[General] Electron

Sun May 10 08:12:38 PDT 2015

Dear Chip,

Would you not expect that high-field regions would cause a distortion of
space (because of higher energy density) and therefore an increase in
effective path length (or increase in refractive index as viewed in
3-space). If both waves are phase coincident, then both are affected
(bosonic attraction?). There should be refraction, diffraction
(reflection), and displacement (where the refraction is stepwise - like
sequential panes of glass). However, if they are not in phase, the effect
will be negligible. When 180 degrees out of phase, the maximum energy
density goes down & there is no attraction (is there any fermionic
repulsion?)

Andrew
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On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Chip Akins <chipakins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi John D
>
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> There is some computational difficulty in modeling the waves as you have
> requested, but I have not given up.  We can do this but it is taking more
> time than I had imagined.
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> I am able to model a confined wave and provide a surface plot.
>
> And then I am able to rotate a wave to be from a different direction
> (using quaternion rotation), and add it to the surface plot.
>
>
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> The problem is that the second wave is not traveling through disturbed
> space yet in my model, but rather is like the first, traveling through
> undisturbed space.  When space is disturbed, the second wave must travel
> farther than the first due to the disturbances, which may cause the effects
> you have mentioned.  Now I have to realistically quantify the amount of
> displacement in space caused by the first wave in order to recalculate the
> second wave with accurate displacement effects.
>
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> This initial simulation is assuming a first wave which is already present
> and a second wave then impinging upon the first. Later we can get into
> simultaneous wave interaction.
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> A surface plot has an x and y location and a magnitude in this model.  I
> now need to recalculate the magnitude values based on the propagation of
> the second wave over the first, and sum the magnitudes which occur as this
> result.  This grid is 720 X 720 in x and y.  The first wave velocity is c
> through flat space (so c in the x, y plane), the second wave velocity will
> be c through the disturbances caused by the first wave (so c in the x, y,
> plane plus the disturbance in the z direction).
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> Any clever insights or suggestions are welcome.
>
>
>
> Chip
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>
> *From:* General [mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=
> gmail.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] *On Behalf Of *John
> Duffield
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:36 PM
>
> *To:* 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [General] Electron
>
>
>
> Chip:
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> Yes, I do envisage a 3D model. I was thinking a 2D model would be simple
> place to start, and didn't want to be too demanding.
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> I wasn't proposing that the two waves *diffract* one another, but instead
> *displace* one another. Light is displacement current, see Taming light
> at the nanoscale
> <http://mag.digitalpc.co.uk/olive/ode/physicsworld/LandingPage/LandingPage.aspx?href=UEhZU1dvZGUvMjAxMC8wOS8wMQ..&pageno=MzM.&entity=QXIwMzMwMA..&view=ZW50aXR5>.
> Think of a big oceanic swell wave, then mentally freeze it. Then send an
> ordinary ocean wave towards it. The latter rides up the swell wave. In
> doing this, it changes direction. It is displaced. Once it gets to the top
> it goes  down the other side and continues on its way as if nothing
> happened, so you might think the two waves didn't interact. But they did.
> One wave changed the direction of the other. Do this with two 511keV
> electromagnetic waves and each is displaced into itself, and then displaces
> its own path into a closed path, forever. In terms of an experiment see gamma-gamma
> pair production <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics> and the
> Breit-Wheeler <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breit%E2%80%93Wheeler_process>
> process, which was done indirectly at SLAC in 1997. There is no magic to
> this, the only tool in the box is light, and angular momentum is conserved.
>
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>
> For background reading check out Maxwell and displacement current
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_current#History_and_interpretation>
> wherein "light consist of transverse undulations", along with Percy
> Hammond
> <http://www.compumag.org/jsite/images/stories/newsletter/ICS-99-06-2-Hammond.pdf>
> who said "we conclude that the field describes the curvature that
> characterizes the electromagnetic interaction". People think a gravity is
> all about curved space, but it isn't, it's all about  inhomogeneous space.
> So what's curved space all about? Electromagnetism! Check out electromagnetic
> geometry <https://www.google.co.uk/#q=electromagnetic+geometry&spell=1>.
> In an electromagnetic wave the curvature goes one way *then* the other,
> like my grid picture of potential. But when the wave goes round a tight
> twisted double loop, you end up with an all-round curvature, one way *or*
> the other. It's chiral, in 3D, but we can come on to that.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> John D
>
>
>
> *From:* General [
> mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
> <general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Chip Akins
> *Sent:* 30 April 2015 14:18
> *To:* 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [General] Electron
>
>
>
> Hi John D
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>
> Do you envision a 3D model which is a 3D grid of space with your
> prescribed wave propagating through the 3D mesh? Or are you suggesting a 2D
> wave representation?
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> Are you proposing that two EM waves interact to diffract each other?  Has
> this ever been seen in experiment?
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> I suspect that a strong source of angular momentum *must also be present*
> in order to catalyze electron-positron pair production (like when gamma
> rays strike an atomic nucleus).  So I think this means the waves will
> otherwise just pass through each other and *the conditions for
> confinement will not exist, absent this additional source of angular
> momentum*.
>
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>
> Chip
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> *From:* General [
> mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
> <general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *John Duffield
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:12 AM
> *To:* 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [General] Electron
>
>
>
> Martin:
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>
>
> No probs re mass and gravity. It's good to talk. And if there was never
> any confusion, and we all agreed about everything, whatever would we talk
> about?
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> David:
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> I don't have any issues with the horn torus or spindle-sphere torus. In a
> previous email I've referred to "inflating" the ring torus through these
> stages. See Adrian Rossiter's  antiprism
> <http://www.antiprism.com/album/860_tori/index.html> for torus
> animations. See Martin's picture below? Look at the cut end, it's a bit
> like a slice of onion. Mentally add more onion rings around those that are
> already there, and the torus gets more and more spherical.
>
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> [image: cid:image001.jpg at 01D08318.6E155550]
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> There is no charge at the centre. The charge is the twist, the winding,
> the knottedness, the vorticity. Undo it with the opposite twist, and
> instead of two field variations going round at c looking like standing
> fieldall, you've got two field variations moving linearly at c.
>
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> Chip:
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> Is there any chance you could animate a wave in space, like this?
>
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> [image: cid:image002.gif at 01D08318.6E155550]
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> It's a bit like a wave in a rubber mat, or a seismic wave. Only this is a
> wave of electromagnetic four-potential. The spatial derivative of this
> gives the sinusoidal electric waveform, and the time-derivative gives the
> sinusoidal magnetic waveform. See the horizontal lines? Where the tilt is
> steepest the electric sine wave is highest. Where the tilting is fastest is
> where the magnetic sine wave is highest. Look at electromagnetic radiation
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation> on Wiki. Read
> the Derivation From Electromagnetic Theory
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation#Derivation_from_electromagnetic_theory> section,
> and you'll see this: *"the curl operator on one side of these equations
> results in first-order spatial derivatives of the wave solution, while the
> time-derivative on the other side of the equations, which gives the other
> field, is first order in time"*.  After that I'd be very interested in an
> animation where two such waves pass each other and displace each other's
> path, so much so that each wave ends up moving through itself.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> John D
>
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