<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Dear Chandra,<br><br></div>Thank you for keeping us focused and realistic in what we hope to accomplish. Also thx for the schedule of papers.<br><br></div>Dear Chip,<br><br></div>Thank you for starting the list of topics. You've laid out a decade of work. However, it does give us a point from which to orient ourselves and focus on specifics within the list (probably combining parts of it).<br><br></div>Andrew<br>______________________________________<br><div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 10:30 PM, chandra <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chandra@phys.uconn.edu" target="_blank">chandra@phys.uconn.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Andrew, Chip, (and Mary, Rachel), and All others: Please, remember that SPIE has already announced the discussion as an well-defined topic:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> “Are electrons oscillating photons or oscillations of the vacuum itself?” <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We need to remain focused on generating content directly addressing this issue. Of course, “Photon < -- > Electron”, debate can actually cover all of physics! So, we should remain focused on bringing out all physics issues that are presented as directly relevant to the announced discussion topic. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We just need to keep on iterating and refining the discussion sub-topics relevant to “Photon < -- > Electron”, such that most of the important physics issues, being promoted by different members, logically connects to the announced topic.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Here is a possible suggestions to accommodate as much as possible within the currently accepted papers:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I would suggest that individual members of this group drafts their complete manuscripts as soon as possible and then start refining them based on the web discussions going on; citing properly the ideas of other members.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ideas that does not fit into the planned papers (also to be presented in the regular program) should become the subject of a set of new papers authored by groups and individuals. This, we should start thinking planning actively between now and the time of conference. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Remember that SPIE has already declared regular papers are due by the conference start time. We can push that to the end of August, at best! And the “NEW” discussion generated papers must be submitted latest by the end of September, if not earlier. We should take these deadlines as absolute in our minds. SPIE publishes many proceedings that are available on-site; the rest by September-October. SPIE would not accept these delayed dead-lines as officially accepted! <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sincerely,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Chandra.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="14c62376c4d7f7a3_14c61544be4a00ab__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> <u></u><u></u></span></a></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> General [mailto:<a href="mailto:general-bounces%2Bchandra" target="_blank">general-bounces+chandra</a>=<a href="mailto:phys.uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank">phys.uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chip Akins<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 28, 2015 10:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> [General] Topics<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Some suggested topics.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:black">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">The nature of time<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:black">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">The nature of space<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:black">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">The properties and structure for photons.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:black">4.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">The speed of light<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:black">5.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">The properties and structure of an electron.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:black">6.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">Confinement of a photon to create an electron<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:black">7.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">Particle Spin<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:black">8.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">Entanglement, Pilot waves, hidden variable theory with non-commuting variables,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:black">9.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">Pair production, electrons from photons, annihilation, photons from electrons.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Chip<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> General [<a href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Meulenberg<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 28, 2015 1:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> [General] Post Deadline! papers<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear Friends,<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">It looks as if Chandra has found an option within the SPIE framework that will allow us to proceed in a semi-organized manner. Let us take advantage of that. We also need to take advantage of our volunteers and help them as much as possible.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Mary (Dr. Mary Fletcher and wife of Bob Hudgins) and Rachel (my wife, a very quick learner) have volunteered to try and put together, in some form, a presentation poster of the many people and positions of this 'group'. They will not be able to read all of the email exchanges and extract the necessary (and filter out the unnecessary) comments of the group. They will need pointed inputs. I have volunteered to help them get started. To be successful, this effort will required each member of the group to contribute their own position (even if they are not planning on attending the conference itself).<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">This group is a bunch of volunteers already. However, we are all, by our natures, independent and 'mavericks' (and maybe over- committed). Trying to organize an effort involving something that all of us hold dear will not be easy. We can start with a few steps. You can:<u></u><u></u></p><ol start="1" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal">Identify if you will be able to attend the conference or not. We can post (& update) a probable list of attendees and titles of any papers submitted (accepted) on the website. Submit to subject: 'attendance'<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">submit an individual position statement into the subject thread to be labeled 'positions'. It can be updated as new topics are discussed & integrated.<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">identify topics for 'workshops' that you would be interested in attending. Submit to subject: 'topics'<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">Volunteer to chair specific (or any of the) small workshops and to present (on the last morning) & to write up (within 2 weeks of the meeting) the meeting action/results/conclusions/etc. Submit to subject: 'volunteers'<u></u><u></u></li></ol><p>Thank you,<u></u><u></u></p><p>Andrew<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">___________________________<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:18 AM, chandra <<a href="mailto:chandra@phys.uconn.edu" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">chandra@phys.uconn.edu</span></a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear Friends:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I am delighted to see that our discussions are heading towards defining a fruitful platform. As Martin has done; each of us need to unambiguously define our position pertaining to fundamental postulates (“accepted beliefs”); which are at the root of our individual theories for the discussion, “Electron</span> <--> Photon”. This will help us down select and define a very clear set of discussion-points that would be possible to carry out within the 3-hour time we have on the Thursday morning.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Of course, we will be able to advance this discussion quite a bit over this web-saved-emails, if all of us quickly define your positions regarding the fundamental postulates behind the theories that we believe in and we are using to advance your current models for electrons (photons). Then our volunteer editors can collect and group them. Then we can collectively iterate a few times and then we finalize the discussion-focal points. If we do this soon, we will have time to even re-assess whether we have succeeded in down selecting the best set of discussion issues while email-based discussion keeps on advancing.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Remember, even though ours is “Special Conference” granted by SPIE; we still need to conform to its basic rules behind the publication of SPIE proceedings. Proceeding papers should be between 6 to 15 pages long, and never to exceed 20-pages. <b><i>All papers in the proceeding must have assigned conference numbers</i></b>. Obviously, our “discussion papers” do not have numbers; as we have not submitted abstracts for these papers yet.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Here is a possible solution. My discussion with SPIE indicates that SPIE will be happy to assign paper numbers like post deadline! Papers; if we edit and group the output of our discussions into well-selected set of papers (between 6 to 20 pages) and authored by appropriate set of discussion participants. If all of you “sign up to this approach”; then we need to pro-actively organize the discussions-points and create<b><i>TENTATIVE</i></b> discussion groups who will author specific discussion-papers. “Tentative” implies that we should be able to re-organize our collective authorships, if necessary, as we finalize the separation of discussion outcomes into a well-defined set of papers.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Are all of you willing to organize our discussions issues with this mode of publication by several sub-groups, yet to be defined?<span><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></p></div><span><font color="#888888"><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Chandra. <u></u><u></u></p></font></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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