<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yiv7358967654"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_12242"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_12241"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733"><span id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_11247">All,</span></div><div id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733"><span id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10867">FWIW I am not proposing a particular electron model. My interest is photon-based elementary particles. A vetting model may come of the effort.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733"><span id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_11041">As John W points out, bosons may be the building blocks for leptons and quarks. While this may be true on a limited basis, I'm all for yet another level of quanta-only particles below the bosons. What are bosons made of? So there may be common ground between our two approaches from different directions.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733"><span id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_11021">However, I'm looking primarily at three electron models: </span>John W and Martin, and Richard's two models. I simply have not reviewed sufficiently the models by Vivian, by Chip, and by John M. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733">IMHO parametric equations, especially Richard's, are a very essential step toward topological characteristics and solutions. A rigorous paper on electrons and photons, or the whole standard model, would address this form of equations. However, the parametric equations do not stand alone but need to be linked to GRT and QM, preferably QCD and QED.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733">The current difficulty is that energy density is not addressed by the current set of parametric equations. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733">Even if we had internal models of the electron, photon and quanta, we would still have many mountains to climb and many miles to show how these models fit the wider universe of photons, electronics, spintronics, and plasmonics.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733">So about the best I can do is ask questions and summarize vetting criteria, and in doing so, hopefully show where the line is between impossible and improbable so that Holmes can be invoked. To wit, "<span style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_13204">When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733">Of course, if we add another dimension or change certain assumptions, we may need to review the cutting room floor for ideas vetted as impossible and reconsider them. Alas, we live in a 3D world which is a simplified for practical purposes from a 4D model. We may find that a 5D model will be required, or the possibility of another layer of particles/quanta below the Standard Model. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733">Clearly the experimental tools we have are a bit awkward to use at the level of the individual photon or electron. We may need to build molecular level systems that have elementary particle sensors, and these systems communicate by radio, fiber or wire to a larger system such as a workstation or iPhone. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10733"><br></div>Best Regards,</div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_12241"><br></div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_12241"><br></div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_12241">David<br clear="none"> <blockquote id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10737" style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <div id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10736" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10735" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv7358967654yqt4947449063" id="yiv7358967654yqt03525"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10734"> <hr id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10754" size="1"> <font id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10738" size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Richard Gauthier <richgauthier@gmail.com><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 17, 2015 10:26 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [General] Position<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv7358967654y_msg_container" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10742"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv7358967654"><div id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10744"><div class="yiv7358967654" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10743">Andrew and others,</div><div class="yiv7358967654" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_10745"> I am proposing that an electron IS a helically circulating charged photon. A muon and a tau can also be helically circulating charged photons with different rest energies than the electron. These circulating charged photons (i.e. the electron and also the positron) would be derived for example from the energy of a higher energy photon during pair production in the vicinity of an atomic nucleus. The circulating charged photon of an electron or positron is proposed to have spin 1/2 hbar instead of spin 1 hbar of an uncharged photon (I would like to hear if John W and Martin, Vivian, and Chip agree or disagree on this point about the spin of the circulating double-looped photon being 1/2 hbar due to the electron having this spin at relativistic velocities. This is an important point for both single and double-looped photon models of the electron.) The circulating charged photon has the properties c=f lambda, p=h/lambda and E=hf of an uncharged photon. Its helical circulation and its electric charge are closely related. The general double-loop relativistic charged photon model of an electron does not include a specific model of a charged photon. Various charged photon models can be proposed that would fit the relativistic electron model. I am not proposing a strange type of photon that in special circumstances becomes an electron, but rather ordinary photons or other normal high energy particles that produce circulating charged photons (electrons and positrons) during electron-positron pair production.</div><div class="yiv7358967654" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_11047"> Richard</div><br clear="none" class="yiv7358967654"><div id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_11045"><blockquote class="yiv7358967654" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_11044" type="cite"><div class="yiv7358967654qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv7358967654yqt4328762826" id="yiv7358967654yqt08350"><div class="yiv7358967654" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_11046">On Apr 17, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Andrew Meulenberg <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7358967654" ymailto="mailto:mules333@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com">mules333@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="yiv7358967654Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="yiv7358967654" id="yiv7358967654yui_3_16_0_1_1429331647795_11043"><div class="yiv7358967654" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv7358967654"><div class="yiv7358967654">Dear Richard,<br clear="none" class="yiv7358967654"><br clear="none" class="yiv7358967654"></div>In looking at your presentation, I was concerned about what the charged photon was supposed to be. Is it an electron? I refer to the photonic electron as general model for an electron that is derived from all or a portion of a photon and still retains much of the photon's characteristics. Are you referring to a specific model of a similar creature? Or, are you refering to a strange photon of a type that, under special circumstances, becomes an electron?<br clear="none" class="yiv7358967654"><br clear="none" class="yiv7358967654"></div>Andrew<br clear="none" class="yiv7358967654"><div class="yiv7358967654"><div class="yiv7358967654"><div class="yiv7358967654">___________________________________________-<br clear="none" class="yiv7358967654"><br clear="none" class="yiv7358967654">On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Richard Gauthier <span class="yiv7358967654" dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7358967654" ymailto="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none" class="yiv7358967654"><div class="yiv7358967654" style="word-wrap:break-word;">Chandra, Andrew and others,<div class="yiv7358967654">
My presentation at APS in Baltimore on Tuesday went well in that in
10 minutes I presented the material as planned. The session had about 10
attendees, and was moderated by a professor of theoretical high energy
physics from SLAC (This was very good). My powerpoint for the session is
attached below.</div></div><br clear="none" class="yiv7358967654"><div class="yiv7358967654">The
moderator asked a question indicating that she had misunderstood
(perhaps because of the way I expressed it) a main idea in my electron
model. She thought that because I proposed that the electron is a
circulating charged photon, that this implies that gamma for the
electron model is infinite, making the model absurd. But in the model,
while the circulating charged photon’s velocity is c along its helical
path, it is the charged photon's longitudinal component velocity v that
corresponds to v of the electron. The experimentally measured velocity v
of the electron is always less than c, so gamma in the model is normal
and not infinite. I didn’t have time to clarify this to her after my
talk so I will try to do so by email. I hope no one in this group has
the professor’s misunderstanding of my model on this point.</div> Richard<br clear="none" class="yiv7358967654"></div></div></div></div>
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