<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yiv3523547647"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_5056"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_5055"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3599"><span id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5564">Martin</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3599"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3599"><span id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5612">I found the "Light is Heavy" paper at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5615" target="_blank" href="http://nnvaq.tue.nl/atoq/2000/BIJDRAGE-vdMark-tHooft.pdf">http://nnvaq.tue.nl/atoq/2000/BIJDRAGE-vdMark-tHooft.pdf</a></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3599"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3599">From the paper...</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3599"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3599"><span>></span><span class="yiv3523547647" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3702" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-size:11pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">And then there is E=mc^2…. Which means that ANY kind of energy is mass and vice versa.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><span style="font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_16880">Is that math or physics? Can the second statement be experimentally shown or is it just a stipulated premise and a nod to Einstein? Can we have mass without energy? No, could argue mass has energy internally. So it seems to be an accounting issue where either mass or energy can be used.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><span style="font-size: 16px;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><span style="font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_16881" class="">Ah, here's a good question...is mass </span><span style="font-size: 16px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_17003">or energy </span><span style="font-size: 16px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_16887">at the center of physics? That is like saying is statics or dynamics at the center of physics. Perhaps it's just our frame of reference but it might just be nothing more than a point of view.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245">The original Einstein statement is that m = E/c^2 which implies that mass is a special sub category of energy, perhaps a state of energy in the energy-momentum universe. Mass is simply one of many energy states. Conservation of mass is required in classical physics, but is not always reliable at the quantum level which is why I prefer energy-momentum in 4D and exploring energy density in a 5x5 matrix of 5D theory. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245">So one suggestion is that mass-energy equivalence might be a secondary effect useful in intermediate calculations to obtain a positive or a negative numerical answer, even at quantum levels. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245">Oh, I realize that position is probably untenable given that Wilczek, 't Hooft and other past and pending Nobel prize winners would disagree. I've a bit of preference for George Bernard Shaw's reasoning that "...all progress depends on the unreasonable man." </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><span style="font-size: 16px;" class=""><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><span style="font-size: 16px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_6641">In his Jan 2000 paper, Mass II, Wilczek states (parens are his)</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><span style="font-size: 16px;" class=""><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><span style="font-size: 16px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_8109">"Subtle but persuasive theoretical argument make it appear that gauge symmetry is a necessary property of consistent quantum field theories containing vector (spin-1) particles. This is require because the longitudinal waves have very unpleasant properties <span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_8831">(<span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_8821">negative probabilities!</span>)</span>, and must be avoided. Consistent with this idea, not only QED but also QCD (which is medicated by vector particles, the color gluons) is based on equations with gauge symmetry. </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><i style="font-size: 16px;"><br></i></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><i id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_8706" style="font-size: 16px;">Gauge symmetry requires that vector particles be massless.</i><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><span style="font-size: 16px;" class=""><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><span style="font-size: 16px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_8110">The reason is simile to that given above in connection with chirality. If an observer could catch u with an electromagnetic wave so that it appeared station, there would be no distinction between longitudinal and transverse excitations. To prevent this ambiguity, electromagnetic waves had better move at the limiting velocity - not coincidentally, the speed of light!"</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245">(Wilczek 2000 in Mass II)</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245">Recalling Wilczek stating, noting above, that "...negative probabilities have unpleasant properties (negative probabilities) and must be avoided.", Feynman wrote a rather interesting paper on negative probabilities noting that one often resorted to negative numbers and by inference should permit and explore negative probabilities at least as a secondary process to get to the correct answer matching nature's answers.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245">(Feynman 1984, Negative probability)</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245">On this blue planet, over great distances there may be many routes, but we fly the great circle route over the oceans and poles while when there obstacles such as mountains or thunderstorms, or no guidance, a roundabout may prove a better route.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245" class="" style="">Renormalization seems to have worked for QCD and QED, yet, by design it's to avoid those negative probabilities.<span style="font-size: 16px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_16414"> </span><span style="font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_16510" class="">The current boundaries of physics seem more like an attempt to keep the gini's lamp confined in Pandora's box buried in Fort Knox.