<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><base href="x-msg://63/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Dear Richard (and others)<div><br></div><div>It may help you to understand the Nobel Laureates etc, if you visit the website below. It is President Eisenhower's valedictory address to the nation as he was leaving the White House. Of particular note is his comments about scientific research ≈ 9 min 30 to 11 min. </div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWiIYW_fBfY" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWiIYW_fBfY</span></a></div><div><br></div><div>His telling statement was: </div><div><br></div><div>
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<!--StartFragment--><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt 14.2pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.15pt; line-height: 110%; font-size: 15px; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">“Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in
respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger
that public policy could itself become the captive of a
scientific/technological elite.” </span></p><div><br></div><div>Standard model physicists have captured public policy on fundamental science. They will not tolerate alternate ideas as they try to convince the public that what astronomers see represents only 4% of what has to be in the universe for their theories to explain them. In other words their theory of the observed universe differs by 24 times the mass of the observed universe. That doesn't mention the 10**60 + other universes and multiple undetected spatial dimensions they also need to explain what experimentalists measure. Need I go on. </div><div><br></div><div>They have the ear of government to get all the funds. They point to the great technological advances, claiming credit for what they explained after experimentalists detected the property, as justification for their continued work. No one should be surprised that is the reaction from any member of that elite. They have no desire to lose their status or have their ideas questioned. </div><div><br></div><div>There is a huge amount of resistance among the general public and scientific community against the standard models. Chandra, it is good to see that you are prepared to consider alternative viewpoints. It helps significantly to get an audience among fellow scientists.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Viv Robinson</div><div><br></div>
<!--EndFragment--><div><div>On 19/02/2015, at 10:53 AM, "chandra" <<a href="mailto:chandra@phys.uconn.edu">chandra@phys.uconn.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><a href="mailto:general@natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">general@natureoflightandparticles.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Dear David SJ., and All: Let us converge on sending all of our responses through the “general” web based email, using the above email address. I am now deliberately forwarding my response to David SJ’s email through the “general” email. Once we all start responding to the “general” email, we will have all the correspondence archived on the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:general@natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none; ">web: natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a>.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Everybody with their personalized pass word have access to the archive. For further enquiry, please, contact my student, Michael Ambroselli:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ambroselli@phys.uconn.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">ambroselli@phys.uconn.edu</a><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Chandra.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Pertaining to this particular subject matter:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Dear David SJ., and Richard G.: Let us not feel frustrated so easily. Sometimes it takes a whole century to turn around a century old mis-conception! But we have to keep on working. We have this group. We have a bigger group running the conference for 12 years. We will be holding the 6<sup>th</sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>biennial conference this August. We do have the momentum of a group who are open to diverse ideas!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Chandra.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></a></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>David Saint John [mailto:etherdais@<a href="http://gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:04 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Richard Gauthier<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>John Duffield; Adam K; John Williamson; chandra; A. F. Kracklauer; Stephen Leary; Ralph Penland;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wfhagen@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">wfhagen@gmail.com</a>; Hans De Raedt; Mark, Martin van der; Timothy Drysdale; CSc.; Jonathan Weaver; Rachel; Robert Hadfield; robert hudgins; Vivian Robinson; ninasobieraj;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ambroselli@phys.uconn.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">ambroselli@phys.uconn.edu</a>; 'doc. Ing. Radomil Matoušek; Mayank Drolia; Andrew Meulenberg; Fiona van der Burgt; Michael Wright; Nick Green<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Nobelist dialogue<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Dear Richard (and others),<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Ugh. I don't quite understand when the transition happened, but at some point statistical behavior may have became as important to particle identity as mass or charge or polarization -- fermions and bosons became nouns rather than verbs. I suspect this has gotten under a few peoples skin, perhaps helping to create parastatistics, anyons, and related ideas. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">He might be right about your inability to communicate with each other as his initial assertion appears to be an unfortunate consequence of the ossification of concepts in physics. I concur that a photon obeys BE statistics under observed conditions, and that electrons obey FD statistics (perhaps unless they form cooper pairs, in which case things seem a bit fuzzy), but these statistical behaviors are contextualized consequences of many interacting species and wouldn't be the first topic one addresses if you're trying to discuss an underlying mechanism. Dismissal is an unfortunate regularity with these subjects, but you're not alone. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I think the metaphor of the cathedral and the bazaar (<a href="http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/</a>) applies remarkably well to physics, and the response of 'a tower of the cathedral' to any ideas (even from other cathedral towers) is generally negative - especially if there's any trace of a thought that threatens part of their foundation. With enough effort and attention, the bazaar will eventually break through.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Best,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">-David<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Richard Gauthier <<a href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">John and all,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">A short dialogue follows that I just concluded with a physics Nobel laureate. Comments are welcome.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Hello Professor,<br> A Ph.D. student at IQC suggested that I might meet you this summer at IQC to discuss a rather out-of-the-box idea -- that the electron is a charged photon having the de Broglie wavelength. I have an article on this topic which I will be presenting at the April APS meeting in Baltimore and at the SPIE photonics conference in San Diego in July at a session on “What is the photon”. Currently the article is on <a href="http://academia.edu/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">academia.edu</a> at <a href="https://www.academia.edu/10527918/The_Electron_is_a_Charged_Photon_with_the_de_Broglie_Wavelength" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://www.academia.edu/10527918/The_Electron_is_a_Charged_Photon_with_the_de_Broglie_Wavelength</a> and I have attached the article for your convenience.<br> Is this a topic that you would be interested in discussing?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Dear Mr.Gauthier,</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> If your theory can explain clearly (as shown rather unambiguously by experiment) why the electron is a fermion and the photon a boson, I think a discussion might be worth while, otherwise not. With best wishes,</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Hello Professor,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; "> The short answer in my charged photon hypothesis is that a charged photon (with charge + or - e) is a fermion while an uncharged photon is a boson. So there is zero contradiction with unambiguous experiments about the electron (my hypothesized charged photon, with charge -e for an electron and +e for a positron) being a fermion and the usual uncharged photon being a boson. The next level answer is that the idea that an electron could be a charged photon was apparently missed by de Broglie and others when de Broglie formulated E=mc^2=hf for a resting electron and E= gamma mc^2 = hf for a moving electron. This is the energy equation for a photon that has a wavelength lambda = h/(gamma m c), and that may be helically circulating as mathematically suggested by Hestene’s and Rivas’ analysis of the Dirac equation (referenced in my article) which predicts a light-speed helical motion of the electron’s charge, and is supported by Dirac’s own claim that the electron moves at light-speed but only sub-luminal speed is detected for it. It’s a short step to the de Broglie wavelength h/(gamma mv) for the longitudinal wavelength of the light-speed helical charged photon model of the electron, and the proposal that quantum wave functions for the electron are generated by this model.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Dear Mr.Gauthier,</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> I’m afraid that our ideas about what constitutes a persuasive argument in physics seem to be so different that I doubt whether a meeting would be useful.Sorry,</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:viv@etpsemra.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">viv@etpsemra.com.au</a><br><a href="<a href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/viv%40etpsemra.com.au?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/viv%40etpsemra.com.au?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a>"><br>Click here to unsubscribe<br></a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>