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Albrecht Giese
genmail at a-giese.de
Mon Jan 25 08:33:55 PST 2016
Dear Richard,
you know that I object to your derivation of inertial mass. You deduce
it from momentum. That is mathematically possible by using the known
relations. But it is not logical in so far as momentum depends on
inertia. In a world without inertia there would be no momentum.
So we have to explain first the mechanism of inertia itself, then we can
derive the momentum and the inertial mass.
Best
Albrecht
Am 24.01.2016 um 20:42 schrieb Richard Gauthier:
> Hello Vladimir and Chandra and all,
>
> Yes, I definitely support the idea of the ether as material space,
> and that all physical particles are derived from this ether. This
> ether can also be called a plenum or Cosmic Tension Field.
>
> I don’t however think that it is necessary to explain the inertial
> mass of particles in relation to a "coefficient of inertia” or "the
> amount of momentum the ether resists." I have shown
> (https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia )
> by a very simple derivation that the inertial mass m of an electron
> may be derived from the momentum of the circling photon in a
> circulating-photon model of the electron, whose circling photon has
> momentum mc where m = Eo/c^2 = hf/c^2 , where Eo is the rest energy
> 0.511 MeV of the electron and f is the frequency of the circulating
> photon in the resting electron. Secondly, in a similar way I derived a
> linearly moving photon's inertial mass to be M-inertial = hf/c^2 ,
> where f is the photon’s frequency, even though a photon has zero rest
> mass. Thirdly, I derived the inertial mass of a relativistic electron,
> whose momentum is p=gamma mv, to be M-inertial = gamma m , even
> though the moving electron's rest mass is m.
>
> I present these derivations below, taken from the academia.edu
> <http://academia.edu> session on my electron inertia article at
> https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link :
>
> "One reason people don’t think that a photon has any inertial mass
> (because it has no rest mass) is that how do you get a photon to
> change its momentum (i.e. accelerate) in order to measure its inertial
> mass. It can’t go faster or slower than c in a vacuum, so it can’t
> accelerate in a linear direction, and in normal physics a photon
> doesn’t follow a curved path (except with gravity), which would make
> it possible to measure its centripetal acceleration c^2/R . But as I
> showed in my short electron inertia article at
> https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia
> <https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Elect%0Arons_Inertia>
> , the electron model in a resting electron has the photon going in a
> circle, with momentum mc and speed c, and the electron's inertial mass
> is then calculated to be M-inertial =(dp/dt)/Acentrifugal
> =wmc/(c^2/r)= m which is the inertial mass of the electron. But this
> calculation of the circling charged photon's inertial mass is
> independent of the radius of the charged photon’s circular orbit. Let
> that circular radius go towards infinity and you get a photon
> traveling in essentially a straight line, still having its inertial
> mass M =hf/c^2 (where the photon frequency f decreases as the radius
> of the circle increases) . So according to this logic, a linearly
> moving photon DOES have inertial mass M-inertial =hf/c^2 even though a
> photon has zero rest mass. And when a relativistic electron with
> momentum p=gamma mv travels in a circle with speed v, the inertial
> mass calculation above gives M-in ertial = gamma m for a circling
> relativistic electron, and not just m the electron’s rest mass .
> Extending the radius here towards infinity also gives a linearly
> moving electron an inertial mass M = gamma m and not just the
> electron's rest mass m."
> As far as I know these are all original derivations of the
> inertial mass of a resting electron, a photon and a relativistic
> electron based on a circulating photon model of an electron. I would
> be pleased to be shown otherwise.
> Richard
>
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Roychoudhuri, Chandra
>> <chandra.roychoudhuri at uconn.edu
>> <mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri at uconn.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Vlad, that is also my viewpoint.
>> I do not remember whether I have attached this paper while
>> communicating with you earlier. I call the “plenum” Cosmic Tension
>> Field (CTF), to be descriptive in its essential properties.
>> Chandra.
>> *From:*General
>> [mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org]*On
>> Behalf Of*Vladimir Tamari
>> *Sent:*Saturday, January 23, 2016 7:00 PM
>> *To:*Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion
>> *Subject:*Re: [General] (no subject)
>> Hi Richard
>> I barge into your discussion without knowing your views on a "plenum
>> field" but if it is an ether I definitely think there is one. A
>> "coefficent of inertia" might be defined as the amount of momentum
>> the ether resists. In a charged or gravitational field this
>> coefficent would increase...I think of this in terms of my Beautiful
>> Universe ether of dielectric nodes, except this may give the wrong
>> idea it is something matter wades in.. not so. Matter and ether are
>> made if the selfsame nodes of energy!
>> Cheers
>> Vladimir
>>
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>>
>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Richard Gauthier
>> <richgauthier at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Hodge,
>> I don’t remember asking that. But if I did, I’m glad the
>> question was helpful.
>> I’m thinking about inertia these days. Do you or others have
>> any insights about its nature?
>> Richard
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Hodge John <jchodge at frontier.com
>> <mailto:jchodge at frontier.com>> wrote:
>> Richard Gauthier:
>> You asked if the galaxy redshift, Pioneer anomaly,
>> Pound--Rebka experiment model had a velocity term. I looked
>> at redshift data for 1 galaxy and found no indication of a
>> velocity term.
>> I had not noticed this in the equations. Your suggestion that
>> the plenum field can look like the Higgs field seems valid.
>> That is, the acceleration of the plenum field looks like it
>> adds energy (mass) is a Higgs Field characteristic. Thus, the
>> plenum is closer to the idea of a quantum field and Higgs
>> field (weak force).
>> Thanks for the insight.
>> Hodge
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