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245" class="" style=""><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_8245" class="" style=""><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_15842" style="font-size: 16px;">Perhaps accounting for mass and energy is too narrow a view, an experimental artifact of fast and fat fingers in a world of phat photons. </span><span style="font-size: 16px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_16535">The artificial minimums set for mass, energy and other units may depend simply on a flat spacetime. Like a flat earth, this canonical view may give away in time to a more enlightened age.</span></div><div class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_15382"><br class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_15382" dir="ltr">Beer and pizza might be required to make progress.</div><div class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_15382"><br></div></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5814">As an aside, all this chatter patter about matters of matter remind me of a song.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5814"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5814"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_15271" target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQGrQPZMLK8">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQGrQPZMLK8</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5814"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5814">And I found <span style="font-size: 16px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_18052">far more interesting the </span><span style="font-size: 16px;" class="">live performance on the</span><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_18293" style="font-size: 16px;"> </span><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_18292" style="font-size: 16px;">Central Park outdoor stage </span><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_18291" style="font-size: 16px;">...</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5814"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5814"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_16833" target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa7evoSWgIY">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa7evoSWgIY</a><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5862"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5862" dir="ltr">Best</div><div id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5862" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5862" dir="ltr">David</div><div id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5862"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_5862"><br></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv3523547647yqt0687527122" id="yiv3523547647yqt42201"><blockquote id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3604" style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <div id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3603" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3602" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3601"> <hr id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3600" size="1"> <font id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3632" size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "Mark, Martin van der" <martin.van.der.mark@philips.com><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> David Mathes <davidmathes8@yahoo.com>; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:14 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [General] Position<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv3523547647y_msg_container" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3633"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv3523547647">
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3634"><span id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3644" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Well David here it is: How to weigh light…..</span></div>
<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3637"><span id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3638" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">You should realize that what John W ,or I, or John D are saying is not “made up”, it is not a some model, it simply an explanation of where physics stands.
There is a lot of confusion about it and that is why I wrote the paper “light is heavy” in the first place. It is not about believing, it is about understanding the consequences of how physics is built up</span></div>
<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3639"><span id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3640" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">The concept of mass is difficult because it is involved in gravitation, inertia and seems to depend on velocity. This is why physicist (must) come up with notions
such as gravitational mass, inertial mass, relativistic mass and rest mass.</span></div>
<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3641"><span id="yiv3523547647yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_3642" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">And then there is E=mc^2…. Which means that ANY kind of energy is mass and vice versa.</span></div>
<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">It is all too easy to get confused, it may happen to any of us,</span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> woensdag 22 april 2015 16:41<br clear="none">
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There is, however, a bit missing. Whatever is confining the photon. Light does not usually go round and round in circles. It is, as I keep saying, an understanding of the "box" - the confinement mechanism - that we need to get to.<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> The circulating charged photon (constituting an electron) DOES have a rest mass — it’s the rest mass of the electron. So the helically circulating photon of spin 1/2 hbar that “is” the
electron has a charge -e and a rest mass (or mass in more modern usage) of 0.511Mev/c^2 . When the helically circulating photon has a forward (longitudinal) velocity v (the velocity of the electron) it has energy E=gamma mc^2 (the electron’s energy) = hf,
longitudinal momentum p=gamma mv (the relativistic momentum of the moving electron, and total circulating momentum Ptotal= gamma mc along its helical trajectory. The transverse component of the circulating photon’s total momentum is mc and this is an invariant
of the charged photon’s motion for any speed v < c of the electron (v being the forward speed of the helically circulating charged photon.)</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> There is some confusion in thinking about the rest mass of a circulating photon (ref the professor from SLAC). It seems that she thought that the rest mass is moving at the speed of
