[General] Electron Torus

Thu May 21 08:11:27 PDT 2015

Hi Richard

Yes, but the detail is difficult to see in this view:

Chip

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Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [General] Electron Torus

Hi Chip,

  Thanks! Can you show the view from perpendicular to the direction of motion of the electron also?

    Richard

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:06 AM, Chip Akins <chipakins at gmail.com <mailto:chipakins at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Richard

So it is a bit more difficult to visualize exactly what is going on from the graphics with velocity.

We increase the velocity is in steps from zero through 0.9988c.

>From the Z axis the illustration looks like:

Showing the reduced radius with velocity.

But when we look at the model slightly off axis (Z axis) we see this:

So this is a set of nested electron models with different velocities, each starting from the same point (upper right of the illustration). These are drawn from an external observers frame and are not shown in the electron’s reference frame. 

In the electron’s reference frame we would see closure to the trajectory, but in this reference frame, the trajectory (since it is moving) is not closed.

Chip

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Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 6:29 AM

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Subject: Re: [General] Electron Torus

Chip,

   Please correct a couple of typos in my last email. The TEQ (transluminal energy quantum) moves on the surface of a torus, not a helix. Also the first helical radius mentioned should have been Ro sqrt(2) = 1.414 Ro , not Ro sqrt(2)/2 = 1.414 Ro since sort(2)/2 = 0.707 not 1.414 .  Thanks.

    Richard

On May 20, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Richard Gauthier <richgauthier at gmail.com <mailto:richgauthier at gmail.com> > wrote:

Chip,

     Nice graphics!

    Shouldn’t the electric field lines of an electron at some distance from the electron model be pointing inward linearly towards the electron from infinity on all sides, since the electron's electric field (due to its electric charge) falls off as 1/r^2 . I don’t understand why the electric field lines appear closed in your diagrams.

    In my original resting electron model the TEQ was a circulating negative electric charge which circulated on the surface of a helix. I called the circulating TEQ a photon-like object since it was similar to my TEQ model of a photon.  I was assuming at that time that the photon in my resting electron model had spin 1, even though I had adjusted the helical radius so that the circulating TEQ generated the magnetic moment of the electron of 1 Bohr magneton, requiring a helical radius for the TEQ of Ro sqrt(2)/2 = 1.414 Ro which created the spindle torus in my model . So this was actually neither a spin 1 photon (whose radius for a resting electron would have been 2Ro, or a spin 1/2 photon, whose radius for a resting electron would be Ro, as in the 3D models that you and I generated from the moving electron equations I proposed. Since I currently prefer the model of an electron composed of a spin 1/2 circulating photon, this doesn’t generate the electron’s magnetic moment of 1 Bohr magneton. But it generates a magnetic moment more than 1/2 Bohr magneton which would be produced by a charge circulating at light speed in a simple double loop of radius Ro. I haven’t done the calculation for the magnetic moment generated by my spin 1/2 photon model of the electron, but I suspect that it would be 0.707 Bohr magneton (just a guess at this point). The calculation of this magnetic moment from the TEQ trajectory equations for a charged TEQ in the spin 1/2 photon model is relatively straightforward though.

    By the way, have you looked at the side view of the actual TEQ trajectory at various values of v/c of the electron in the spin 1/2 photon moving-electron model that I proposed (and that you programmed and graphed in 3D to show how the model size changes as 1/gamma at various values of v/c)? The side view of the TEQ trajectory for a moving electron contains some surprises, at least for me. I thought that at high values of v/c (say 0.99 or 0.999) the TEQ would just appear from the side view to rotate helically around its reducing and increasingly more linear helical trajectory  (whose trajectory reduces as 1/(gamma^2), with the TEQ’s helical radius reducing as 1/gamma. But that’s apparently not what happens. Could you check this with your 3D program? 

     Richard

On May 19, 2015, at 8:45 AM, Chip Akins <chipakins at gmail.com <mailto:chipakins at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Richard

If your spin 1 photon model of the electron is similar to John W and Martin’s model in that the field lines always orient with the negative end outwards (providing for charge) the estimated field distribution is similar to this illustration. (Equatorial View)

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(Top View from Z axis)

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(45 degree elevation view)

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Red lines represent negative ends of field lines, Blue lines represent positive, black is the transport radius, faint green line is one circulation at the transport radius.

Photon field amplitude is shown as a cosine function of wavelength/2.

Chip

From: General [mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] On Behalf Of Richard Gauthier
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 10:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [General] Electron Torus

Chip,

   Perfect! It would also be good to have the pair of tori seen an an angle from above their ‘equator’ to get a more 3-D quality.

      Richard

On May 5, 2015, at 6:07 AM, Chip Akins < <mailto:chipakins at gmail.com> chipakins at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Richard

How do these look?

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Chip

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Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 1:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [General] Electron Torus

Hi Chip,

  The radius of the circle in the horn torus (spin 1/2 photon model) should visually be (since it is actually) 1/2 of the radius of the circle in the spindle torus (spin 1 photon model) -- the spin 1/2 photon model is smaller than the spin 1 photon model. Thanks! And could you perhaps show the energy quantum trajectory in a different color that the torus background so the trajectory stands out better?

    Richard

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Chip Akins < <mailto:chipakins at gmail.com> chipakins at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Richard

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Chip

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Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 12:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [General] Electron Torus

Hi Chip,

   Thanks. And finally, the vertical ovals of the tori should be circles because the circulating quantum has the same radius in the vertical and horizontal directions.

        Richard

On May 4, 2015, at 9:32 AM, Chip Akins < <mailto:chipakins at gmail.com> chipakins at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Richard

Thank you.

Here you go:

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Chip

From: General [ <mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] On Behalf Of Richard Gauthier
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 10:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [General] Electron Torus

Hi Chip,

  Both tori should be symmetrical above and below the z-axis and center on z=0.

      Richard

On May 4, 2015, at 8:16 AM, Chip Akins < <mailto:chipakins at gmail.com> chipakins at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Richard

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Viewed from the Z axis:

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And from the equatorial plane:

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Chip

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Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 11:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [General] position

Chip and all,

   Here are some equations that relate to the modeling of a circulating photon as an electron. The second and third set include my own model of the photon. The first set doesn’t require a particular model for the photon, except as mentioned below. The first model is the one that generates the de Broglie wavelength as explained in my article mentioned below.

1. Here is the set of parametric equations for the helical trajectory of double-looping photon that models a free electron, and  whose circular radius for a resting electron is Ro=hbar/2mc. The speed of the photon along this trajectory is always c. The longitudinal or z-component of the photon’s speed is the electron’s velocity v along the z-axis. The frequency of the photon around the helical axis is proportional to the circulating photon/electron's energy E=gamma mc^2. The distance of the photon’s helical trajectory from the z-axis for an electron whose speed is v, is proportional to 1/gamma^2. This equation is in my article “The electron is a charged photon with the de Broglie wavelength”. This equation does not include a particular model of the photon, but assumes that the photon follows the relations c=f lambda, E=hf and p=h/lambda. Both helicities of the helical trajectory are given.

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