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<DIV>John:</DIV>
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<DIV>Not good. I’m afraid there’s a lot more censorship around than people
appreciate. </DIV>
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<DIV>By the way, <A
title=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Science-Fiction-Phony-Particle-Physics/dp/1888820810/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1425732021&sr=1-1
href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Science-Fiction-Phony-Particle-Physics/dp/1888820810/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1425732021&sr=1-1">the
phony side of particle physics</A> was interesting reading. </DIV>
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<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 07, 2015 6:06 AM</DIV>
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face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> General
[general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org]
on behalf of John Williamson [John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk]<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Saturday, March 07, 2015 6:03 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Nature of Light and Particles -
General Discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] double-loop electron model
discussion<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; COLOR: #000000; DIRECTION: ltr">Good
for you Richard,<BR><BR>That is a very good starting point for discussion. The
reason Dirac did not model the electron as a charged object, however, was that
he was aware that this would produce problems for a light- speed object, not
that he missed something. Photons are not charged - this is (for me) part of the
essential difference between photons and electrons (the other is the fermionic
aspect). This needs to come out of a proper theory, or model, not be put in
a-priori. While I am proud of Martin and my old model (in that it both derives
charge and half-integral spin), it is by no means the whole story two decades
later. I think it is unproductive to argue too much about what the old models do
or do not mean. The electron is no more, simply, a localised photon, than the
photon is a pure overlap state of a couple of electrons. We need to develop the
new theory to explain both photon and electron from first principles, deriving
both charge and fermions from bosons - and explaining why the basic fermions can
carry charge, whereas (the W's notwithstanding) wheres the rest-massless boson
does not. I do not think the W or the Z are "fundamental" either, but their
properties should (equally) emerge from the proper theory that Martin and I are
working on. <BR><BR>Also the statements of Hestenes and Rivas, are not "results"
in the experimental sense, but theoretical speculations. They cannot and must
not be taken as god given. I'm hoping to write a proper explanation of some of
the seminal experiments on the experimental point properties of the electron
later this weekend. I was lucky enough to have been the actual person who
carried out (two sets of the actual) seminal experiments on this decades ago. It
is about time I explained it properly with the references - and hope to
have a go at this within this discussion forum if I can muster the time or
energy to make a proper job of it.<BR><BR>Regards, John.<BR>
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face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> General
[general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org]
on behalf of Richard Gauthier [richgauthier@gmail.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday,
March 07, 2015 5:42 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] double-loop electron model
discussion<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi John W., Martin, Andrew and others,</DIV>
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<DIV> I think that the present company can mostly agree about one
feature common to our various electron models — they are composed in some way of
a double-looping photon of basic radius hbar/2mc, which is the Compton
wavelength h/mc divided by 4pi . This is also the characteristic vibrational
amplitude of the electron found from the Dirac equation. So I think we’re on
firm ground with our electron models here (though we are a small group). But
then differences are seen when we discuss the nature and location of the
electric charge of an electron.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> I think we need to keep in mind that Dirac claimed,
based on his equation and successful experimental predictions from his equation,
that the electron travels at light speed, although he says its observable
velocity is always less that light speed. The same could apply to the electron’s
charge. Hestenes and Rivas in separate analyses of the Dirac equation found that
the electron can be modeled as a light speed electric charge moving in a helical
trajectory of radius hbar/2mc. The electron’s “center of charge” rotates around
its “center of mass” at light speed, claims Rivas. This is the case even
when the electron is at “rest” and the light-speed charge’s helical path becomes
a closed circular path. So John, when you say, as does Martin similarly, that
"<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>Speed of light "charge" cannot happen, in this
picture, precisely because of this frame-bound (rest-massive) form”
</FONT>you seem to be going against these two Dirac-equation related analyses
which have the electron’s charge moving at light-speed even in a resting
electron. How do you explain this discrepency between your electron model and
these results?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Now Dirac did not claim that the electron is a
helically-circulating charged photon. Neither did de Broglie. Both had the
opportunity to do so, starting with de Broglie's E=mc^2=hf for the stationary
electron. In my opinion, if either had, and had then derived the de
Broglie wavelength from this charged photon, this view would be commonly
accepted as obvious today. But for some reason there seems to have developed a
collective “mental block” among physicists, starting perhaps with de Broglie and
persisting until today, that the equation gamma mc^2=hf does NOT indicate that
the moving electron is a kind of photon, but rather that the electron is a
material object with a certain energy-related internal vibrational frequency
which increases in proportion to the total energy of the electron in a way that,
due to a “harmony of phases” leads to the de Broglie wavelength and the idea of
‘matter-waves’. Perhaps this collective mental block or dogmatic way of thinking
about electrons had its origin in Planck’s endowing his proposed material
oscillators in the walls of a blackbody’s cavity with energies having integral
multiples of hf. There is now also a kind of dogma that photons have to have
spin 1, so that the idea that the electron can be a variety of photon with spin
1/2 is dismissed as impossible or inconceivable, even laughable as a kind of
logical contradiction, if it presents itself to mind at all. All of this is
understandable. New ideas in physics are not easily accepted, and rightly so.
Dogmas, especially when they may have served some useful purpose in the past,
die hard.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> But I digress. Whether the electron’s charge moves at
sub-light speed or at light speed can be a point of reasonable disagreement. But
the various proposals that the electron is a double-looping photon with its
effective charge at the center of the loop (Williamson and van der Mark), a
double-looping light-speed electric charge (Hestenes, Rivas) or a double-looping
charged photon, all perhaps can claim at least some rational support and could
therefore form the basis for a common presentation about the nature of the
electron in relation to the photon.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> with best regards,</DIV>
<DIV> Richard</DIV>
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<DIV>On Mar 6, 2015, at 12:26 AM, John Williamson <<A
href="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk"
target=_blank>John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk</A>> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV
style="WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; DIRECTION: ltr; FONT: 10pt tahoma; LETTER-SPACING: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px">Agreed
Andrew,<BR><BR>We need to realise that we are all "ignorant" in certain
respects - and indeed that "science" is also , presently, completely ignorant
in certain respects. We need to break this cycle of ignorance. We need the
picture to make sense in science as a whole. If we (I hope!) come up with a
complete picture, it must be right everywhere and only just right -
explaining, amongst other things- both the nature of and reason for
quantisation and the nature of charge.<BR><BR>In the paper I aim to present I
hope to argue that one can start from an underlying picture of continuous
fields, show how and why these must be quantised and then use that quantised
(E=hf) object to show why and how the (quantised) electron charge arises. In
that sense I would say that I then "know" what charge is - in terms of the
deeper set of principles used to describe it in terms of that theory.
