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<DIV>Martin:</DIV>
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<DIV>Please don’t be disappointed. If you had 100 ideas, and every last one was
crazy, nobody in physics would pay you any attention. But if you had 99
brilliant ideas, there are people and vested interests who would feel
threatened. They will censor you, and they will prevent you putting a paper on
arXiv, as per John’s recent experience. And they will use your 100th idea, the
one which is <EM>arguably</EM> crazy, to attack you mercilessly and persuade
others not to listen to <EM>anything</EM> you say. Do not underestimate this. Do
not persuade yourself that it took you six years to get a paper into low-impact
journal because of some innocent ignorance. Do not kid yourself that it
has received no media attention by mere chance. Ergo I feel the need to protect
your from your own exuberance here. Sorry. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As for Wheeler, I think the guy put physics back by fifty years. He talked
about a geon. If he’d used the right prefix, one associated with forces
10<SUP>39</SUP> times stronger than gravity, you would never have written<FONT
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color=#333333><FONT color=#000000 size=3><EM>Is the electron a photon with
toroidal topology? </EM>And if he’d paid attention to general relativity instead
of rewriting it and passing off ersatz trash as the real thing, Viv would know
that the speed of light varies in the room he’s in. And so would everybody
else. </FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV>John </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=viv@etpsemra.com.au
href="mailto:viv@etpsemra.com.au">Vivian Robinson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 27, 2015 7:18 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] Group discussion at San
Diego</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>Dear
Martin, John D and All,
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<DIV>As strange as it may seem, sometimes two apparently opposing viewpoints can
both be correct. As has been mentioned before, experiment is the only arbiter of
truth, provided the experiment is performed and reported correctly. But there
are several aspects to any experiment: the result obtained, the interpretation
of that result and the extrapolation of the interpretation to other
observations. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The "pillars" of modern physics include the special and general theories of
relativity, quantum mechanics, quantum electrodynamics, the fixed values of
physical constants such as c, h and e and the standard models for the structure
of matter and the formation of the universe from a Big Bang. Many of us in this
discussion group have serious reservation about the electron being a point
particle and are trying to see if we can replace it by "toroidal electromagnetic
oscillations", or however this model is to be called. This is a direct challenge
to the "standard model" for the structure of matter, one of those "pillars" of
modern physics. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The "establishment" to whom John W has referred as being responsible for
suppressing these types of publications, will interpret a challenge to one of
those pillars as being a challenge to all of them. I am the first to admit that
I do not challenge all those "pillars". I do accept:-</DIV>
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<DIV>1<SPAN class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"> </SPAN>The fixed
values of physical constants such as c, h and e - they have been measured and
found to be fixed.</DIV>
<DIV>2<SPAN class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"> </SPAN>The special
theory of relativity - it has also been verified experimentally. Also, my
electron paper suggests that it is this structure that gives electrons, and all
matter with this structure, the relativistic corrections with velocity. </DIV>
<DIV>3<SPAN class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"> </SPAN>That aspect of
the general theory of relativity that mass distorts space-time, giving rise to
gravity - it has been verified experimentally. I do not agree with concepts such
as black holes that are "predicted" from Einstein's gravitational field
equations. (If anyone is interested let me know and I will send a reference to a
paper in which another space-time metric has been derived for space outside
matter. It is very similar to the accepted Schwarzschild metric, except that it
has its singularity at the centre of mass, not at the Schwarzschild radius. All
measurements that support the Schwarzschild metric are supported by this metric.
In this case, it shows that the extrapolation of Einstein's field equations from
r >> alpha = 2GM/c**2, where it is shown to hold, to r ≈ alpha, which
predicts the "event horizon" is not necessarily valid. There are other
explanations for the so-called "black holes" that have been "detected".)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>4<SPAN class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"> </SPAN>I accept the
quantum of Planck's constant h - it and many of its predictions have been
experimentally verified. I also accept quantum electrodynamics. It is difficult
to understand and even more difficult to apply in calculations, but it also gets
answers that match experiment. But I do not accept quantum mechanics in its
entirety. The electron is a particle. Quantum mechanics uses wave equations
calculated by Schrödinger, Dirac and others to explain its observed properties.