light within the electron in my model, but that is not the case. For a resting electron (circulating charged photon) the transverse momentum mc of the charged photon is circulating at light speed, but that’s OK for a photon. The circulating photon’s total
energy (for a resting electron) IS the rest mass of the electron, but that mass moves with a velocity v when the circulating photon moves forward longitudinally with velocity v.</span></div>
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Yes, as I said before and as Martin explained in some length. Briefly, charges, have masses associated with them. This is true theoretically, but more importantly there are no rest-massless charged particles experimentally. Masses aquire a gamma of infinity
as they approach the speed of light. It does not matter that this is not in the direction of motion as this is true also for a "stationary" electron with lightspeed rotation. The corollary is that: if your definition for a photon is that it is rest-massless
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One can have a "charged photon", of course, (like the Z boson) but it then has rest mass and will get to an infinite gamma as one approaches the speed of light.<br clear="none">
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[<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] on behalf of Richard Gauthier [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>]<br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, April 19, 2015 7:19 AM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> The physics professor who moderated my APS session thought she has spotted a flaw in my model, which refers to the velocity c of the circulating charged photon which is a model for
the electron. She assumed that this c was the velocity which would go into the calculation of gamma in my model, leading to an absurd result. But this is not at all the case. It is the longitudinal velocity v < c of the helically-circulating charged photon
that corresponds to the measured electron’s velocity, and it is this longitudinal velocity v which goes into calculating gamma. She didn’t mention anything more complicated in her criticism like gauge problems or Yang-Mills theories. Is there any accepted
physical theory that would claim that a circulating charged photon with spin 1/2 hbar cannot exist and so cannot be an electron? I would be surprised if this is the case.</span></div>
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I'm delighted that you pick this up and help bring the debate to proper level.<br clear="none">
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You are absolutely right. Especially in view of gauge theories no-one has yet been able to "fix" the issue of charge. This is related to the problem of covariance of solutions and of the "desert" to which the quantum field theory community refers. I was at
a recent conference with Roger Penrose, and Basil Hiley and Chris Isham (amongst many other notables). The closing talk - given by Deser - gave an overview of attempts to tackle this - showing that all had been been - so far - in vain. The main dig was at
Isham, with Deser claiming that he had personally knocked down all his attempts. My impression is that the two are clearly fast friends and this was an ongoing conversation.<br clear="none">
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I will copy this to some of the above, but in the background or as a forward, as some of these guys get quite enough spam as it is.<br clear="none">
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My own view is that part of the problem lies in that "gauge theories" - magnificent as they are and complicated as they can get have a fatal flaw not understood by many - the idea that there should exist a full gauge freedom. This blows the minds of even the
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Let me go through some of the below in turn with reference to experiment where I know anything about it. I may try to more after I follow up some of the links with which I am unfamiliar. I'll go in blue.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:black;">Especially in view of gauge theory, I'm not sure how to "fix" the issue of charge.</span></span><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:black;">So I've been muddling around ideas regarding charge:</span></span><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:black;">1. No other charged particle is permitted within the electron. This statement seems obvious. Proving this may prove quite challenging.
For some, this suggests no other mass. For others, this suggests no other quarks, and in doing so we are back to the issue of the negative vacuum within electron space.</span></span><span style="color:black;"><br clear="none">
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</span><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:blue;">No solution here. The leptons in general and the electron in particular appear "structureless" in high energy collision</span></span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"><span style="color:blue;"> </span></span><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:blue;">experiments.
There is no simpler charged object within them - at least</span></span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"><span style="color:blue;"> </span></span><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:blue;">up
to</span></span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"><span style="color:blue;"> </span></span><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:blue;">the level of current experimental capability.</span></span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"><span style="color:blue;"> </span></span><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:blue;">If
such a thing was discovered, it would</span></span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"><span style="color:blue;"> </span></span><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:blue;">anyway</span></span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"><span style="color:blue;"> </span></span><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:blue;">just
shift the charge puzzle to a deeper level.</span></span><span style="color:black;"><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> a) Photon-in-the electron model requires containment, curvature and closed path. All models should be able to be modeled with a vector field even in 4D. 5D
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</span><span style="color:blue;">Agreed whole-heartedledly. Confinement and its mechanism are the key here. I have been puzzling for a long time about the mechanism for confinement. As Martin noted, we were lucky enough to work with
Casimir himself in the early days - looking for a possibility of using the Casimir force for electron confinement for our electron as a localised photon model. Our conclusion was that a spherical (bubble) cavity did not work, but that a toroidal cavity might.