Others may say that, within QED charge is that thing which emits and absorbs
photons, the carriers of the electromagnetic force and may claim, therefore to
"understand" what charge is. In my view, there is a big difference between
putting charge in a-priori and understanding what it is. Likewise, in the
Maxwell equations the "charge" is understood simply as the electric field
divergence. This then begs the question of the nature of the charge. The fact
that it is defined here as a divergence means that it must have a form related
to a particular frame - just as Martin says. Speed of light "charge" cannot
happen, in this picture, precisely because of this frame-bound
(rest-massive) form.<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><BR>In
our 1997 paper, we put in (a subset of) the experimental properties of the
(uncharged) photon and got out an estimate of the charge. We demanded a set of
non-crossing, precisely lightspeed, paths. It was these starting points
that led to the properties we derived. The charge arose in this model because
the oscillating (a.c) photon field was re-configured to give a (d.c.) radial
component. That re-configuration (a knotting) required an equal and opposite
re-configuration an (antiknot) to give a detailed, smooth transition from
cartesian (corkscrew -zero divergence) to toroidal (positive and negative
radial) co-ordinates. The half integral spin to what John D calls the Dirac
belt trick. The anomalous magnetic moment calculation to a rigorous demand
that all paths have the same phase length, and be precisely lightspeed. That
article is history though. Still good, I think, in terms of its starting
postulates, but we need to move on to a deeper theory that gives BOTH electron
AND photon solutions from an underlying theory.<BR><BR>As we talk about this I
see many holes and fallacies in what others are saying, I'm expecting (and
hoping!), to be challenged on my own areas of ignorance. This is best done on
proper, carefully argued papers, not loose emails with half-understood
starting points derived from other authority.<BR><BR>It is through interaction
and proper discussion that ignorance can be resolved.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><BR>Regards, John.<BR><BR><BR>
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on behalf of Andrew Meulenberg [<A href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com"
target=_blank>mules333@gmail.com</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Friday, March 06, 2015 7:19
AM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Nature of Light
and Particles - General Discussion; Andrew Meulenberg<BR><B>Cc:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>P.G. Vaidya<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [General] double-loop electron
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<DIV>Dear Richard,<BR><BR></DIV>While I agree with Martin, I think that we
will need to discuss the issue in person to iron out the pros & cons. I am
presenting a paper at the conference on the fields & potentials of an
optical standing wave. It will describe the differences between photonic
'charge' within the photon and point charges. I will probably be using your
paper as one of the several references that talk of charge within a
photon.<BR><BR></DIV>When we all have had time to read each others' papers
(hopefully before gathering at the conference), then we will be better able to
understand our respective positions and integrate the information into a
coherent, self-consistent, mutually acceptable, whole. I would like the actual
presentations from the multiple sources to present a complete picture, not the
repetitive fragments with the contradictions that presently
exist..<BR><BR></DIV>Andrew<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Richard Gauthier<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"
target=_blank>richgauthier@gmail.com</A>></SPAN><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>wrote:<BR>
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<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">Hello Martin,
<DIV> Thank you for your thoughtful comments and
questions. You are right that any complete model of the electron would
include the origin of electric charge. No one currently understands the
nature and origin of electric charge—that’s why there are various models of
the electron. To say that electric charge originates with electric fields
that have a non-zero divergence is to imply that we understand the origin of
electromagnetic fields, which are supposed to be generated by accelerated
electric charges! A full circle of deep ignorance as the the nature of
either. It seems clear to me that both electric charge and electromagnetic
fields originate from something more primary and more fundamental than
either. I call this more fundamental entity an energy quantum. It generates
both electric charge and electromagnetic fields, as well as other physical
properties of quantized particles. Its chief characteristic is its energy
which is proportional to its frequency: E=hf. It takes on other properties
such as the speed of light, wavelength, momentum, spin, magnetic moment,
flavor, color charge etc depending on what physical particle such as the
photon, electron, gluon, quark etc that it expresses itself as. The energy
quantum expresses non-locally through the various particles that it
manifests as such as the photon or the electron.</DIV>
<DIV> So I don’t think that the electric charge has to be
point-like. I do think that the energy quantum, which is not inherently
charged, is likely to be point-like. It generates the electron which has all
the electron's enigmatic properties. I think that if the energy quantum was
better understood as a hypothetical fundamental entity, the quantum
properties of the so-called fundamental particles would become less
enigmatic. So the electron may be a charged photon, but a photon is an
energy quantum expressing as an uncharged photon or as a charged photon
(electron). In your and John's model of the electron, electric charge must
travel at less than the speed of light, but in my model of the electron as a
charged photon, electric charge can travel at light speed and perhaps
faster. Neither of our models is proved to the extent that either of them
can claim factually that electric charge can or cannot travel at the speed
of light or even faster than light. That’s for experiment to decide. But we
can ask how our models can lead to a deeper understanding of matter and
energy.</DIV>
<DIV> with best regards,</DIV>
<DIV>
Richard</DIV>
<DIV> <BR>
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<DIV>On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Mark, Martin van der <<A
href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com"
target=_blank>martin.van.der.mark@philips.com</A>> wrote:</DIV>
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Richard, maybe the main thing is:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Why
put charge in your model to begin with? Wouldn’t it be nice to have it as
a consequence? The charge itself is the whole problem to begin
with…<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">The
motivation just puzzles me….<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
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16:56<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Nature of Light and Particles -
General Discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Re: [General]
double-loop electron model
discussion<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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Richard, thank you,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Firstly,
There are 3 intimately related problems. With the self-energy problem
comes the 4/3 problem and that of the Poincare stresses. See chapter 28
VOL II of the Feynman Lectures. Neither has to do with the electron being
a point. (go back and make sure you read that previous sentence
well) When the electron is taken to be smaller than half the classical
radius, it is already the end of physics, because there is more
energy in the electric field outside than there is mass to begin
with.<SPAN> </SPAN><U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Secondly,
a charged object whatever you call it and whatever its size cannot go at
light velocity. It may approach it, but not reach it. Charge means a
special configuration of field, of the sort that has a non-zero
divergence, field sticks out in all directions. These things, really
inescapably, MUST have a so-called “rest” mass, if only from the point of
view of what radiation is about: the transverse part, and what virtual
photons, longitudinal polarization or near-field optics are about: mass
given by their decay length.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
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hope this is clear enough. “Charged photon” is a crippled name, it suggest
a contradiction that I believe (I can be quite wrong, but now you know
where it comes from) is also part of the whole concept described and in my
opinion cannot be married with physics as it stands or with physics as it
(perhaps) will appear to be.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
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16:19<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Nature of Light and Particles -
General Discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Re: [General]
double-loop electron model
discussion<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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I agree. The electron’s quantum existence has a unity that must be
preserved in any electron model, although I would like to hear why this
must be in your opinion.<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
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The charged photon model of the electron does not require that the charge
of the charged photon (i.e. the electron) is a point charge. What we know
about the electron is that when it is detected it displays point-like
behavior, so at that time the charge as well as the location of the
detected electron is point-like (or at least confined within the
particular region of detection of the electron.) The same goes for a
photon. We cannot say that the photon is point-like when it is traveling
undetected through a double slit apparatus, which an electron can do also.