With the appropriate manipulation a wave can be made to fit almost any
situation. Most of the "predictions" of quantum mechanics are fitted to the
measured results after they are obtained. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There is nothing in the origins of the de Broglie wavelength that suggests
it can influence anything other than a diffraction or scattering pattern in a
wave like manner. Quantum mechanics doesn't know what causes the spin of an
electron. This rotating "toroidal electromagnetic oscillation" model does give a
clear indication of spin as angular momentum, as first proposed by
Uhlenbeck and Goudsmit. Other properties like the quantised spin (only + half
hbar and - half hbar) as the only values, are a direct consequence of this
model. As I mentioned to John W some time ago, it is easy to show that, in the
Bohr planetary model of atoms, electron "orbits" being quantised according to
their de Broglie wavelength and the reason an electron does not collapse into
the nucleus, are both natural consequence of the structure of the electron and
nucleus. Like quantised spins, they don't need a quantum postulate to explain
them.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This brings me to the reason for this message. An experimentally observed
effect is reality if the experiment is adequately performed and reported. But
care must be exercised in interpreting the observed results in terms of
theories. Quantum mechanics doesn't know what causes the spin of a particle, but
that doesn't stop its proponents from using spin in calculations. Equally there
have been suggestions that some "quantum" effects such as entanglement are
caused by some factor(s) that is (are) not known at this stage. Is it fair for
quantum mechanics practitioners to use spin of unknown origin and say that
others can't use an unknown effect to explain say entanglement? If that is what
Bell's theorem predicts, explanation must be sought outside quantum mechanics.
(Upon reflection, the mere fact that we are attempting to produce a model of an
electron takes us outside quantum mechanics. In QM, the uncertainty principle
prevents anyone from knowing anything more accurately than hbar.)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Every theory should be able to be questioned at all times until it explains
all experimental results. While that is happening, the more information that is
available to more people, the more likely it is that the correct interpretation
of reality (whatever it is) will finally be achieved by people with vision such
as those in this group. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I hope all will regard this as a suggestion that the more useful
contributions received the better. Experiment must always remain the only
reality. That different approaches or theories give different explanations for
the same observation should not be cause for concern. Until reality (whatever it
is) is finally fully understood, consideration should be given to all
interpretations of valid experimental results that can explain some aspects of
observation, particularly to those that can predict unknown properties that can
be tested experimentally.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Vivian Robinson.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>On 27/03/2015, at 8:38 AM, "Chip Akins" <<A
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">chipakins@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV
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Martin<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>We
need your expertize, thoughts, and input.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Don’t
be disappointed because we still have questions which challenge certain items.