My present view, however, is that the Casimir force is, if it exists separately from the van der Waals force at all (which I think is not yet proven experimentally), is not sufficient to the task in hand. Anything confining the photon needs to be more potent
than this. I now have such a force, as outlined in the paper presented at FFP14 which I circulated earlier - based on the scalar mass-energy term<span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>I introduce<span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>in
the new theory of electromagnetism. I do not think that this is the whole story yet, but hope to develop that<span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>this year in and for the conference. Bottom line is - confinement is the key to charge and
the understanding of charge needs the understanding of photon confinement.</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">b) Quanta-in-the-electron model suggests a transformation of photon-to-quanta,<br clear="none">
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</span><span style="color:navy;">This is manifestly true from experiment. Photons transform to particles and vice-versa. The key here, and the argument in the WvdM model a couple of decades ago, is that the photon transverse field
becomes configured topologically so that it becomes radial. This is, for us, the origin of charge.</span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"><span style="color:black;"> </span></span><span style="color:navy;">In
doing this, the configuration becomes,<span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>necessarily, double-looped. This is,<span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>for us,<span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>the
origin of the creation of fermions from bosons.<span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color:black;"><br clear="none">
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and in doing so, the quanta may be charged or not.<span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none">
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</span><span style="color:blue;">No.<span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>To be covariant it must absolutely NOT be charged. Charge must arise from the uncharged - as in experiment. This is the key problem unresolved
in Richards model, Dirac's relativistic quantum mechanics (he was aware of this and tried later to fix it) and in all the present QFT's within the standard model (as far as I am aware).</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">c) Nested model combines a and b to create a 3 level nest quanta/photon/electron model. Assumes the quanta has not structure internally.<br clear="none">
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In my view as at present - again no. The quantum must, and should, have an internal structure. This is another fun puzzle. My answer to this is to base the internal structure of the photon on the underlying relativistic nature of 4-spacetime. This is the theme
of the paper I am considering dropping from the conference in favour of one answering Chip's problem of causality in the transactional interpretation of exchange events. I may re-consider this.</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">d) N-nested layer theory where the 4th level of nesting is the structure within the quanta...one could go further and perhaps eventually bump into strings at
some point but the lack of experimental tools to probe at this level, and the minimal evidence of the quanta, puts N-nested theory of elementary particles in the highly speculative category<span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none">
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</span><span style="color:blue;">My personal view at present is that string theory has a lot of very nice maths, but is manifestly (and often by design) completely unrelated to and untested by any present experiment. Hence its survival
as a candidate theory so far.<span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">e) SWAG - the spindle contains another sub-elementary particle - perhaps the magnetic monopole??? Fantasy that may be a possibility but is a bit more complex
than proposed theories.<span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none">
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</span><span style="color:blue;">The electron monopole model implies - by duality - a magnetic monopole model. As argued in our 1997 paper the reason for its non-existence is that the electric monopole is of the same nature - but
at a far lower energy. This is related, for me, to the underlying nature of the weak force. It is just the dual of the EM force.</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:black;">3. The wake of the quanta or photon which emits a continuously expanding field. Think of the wake of a boat...not only is there
a primary wake but secondary and beyond wakes. At the speed of light in vacuo, the wake is almost transverse to the quanta/photon. (ref: Froning and others) We have already seen other complex wake signatures</span></span><span style="color:black;"><br clear="none">
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</span><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:blue;">This is beyond me. Can't wait to look it up. Do you have some more detailed references?</span></span><span style="color:black;"><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:black;">4. Conditioning of the photon beyond just containment and curvature - Suggestions vary...SU(n), ribbon like photon, photon interacting
with path, CPT violating photon, phat photon, football of frequencies of quanta for photon,</span></span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"><span style="color:black;"> </span></span><span style="color:black;"><br clear="none">
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</span><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:blue;">I think it is wrong to put complex structure in a-priori. Such things as SU(n) should flow out of a model, not be put into it.</span></span><span style="color:black;"><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:black;">6. Modification of SRT/GRT - Probably won't work given the 100 or so theories that have attempted to assault GRT as premier. </span></span><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:black;">So far, the best that can be done is to linearize GRT using Hoyle-Narkilar (see </span></span><span style="color:black;"> Lance