As the electron/charged photon goes through the double slits, its charge
goes through the double slits also, as does its spin and magnetic moment
(or at least the electron's potential for re-expressing all of these
properties when it is later detected after passing wavelike through both
slits.) The photon is only point-like when it is detected. So the electron
and the photon are very similar in this respect, both showing
wave-particle duality. I’m claiming that this wave-particle duality
property (or Feynman's sum-over-histories property if you don’t like
wave-particle duality) of a photon and an electron is essentially the same
because the electron is a charged photon and has the properties of a
photon like wave-particle duality, interference, diffraction, and
entanglement. But I also claim that the term “matter-waves” is less
meaningful for an electron if an electron is a charged photon and is not
really “matter” at all, unless an uncharged photon is also “matter”. In
this view, the term “matter” and “material” are not really relevant to the
physicist except as various expressions of energy, if matter is really
light or other luminous objects like gluons of various frequencies,
conformations, and levels of confinement.<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
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The charged photon model only requires that the charged photon have the
quantum and wave properties of the photon given by E=hf , p=h/lambda and
c=lambda f , which by the way are present in your photon with toroidal
topology as I understand it. The charged photon carries the charge -e for
an electron and +e for the charged photon which is a positron. The
light-speed of the electron (which I call a charged photon) is currently
unobserved (as Dirac remarked) but this doesn’t mean that this light speed
is not part of the electron/charged photon model, since the charged photon
model of the electron generates the de Broglie wavelength which IS
observed and is based on a) a helically circulating light-speed charged
photon, b) the increasing frequency of the light-speed charged photon with
increasing electron total energy, and c) the corresponding decrease of
wavelength of the light-speed charged photon with increasing electron
total energy. Since your toroidal electron model has these photon
properties, it will also generate the de Broglie wavelength as does the
charged photon model when your electron model has a velocity in the
direction perpendicular to the plane of its helical axis. So your electron
model will generate the de Broglie wavelength in 2 ways — the way you
describe in your and John’s article and in this way as
well.<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
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So I am not attached to the electron as charged photon model as having a
point-like electric charge just as I am not attached to an uncharged
photon model being point-like. The supposed point-like charge of an
electron as leading to unwanted infinities has been a headache to
physicists for a long time. Perhaps a new approach is
needed.<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
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Mar 3, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Mark, Martin van der <<A
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<DIV><PRE style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; WORD-SPACING: 0px; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">Hi Chip, clearly what John and I have written is too compact to give a full explanation and it should not have been a surprise to me that the subtleties do not always immediately sink in with the reader. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">Perhaps there will be time in at the conference to sit together and discuss the physics, like why, on firm experimental grounds, it absolutely imposible that the electron consists of two parts. It is a very puzzling one, and why the narrowest possible escape may be just, and only just, sufficient: that it is a single quantum of electromagnetic field with a non trivial topplogy. And why any extra property put in from the beginning will destroy the whole concept. Emerging properties should be: charge, spin, magnetic moment, de broglie wavelength, Pauli principle, etc. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">Really the only thing i do not have too much of a clue about is the mass scale...our model is at least not by itself capable of explaing it. This is one of the things a real theory should provide!<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">Cheers, Martin<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif"> </SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif"> </SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Op 3 mrt. 2015 om 18:30 heeft "Chip Akins" <<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">chipakins@gmail.com</SPAN></A>> het volgende geschreven:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Hi Martin<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> I have read your 1997 paper many times and continue to refer to it during research.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Rereading the Feynman Lectures II chapter 28 now.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> I am fairly certain that my model, derived in part from yours, handles these issues similarly, but adds some specifics for the electron you may be interested in. If you have not read it please give it a look.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Chip<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> From: General [<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A>] On Behalf Of Mark, Martin van der<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:23 AM<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> To: Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Subject: Re: [General] double-loop electron model discussion<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Hi Chip,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> John and I have dealt with it in our model. However, we can only be sure if we can also develop a complete theory: a model is just and only a toy. A very important toy to guide our thinking and to help us taking all aspects on board.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> In our 1997 paper, we dealt with just about everything, except for:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> · The Pauli principle (interference at same Compton frequency)<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> · The weak interaction (linked field lines)<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> · The strong interaction (knotted flow)<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Although after all these years I still feel that our model is very adequate, perhaps the most important of our 1997 paper is that it explains the problems related to certain properties of the electron.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> So read the paper and you will know a lot more about the physics involved. And do read Chapter 28 VOL II of Feynman.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Good luck,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Martin<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Dr. Martin B. van der Mark<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Principal Scientist, Minimally Invasive Healthcare<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Philips Research Europe - Eindhoven<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> High Tech Campus, Building 34 (WB2.025)<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Prof. Holstlaan 4<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> 5656 AE Eindhoven, The Netherlands<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Tel: +31 40 2747548<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> From: General [<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A>] On Behalf Of Chip Akins<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Sent: dinsdag 3 maart 2015 18:05<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> To: 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Subject: Re: [General] double-loop electron model discussion<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Hi Martin<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Thank you for the comments.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> In your opinion does the model you and John W. created for the electron (1997) satisfy this self-energy problem you mention?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> I have read the Feynman lectures, but it has been a while, so time for a review.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Infinities are quite distasteful, and an electron has spin and a magnetic moment, so it can be argued that the electron cannot actually be a point, even if it does react at a single point.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Thoughts?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Chip<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> From: General [<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A>] On Behalf Of Mark, Martin van der<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:40 AM<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> To: Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Subject: Re: [General] double-loop electron model discussion<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Hi Chip, Richard and Andrew,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> 1) Ever read chapter 28 of Vol. II of the Feynman Lectures?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> It is about the energy in the field of a charged object, like a football that has been rubbed against a cat (as physicists do).<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> That energy goes to infinity at smaller and smaller radius. This leads to the self-energy problem for a small particle. (The invention of charged photons doesn’t seem to do this any good)<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> 2) The interaction of an electron is point-like, it means that it consists of a single thing, not two massive parts bound by a force (because that would vibrate at some energy)<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Any electron model must be able to make plausible why this is.