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<DIV>Chip:</DIV>
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<DIV>No, I was just trying to describe the photon as a extended-entity wave
thing, and highlight the fact that it isn’t some kind of point-particle. Photon
spin is said to be around the direction of propagation. like this picture:</DIV>
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<DIV>...from this article: <A title=http://mathpages.com/rr/s9-04/9-04.htm
href="http://mathpages.com/rr/s9-04/9-04.htm">http://mathpages.com/rr/s9-04/9-04.htm</A>.
Things like water waves are a good place to start, but a photon isn’t exactly
like a water wave. </DIV>
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<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=chipakins@gmail.com
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">Chip Akins</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:17 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">'Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] Photonic electron and spin: the heart of the
problem</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Hi John<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">So are you saying that the “spin”
component of a planar polarized photon is not in a direction perpendicular to
the longitudinal direction of travel, but rather in the plane of
polarization?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Chip<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'> General
[mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>John Duffield<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 20, 2015
10:02 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] Photonic electron and spin: the
heart of the problem<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Re: </SPAN><EM><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">It seems there have been experiments where plane polarized
photons were passed through a polarizer and the spin of those photons measured
after the polarizer. As I understand it the spin was still +/- h
bar. Has this actually been done? How can that be explained casually? Even
in consideration of the relativistic photon time and distance transformations, I
cannot causally justify this experiment, unless the photon in this case, is a
plane wave, with a spin angular moment force component, and not a physical spin.
Thoughts anyone?</SPAN></EM><SPAN
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>I recommend you start
with water waves. You can imagine a vertical polarization in that the wave goes
up and down, not side to side. But it isn’t <EM><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>just</SPAN></EM> up and down, the red
test particle goes round and round. There’s still an h-bar rotation that relates
to the wave height. Imagine the wave height is always the same. It’s a sine
wave, but the rotation is perfectly real, that spin isn’t imaginary, it’s
physical.... </SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>