That is simply the history of science.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>My
hope is that, regardless of the direction the evidence takes us, we will
collectively and individually, come to a clearer understanding of the
remaining puzzles.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Warmest
Regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Chip<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>General [mailto:general-<A
href="mailto:bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</A>]<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>Mark, Martin van
der<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Thursday,
March 26, 2015 11:42 AM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Nature of Light and Particles -
General Discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [General] Group discussion at San
Diego<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p></o:p> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Dear
all,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">I
am deeply disappointed.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">My
careful explanation to those who are interested in the subject of non-locality
has not worked.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">You,
John D Chandra and Chip in particular should realize that I am not talking
about my own pet theories (like many in this group), but really try to explain
where science stands. I was advocating Feynman, Wheeler, Tetrode, and all
those experimentalists that work on entanglement.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">I
have little hope now anything good will come from this
group.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Goodbye.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Martion<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>General [<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</A>]<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf
Of</B>chandra<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>donderdag 26 maart 2015
17:34<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>'Nature of
Light and Particles - General Discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [General] Group discussion at San
Diego<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p></o:p> </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Dear Friends:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">As an individual scientist like one of you, I concur
with John D. and his followers. At this moment, I am abandoning my role as a
moderator! [I will take the moderator role during our discussion at San Diego
in August!]<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><A
name=_MailEndCompose><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">
However, purely from the stand point of preserving the philosophical breadth
in our discussion, I would restrain myself from the strong view of dropping
the thread (emission as a result of interaction by the absorber”) completely
and immediately; unless, of course, all of you agree to. Because, it may give
rise to, or evolve into, something productive; or it may become a dead-end
also; like say, the string theory! I do not know. I trust in the nature’s
drive towards promoting diversity of thinking among humans. DIVERSITY IN EVERY
SPHERE OF LIFE IS AT THE FOUNDATION OF EVOLUTIONARY SUSTAINABILITY. So, we
need to accommodate diversity of thinking among humans, as long as everybody
is intellectually honest and remains, deep in her/his mind and connects to
evolution congruency in some form or other.</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> Now, scientifically speaking,
let us visualize the physical processes in a gas laser behind the
spontaneous<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B><I>emission and
stimulated emission</I></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>under the constraints of the unique
vectorial velocity matching necessary for lasing to happen, given the spectral
Doppler broadening (Maxwellian velocity distribution of the gas atoms). The
length of the laser tube imposes physical and temporal separation
between the spontaneous and stimulated emitting atoms. Successful modeling
approach to temporal evolution of mode locked laser pulses clearly points to
the complete independence between the spontaneous and the stimulating atoms;
they are not<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B><I>entangled</I></B>!. This is, of
course, very true for spontaneous photons that started its journey from a
star, say, 10 billion light years past, and reaching my detector today on
earth. That photon, obviously could not have coordinated its emission
characteristics, including its Cosmological Redshift, well before the
invention of detection technology, or even the birth of the Sun!<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B><I>That is not a causal physics
model.<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></I></B>If we start with
a non-causal, but mathematically self-consistent theory to model measurable
data; we should not keep on claiming that my theory is correct simply because
it fits the measured data. A theory determines what and how we measure some
parameter. Something like this was said by none other than Alberto (our
Einstein)!<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B><I>This is a clear
example that we cannot anchor ourselves to the correctness of a theory simply
because it is corroborated by a “working”
theory.</I></B><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> I am attaching one of my
recent paper that further elaborates this issue.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Chandra.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>General [<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra=phys.uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chandra=phys.uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</A>]<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>John
Duffield<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:27
AM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>'Nature of
Light and Particles - General Discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [General] Group discussion at San
Diego<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p></o:p> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">John/Martin:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">I concur with Chip. I would urge you
to bury this “emission as a result of interaction by the absorber”. Emission
and absorption might be separated by 13.8 billion years, or 46 billion light
years. No way do they constitute the same spacetime event. Claiming that they
do is the sort of thing that could attract a crackpot label. Malicious people
might use it to discredit you along with everything else you say and do. And
of course, this group. Better to stick with hard scientific evidence of pair
production, electron diffraction, Einstein-de Haas etc, and the
self-confined-photon electron.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">I have little patience for spooky
action at a distance. What is it really? It isn’t some ansible. Or any kind of
time machine. You can’t even use it for instant messaging. I think it’s a
parlour trick, smoke and mirrors, quantum mysticism, or even a deliberate
fraud. Please have a look at<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=http://arxiv.org/abs/0707.0401
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0707.0401">http://arxiv.org/abs/0707.0401</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>where Travis Norsen says
this:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">“Many textbooks and commentators
report that Bell's theorem refutes the possibility (suggested especially by
Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosen in 1935) of supplementing ordinary quantum
theory with additional ("hidden") variables that might restore determinism
and/or some notion of an observer-independent reality. On this view, Bell's
theorem supports the orthodox Copenhagen interpretation. Bell's own view of
his theorem, however, was quite different”.</SPAN></EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">Also see work by Joy Christian:<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2007-November/001833.html
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2007-November/001833.html">Quantum
entanglement: is spookiness under threat?</A>and<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="http://arxiv.org/find/quant-ph/1/au:+Christian_J/0/1/0/all/0/1">http://arxiv.org/find/quant-ph/1/au:+Christian_J/0/1/0/all/0/1</A>.
