[General] light and particles group

Albrecht genmail at a-giese.de
Sun Jan 22 18:02:05 PST 2017


Dear John Macken,

you have touched a question here which was discussed earlier but still 
causes confusion; so I want to address it again as it has a fundamental 
aspect. You cite: "Maxwell connected the speed of light to the 
properties of space (epsilon and mu)".    It is the understanding that 
the speed of light is determined by the equation

c = sqrt(1/(mu_0 *epsilon_0 ))

This was the understanding of Maxwell based on his assumption that 
electrical and magnetic phenomena are symmetric to each other. This 
understanding was replaced by Special Relativity; when SRT was 
introduced it became obvious that magnetism is a relativistic side 
effect of the electrical phenomena. So, it should be better written as

mu_0 = 1/(c^2 *epsilon_0 )

because magnetism is a consequence of the limitation of c, not the other 
way around. The limitation of c is not given by magnetism but has 
another cause.

This is the present state of main stream physics. I refer to the 
following textbooks and sources:

1) A.P. French: "Special Relativity" which has an introduction to magnetism.
2) W.G.V. Rosser "Classical Electromagnetism via Relativity" which has a 
thorough derivation of magnetism
3.) Veritasium http:www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFAOXdXZ5TM  which is a nice 
introduction to magnetism via relativity by use of Youtube

And to say it clearly again: This is not my personal opinion or my 
personal model: It is the position of main stream physics, but often 
overlooked.

One point which makes the error of the original concept of Maxwell 
obvious it the fact that we have electric sources (i.e. electrical 
monopoles) but no magnetic monopoles.

Albrecht

*From:*General 
[mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org]*On 
Behalf Of *John Macken
*Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2017 4:14 PM
*To:* 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'
*Subject:* Re: [General] light and particles group

Chandra,

I have one quick question for you and the group to consider.  You 
mention that Maxwell connected the speed of light to the properties of 
space (epsilon and mu). To explain my question, I first have to give 
some background which is accomplished by quoting a short section of the 
previously attached paper.

“Gravitational waves (GWs) propagate in the medium of spacetime. They 
are transverse quadrupole waves which slightly distort the “fabric of 
space”.  For example, a GW propagating in the “Z” direction would cause 
a sphere made from baryonic matter such as metal to become an 
oscillating ellipsoid.  When the sphere expands in the X direction it 
contracts in the Y direction and vice versa. The GW produces: 1) no 
change in the total volume of the oscillating sphere 2) no change in the 
rate of time, 3) no displacement of the center of mass of the 
oscillating sphere.

Point #3 addresses an important point. If there are two isolated masses 
such as two LIGO interferometer mirrors suspended by wires [17], the 
passage of a GW does not move the mirror’s center of mass.  Instead of 
the mirrors physically moving, the GW changes the properties of 
spacetime producing a redshift and a blue shift on LIGO’s laser beams.  
This difference in wavelength is detected by the interferometer as a 
fringe shift…”

With this introduction, the questions are:

 1. Should a GW effect the permeability and permittivity of free space?
 2. Should the two orthogonal  polarizations of a GW produce opposite
    effects on the permeability and permittivity of free space?
 3. Since epsilon and mu determine the speed of light, should a GW
    produce a different effect on the two orthogonal polarizations of
    light?

If the answer to question #3 is yes, then this suggests that it should 
be possible to detect GWs by monitoring the polarization of a laser 
beam.  It is vastly simpler to detect a slight difference in the 
polarization of a single beam of light than it is to detect the same 
optical shift between two arms of an interferometer.  The interferometer 
encounters vibration noise to a much greater degree than is encountered 
in the polarization of a single laser beam.  Also, multiple laser beams 
could identify the direction of the GW much better than an interferometer.

Perhaps this is off the subject of the discussion group. But it is an 
example of a subject which might be low hanging fruit that could make a 
historic contribution to physics.  In the past I have made the 
suggestion that GWs produce a polarization effect, but this suggestion 
is lacking additional insight and analysis to be taken seriously.  Is 
there anyone in this group with the expertise to contribute to this study?