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Some thinking to do for you perhaps…<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Best, Martin<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Dr. Martin B. van der Mark<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Principal Scientist, Minimally Invasive Healthcare<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Philips Research Europe - Eindhoven<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> High Tech Campus, Building 34 (WB2.025)<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Prof. Holstlaan 4<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> 5656 AE Eindhoven, The Netherlands<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Tel: +31 40 2747548<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> From: General [<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A>] On Behalf Of Chip Akins<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Sent: dinsdag 3 maart 2015 17:10<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> To: 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Subject: Re: [General] double-loop electron model discussion<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Hi Richard and Andrew<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Andrew, I have been looking at the annihilation reaction of the electron and positron and considering that the result yields two photons of the energy 0.511MeV. Then assuming the electron and positron are each made of one photon.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> So far, possibly due to my assumptions regarding the nature of a photon, I have not been able to logically justify splitting the positive and negative “portions’ of a single photon to create these two oppositely charged particles. To me the positive and negative portions of the photon are really made of the same thing, in that they are simply one field vector pointing toward the positive. The positive and negative ends being part of the same spacetime distortion.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> I have attached an updated draft of the electron as a confined photon.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Chip<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> From: General [<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A>] On Behalf Of Richard Gauthier<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:08 AM<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> To: Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Subject: Re: [General] double-loop electron model discussion<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Hi Andrew,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> That’s a very interesting view that a wormhole connection between a created electron-positron pair could resolve the EPR paradox. I think that you would need to show that the same wormhole explanation would resolve the EPR paradox with other particles that are quantum mechanically entangled. You would also need to show that the appropriate quantum communication between two particles could pass between their connecting wormhole to keep them entangled.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> There are other sub-quantum hypotheses I suppose about how a photon interacting with another photon or an atomic nucleus can create an electron pair. Have you studied them and eliminated them as possible contenders?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> On Mar 2, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Andrew Meulenberg <<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">mules333@gmail.com</SPAN></A><<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">mailto:mules333@gmail.com</SPAN></A>>> wrote:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Dear Richard, Chip, et al.,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> I thought for a long time about the electron as a self-bound photon, before I realized that I could only make progress when I considered the electron/positron pair as that photon. So, instead of a free photon (a soliton) we must consider 2 self-bound solitons, that can be separated. It was the paraphrased statement(s) from a molecular biologist (who read more physics than I did) that started me on the right path. "Mass and charge are only produced when (& as) the soliton pair are separated." This became the basis of a paper that AJP rejected in 9 minutes from its electronic receipt. However, with that identity of mass and charge in mind and with the recognition of total internal reflection (TIR) as a means of binding light in a "whispering-Gallery" mode, it became clear that the transverse electric field of a bound photon could be 'rectified' by the Goos–Hänchen or Imbert–Fedorov effect<<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbert%E2%80%93Fedorov_effect" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbert%E2%80%93Fedorov_effect</SPAN></A>> of a photon and give the net charge of an electron. This happens at a unique frequency and orbit size where the negative phase shift exactly equals the phase advance of the photon and the electric field can always point out. If the phase is not correct, then the distortion of space (which affects the refractive index of the path and thus the curvature of the photon) is not resonant. However, this difference in curvature, balanced against the phase shift gives a stable configuration.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> That was the easy part. Nevertheless, I have not yet actually done the full calculations. Someone of the group, with more mathematical ability than I, could do so and coauthor my paper.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> My present conjecture: What happens to the field confined inside the bound-photon 'orbit'? It is so greatly concentrated by the path curvature that it becomes 'singular' at the center. Nature 'abhors a singularity' even more than it abhors a vacuum! The extreme energy density distorts space and forms a 'connection' between the forming electron and positron. I believe that the distortion is a wormhole and the connection is thru time. Just as the external field lines of a bar magnet are 'closed' thru the bar, I believe that the electric field lines of an electron/positron (the lepton) pair in space, also form and are closed thru time via the wormhole. The lepton pair remains connected (entangled) by this internal structure until the wormhole 'distributes' among all of the neighboring charges. [I don't believe that the wormhole collapses until a pair annihilates.] Since time does not exist within a wormhole, this resolves the EPR paradox.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> In response to Richard's intent "I would like to start a thread that focuses on comparing and contrasting the various double-loop electron models ... to find any common areas of agreement, and any points of difference."<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> My original double-loop model assumed that every wavelength is divided in 1/2 and then recombined (nearly superposed). It required a different type of phase shift than normally assumed and was nicely represented by the mobius strip with a 1/2 twist per 1/2 cycle (a full rotation for every wavelength).<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> My present concept, using the Goos–Hänchen or Imbert–Fedorov effect, does not require a relationship between a 'twist' and the photon wavelength, since the path curvature provides the necessary phase shift to keep the fields constant. These options must still be confirmed.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Thus, I have two models with different mobius twist factors. One with a 1/2 twist per 1/2 cycle, and one with no twist at all. I believe that both models would allow the electron to be the lowest level and this structure could have higher levels such as the muon. (However, I don't think that they can be considered excited states.)<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Andrew<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> _____________________________<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Chip Akins <<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">chipakins@gmail.com</SPAN></A><<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">mailto:chipakins@gmail.com</SPAN></A>>> wrote:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Hi Richard<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> One of the items which intrigued me while studying electron models, was the notion that charge was topologically generated by the spin of the electron. We only find charge in spin 1/2 particles. Looking at U(1) and SU(2) and the Yang-Mills "phase force" idea, led me to be even more convinced.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> As it turns out, it seems the photon is capable of generating charge topologically, when confined. Of course the simplest method to express that confinement is a monochromatic circular plane wave, certain toroidal models may also work, as long as the negative end of the E field is exposed to the outside.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Another attraction in starting with the plane circular model, is the relative ease of analyzing wave interference. It happens that wave interference is very important, because the result is that the effective electrical and magnetic radius is then slightly larger than the transport radius, providing the exact values for the magnetic moment (with anomaly), and the exact electric charge. Wave interference occurs near the center of the model, making the E field less efficient near the center, and thereby shifting the effective E field radius, and therefore the effective magnetic radius, outwards, while not affecting the transport radius.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> With these values (magnetic moment and charge) defined so accurately in the model, it is still a little puzzling that my models wave interference predicts a value for the fine structure, internal to the electron, of 0.007285993718303 when the actual value (CODATA) is 0.0072973525698. The difference is 0.1557% but I still feel it is significant, and want to know why the difference is there. Maybe I am calculating the interference incorrectly or incompletely. Or maybe there is another contribution to the fine structure which I have missed. While writing this I may have discovered where my error is. I kept telling myself that the fields actually extend far beyond the effective RMS radius but falling off in intensity, and I accounted for that in part of the wave interference calculations, but not all of the interference was calculated, because I failed to see its tiny contribution before now.