All the mysticism is swept away by<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">rotations do not commute</SPAN></EM>.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">Regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">John D<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(245,245,245)"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=chipakins@gmail.com
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">Chip Akins</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(245,245,245)"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Thursday, March 26, 2015 1:23
PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(245,245,245)"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">'Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion'</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(245,245,245)"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [General] Group discussion at San
Diego<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Hi
Vivian<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Thank
you. I have downloaded your paper and am reading it. Of course I
immediately found the similarities between your electron model and mine.
Please see attached.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>I
completely concur that the Lorentz transformations are applied to confined
photon particles and that the structure, the EM wave structure, of these
particles is the cause for the Lorentz transformations, including length
contraction and time dilation. Simply due to the velocity limit of the
constituent waves. So, in that scenario, time, as we know it, is created, and
modified in various frames, for confined EM wave particles with velocity, by
the EM wave motions and interactions, and time is not an inherent property of
space. Time is the rate at which confined EM wave particles can react and
interact, and is created by the interaction of space and EM waves. Time is
simply a measurement of the rate of particle
interactions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>We
observe photons, waves, with physical properties. They exhibit length,
frequency, spin, etc. if we correctly apply Lorentz transformations to these
linear, light speed, waves, we see redshift, or blue shift, but we still see a
wave which has length and travels at light speed. We do not see the length of
the wave shrink to zero as we would for a confined wave particle. So we can
see for this simple example that Lorentz transformations do not apply in the
same sense as for confined wave particles. The reason that time stops
for a confined EM wave particle traveling at light speed, is simply that the
waves are traveling at their maximum velocity in the direction of motion, so
they cannot travel in their particle trajectory, and they cannot interact with
any adjacent particles moving along with them. This specific scenario
however does not apply to the naturally linear moving
photon.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>The
view that a photon is exchanged in a single point in space time has some
associated problems. Let’s consider the implications of that
view.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>If
a photon exists only at a single point in spacetime it would not be able to
have any frequency or wavelength properties. If a photon is emitted and
absorbed at the same point in spacetime, it cannot have, perhaps billions, of
cycles of its inherent frequency, in the space between emitter and absorber,
because there is no space between emitter and
absorber.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Another
implication of the “single point in spacetime” approach is the
predetermination of events. So let’s say a photon in a distant galaxy
millions of light years away, strikes the retina of your eye on a starry night
some evening next week. The single point in spacetime approach makes that
photon, in its reference frame, predetermine events, in your reference frame,
millions of years in the future. Or it could mean that with every action we
make, we change the past for the rest of the universe. Neither of these
options appear reasonable.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Those
are a few of the reasons why I think there is something amiss in the single
point in spacetime “solution” to photon exchange. I do feel there is a
reasonable answer, I just don’t think we have it yet.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Chip<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>General [<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</A>]<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>Vivian
Robinson<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:22
PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Nature of Light
and Particles - General Discussion<BR><B>Cc:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>John Macken<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [General] Group discussion at San
Diego<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Dear
Chandra, Chip, Martin and All,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Chandra
I am please to see you moderating this discussion, keeping people
focussed.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>My
point of view is that all matter is composed of rotating photons that make two
revolutions per wavelength. Some of the predictions from that model, as
related to the electron are given in my paper, reference link
below.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="http://www.la-press.com/a-proposal-for-the-structure-and-properties-of-the-electron-article-a2645">http://www.la-press.com/a-proposal-for-the-structure-and-properties-of-the-electron-article-a2645</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Chip
you will see in that presentation I have suggested that it is this rotating
photon structure of matter that is responsible for the half hbar spin of all
individual sub atomic particles, for E = mc**2 and the relativistic
corrections of mass, length and time with velocity. As such the special
relativity corrections are not something that is imposed upon matter by any
nature of space-time. It is this structure that is responsible for those
special relativity corrections. I have also made some experimentally testable
predictions based upon that model and hope that, at some time in the future
some of those predictions will be tested. The simplest is the change the
electron's radius with velocity.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>I
also agree with Martin's comments about experiment being the arbiter of truth.
