[General] Role of observer, a deeper path to introspection

[Viv Robinson]

Hi Chip,

I have attached a .pdf copy for you. 

Regarding the “spin” of plane polarized photons. Do you have a reference to plane polarized photons having a spin? My investigations suggest that all photons emitted from electrons changing “orbitals” are circularly polarized. These are the X-rays, visible and IR. Photons emitted from antennae, radio waves etc, are plane polarized. 

Experiments done on photon spins are the former variety. I have not seen references to using photons that have passed through plane polarizing filters for such measurements. It is something that can be tested experimentally. There may be some interpretation issues associated with such measurement that make it not such a straight forward experiment. 

Cheers,

Vivian Robinson

On 10 August 2017 at 12:34:25 AM, Chip Akins (chipakins at gmail.com) wrote:

Hi Vivian

It was my understanding, from experimental evidence, that even plane polarized light displays the property of spin angular momentum. 

This has been, it seems, one of the big twists which makes it a bit more difficult to sort out the “photon” puzzle.

 Have you studied this phenomenon? Do you attribute this apparent spin to be caused by the spin of the absorber? I have noticed that the math seems to indicate otherwise.

Chip

 

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Subject: Re: [General] Role of observer, a deeper path to introspection

 

Dear photon fans

 

As I see the discussions going back and forth, they all have a similar trend. Opinions are expressed and bounced between participants. I have tried to suggest the best or scientific method is to state the physics behind the theory or effect to be conveyed. Then use mathematics to determine the magnitude of that effect. If there is a match between the calculated and observed effects, there is some support for the theory proposed. 

 

To this end I append a link to an earlier presentation of my idea of what constitutes photons. It is an oscillation of electric and magnetic fields in the electric permittivity and magnetic permeability of free space respectively. Their oscillatory nature gives them wave properties. Their limited extent gives them particle properties. 

 

IMHO their lateral extent allows diffraction and single photon interference. I suggest but haven’t shown that entangled photons would have the same phase and could allow dual and even multiple photon interference. I make other suggestions it it as well. This includes the origins of their mass and spin as angular momentum. Circularly polarized photons will have angular momentum (spin) of hbar. Linearly polarized photons will not. Other spins are possible.

 

This was forwarded for discussion. I am repeating it again to suggest that if you want to “get your message or opinion across to others", use that approach. That will give everyone an opportunity to consider the merits or otherwise of your presentation. 

 

If anyone feels my presentation cannot explain an observed photon property I would he happy to consider the observation and determine if it can, or there is a variation that is needed to explain the observation. Or indeed whether it is necessary to start over again.

 

Cheers,

 

Vivian Robinson

 
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