[General] FW: Nobelist dialogue

[Andrew Meulenberg]

Dear Viv,

I'm fighting the battle on 2 fronts. My other field is cold fusion. There
is the entrenched academia, researchers, and petroleum industry.

Andrew

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Vivian Robinson <viv at etpsemra.com.au>
wrote:

> Dear Richard (and others)
>
> It may help you to understand the Nobel Laureates etc, if you visit the
> website below. It is President Eisenhower's valedictory address to the
> nation as he was leaving the White House. Of particular note is his
> comments about scientific research ≈ 9 min 30 to 11 min.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWiIYW_fBfY
>
> His telling statement was:
>
> “Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we
> should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public
> policy could itself become the captive of a scientific/technological
> elite.”
>
> Standard model physicists have captured public policy on fundamental
> science. They will not tolerate alternate ideas as they try to convince the
> public that what astronomers see represents only 4% of what has to be in
> the universe for their theories to explain them. In other words their
> theory of the observed universe differs by 24 times the mass of the
> observed universe. That doesn't mention the 10**60 + other universes and
> multiple undetected spatial dimensions they also need to explain what
> experimentalists measure. Need I go on.
>
> They have the ear of government to get all the funds. They point to the
> great technological advances, claiming credit for what they explained after
> experimentalists detected the property, as justification for their
> continued work. No one should be surprised that is the reaction from any
> member of that elite. They have no desire to lose their status or have
> their ideas questioned.
>
> There is a huge amount of resistance among the general public and
> scientific community against the standard models. Chandra, it is good to
> see that you are prepared to consider alternative viewpoints. It helps
> significantly to get an audience among fellow scientists.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Viv Robinson
>
> On 19/02/2015, at 10:53 AM, "chandra" <chandra at phys.uconn.edu> wrote:
>
> general at natureoflightandparticles.org
>
> Dear David SJ., and All: Let us converge on sending all of our responses
> through the “general” web based email, using the above email address. I am
> now deliberately forwarding my response to David SJ’s email through the
> “general” email. Once we all start responding to the “general” email, we
> will have all the correspondence archived on the web:
> natureoflightandparticles.org <general at natureoflightandparticles.org>.
>      Everybody with their personalized pass word have access to the
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> Ambroselli: ambroselli at phys.uconn.edu
> Chandra.
>
> Pertaining to this particular subject matter:
> Dear David SJ., and Richard G.: Let us not feel frustrated so easily.
> Sometimes it takes a whole century to turn around a century old
> mis-conception! But we have to keep on working. We have this group. We have
> a bigger group running the conference for 12 years. We will be holding the 6
> th biennial conference this August. We do have the momentum of a group
> who are open to diverse ideas!
>
> Chandra.
>
> *From:* David Saint John [mailto:etherdais at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:04 PM
> *To:* Richard Gauthier
> *Cc:* John Duffield; Adam K; John Williamson; chandra; A. F. Kracklauer;
> Stephen Leary; Ralph Penland; wfhagen at gmail.com; Hans De Raedt; Mark,
> Martin van der; Timothy Drysdale; CSc.; Jonathan Weaver; Rachel; Robert
> Hadfield; robert hudgins; Vivian Robinson; ninasobieraj;
> ambroselli at phys.uconn.edu; 'doc. Ing. Radomil Matoušek; Mayank Drolia;
> Andrew Meulenberg; Fiona van der Burgt; Michael Wright; Nick Green
> *Subject:* Re: Nobelist dialogue
>
> Dear Richard (and others),
>
> Ugh.  I don't quite understand when the transition happened, but at some
> point statistical behavior may have became as important to particle
> identity as mass or charge or polarization -- fermions and bosons became
> nouns rather than verbs.  I suspect this has gotten under a few peoples
> skin, perhaps helping to create parastatistics, anyons, and related ideas.
>
> He might be right about your inability to communicate with each other as
> his initial assertion appears to be an unfortunate consequence of the
> ossification of concepts in physics.  I concur that a photon obeys BE
> statistics under observed conditions, and that electrons obey FD statistics
> (perhaps unless they form cooper pairs, in which case things seem a bit
> fuzzy), but these statistical behaviors are contextualized consequences of
> many interacting species and wouldn't be the first topic one addresses if
> you're trying to discuss an underlying mechanism.  Dismissal is an
> unfortunate regularity with these subjects, but you're not alone.
>
> I think the metaphor of the cathedral and the bazaar (
> http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/) applies remarkably
> well to physics, and the response of 'a tower of the cathedral' to any
> ideas (even from other cathedral towers) is generally negative - especially
> if there's any trace of a thought that threatens part of their foundation.
> With enough effort and attention, the bazaar will eventually break through.
>
> Best,
> -David
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Richard Gauthier <richgauthier at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> John and all,
>
> A short dialogue follows that I just concluded with a physics Nobel
> laureate. Comments are welcome.
>
> Hello Professor,
>    A Ph.D. student at IQC suggested that I might meet you this summer at
> IQC to discuss a rather out-of-the-box idea -- that the electron is a
> charged photon having the de Broglie wavelength. I have an article on this
> topic which I will be presenting at the April APS meeting in Baltimore and
> at the SPIE photonics conference in San Diego in July at a session on “What
> is the photon”. Currently the article is on academia.edu at
> https://www.academia.edu/10527918/The_Electron_is_a_Charged_Photon_with_the_de_Broglie_Wavelength and
> I have attached the article for your convenience.
>   Is this a topic that you would be interested in discussing?
>
> Dear Mr.Gauthier,
>    If your theory can explain clearly (as shown rather unambiguously by
> experiment) why the electron is  a fermion and the photon a boson, I think
> a discussion might be worth while, otherwise not. With best wishes,
>
>
> Hello Professor,
>     The short answer in my charged photon hypothesis is that a charged
> photon (with charge + or - e) is a fermion while an uncharged photon is a
> boson. So there is zero contradiction with unambiguous experiments about
> the electron (my hypothesized charged photon, with charge -e for an
> electron and +e for a positron)  being a fermion and the usual uncharged
> photon being a boson. The next level answer is that the idea that an
> electron could be a charged photon was apparently missed by de Broglie and
> others when de Broglie formulated E=mc^2=hf for a resting electron and E=
> gamma mc^2 = hf for a moving electron. This is the energy equation for a
> photon that has a wavelength lambda = h/(gamma m c), and that may be
> helically circulating as mathematically suggested by Hestene’s and Rivas’
> analysis of the Dirac equation (referenced in my article) which predicts a
> light-speed helical motion of the electron’s charge, and is supported by
> Dirac’s own claim that the electron moves at light-speed but only
> sub-luminal speed is detected for it. It’s a short step to the de Broglie
> wavelength h/(gamma mv) for the longitudinal wavelength of the light-speed
> helical charged photon model of the electron, and the proposal that quantum
> wave functions for the electron are generated by this model.
>
> Dear Mr.Gauthier,
>     I’m afraid that our ideas about what constitutes a persuasive argument
> in physics seem to be so different that I doubt whether a meeting would be
> useful.Sorry,
>
>
>
>
>
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