It is no good having a theory which dispenses with any properly measured
phenomena. In the space-time continuum, a photon traveling at c is a point. In
its own time frame, it is no sooner emitted than it is absorbed. I would like
to be so bold as to suggest that does not mean that the absorber has to know
that the emitter has emitted the photon and ready itself to receive
it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>A
point in one frame of reference is not necessarily a point in another frame of
reference. Electronic circuit diagrams are every bit as good a communications
medium as are mathematics. Those of you familiar with them will often see two
components on a circuit diagram joined by or at a single point. When it comes
to the reality of constructing the circuit, that point finishes up being a
line or connecting wire that can extend from one end of the circuit to the
other. A point in space-time is not necessarily a point in space. As
astronomers measure, photons leaving galaxies are red shifted when they are
detected, a phenomenon that will not occur in a
point.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>One
of my reasons for this email is to introduce John Macken to this group. John
is from California and has worked extensively with photons. I think we all
agree that an understanding of the nature of the photon is essential. John we
would like to receive your viewpoints on the photon but please, as the
implications of the topic are vast, restrict yourself to presentations of the
structure of the photon and its implications for the structure of electrons,
the main topics of this discussion group.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Vivian
Robinson<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>On
26/03/2015, at 7:38 AM, Richard Gauthier <<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Hello
Chandra, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>
That sounds like a good approach. I will prepare a set of discussion points
for my approach to the electron/photon and pass it to you and the others for
consideration.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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Richard<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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<DIV
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Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:18 AM, chandra <<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:chandra@phys.uconn.edu"
target=_blank>chandra@phys.uconn.edu</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Dear Friends:</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I am delighted to see that our discussions are
heading towards defining a fruitful platform. As Martin has done; each of
us need to unambiguously define our position pertaining to fundamental
postulates (“accepted beliefs”); which are at the root of our individual
theories for the discussion, “Electron</SPAN><SPAN><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><--> Photon”. This will
help us down select and define a very clear set of discussion-points that
would be possible to carry out within the 3-hour time we have on the
Thursday morning.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Of
course, we will be able to advance this discussion quite a bit over this
web-saved-emails, if all of us quickly define your positions regarding the
fundamental postulates behind the theories that we believe in and we are
using to advance your current models for electrons (photons). Then our
volunteer editors can collect and group them. Then we can
collectively iterate a few times and then we finalize the discussion-focal
points. If we do this soon, we will have time to even re-assess whether we
have succeeded in down selecting the best set of discussion issues while
email-based discussion keeps on advancing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Remember,
even though ours is “Special Conference” granted by SPIE; we still
need to conform to its basic rules behind the publication of SPIE
proceedings. Proceeding papers should be between 6 to 15 pages long, and
never to exceed 20-pages.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B><I>All papers in the
proceeding must have assigned conference numbers</I></B>. Obviously, our
“discussion papers” do not have numbers; as we have not submitted
abstracts for these papers yet.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Here
is a possible solution. My discussion with SPIE indicates that SPIE will
be happy to assign paper numbers like post deadline! Papers; if we edit
and group the output of our discussions into well-selected set of papers
(between 6 to 20 pages) and authored by appropriate set of discussion
participants. If all of you “sign up to this approach”; then we need to
pro-actively organize the discussions-points and
create<B><I>TENTATIVE</I></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>discussion groups who will author
specific discussion-papers. “Tentative” implies that we should be able to
re-organize our collective authorships, if necessary, as we finalize the
separation of discussion outcomes into a well-defined set of
papers.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Are
all of you willing to organize our discussions issues with this mode of
publication by several sub-groups, yet to be
defined?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><A
name=14c51ba2edf82b59__MailEndCompose><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>General [mailto:<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:general-bounces%2Bchandra"
target=_blank>general-bounces+chandra</A>=<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:phys.uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