John M.

*From:*General 
[mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Roychoudhuri, Chandra
*Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2017 11:56 AM
*To:* Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion 
<general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org 
<mailto:general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>>
*Subject:* Re: [General] light and particles group

“Gravitational waves indicate vacuum energy exists”, paper by John Macken

John M.: Thanks for attaching your paper. */The title clearly indicates 
that we really are in basic agreement. The cosmic space has physical 
properties./* I have expressed my views a bit differently, that the 
cosmic space is a */stationary /*Complex Tension Filed (CTF), */holding 
100% of the cosmic energy/* in the attached papers and in my book, 
“Causal Physics”. */If the so-called vacuous cosmic space and the CTF 
were not inseparable, the velocity of light would have been different 
through different regions of the cosmic space/*!

I just do not like to continue to use the word “vacuum” because, in the 
English language, it has acquired a very different meaning (“nothing”) 
for absolute majority of people over many centuries. It is better not to 
confuse common people by asserting new meanings on very old and very 
well established words.

      Further, in your support, the quantitative values of at least two 
physical properties, Epsilon & Mu, of the comic space have already 
presented as quantified properties by Maxwell around 1867 through his 
wave equation. Recall (c-squared)=(1/Epsilon.Mu). These properties of 
the cosmic space were already quantified before Maxwell by the early 
developers of electrostatics and magneto statics.

I assume that you are suggesting us that we need to postulate and 
quantify other physical properties possessed by this cosmic space 
(*/Maxwellian or Faraday Tension Field/*?), so that the “emergent 
dynamic particles” out of this cosmic space would display all the 
properties we have already been measuring for well over a century.

However, I disagree, as of now, that cosmic space is “space-time” four 
dimensional. Because, the “running time” is not a measurable physical 
parameter of any physical entity that we know of in this universe. So, I 
assert that the “running time” cannot be altered by any physical 
process. */Humans have smartly derived the concept of “running time” 
using various kinds of harmonic oscillators and/or periodic motions./* 
We can alter the frequency of a physical oscillator by changing its 
physical environment. Of course, this is my personal perception, */not 
supported by the entire group/*. But, that is precisely the purpose of 
this free and honest discussions so we can learn from each other. As my 
understanding evolves; I might change back my mind and accept space as 
four- or even thirteen-dimensional.

Chandra.

*From:*General 
[mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] 
*On Behalf Of *John Macken
*Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2017 1:37 PM
*To:* 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'; 'Andrew Worsley'
*Cc:* 'M.A.'
*Subject:* Re: [General] light and particles group

Dear Chandra and All,

You have said “We definitely have advanced our */collective 
understanding/* that */space is not empty and the particles are some 
form of emergent properties of this same universal cosmic field./*”  The 
idea that space is not an empty void has not been quantified in any 
model of spacetime proposed by members of  the group.

I have concentrated in defining and quantifying the properties of the 
vacuum and the results are presented in the attached paper. This paper 
analyzes the properties of spacetime encountered by gravitational waves. 
  The conclusion is that spacetime is a sea of Planck length vacuum 
fluctuations that oscillate at Planck frequency. This model can be 
quantified, analyzed and tested.  It is shown that this model gives the 
correct energy for virtual particle formation.  It also gives the 
correct energy density for black holes, the correct zero point energy 
density of the universe (about 10^113 J/m^3 ) and generates the 
Friedmann equation for the critical density of the universe (about 
10^-26 kg/m^3 =  10^-9 J/m^3 ).

The reason for mentioning this to a group interested in the structure of 
electrons,  photons and electric fields is that the quantifiable 
properties of spacetime must be incorporated into any particle or field 
  model.

John  M.