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Another aspect of my model which is unique and not incorporated in any other model we have seen is the relative phase of the electrical and magnetic components of the wave. This aspect becomes important when understanding how the photon is confined.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> The electron exhibits many clues to its nature. From this model we can calculate the exact known value for the Quantum Hall effect, by simply running some standard electrical engineering formula using the "voltage", "current", and frequency. This indicates also that an electrical engineering analysis may provide other valuable information. Using a similar approach we can understand that the electron will display a particular phase relationship between E and M components. In a simple EM resonant system the E and M components are shifted 90 degrees at resonance. If we start with a 90 degree phase shift and look at the double loop configuration of the wave we see an apparent 180 degree phase shift in the confined E and M components, placing them on opposite sides of the electron radius at any given instant. Then it is much easier to see that with the E and M fields on opposite sides, and the attraction between these fields, the issue of photon confinement is simplified somewhat.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> We still have a ways to go, getting answers to many of the remaining questions. But so far it seems like the group has uncovered some important new understanding which may lead us to a clearer, causal, view of physics, and provide a new basis which can describe experiment more fully and accurately.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Chip<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> -----Original Message-----<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> From: General [mailto:<A href="mailto:general-bounces%2Bchipakins" target=_blank>general-bounces+chipakins</A><<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:general-bounces%2Bchipakins" target=_blank>mailto:general-bounces%2Bchipakins</A>>=<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A><<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">mailto:gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A>>] On Behalf Of Richard Gauthier<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 11:47 PM<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> To: Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Subject: Re: [General] double-loop electron model discussion<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Hi Chip,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Thank you for your thoughtful as well as personal history comments about your interest in modeling the electron. My own interest in the structure and composition of the electron dates back to the late 1980’s. My spiritual guru gave some new ideas in 1986 about how matter might be formed by a kind of life principle transmitted through subtle vibrating life-energy entities that have both a mental and a physical portion. That idea intrigued me and soon I tried to apply the idea to make a model of a photon as being composed of millions of these oscillating life-particles. I had mainly my intuition to guide me. My photon model soon contained a single circulating energy entity (a superluminal energy quantum) traveling helically at a 45 degree angle with the speed c sqrt(2) and a total momentum along a helical trajectory of (h/lambda) sqrt(2). The energy quantum's helical radius is the photon’s wavelength lambda divided by 2 pi. This result came out of the requirement that the photon model should have its experimental value of spin hbar (or minus hbar) generated by the transverse component of the superluminal energy quantum's total momentum along its helical trajectory, while having the transluminal energy quantum’s longitudinal component of momentum be the photon's linear momentum p=h/lambda.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> I then modeled the electron as a closed charged photon-like object. I knew very little about the Dirac equation except its prediction of antimatter and that the electron has a 4pi rotational symmetry. I also found that a single closed-loop of one wavelength of a photon (the Compton wavelength h/mc) with the electron’s rest energy mc^2 yields a spin of 1 hbar — twice the value of the electron’s spin. It hit me that making a double-loop of a single wavelength photon produces an electron model with a spin of 1/2 hbar.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> While making my electron model I realized that it should also have the electron’s magnetic moment M — approximately the magnitude of the Bohr magneton (e hbar)/2m. I set the electron model to have the Bohr magneton for its magnetic moment by adjusting the radius of the closed helical path of the helically moving charged superluminal energy quantum so that its helically circulating charge generates the Dirac equation electron's Bohr magneton for the electron model. (Choosing a slightly larger helical radius generates the electron’s exact experimental value of magnetic moment which is a little larger than the Bohr magneton’s magnitude.)<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Later I started analyzing other people’s cyclical models of the electron more closely. I found that Dirac had claimed that electrons actually move at the speed of light, but that only a sub-luminal speed can be observed. I found two analyses of the Dirac equation that suggested that the path of a moving electron’s charge can be described as light-speed along an open helix. This gave me the idea to fit my model of the circulating charged photon for a resting electron to this light-speed helical approach. I realized that the circulating photon in the electron model would have an increased frequency f corresponding to its increased total energy gamma mc^2 when the electron moves forward, and that the corresponding wavelength of this circulating charged photon would decrease with this increasing frequency, in order to keep the speed of light of the circulating charged photon constant. The radius of the charged photon’s helix was found to decrease with increasing electron velocity by the factor gamma^2 in order for the photon’s wavelength to decrease as described as the frequency of the charged photon increases with increasing electron speed and total energy. All the math worked out nicely, including the generation of the electron’s spin 1/2 hbar for a slow moving electron from the tangential component mc of the charged photon’s total momentum gamma mc along its helical axis, multiplied by the radius hbar/2mc of the charged photon’s helical axis for a slow moving electron. And I realized that any speed-of-light double-looping photon model for an electron should also follow a corresponding helical path whose radius decreases in the same way with the electron’s increase speed. This is because the result only depends on the relations E=hf, p=h/lambda , and c= lambda f , the basic quantum energy and momentum equations for a photon and the equation for wave motion with speed c.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Although I knew that any acceptable electron model would have to generate the relativistic de Broglie wavelength Ldb = h/(gamma mv) , I was quite surprised that this result falls out so easily from the circulating charged photon model of a moving electron, where the longitudinal component of the circulating charged photon’s wave vector k yields the wave number that corresponds to the relativistic de Broglie wavelength. Furthermore, this simple result for the origin of the electron’s de Broglie wavelength suggests that the quantum wave functions for a moving electron, which depend heavily on the electron's de Broglie wavelength, are produced mathematically from the waves generated by the circulating charged photon that models the electron.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> Richard<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 6:47 AM, Chip Akins <<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">chipakins@gmail.com</SPAN></A><<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">mailto:chipakins@gmail.com</SPAN></A>>> wrote:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> Hi Richard and ALL<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> You asked for a comparison of electron models.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> Since 1986, while having lunch with a mathematician, Eric Peterson, I have felt that the electron was made up of EM waves, or a photon.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> Several of us have come to the same conclusion.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> When I saw your model from 2005 many things started to make sense. That is why I was so excited and interested to fully pursue the math to try to deeply understand your TEQ model. It was quite informative and inspiring to see your work.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> Since that time, principally due to an Occam's razor argument, I have returned to the view that TEQ's are not required to model the electron. While I still feel that it may be possible that TEQ's exist, I do not find, in my view, that it is required for the modeling of the photon and electron.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> When I later saw John W and Martin's work from 1997 I was again very interested, principally because they were saying the same thing I was thinking, in general.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> While running the math and testing the model from John W and Martin, it occurred to me that we had to have some sort of photon model to build the electron from. So I produced the simplest model I could imagine which would fulfill what I felt then was the basic criteria. My view of the basic criteria has since changed due to this collaboration, so I am working now to update my electron model. However it seems most of the electron model remains intact.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> The fundamental differences between my model and John W. and Martin's model are as follows:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> I found that wave interference may be precisely the cause for the exact value of the magnetic moment anomaly, and the cause for the exact value for the elementary charge.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> That wave interference, incidentally, produces a new view of the fine structure constant in the electron.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> My motivation, in part, to do this work, was because we have to provide an electron model which is simple in comparison, and competes with current theory and models in accuracy, before such a model will be considered a viable alternative.