Williams, Fearn, Miloni,etc)<span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none">
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</span><span style="color:blue;">I think SRT and GRT are both very nearly correct. Any proper theory must, at least, reduce to these in proper limits. SRT, for me, is absolutely so. GRT is a quite simple theory at present. Here there
is more room for manoeuvre and this could be fun. I think the first step may be to replace the scalar curvature in GRT at present with a pseudoscalar curvature. This is, in itself, quite a big job. Any GRT experts in the group who would like to give it a go?</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:black;">7. TOEs - Weyl, (Williams)Heim, extended Heim, E8, Quantum Gravity (cGh), loop quantum gravity...TOE is waiting on the photon and
electron folks to figure out the right direction to take the next steps.</span></span><span style="color:black;"><br clear="none">
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</span><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:blue;">Too true. One needs a proper theory of the photon and electron at least. Lets get on with it!</span></span><span style="color:black;"><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:black;">8. FTL approaches where GRT is preserved as a subset...may require negative vacuum, energy density conditioning or other "new and
improved" approaches</span></span><span style="color:black;"><br clear="none">
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</span><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:blue;">I think FTL is ok, provided it preserves the proper (in the relativistic sense) nature of the underlying absolute relativity.</span></span><span style="color:blue;"><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:black;">Finally, an issue that impedes further progress may be inertial frames and frames of reference. Millis has for almost two decades
been examining the issue. Here is a recent presentation (2014) on inertial frames.</span></span><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.globalsciencecollaboration.org/public/site/PDFS/time%20distance/Millis%20M.%20Warp%20Drives%20%26%20Wormholes.pdf">http://www.globalsciencecollaboration.org/public/site/PDFS/time%20distance/Millis%20M.%20Warp%20Drives%20%26%20Wormholes.pdf</a></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:black;">Millis (2011) summarizes the Davis/Millis tome on "Frontiers in Propulsion Science" (2009). </span></span><span style="color:black;">Perhaps
we need to collectively develop a vetting process specifically for the electron model similar to what Millis has done in Figure 1. </span></div>
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</span><span style="color:blue;">Cannot wait to have a look at these. Next job!</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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</span><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="color:blue;">Regards to all.</span></span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"><span style="color:blue;"> </span></span><span style="color:blue;"><br clear="none">
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Williamson <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk">John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk</a>><br clear="none">
<span class="yiv3523547647"><b>To:</b></span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none">
<span class="yiv3523547647"><b>Cc:</b></span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>Manohar . <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:manohar_berlin@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:manohar_berlin@hotmail.com">manohar_berlin@hotmail.com</a>>; Nick Bailey <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nick@bailey-family.org.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:nick@bailey-family.org.uk">nick@bailey-family.org.uk</a>>;
Anthony Booth <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:abooth@ieee.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:abooth@ieee.org">abooth@ieee.org</a>>; Ariane Mandray <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ariane.mandray@wanadoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:ariane.mandray@wanadoo.fr">ariane.mandray@wanadoo.fr</a>>; Kyran Williamson <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kyran_williamson@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kyran_williamson@hotmail.com">kyran_williamson@hotmail.com</a>><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none">
<span class="yiv3523547647"><b>Sent:</b></span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, April 17, 2015 9:21 AM<br clear="none">
<span class="yiv3523547647"><b>Subject:</b></span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] Position</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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I'm afraid the professor may have a point. This is related to what I was saying in an earlier email about the nature of charge and the relationship to gauge and to mass. Do you remember what she asked exactly?<br clear="none">
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To have a "charge" you need to go to a Coulomb-type gauge, related to the charge in that specific frame. This charge has a (radial) field associated with it in this frame which, itself, has an energy density (and since it is pinned to that frame a rest-mass
density). You are positing an oscillation backwards and forwards at lightspeed (or greater) of this charge. This, neccessarily, takes one past infinite gamma. If one then wishes to keep special relativity, this is not physically possible. To be fair, as I
said before, this problem is also there in the Dirac model.<br clear="none">
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This has a big problem with all Yang-Mills type theories (pretty much all of QFT then) and is a well-known problem in HEP and field theory circles. This problem has remained intractable for more than half a century since no one had managed (anyone know any
different?), until my 2014 paper, to write down a covariant wavefunction for the photon, with which to construct an everywhere lightspeed solution without this problem.<br clear="none">
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At a simpler level one needs a model, such as the old WvdM model, where the photon remains rest-massles and chargeless - and charge the arises from the re-configuration of the field inside a double-loop topology. The ac photon field is then "rectified" in Andrews