*From:*General 
[mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Roychoudhuri, Chandra
*Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2017 8:45 AM
*To:* Andrew Worsley <worsley333 at gmail.com 
<mailto:worsley333 at gmail.com>>; Light & particles. Web discussion 
<general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org 
<mailto:general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>>
*Cc:* M.A. <ambroselli at phys.uconn.edu <mailto:ambroselli at phys.uconn.edu>>
*Subject:* Re: [General] light and particles group

Dear Andrew Worsely:

     This is a platform for ethical, serious and honest discussions on 
scientific issues that the prevailing mainstream platforms have been 
shunning. We definitely do not want to sow unsubstantiated distrust 
within this group. */This not a political forum where sophisticated 
deceptions are highly prized; which has been intellectualized as 
“post-truth”!/* This is not a “post-truth” forum.

      So, please, */help us/*by getting help from computer professionals 
before repeating any further unsubstantiated accusations.

      If you can definitively identify anybody within our group carrying 
out unethical and destructive activities; obviously, we would bar such 
persons from this group discussion.

Chandra.

Dear All Participants:

Please be vigilant in maintaining the essential ethics behind this 
discussion forum – honestly accept or reject others’ opinions; 
preferably, */build upon them. This is the main objective of this forum 
as this would advance real progress in physics out of the currently 
stagnant culture/*. While we have not come to realize any 
broadly-acceptable major break-through out of this forum; we definitely 
have advanced our */collective understanding/* that */space is not empty 
and the particles are some form of emergent properties of this same 
universal cosmic field./* This, in itself, is significant; because the 
approach of this group to particle physics is significantly different 
from the mainstream. I definitely see a better future for physics out of 
this thinking: Space is a real physical field and observables are 
manifestation (different forms of excited states) of this field.

       Most of you are aware that our SPIE conference series, which was 
continuing since 2005, has been abruptly shut down without serious valid 
justifications (complains from “knowledgeable people” that “bad apples” 
have joined in). We certainly do not want something similar happen to 
this web discussion forum due to internal dissentions and internal 
unethical behavior.

Many thanks for your vigilance and support.

Respectfully,

Chandra.

*From:*Andrew Worsley [mailto:worsley333 at gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2017 4:49 AM
*To:* John Duffield
*Cc:* Roychoudhuri, Chandra; ANDREW WORSLEY
*Subject:* Re: Andrew Worsley, light and particles group

Hi John,

Could be a coincidence, but some damn troll from the discussion group 
(called Vladimir) has screwed up my email which I have had problem free 
for the last 20 years- and my computer is now going suspiciously slow.

Andrew

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 7:44 PM, John Duffield 
<johnduffield at btconnect.com <mailto:johnduffield at btconnect.com>> wrote:

Chandra:

Please can you add Andrew Worsley to the nature of light and particles 
group. I’ve met him personally, and think he has a valuable contribution 
to make.

Apologies if you’ve already done this, but Andrew tells me he’s received 
a /blocked by moderator/ message.

Regards

John Duffield

7 Gleneagles Avenue

Poole

BH14 9LJ

UK

*From:* John Duffield [mailto:johnduffield at btconnect.com 
<mailto:johnduffield at btconnect.com>]
*Sent:* 09 January 2017 08:34
*To:* 'Roychoudhuri, Chandra' <chandra.roychoudhuri at uconn.edu 
<mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri at uconn.edu>>
*Cc:* 'ANDREW WORSLEY' <member at aworsley.fsnet.co.uk 
<mailto:member at aworsley.fsnet.co.uk>>; 'John Williamson' 
<John.Williamson at glasgow.ac.uk <mailto:John.Williamson at glasgow.ac.uk>>; 
'Martin Van Der Mark' <martinvandermark1 at gmail.com 
<mailto:martinvandermark1 at gmail.com>>
*Subject:* Andrew Worsley, light and particles group

Chandra:

Please can you add Andrew Worsley (worsley333 at gmail.com 
<mailto:worsley333 at gmail.com>) to the nature of light and particles 
group. I’ve met him personally, and think he has a valuable contribution 
to make. He has described the electron as being what you might call a 
quantum harmonic structure.  The electron in an orbital is described by 
spherical harmonics, the electron itself might be described by spherical 
(or toroidal) harmonics.

Regards

JohnD

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