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> My model currently falls short of some of the goals that I feel we will need, in order for our work to be considered noteworthy and to be eventually accepted.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> My model also demonstrates the cause for inertial mass, but I think John W. and Martin's model may illustrate the same property. And in fact, all confined photon models may show the same attribute of inertial mass.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> There are implications of the work we are doing which we also need to discuss. If Matter is made from light, when you think about its implications on relativity, leads to the existence of a preferred reference rest frame in space, leading us toward Chandra's view and CTF.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> Working with all of you is both enlightening and inspiring.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> Chip<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> -----Original Message-----<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> From: General<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> [mailto:<A href="mailto:general-bounces%2Bchipakins" target=_blank>general-bounces+chipakins</A><<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:general-bounces%2Bchipakins" target=_blank>mailto:general-bounces%2Bchipakins</A>>=<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandpart" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandpart</SPAN></A><<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandpart" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">mailto:gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandpart</SPAN></A>><U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="http://icles.org/" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">icles.org</SPAN></A><<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="http://icles.org/" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">http://icles.org/</SPAN></A>>] On Behalf Of Richard Gauthier<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 11:10 PM<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> To: Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> Subject: [General] double-loop electron model discussion<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> I would like to start a thread that focuses on comparing and contrasting the various double-loop electron models, mainly John and Martin’s (J/M's), Chip’s, Vivian's and mine, and any others that people may know of, to find any common areas of agreement, and any points of difference. I think we are all agreed that the resting electron in our various models has spin 1/2 hbar. Chip’s model is based on J/M's model. I’d like to ask Chip, if I might, what commonalities and differences exist between J/M’s electron model and Chip's electron model. We can go on from there, if that’s agreeable.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> Richard<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> _______________________________________________<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of<U></U><U></U></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">>> Light and Particles General Discussion List at <A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com" target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">chipakins@gmail.com</SPAN></A><<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; 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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Rereading
the Feynman Lectures II chapter 28 now.<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">I
am fairly certain that my model, derived in part from yours, handles
these issues similarly, but adds some specifics for the electron you may
be interested in. If you have not read it please give it a
look.<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Chip<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif">General [<A
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AM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Nature of Light and Particles -
General Discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Re: [General]
double-loop electron model
discussion</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
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<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Hi
Chip,</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">John
and I have dealt with it in our model. However, we can only be sure if
we can also develop a complete theory: a model is just and only a toy. A
very important toy to guide our thinking and to help us taking all
aspects on board.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">In
our 1997 paper, we dealt with just about everything, except
for:</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt">
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: symbol; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">·</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">
<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">The
Pauli principle (interference at same Compton
frequency)</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt">
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: symbol; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">·</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">
<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">The
weak interaction (linked field lines)</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt">
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: symbol; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">·</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">
<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">The
strong interaction (knotted flow)</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Although
after all these years I still feel that our model is very adequate,
perhaps the most important of our 1997 paper is that it explains the
problems related to certain properties of the
electron.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">So
read the paper and you will know a lot more about the physics involved.
And do read Chapter 28 VOL II of
Feynman.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Good
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">General [<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
target=_blank><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A>]<SPAN> </SPAN><B>On
Behalf Of<SPAN> </SPAN></B>Chip
Akins<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>dinsdag 3 maart 2015
18:05<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>'Nature of Light and Particles -
General Discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Re: [General]
double-loop electron model
discussion</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Hi
Martin<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Thank
you for the comments.<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">In
your opinion does the model you and John W. created for the electron
(1997) satisfy this self-energy problem you
mention?<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">I
have read the Feynman lectures, but it has been a while, so time for a
review.<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Infinities
are quite distasteful, and an electron has spin and a magnetic moment,
so it can be argued that the electron cannot actually be a point, even
if it does react at a single point.<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Thoughts?<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Chip<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif">General [<A
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Behalf Of<SPAN> </SPAN></B>Mark, Martin van
der<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:40
AM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Nature of Light and Particles -
General Discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Re: [General]
double-loop electron model
discussion</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Hi
Chip, Richard and Andrew,</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt">
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">1)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">
<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Ever
read chapter 28 of Vol. II of the Feynman
Lectures?</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 36pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">It
is about the energy in the field of a charged object, like a football
that has been rubbed against a cat (as physicists
do).</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 36pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">That
energy goes to infinity at smaller and smaller radius. This leads to the
self-energy problem for a small particle. (The invention of charged
photons doesn’t seem to do this any
good)</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt">
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">2)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">
<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">The
interaction of an electron is point-like, it means that it consists of a
single thing, not two massive parts bound by a force (because that would
vibrate at some energy)</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Any
electron model must be able to make plausible why this
is.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Some
thinking to do for you perhaps…</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Best,
Martin</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
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lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; COLOR: navy">Dr.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif">General [<A
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style="COLOR: purple">mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A>]<SPAN> </SPAN><B>On
Behalf Of<SPAN> </SPAN></B>Chip
Akins<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>dinsdag 3 maart 2015
17:10<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>'Nature of Light and Particles -
General Discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Re: [General]
double-loop electron model
discussion</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
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<DIV
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Richard and Andrew<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Andrew,
