[General] SU(2) equation set

[Chip Akins]

Hi Al

 

This idea of modeling the electron from a photon when we know so little about light and whether photons are real, or just illusions caused by the quantization of matter, has troubled me too.  

 

When we model the electron in this manner, it winds up (eventually) defining a thing called a photon.  This seems to always happen because the quantization we observe in the energy of the electron “spills over” into our understanding of what the nature of propagating energy (light) must be. Spin angular momentum, it seems, MUST also be due to a form of confinement. The same set of balanced forces which cause spin angular momentum would have to also cause a form of quantization and “localization”.  And when we create equations, much as John W has done, to describe a condition in which this spin angular momentum is created for the electron, it means that the rules we suggest to describe the observed properties of the electron also have an impact on the way light behaves.

 

For some time I had been of the opinion that it is possible that light is simply continuous radiation.  In some ways I would be delighted if we found that is the case.  However it now seems to me that there simply has to be a form of quantization in order for light to display any spin angular momentum.  So in my personal view I am back to considering the “photon” to actually be a quantized energy form (no matter how distasteful that is to me).

 

Thoughts?

 

Chip

 

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Hi John:

 

Some mothers are more erudite than others.  But, erudite mothers matter too!

 

Much of what I see in your papers tickles memories of things I once knew rather well regarding differential manifolds, diffential forms, Clifford algebras, etc.  dF=0, for example, written as d²A=0 says that A is an exact form, which gives it lots of nice propeties---and so on and so forth.  This is all very nice, but your terminology appears to me to be distinct from that in math/phys lit on the matter. 

 

Do you have a paper somewhere that makes the comparison?  Can you start your story in the histrocially conventional notation and then carefully introduce your specaializations so that the known maths consequences of what you'r about can just be looked up rather than rediscovered?  

 

Likewise, there are giant software packages for Clifford algebra applications in existence.  While not at all easy to jump in and use them, it is still much easier than redoing the whole thing.

 

BTW, as one who holds that photons do not exist (just photo electrons) I have grave indigestion over the idea of modeling the electron on the photon!  Seems it ought be the other way around; there is credible empirical evidence for the existence of electrons, where as there is none for photons (distinguished from photo electons!).

 

ciao, Al

  

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Hello everyone,

 

Yes Al – I could not agree more. We can do better though, as I have said before. I always say to others that, if one truly understands anything, one should be able to explain it at any level. Mums are important!

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