parlance, to be outward or inwards directed by virtue of the confinement mechanism (postulated in that paper- ascribed to the new "pivot" term in my new theory). There is no internal charge. Charge emerges as a consequence of the kind of confinement.<br clear="none">
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Don't worry too much ... these are known problems and I (think I) know how to fix them.<br clear="none">
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[<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] on behalf of Richard Gauthier [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>]<br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, April 17, 2015 4:47 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Chandra, Andrew and others,
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> My presentation at APS in Baltimore on Tuesday went well in that in 10 minutes I presented the material as planned. The session had about 10 attendees, and was moderated by a professor
of theoretical high energy physics from SLAC (This was very good). My powerpoint for the session is attached below.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">The moderator asked a question indicating that she had misunderstood (perhaps because of the way I expressed it) a main idea in my electron model. She thought that because I proposed that
the electron is a circulating charged photon, that this implies that gamma for the electron model is infinite, making the model absurd. But in the model, while the circulating charged photon’s velocity is c along its helical path, it is the charged photon's
longitudinal component velocity v that corresponds to v of the electron. The experimentally measured velocity v of the electron is always less than c, so gamma in the model is normal and not infinite. I didn’t have time to clarify this to her after my talk
so I will try to do so by email. I hope no one in this group has the professor’s misunderstanding of my model on this point.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> Richard</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Thanks for your questions.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">1 As far as I know, a light beam of normal (uncharged, spin 1 hbar) photons is not bent in a strong electric or magnetic field. The proposed circulating charged photon (spin 1/2 hbar and
charge -e for an electron) that models an electron would of course bend in both an electric field and a magnetic field (unless the electric and magnetic forces cancelled each other). </span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">2. As far as I know, mass is always associated with a charged particle. In the case of a circulating charged photon, its mass is the energy that the circulating charged photon has when
its longitudinal velocity (called the electron’s velocity) is at or near zero, i.e. m=Erest/c^2= 0.511 Mev/c^2 .</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">3. The circulating charged photon model of a relativistic electron does not incorporate a specific model of the charged photon, so different charged photon models could have different charge
distributions. I doubt that the transluminal energy quantum associated with a photon or an electron in my models of the photon and the electron is point-like since the transluminal energy quantum for a photon or an electron can pass through a double-slit like
an extended wave. The charged photon’s electric charge is associated with the helical movement of the charged photon at light-speed along its helical trajectory, while an uncharged spin 1 hbar photon travels linearly at light-speed, unless either the electron
or photon is being diffracted by a slit or double slit for example in which case their motions are not yet defined. In my transluminal energy quantum model of the uncharged spin 1 hbar photon, the photon is itself composed of a helically circulating transluminal
energy quantum, which is uncharged. In the circulating-charged-photon model of a relativistic electron, the circulating charged photon must have spin-1/2 hbar at least at relativistic velocities because the electron has spin 1/2 hbar at relativistic velocities,
as well as at lower velocities .The energy quantum appears point like (or very small) when a photon or electron is detected, in which case we say that we detected a photon or an electron, when what we actually detected is the photon's or electron’s transluminal
energy quantum. The variability of the position and momentum of the helically-moving transluminal energy quantum in the photon model exactly matches the minimum requirement of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle: delta x times delta p = hbar/2 (as shown in
my "transluminal energy quantum models of the photon and the electron” article.) Perhaps it is the variable motion of the energy quantum generating a particle that requires the Heisenberg uncertainty principle that applies to that particle.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">On Apr 16, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Meulenberg <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mules333@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com">mules333@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">I have begun to incorporate the various positions; but, I have a few questions on your model:</span></div>
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Have you ever found any evidence of a light beam bending in a strong electric or magnetic field? (I have speculated on every photon as being both fermionic and well as bosonic, so there could be a basis for the spin 1/2 component.)</li><li class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="color:black;background:white;">
Do you have any evidence for a charge not having mass?</li><li class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="color:black;background:white;">
How is the charge spatially distributed within the photon?</li></ol>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> Here’s my current position paper on my charged photon model of the electron, and the energy quantum, with an attached Word file of the same:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="color:black;">Two types of non-pointlike electron models</span></b><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">For those who have not accepted the ideal that the electron is pointlike with intrinsic spin (as accepted in the standard model), two distinct loop models with variations have been proposed.