target=_blank>phys.uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</A>]<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>Mark, Martin van
der<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:38
AM</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN><BR><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Nature of Light and Particles -
General Discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [General] Group discussion at
San Diego<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Dear
Chip,</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">let
me start by answering your questions (not because John cannot do it, but
he is doing a lot of answering
already)</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">First
of all you are right in saying that it is not the whole story, something
else is going on as well.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">But
first we have to get a few things very
straight.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">What
I know as being correct knowledge, as a professional physicist, is what I
will describe below. Correct knowledge is that knowledge that science has
approved of to be the closest to the truth as we presently know. Not more,
and also not any less.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">(Special)
relativity is essentially correct, it describes experiment, including time
dilation, twin paradox, etc.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">The
foundation of the theory is that the speed of light is the same for all
observers. The consequence is that clocks flying at high speed seem to be
slow (the clock thinks the same of stationary you). Clocks will stop
ticking in the limit where they would move at light speed. At the same
time space is contracted, the clocks look short. No size (in the direction
of motion) will remain when at light
speed.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Conclusion:
something that goes at the speed of light does not see any time or space,
it is there but contracted to nothing at all. Something that happens, but
without space or time interval. This is what we call an event. It is a
point in space-time.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">If
you cannot agree with the above, you cannot agree with physics as it
stands. It may not be the whole story, but the bit I described is the
consistent truth to our very best knowledge. One cannot dismiss it out of
hand, or even with a lot of experiments, because a zillion experiments
have confirmed this already. There may be an additional subtlety that has
been overlooked, but then one has to point out that subtlety very
precisely.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Now
there are at least two extra things to the story you want to talk about,
some subtleties you may call them, but before I go into those, I want to
point out something else that we know to our very best knowledge. It is
the single most puzzling thing, I believe, in physics
today.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">It
is the experimental result of the EPR-experiments, the quantum
teleportation, quantum eraser, and other quantum entanglement experiments,
see Bell inequalities and GHZ entanglement. The result of these
experiments is the proof that space is non-local for entangled quantum
states. That may be a part of a very limited set of states describing
normal life, but it shows that space is not simply what normal
reason of local causality makes of
it.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Again
I have so far not done any speculation, this is what the situation in
physics is.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">From
here it is still nothing new really, it is only just taking the full
consequences of the above, but it is not an embedded piece of knowledge in
the whole body of physics.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">So
now it comes; These results can be understood completely if we look at
them from the point of view of emission as a result of interaction by the
absorber!!!!!! In all their weirdness, this is how it actually seems to be
workings.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Interaction
of the emitter and absorber to exchange a photon is saying that the photon
is part of an event (or that two entangled photons [emitted from a singlet
state] are part of a single event with one emitter and two absorbers). The
emitter and absorber(s) are one at that
event.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">This
notion unifies the idea of non-locality and emission of light, AS A
CONSEQUENCE OF THE LIGHTSPEED BEING CONSTANT FOR ALL
ABSORBERS.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Now
you can choose to dismiss it or not.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">There
here are the mentioned two
subtleties:</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<P
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">1)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">
<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">light is quantized, we are talking about
photons. That is not a required part of relativity, but it is not clear to
me how it would upset it. Or is it
perhaps..?</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">2)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">
<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Light does not really go at the speed of
light or rather it is, but I mean photons are not really going at
the speed of light. The near-field part of the excitation or the limited
distance between emission and absorption (it is not infinite) puts
boundaries on it and pulls the total emission slightly off the
energy-momentum shell, hence it is ever, ever,ever so slightly slow….
