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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">My dear Chip,<br>
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There is absolutely nothing to apologise about. I should apologise as well, if it comes to that, for singling that thing out (when there is much more in the general discussion we have all been having). It is only through discussion, and seeing what others make
of an exposition, that one can find the flaws in ones own presentations. Provided the questioner is serious and thoughtful, and of good will, it is pretty much, for me, the most valuable thing there is!<br>
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So thank you for getting the wrong end of the stick there. This particular one (together with Richard going the same way) - has been very valuable to me. The fault lies, if any, in our poor explanation of just what we are talking about - a fault I will try
to rectify in future work.<br>
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Regards, John.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 02, 2015 11:26 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi John W and Martin</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I would like to apologize for referring to your model form the 1997 paper as based on a “charge ribbon”.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">That was clearly an erroneous oversimplification. Will change the wording in my discussions and papers to try to avoid misrepresenting.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Your work has been a tremendous inspiration and I do not want to misrepresent it in any way.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Warmest Regards</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Duffield<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 01, 2015 9:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:blue">Chip:</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:blue">It is interesting, isn’t it? Here’s another one:</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">With a small correction factor Δ related to binding energy, we can say this:</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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= 1.60218 </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:#222222">×</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black"> 10<sup>-19</sup> Coulombs
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black" lang="EN">ε</span></i><sub><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black" lang="EN">0
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black" lang="EN">4</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">π = 12.56637061</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">c<sup>3 </sup>= 26.94400241 x 10<sup>24</sup></span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">With no correction for binding energy we can calculate electron charge as:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">√(</span><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black" lang="EN">ε</span></i><sub><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black" lang="EN">0</span></sub><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:#222222">/4</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">πc<sup>3</sup>)
= √(</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black" lang="EN">8.854187817 </span>
<span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:#222222">×</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black" lang="EN"> 10<sup>-12
</sup></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">/ 338.5883200</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:#222222">×</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">10<sup>24</sup>) = √(2.6150304
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:#222222">×</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black"> 10<sup>-38</sup>) = 1.61710
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">This is within 1% of the measured value of 1.60218
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:#222222">×</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black"> 10<sup>-19</sup> Coulombs.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:blue">Regards</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:blue">John D</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:black">
<a href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com" title="chipakins@gmail.com" target="_blank">
Chip Akins</a> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:black"> Wednesday, April 01, 2015 2:56 PM</span></p>
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<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" title="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank">
'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'</a> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:black"> Re: [General] Nature of Light
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi John D</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Interesting stuff about Planck’s constant.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">2.42631 </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:#222222">×</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black"> 10<sup>-12</sup> m is the physical wavelength of the confined photon in my electron
model.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">Chip</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> General [<a href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Duffield<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 01, 2015 3:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Nature of Light and Particles - Request</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">The paper looks interesting. If you wish I’ll get back to you on it properly at a later date. Meanwhile take a look at
<a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9610066" title="http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9610066" target="_blank">
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9610066</a> and at <a href="http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/19084/" title="http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/19084/" target="_blank">
http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/19084/</a> by a medical doctor called Andrew Worsley. He talks about “harmonic quintessence”, and stuff like this:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black" lang="EN">Planck units are based on the properties of space. The Planck length is
<span class="digits">1.616199×10<sup>−35</sup> metres. It’s </span>defined using the speed of light, Planck’s constant of action h, and the gravitational constant G. It can be written (using the reduced Planck’s constant) as ℓ<sub>P</sub>=√(ћG/c³). We can replace
√(ћG) with 4πn where n is a suitable value with appropriate dimensionality. The expression 4πn/√c³ still yields the Planck length. But if we now set n to the value 1 whilst retaining its dimensionality, then with a very small correction factor
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">δ </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black" lang="EN">related to binding energy, the result is a different length. It is however familiar:
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2.42631 </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:#222222">×</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black"> 10<sup>-12</sup> metres
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:black">
<a href="mailto:viv@etpsemra.com.au" title="viv@etpsemra.com.au" target="_blank">
Vivian Robinson</a> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:black"> Wednesday, April 01, 2015 2:49 AM</span></p>
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<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" title="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank">
Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion</a> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">John,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">You are in. I look forward to receiving your contributions to the structure of photons and electrons.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Cheers,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Vivian Robinson</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">On 01/04/2015, at 9:26 AM, "chandra" <<a href="mailto:chandra@phys.uconn.edu" target="_blank">chandra@phys.uconn.edu</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">Welcome, John M.!</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">I am glad to see that you are “on board” finally!</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">Please, feel free to read up the “archived” discussions and present your views using brief quotations to remind the readers the connection to the earlier discussions.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">Chandra.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">Michael: Please, send out the instructions as to how to access the archived discussions.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:black">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:black">General
[mailto:general-<a href="mailto:bounces+chandra=phys.uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954F72">bounces+chandra=phys.uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John Macken<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, March 25, 2015 12:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954F72">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I am very interested models of the internal structure of an electron and other particles. I have a paper that will be published next month which deals with particles, fields and forces. A preprint is available
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I believe that I can make significant contributions to your discussion group.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Sincerely,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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