[General] Strong Force Modeling

Mon Oct 19 12:54:36 PDT 2015

Martin:

I think there may be a “cheat” that breaches conservation of charge. One way
is to melt a hadron in a QGP, see this article
<http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/2009/sep/01/of-gluons-atoms-and-s
trings> . Another way is to drop it into a black hole, as per Freidwardt
Winterberg’s firewall.  

I envisage an electron would be reduced to photons and neutrinos flying away
in different orthogonal directions. The positron would be similarly reduced,
but the pieces would fly away in the opposite directions.

Regards

John D

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Hi David, it is interesting to think in such a direction, but I would say:
No.

However, an example would convince me quite easily.

Why? It is all about symmetry to begin with. In an anihilation process
everything comes together with its opposite, even the violations!

I appreciate the challenge...

Very best, Martin

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Martin

CP violations might be an exception.

Best

David

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Subject: Re: [General] Strong Force Modeling

Dear David,

First: Mass cannot be concerted to energy, never under any circumstances! 

Rather mass IS energy, see "light is heavy" for explanation.

Second: Whenever matter is converted to radiation (this what you meat,
right), charge is (and must be) conserved, always. An electron and positron
covert to photons, for example, and there is no net charge at any time.

Cheers, Martin

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Albrecht,

While the current research focus is on getting photonic-based electron
theory correct, an obvious goal would be to extend a building-block theory
to all elementary particles, both simple (electron) and complex (proton,
neutron, meson, etc)

To that end, one needs to address and parse some seemingly "what is it?"
moments. Is it a particle or a wave? Is it mass or energy? Is it moving or
not? Is there a reference frame dependency?

As to relativistic contraction, the general physics assumption is that
charge is invariant especially in flat space. So, the charge to mass ratio
for various particles is rather fixed. This leads me to a question everyone
has been walking around...

If mass = E/c^2, and we convert mass completely to energy - say a photon,
then where did all the charge go?

D

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David,

you have given here some criteria or properties which have to be fulfilled
by a particle model. I shall try to answer this by listing some points which
make up my model following your topics.

The particle model which I propose is not restricted to the electron but is
assumed to be valid for all leptons and as well for all quarks.

To your challenges:

In this model a charge is an elementary entity, a kind of an "atom" in the
real sense which causes a force onto a similar object. There a two kinds of
charges in the model: the electric one and the strong one. The weak one is
in fact the strong one but with a reduced coupling constant, caused by a
different shape of the configurations having these charges. - Maybe that in
the future development of particle physics we will find a more fundamental
cause of charges. At present I do not see any, and in the present situation
it seems not to be an urgent question.

The case of 8 gluons: We know that elementary particles react with certain
others, but not with all. Particle physicists have made an ad-hoc assumption
to "explain", or better to order this situation by assigning further quantum
numbers to elementary particles, like isospin, strangeness, lepton number,
quark number. The colour of gluons seems to be a similar category. These are
in my case further properties of the "basic" particles, which are not
described by the model as they do not influence the properties of the
particles which I presently care about, like the inertial mass and momentum,
which is explained by this model, as well as the conservation of energy,
which is also explained (not only used!) by this model.

Leptoquarks have been an ad-hoc assumption to explain interactions between
leptons and quarks. This assumption was not successful and is in fact not
needed if the assumption of my model, that leptons are also subject to the
strong force, is accepted. 

>From this model follows gravitation as I have explained earlier. The
exchange particles interact with light-like particles (photons and "basic"
particles) and cause them to reduce their speed below c. From this all
aspects of gravitation can be quantitatively deduced, Newton' gravity as
well the results of Einstein's GRT.

Inertia is the direct consequence of this model. An elementary particle is,
according to this model, extended, and any extended object has inevitably an
inertial behaviour. I have shown (and show it in my web site) that with
reference to this mechanism the mass of the electron can be determined with
an accuracy of almost 1 : 1 million. 

I am using exchange particles as mediators for the forces in a particle,
which are the electric force and the strong force. The main advantage for
the use in my model is that they provide a good physical explanation for the
relativistic contraction.

Best regards
Albrecht

Am 16.10.2015 um 17:41 schrieb davidmathes8 at yahoo.com
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Albrecht

If the electron modeling is to succeed and gain wide acceptance, then the
modeling needs to become a foundation that can be built on to develop other
Elementary Particles. While photonic electron theories may be that
foundation, there are three challenges. First, explaining charge and the
source of charge. Second, modeling the eight gluons - one would usually be
enough, but eight...? Third, modeling the transitory nature of quarks and
leptoquarks.

Modeling the electron to satisfy the leptoquark theory may involve
force-bound states. If so, then in order for a lepton-quark interaction,
given the E&M nature of the electron or even electroweak, no matter how
transiently a leptoquark may require an electron with the addition of the
strong nuclear force. Modeling a fully loaded electron with E&M, weak and
strong forces may prove challenging. However, this path may lead towards
explaining gravitation and inertia.

For the experts in electron modeling, perhaps the key to unlocking what's
inside elementary is gluons. Glueballs (gluonium) may be worth the effort of
modeling. 

David

Article

Meson f0(1710) could be so-called
<http://www.gizmag.com/meson-f01710-glueball-particle/39866/?-particle-made-
purely-of-nuclear-force/> “glueball” particle made purely of nuclear force

"Elementary particles come in two kinds: those that carry force (
<http://www.gizmag.com/tag/boson/> bosons), such as photons, and those that
make up matter ( <http://www.gizmag.com/tag/fermions/> fermions), such as
electrons. In this context, gluons may be viewed as more complex forms of
the photon. However, as photons are the force carriers for electromagnetism,
gluons exhibit a similar role for the strong nuclear force. The major
difference between the two, however, is that gluons are able to be
influenced by their own forces, whereas photons are not. As a result,
photons cannot exist in force-bound states, though gluons, which are
attracted by force to each other, make a particle of pure (strong) nuclear
force possible."

Arxiv 

[1504.05815] Nonchiral enhancement of scalar glueball decay in the
Witten-Sakai-Sugimoto model <http://arxiv.org/abs/1504.05815> 

Arxiv

[1501.07906] Glueball Decay Rates in the Witten-Sakai-Sugimoto Model
<http://arxiv.org/abs/1501.07906> 

Glueball - Wiki <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glueball> 

Leptoquark - Wiki <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptoquark> 

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