[General] Euclidean relativity and toroidal photon model

Richard Gauthier richgauthier at gmail.com
Thu Jul 27 08:09:11 PDT 2017


Hello Martin, John W and all,

I just received a reply from Dutch physicist Hans Montanus, a pioneer in Euclidean relativity,  which is relevant to our discussions of particles composed of photon-like objects. It follows below:


Dear Richard,

Thanks for your email. 

Your `simplified relativity’ (referring to “Relativity Simplified” at https://richardgauthier.academia.edu/research - Richard ) indeed is very similar to my approach. My initial motivation was not to simplify relativity. Around 1986 I got the insight that something was terribly wrong with the basic concept of time in relativity. In short: the proper time of an object should be regarded as its fourth dimension and the proper time of an observer is just a parameter (keeping track of the order of events). Afterwards, it turned out to be a simplification of relativity (euclidean distances instead of minkowskian, goniometric motion instead of hyperbolic motion, SO4 instead of Lorentz groups, etc.). Some of my papers that might interest you are: 

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1012274211780 <https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1012274211780>

https://physicsessays.org/browse-journal-2/product/669-9-hans-montanus-a-new-concept-of-time.html <https://physicsessays.org/browse-journal-2/product/669-9-hans-montanus-a-new-concept-of-time.html>

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10701-005-6482-0 <https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10701-005-6482-0>

http://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.2219157 <http://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.2219157>

In particular the first one is recommended. The second one is about Compton scattering with a massive photon. In the latter two it is shown that results from general relativity (curved space) can also be obtained in a flat euclidean space.

I have to admit that I have been ignorant of your work and of papers cited therein (referring to https://richardgauthier.academia.edu/research - Richard ) . So, i am very pleased with your email. For instance, I am  interested in your attempts to model an electron with a circling photon. In your paper you cite a paper of Williamson and van der Mark about toroidal photon model for the electron. That paper is very interesting too. 
By the way, it happens that I have met Martin van der Mark before: around 1985 or 1986 I worked as a master student on the same department as he was working as a phd student (but I doubt if he will remember me). 
For all the photon models for the electron, always the question raises to me: how can photon be radiated of from an accelerating electron. If the electron is a circling (or double circling in the toroidal model) photon, then it rather is a photon radiated off from an accelerating (the circling photon as a whole) photon. Similarly, pair creation would mean two circling photons coming off from a single (usual, non circling) photon. Do you know if there are models for such processes?

Best wishes, Hans
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