I have been looking at the annihilation reaction of the electron and
positron and considering that the result yields two photons of the
energy 0.511MeV. Then assuming the electron and positron are each made
of one photon.<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">So
far, possibly due to my assumptions regarding the nature of a photon, I
have not been able to logically justify splitting the positive and
negative “portions’ of a single photon to create these two oppositely
charged particles. To me the positive and negative portions of the
photon are really made of the same thing, in that they are simply one
field vector pointing toward the positive. The positive and negative
ends being part of the same spacetime
distortion.<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">I
have attached an updated draft of<SPAN> </SPAN><U>the electron as a
confined photon</U>.<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif">General [<A
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href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
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style="COLOR: purple">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A>]<SPAN> </SPAN><B>On
Behalf Of<SPAN> </SPAN></B>Richard
Gauthier<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:08
AM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Nature of Light and Particles -
General Discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Re: [General]
double-loop electron model
discussion</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Hi
Andrew,<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">
That’s a very interesting view that a wormhole connection between a
created electron-positron pair could resolve the EPR paradox. I think
that you would need to show that the same wormhole explanation would
resolve the EPR paradox with other particles that are quantum
mechanically entangled. You would also need to show that the appropriate
quantum communication between two particles could pass between their
connecting wormhole to keep them
entangled.<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">
There are other sub-quantum hypotheses I suppose about how a photon
interacting with another photon or an atomic nucleus can create an
electron pair. Have you studied them and eliminated them as possible
contenders?<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">On
Mar 2, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Andrew Meulenberg <<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com" target=_blank><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">mules333@gmail.com</SPAN></A>>
wrote:<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
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<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,sans-serif">Dear
Richard, Chip, et al.,</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,sans-serif">I thought
for a long time about the electron as a self-bound photon, before I
realized that I could only make progress when I considered the
electron/positron pair as that photon. So, instead of a free photon (a
soliton) we must consider 2 self-bound solitons, that can be
separated. It was the paraphrased statement(s) from a molecular
biologist (who read more physics than I did) that started me on the
right path. "Mass and charge are only produced when (& as) the
soliton pair are separated." This became the basis of a paper that AJP
rejected in 9 minutes from its electronic receipt. However, with that
identity of mass and charge in mind and with the recognition of total
internal reflection (TIR) as a means of binding light in a
"whispering-Gallery" mode, it became clear that the transverse
electric field of a bound photon could be 'rectified' by the
Goos–Hänchen or<SPAN> </SPAN><A title="Imbert–Fedorov effect"
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbert%E2%80%93Fedorov_effect"
target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">Imbert–Fedorov
effect</SPAN></A><SPAN> </SPAN>of a photon and give the net
charge of an electron. This happens at a unique frequency and orbit
size where the negative phase shift exactly equals the phase advance
of the photon and the electric field can always point out. If the
phase is not correct, then the distortion of space (which affects the
refractive index of the path and thus the curvature of the photon) is
not resonant. However, this difference in curvature, balanced against
the phase shift gives a stable configuration.<BR><BR>That was the easy
part. Nevertheless, I have not yet actually done the full
calculations. Someone of the group, with more mathematical ability
than I, could do so and coauthor my
paper.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,sans-serif">My present
conjecture</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,sans-serif">: What
happens to the field confined inside the bound-photon 'orbit'? It is
so greatly concentrated by the path curvature that it becomes
'singular' at the center. Nature 'abhors a singularity' even more than
it abhors a vacuum! The extreme energy density distorts space and
forms a 'connection' between the forming electron and positron. I
believe that the distortion is a wormhole and the connection is thru
time. Just as the external field lines of a bar magnet are 'closed'
thru the bar, I believe that the electric field lines of an
electron/positron (the lepton) pair in space, also form and are closed
thru time via the wormhole. The lepton pair remains connected
(entangled) by this internal structure until the wormhole
'distributes' among all of the neighboring charges. [I don't believe
that the wormhole collapses until a pair annihilates.] Since time does
not exist within a wormhole, this resolves the EPR
paradox.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,sans-serif">In response
to Richard's intent<SPAN> </SPAN><I>"I would like to start a
thread that focuses on comparing and contrasting the various
double-loop electron models ... to find any common areas of agreement,
and any points of
difference."</I></SPAN></B><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,sans-serif">My original
double-loop model assumed that every wavelength is divided in 1/2 and
then recombined (nearly superposed). It required a different type of
phase shift than normally assumed and was nicely represented by the
mobius strip with a 1/2 twist per 1/2 cycle (a full rotation for every
wavelength).</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,sans-serif">My present
concept, using the Goos–Hänchen or Imbert–Fedorov effect, does not
require a relationship between a 'twist' and the photon wavelength,
since the path curvature provides the necessary phase shift to keep
the fields constant. These options must still be
confirmed.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,sans-serif">Thus, I have
two models with different mobius twist factors. One with a 1/2 twist
per 1/2 cycle, and one with no twist at all. I believe that both
models would allow the electron to be the lowest level and this
structure could have higher levels such as the muon. (However, I don't
think that they can be considered excited
states.)</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<DIV
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style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,sans-serif">Andrew<BR>_____________________________</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,sans-serif"></SPAN><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,sans-serif">On Sun, Mar
1, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Chip Akins<SPAN> </SPAN><<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com" target=_blank><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">chipakins@gmail.com</SPAN></A>><SPAN> </SPAN>wrote:</SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,sans-serif">Hi
Richard<BR><BR>One of the items which intrigued me while studying
electron models, was the notion that charge was topologically
generated by the spin of the electron. We only find charge in
spin 1/2 particles. Looking at U(1) and SU(2) and the Yang-Mills
"phase force" idea, led me to be even more convinced.<BR><BR>As it
turns out, it seems the photon is capable of generating charge
topologically, when confined. Of course the simplest method to
express that confinement is a monochromatic circular plane wave,
certain toroidal models may also work, as long as the negative end
of the E field is exposed to the outside.<BR><BR>Another attraction
in starting with the plane circular model, is the relative ease of
analyzing wave interference. It happens that wave interference
is very important, because the result is that the effective
electrical and magnetic radius is then slightly larger than the
transport radius, providing the exact values for the magnetic moment
(with anomaly), and the exact electric charge. Wave
interference occurs near the center of the model, making the E field
less efficient near the center, and thereby shifting the effective E
field radius, and therefore the effective magnetic radius, outwards,
while not affecting the transport radius.<BR><BR>With these values
(magnetic moment and charge) defined so accurately in the model, it
is still a little puzzling that my models wave interference predicts
a value for the fine structure, internal to the electron, of
0.007285993718303 when the actual value (CODATA) is
0.0072973525698. The difference is 0.1557% but I still feel it
is significant, and want to know why the difference is there. Maybe
I am calculating the interference incorrectly or incompletely. Or
maybe there is another contribution to the fine structure which I
have missed. While writing this I may have discovered where my error
is. I kept telling myself that the fields actually extend far
beyond the effective RMS radius but falling off in intensity, and I
accounted for that in part of the wave interference calculations,
but not all of the interference was calculated, because I failed to
see its tiny contribution before now.<BR><BR>Another aspect of my
model which is unique and not incorporated in any other model we
have seen is the relative phase of the electrical and magnetic
components of the wave. This aspect becomes important when
understanding how the photon is confined.<BR>The electron exhibits
many clues to its nature. From this model we can calculate the exact
known value for the Quantum Hall effect, by simply running some
standard electrical engineering formula using the "voltage",
"current", and frequency. This indicates also that an electrical
engineering analysis may provide other valuable information.
