<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://3804/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span style="font-size: 13px; ">Dear Andrew and Mary,</span><div style="font-size: 13px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 13px; ">Thank you for volunteering to assist organising this event. I hope you can assist with the following email. John Macken is based in California and has worked extensively on photons as well as having some ideas about the structure of matter that have characteristics similar to our double hooped rotating photon electromagnetic model of the electron. He has attended SPIE conferences in the past and would like to contribute to this discussion. I believe he has a contribution to make. As the message below indicates, he has not been able to get involved. Is there any way you, or anyone else, could get John into this discussion group? </div><div style="font-size: 13px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 13px; ">The following is an SPIE reference to some of his work.</div><div style="font-size: 13px; ">Reference: Macken JA, <i>Spacetime-Based Model of EM Radiation</i>, Proc. SPIE 8832, <i>The Nature of Light: What are Photons?</i> 88320Q (2013)</div><div style="font-size: 13px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 13px; ">Your assistance is appreciated.</div><div style="font-size: 13px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 13px; ">Regards,</div><div style="font-size: 13px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 13px; ">Vivian Robinson</div><div style="font-size: 13px; "><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 30/03/2015, at 12:37 PM, John Macken <<a href="mailto:john@macken.com">john@macken.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Hello Vivian,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Thank you very much for assisting me in my effort to join the discussion group. I have made several requests to be added to the list of approved participants, but so far I have not been approved. I would like to tell you the history so perhaps you can assist or advise me. <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">After I first heard about the existence of the group from your email, I attempted to obtain more information from you, but you did not respond immediately so I wrote to Chandra about this and another subject. In the email that I received from him he said,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">"Dear John: You are definitely welcomed to participate in this discussion (Thursday). There is no restriction in this participation."<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">This all sounded very hopeful, but there was no information about the mechanics of actually joining the group. I wrote back to him asking for this information, but I did not receive a reply.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Next, I wrote John Robertson using an email address that I found on the internet. He did not answer. I was concerned about writing to the address: <<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>> because I have no idea about the number of people that would receive the email. Finally, on March 25 I did write an email to that address explaining my past participation in the Nature of Light Conference and my interest particle models. I received back the following reply:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; ">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; ">From: General [mailto:general-<a href="mailto:bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] On Behalf Of<a href="mailto:general-owner@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">general-owner@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; ">Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:25 AM<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; ">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:john@macken.com" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">john@macken.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; ">Subject: Your message to General awaits moderator approval<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; ">Your mail to 'General' with the subject<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; "> Nature of Light and Particles - Request<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; ">Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; ">The reason it is being held:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; "> Post by non-member to a members-only list<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: maroon; ">Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/confirm.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/1751045ea19ed7bd221099a8114cbdebb5e1ab8e" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/confirm.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/1751045ea19ed7bd221099a8114cbdebb5e1ab8e</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">It has been 4 days since receiving that email and I still have not heard back whether I will be added to the list. Also on March 25 you sent an email addressed to:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">“Dear Chandra, Chip, Martin and All,”<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">In this email you graciously introduced me to the group. While I was previously invited to join by Chandra, apparently my name has never been officially added to the list. Apparently the list moderator has to approve this request. I would appreciate any assistance you can give on this subject. Even if I am not approved to join the group, I still would like to be informed of this decision also.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">John Macken<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>