(only the radiative part is light speed and rigorously
on-shell)</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Well
John, or anybody else, may add what is missing! I have to
go…</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Best
regards, Martin</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, sans-serif; COLOR: navy">Dr.
Martin B. van der Mark</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>General [<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
target=_blank>mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</A>]<B>On
Behalf Of<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>Chip
Akins<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>woensdag 25 maart 2015
13:35<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>'Nature
of Light and Particles - General Discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [General] Group discussion at
San Diego</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Hi
John W<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Still
working on coming to grips with emission and absorption
interactions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Lots
of opinion follows…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>I
feel that photon exchange, and virtual particle exchange, is a mechanism
we can demonstrate and is a required part of our understanding, at least
for many short range interactions. However I do not feel the “single
point in spacetime” approach provides the answer. I believe that photons
are very simple linear, principally transverse, quantized wave structures.
And that mater is made of wave structures as well. And as such photons are
responsible for creating relativity. Photons are then the
fundamental upon which relativity is built, and are not subject to the
spacetime velocity transformations, but rather are the cause for these
transformations being required for mater.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Imagine
an asteroid or planet orbiting a star a billion light years away.
Now envision the past light cone for an absorber on that asteroid or
planet. If photons zig, zagged in their paths to their destination,
the popular concept could work for absorption and emission. But of
course they travel in “straight” lines in spacetime. Even if an absorber
can see all of its past light cone at one point in space time, it still
does not correctly explain photon exchange. There is something else
going on here, something is missing, and something that is not really
there has been “added” to try to explain things. I feel we have reached
for an explanation which is convenient, but an error, and that we do not
yet have the real answer to this issue.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Still
eager to understand.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Chip<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>General [<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
target=_blank>mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</A>]<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>John
Williamson<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:28
PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Nature of
Light and Particles - General Discussion<BR><B>Cc:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Anthony Booth; Hans De
Raedt<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re:
[General] Group discussion at San
Diego</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif">Dear Chip and
everyone,<BR><BR>I am trying to start to get my act together in
preparation for August, and just came across the keynote talk from Carver
Mead from nature of light and particles 5. It is available here
:<BR><BR><A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="http://natureoflight.org/"
target=_blank>http://natureoflight.org/</A><BR><BR>It addresses the very
issue of interaction with the absorber we discussed earlier. In my opinion
it is spot on - even though the answer to the last question (similar to
your worry Chip) was rather weak - that a lot of people have trouble with
resonances over million year plus-time scales. Indeed.<BR><BR>I think the
proper way to view this is, as I said, from the point of view of the
observer being in touch with all points on the lightcone at previous
times, not that the emitter sees all "future" times all over the universe.
This is a "pull" not a "push" for the direction of causality. The observer
says "hit me!". The past is happy to oblige - zillions of hits per second
painting the universe of your perceptions.<BR><BR>Now I enjoyed Carver
Mead's book thoroughly a few years ago when I first came across it (thanks
Nick) and he is one person I would very much like to meet if I'm coming to
California. That man can really think - and think freely. Is he
coming to this one, and, if not, can anyone introduce me? He would be a
most excellent person to have on the group. Another excellent chap - and I
have just finished reading some spectacularly interesting work of his- is
Tony Booth (copied above). Tony is a real engineer (I am in an engineering
department but I can tell the difference). Please add him to the general
discussion group!<BR><BR>Further to this whole developing endeavour. I am
perfectly delighted to try and give classes on any aspect of the new
theory - or to help bring people up to speed on some of the other relevant
theories and areas in my areas of expertise - in quantum mechanics
(relativistic or ordinary), experimental solid state physics, elementary
particle physics (including QED, the standard model and various field
theories), and relativity (special or general). Another favourite theme of
mine is current problems and mysteries in Science as a whole. Another
possibility is a question and answer session on "how stuff works". I'm
particularly interested in questions I cannot answer. We should make a