Using a similar approach we can understand that the electron will
display a particular phase relationship between E and M
components. In a simple EM resonant system the E and M
components are shifted 90 degrees at resonance. If we start
with a 90 degree phase shift and look at the double loop
configuration of the wave we see an apparent 180 degree phase shift
in the confined E and M components, placing them on opposite sides
of the electron radius at any given instant. Then it is much easier
to see that with the E and M fields on opposite sides, and the
attraction between these fields, the issue of photon confinement is
simplified somewhat.<BR><BR>We still have a ways to go, getting
answers to many of the remaining questions. But so far it
seems like the group has uncovered some important new understanding
which may lead us to a clearer, causal, view of physics, and provide
a new basis which can describe experiment more fully and
accurately.<BR><BR><SPAN>Chip</SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN>-----Original
Message-----</SPAN><BR><SPAN>From: General [mailto:<A
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On Behalf Of Richard Gauthier</SPAN><BR><SPAN>Sent: Saturday,
February 28, 2015 11:47 PM</SPAN><BR><SPAN>To: Nature of Light and
Particles - General
Discussion</SPAN></SPAN><U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica,sans-serif">Subject:
Re: [General] double-loop electron model discussion<BR><BR>Hi
Chip,<BR><BR> Thank you for your thoughtful as well as
personal history comments about your interest in modeling the
electron. My own interest in the structure and composition of the
electron dates back to the late 1980’s. My spiritual guru gave some
new ideas in 1986 about how matter might be formed by a kind of life
principle transmitted through subtle vibrating life-energy entities
that have both a mental and a physical portion. That idea intrigued
me and soon I tried to apply the idea to make a model of a photon as
being composed of millions of these oscillating life-particles. I
had mainly my intuition to guide me. My photon model soon contained
a single circulating energy entity (a superluminal energy quantum)
traveling helically at a 45 degree angle with the speed c sqrt(2)
and a total momentum along a helical trajectory of (h/lambda)
sqrt(2). The energy quantum's helical radius is the photon’s
wavelength lambda divided by 2 pi. This result came out of the
requirement that the photon model should have its experimental value
of spin hbar (or minus hbar) generated by the transverse component
of the superluminal energy quantum's total momentum along its
helical trajectory, while having the transluminal energy quantum’s
longitudinal component of momentum be the photon's linear momentum
p=h/lambda.<BR><BR> I then modeled the electron as
a closed charged photon-like object. I knew very little about the
Dirac equation except its prediction of antimatter and that the
electron has a 4pi rotational symmetry. I also found that a single
closed-loop of one wavelength of a photon (the Compton wavelength
h/mc) with the electron’s rest energy mc^2 yields a spin of 1 hbar —
twice the value of the electron’s spin. It hit me that making a
double-loop of a single wavelength photon produces an electron model
with a spin of 1/2 hbar.<BR><BR> While making my
electron model I realized that it should also have the electron’s
magnetic moment M — approximately the magnitude of the Bohr magneton
(e hbar)/2m. I set the electron model to have the Bohr magneton for
its magnetic moment by adjusting the radius of the closed helical
path of the helically moving charged superluminal energy quantum so
that its helically circulating charge generates the Dirac equation
electron's Bohr magneton for the electron model. (Choosing a
slightly larger helical radius generates the electron’s exact
experimental value of magnetic moment which is a little larger than
the Bohr magneton’s magnitude.)<BR><BR> Later I
started analyzing other people’s cyclical models of the electron
more closely. I found that Dirac had claimed that electrons actually
move at the speed of light, but that only a sub-luminal speed can be
observed. I found two analyses of the Dirac equation that suggested
that the path of a moving electron’s charge can be described as
light-speed along an open helix. This gave me the idea to fit my
model of the circulating charged photon for a resting electron to
this light-speed helical approach. I realized that the circulating
photon in the electron model would have an increased frequency f
corresponding to its increased total energy gamma mc^2 when the
electron moves forward, and that the corresponding wavelength of
this circulating charged photon would decrease with this increasing
frequency, in order to keep the speed of light of the circulating
charged photon constant. The radius of the charged photon’s helix
was found to decrease with increasing electron velocity by the
factor gamma^2 in order for the photon’s wavelength to decrease as
described as the frequency of the charged photon increases with
increasing electron speed and total energy. All the math worked out
nicely, including the generation of the electron’s spin 1/2 hbar for
a slow moving electron from the tangential component mc of the
charged photon’s total momentum gamma mc along its helical axis,
multiplied by the radius hbar/2mc of the charged photon’s helical
axis for a slow moving electron. And I realized that any
speed-of-light double-looping photon model for an electron should
also follow a corresponding helical path whose radius decreases in
the same way with the electron’s increase speed. This is because the
result only depends on the relations E=hf, p=h/lambda , and c=
lambda f , the basic quantum energy and momentum equations for
a photon and the equation for wave motion with speed
c.<BR><BR> Although I knew that any
acceptable electron model would have to generate the relativistic de
Broglie wavelength Ldb = h/(gamma mv) , I was quite surprised that
this result falls out so easily from the circulating charged photon
model of a moving electron, where the longitudinal component of the
circulating charged photon’s wave vector k yields the wave number
that corresponds to the relativistic de Broglie wavelength.
Furthermore, this simple result for the origin of the electron’s de
Broglie wavelength suggests that the quantum wave functions for a
moving electron, which depend heavily on the electron's de Broglie
wavelength, are produced mathematically from the waves generated by
the circulating charged photon that models the
electron.<BR><BR>
Richard<BR><BR>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 6:47 AM, Chip Akins <<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com" target=_blank><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">chipakins@gmail.com</SPAN></A>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> Hi Richard and ALL<BR>><BR>> You asked
for a comparison of electron models.<BR>><BR>> Since 1986,
while having lunch with a mathematician, Eric Peterson, I have felt
that the electron was made up of EM waves, or a
photon.<BR>><BR>> Several of us have come to the same
conclusion.<BR>><BR>> When I saw your model from 2005 many
things started to make sense. That is why I was so excited and
interested to fully pursue the math to try to deeply understand your
TEQ model. It was quite informative and inspiring to see your
work.<BR>><BR>> Since that time, principally due to an Occam's
razor argument, I have returned to the view that TEQ's are not
required to model the electron. While I still feel that it may
be possible that TEQ's exist, I do not find, in my view, that it is
required for the modeling of the photon and
electron.<BR>><BR>> When I later saw John W and Martin's work
from 1997 I was again very interested, principally because they were
saying the same thing I was thinking, in general.<BR>><BR>>
While running the math and testing the model from John W and Martin,
it occurred to me that we had to have some sort of photon model to
build the electron from. So I produced the simplest model I could
imagine which would fulfill what I felt then was the basic
criteria. My view of the basic criteria has since changed due
to this collaboration, so I am working now to update my electron
model. However it seems most of the electron model remains
intact.<BR>><BR>> The fundamental differences between my model
and John W. and Martin's model are as
follows:<BR>><BR>> I found
that wave interference may be precisely the cause for the exact
value of the magnetic moment anomaly, and the
cause for the exact value for the elementary
charge.<BR>><BR>> That
wave interference, incidentally, produces a new view of the fine
structure constant
in the electron.<BR>><BR>> My motivation, in part, to do this
work, was because we have to provide an electron model which is
simple in comparison, and competes with current theory and models in
accuracy, before such a model will be considered a viable
alternative.<BR>><BR>> My model currently falls short of some
of the goals that I feel we will need, in order for our work to be
considered noteworthy and to be eventually accepted.<BR>><BR>>
My model also demonstrates the cause for inertial mass, but I think
John W. and Martin's model may illustrate the same property. And in
fact, all confined photon models may show the same attribute of
inertial mass.<BR>><BR>> There are implications of the work we
are doing which we also need to discuss. If Matter is made
from light, when you think about its implications on relativity,
leads to the existence of a preferred reference rest frame in space,
leading us toward Chandra's view and CTF.<BR>><BR>> Working
with all of you is both enlightening and inspiring.<BR>><BR>>
Chip<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original
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Gauthier<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 11:10 PM<BR>>
To: Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<BR>>
Subject: [General] double-loop electron model
discussion<BR>><BR>> I would like to start a thread that
focuses on comparing and contrasting the various double-loop
electron models, mainly John and Martin’s (J/M's), Chip’s, Vivian's
and mine, and any others that people may know of, to find any common
areas of agreement, and any points of difference. I think we are all
agreed that the resting electron in our various models has spin 1/2
hbar. Chip’s model is based on J/M's model. I’d like to ask Chip, if
I might, what commonalities and differences exist between J/M’s
electron model and Chip's electron model. We can go on from there,
if that’s agreeable.<BR>> Richard<BR>>
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