list!<BR><BR>I expect lots of you to contribute and educate me in areas
where I am weak such as optics, photonics, atomic physics to name but a
very few (my ignorance is, almost, boundless). Martin and I are quite used
to this as we both belong to an international study club (I was a founder
member - but it is still going strong after a quarter of a century) which
does this sort of thing regularly. It is BIG fun! I'm sure there will
be a lot of input from others in the group in developing aspects of
the above theories where, I am sure, many of you go beyond me.<BR><BR>I
already have tens of hours of lecture material prepared and am perfectly
happy to go on for multiple hours at a time (if people can stand it). I
just gave four hours of lectures on-the-trot yesterday (then had lunch and
gave another one). I am quite used to it - and it would be much more fun
than the first year vector and complex number maths given in two of the
lectures today. If a room can be made available either before or after the
conference with a projector and board all would be welcome. I know Martin
would be prepared to talk on his areas of expertise as well, and I'm sure
others of the more senior group would be delighted to help educate the
younger ones as well.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><BR>We could, further, invite
anyone from industry who was interested in new, linear, paradigms for
developing and thinking about new kinds of materials, devices and systems
for a further session, perhaps after the conference proper. This may have
the added advantage of snowballing into some other meetings and prospects
for the future.<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><BR>What
does everyone think?<BR><BR>Regards,
John.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 12pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>General
[general-bounces+john.williamson=<A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
target=_blank>glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</A>] on
behalf of chandra [<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple"
href="mailto:chandra@phys.uconn.edu"
target=_blank>chandra@phys.uconn.edu</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Monday, March 09, 2015 7:02
PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>'Nature of
Light and Particles - General Discussion'<BR><B>Cc:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Hans De
Raedt<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[General] Group discussion at San
Diego</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN>Dear
Out-of-Box “Electron Modelers”:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">We are arranging for a special 3-hour (8 to 11AM)
discussion session, especially, for this group, on Thursday, August, 13,
2015. The title has been deliberately chosen as a somewhat open ended
question:</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">“Are electrons oscillating photons or oscillations
of the vacuum itself?”</SPAN></I></B><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If needed, the 3-huor duration would be flexible;
and we can add an extra hour. During the main conference schedule, all of
you have been given the standard 20-minute slots. This compensating
discussion period provides all of you a better forum to debate and further
develop your concepts.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I will take the role of the Moderator. I would
need a couple of volunteer editors from your “Electron Modeling” group.
Feel free to suggest their names. Obviously, I am looking for “volunteers”
who are very respectful to logically self-consistent views of others in
spite of those views being counter to their personal views. All of you
will be given the opportunity to present the summary of your views, as
well-articulated issues/point-of-views to promote discussions. Duration of
this first presentation will be short (5
minutes??).</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The ideas presented above are suggestions, and
obviously, they are not set in stone; since we want to maximize the
scientific outcome of this discussion. So, please, feel free to send me
your suggestions through this “General Forum” to develop a better approach
towards our ultimate ambitious goal: The correct ontological model of the
electron!</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I am soliciting also suggestions and editorial
support regarding how to incorporate the summary of this discussion
in the SPIE proceeding. The turn-around time has to be less than a month.
Normally, SPIE publishes many of the proceedings pre-conference
publication available during the conference. We have been holding out for
post-conference. We must finalize everything by the end of
September.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Please, develop concepts and ideas on how to
summarize the discussion/debate and also relate them to your individual
papers. Remember that SPIE proceeding rule is 10-page limit for individual
articles.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Also remember, while preparing your papers and
presentations that our dominant SPIE audience consists of engineering.
Engineers think in terms emulating nature allowed processes in different
permutations and combinations to create new working tools and
technologies, in spite of their incomplete understanding of the deeper
complete theory. So, try to add relevant experiments to illustrate the
deeper ontological processes that may be going on in nature; even though
you are speculating them with your mathematical
models.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">
</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Sincerely,</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Chandra.</SPAN><SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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