The first is a single-loop model where the electron’s charge or its mass or momentum or a photon or photon-like object moves circularly at light-speed around a loop of circumference one Compton wavelength h/mc and radius R1= hbar/mc. The second is a double-loop
model that has the charge or mass or momentum or a photon or photon-like object moving at light-speed around a double loop whose total length is also one Compton wavelength but whose radius is R2=hbar/2mc . Several models of the photon have been combined
with these basic or generic single or double-loop models to produce more elaborate models of the electron.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">One main advantage of the single-loop model is that the calculated magnitude of the magnetic moment due to a circulating light-speed electron charge is the Bohr magneton ehbar/2m (the experimental
value of the electron’s magnetic moment is slightly more than this.) But the calculated spin (z-component) of this model from the circulating momentum mc of the photon of Compton wavelength h/mc is Sz=R1 x p = (hbar/mc) x mc = hbar which is twice the spin
of the electron. The experimental value of the spin ½ hbar of the electron has then to be found from some further hypothesis about the single-loop electron model.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">One main advantage of the double-loop model is that the calculated spin (z-component) is Sz=R2 x p = (hbar/2mc) x mc = hbar/2 which is the correct electron spin (z-component). But the magnitude
of the magnetic moment of this model is found to be ½ Bohr magneton. The experimental value of the electron’s magnetic moment (slightly more than 1 Bohr magneton) has then to be calculated or approximated from some further hypothesis about the double-loop
model. The double-loop model also contains the zitterbewegung frequency fzitt=(2mc^2)/h of the electron found from the Dirac equation.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Both the single-loop and double-loop models have generally been described for a resting (v=0) electron. Some models have included motion v>0 of the electron to try to account for the experimental
value of the de Broglie wavelength Ldb=h/(gamma m v) of a moving electron, and the experimental value of the very small (around or less than 10^-18m) of relativistic electrons found in high energy electron scattering experiments.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="color:black;">Gauthier’s charged photon model of the electron</span></b><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">My approach has been to model the electron relativistically as a helically circulating double-looping photon. The photon carries the electron’s charge and has spin ½ hbar, the same as that
of an electron, rather than spin hbar of an uncharged photon. By equating the moving electron’s relativistic energy E=gamma mc^2 with the photon’s energy E=hf, the charged photon is found to have frequency f=(gamma mc^2)/h and a wavelength L= h/(gamma mc).
While this frequency f was used by deBroglie to derive the electron’s deBroglie wavelength, the wavelength L=h/(gamma mc) of a hypothesized photon corresponding to a relativistic electron has never previously been reported or utilized to my knowledge, neither
by de Broglie nor by others (including other electron modelers.)</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">The charged photon in the above model has these three photon characteristics: 1) its energy E=hf, 2) its momentum p=h/L, 3) its speed of light c=fL. In addition it has 4) the electron’s
charge, 5) a light-speed helical motion and 6) a spin ½ hbar. In addition the radius of the helix for a resting electron (where the helix becomes a circle) is hbar/2mc . When these first 3 characteristics and the resting electron radius are combined with
the helical motion of characteristic 5, a unique helical trajectory (except for right or left turning) is found for the charged photon model of the electron. Some of its characteristics are:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">1)</span><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black;"> </span></span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black;"> </span></span><span style="color:black;">Its
radius for a resting electron is R2 = hbar/2mc</span></div>
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radius of the charged photon’s helical trajectory decreases with increasing electron speed as R= R2/(gamma^2)</span></div>
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longitudinal component of the charged photon’s helical speed c is the speed v of the electron being modeled. The forward angle theta of the circulating helix is given by cos (theta) = v/c.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">4)</span><span class="yiv3523547647"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black;"> </span></span><span class="yiv3523547647apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black;"> </span></span><span style="color:black;">The
electron’s momentum p=gamma mv is the longitudinal component of the circulating photon’s momentum P=gamma mc.</span></div>
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pitch of the charged photon’s helical trajectory is maximum for v= c/sqrt(2) and gamma = sqrt(2), where theta = 45 degrees. The maximum helical pitch here is pi Ro, and decreases towards zero as v->0 and as v->c.</span></div>
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longitudinal component of the charged photon’s wave vector K corresponding the circulating charged photon’s relativistic wavelength L=h/(gamma mc) generates the de Broglie wavelength of the electron h/(gamma mv)</span></div>
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transverse component of the circulating photon’s momentum is ptrans=mc. At v=0, this transverse momentum when combined with the circulating photon’s helical radius hbar/2mc gives the electron’s spin Sz= + or – hbar/2</span></div>
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the electron has spin ½ hbar at highly relativistic velocities, the spin of the circulating charged photon must also be ½ hbar, since in the charged photon model of the electron it is the charged photon’s spin at highly relativistic velocities that gives the
electron model its spin ½ hbar at these velocities. The contribution of the helical radius R of the charged photon’s axis to the electron model’s spin Sz is R x mc = hbar/(2mc gamma^2) x mc = hbar/(2gamma^2) which is hbar/2 when v=0 but decreases towards zero
at highly relativistic velocities. The charged photon’s spin ½ hbar remains constant at highly relativistic velocities and therefore gives the electron model its spin ½ hbar at these highly relativistic velocities.</span></div>
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cannot be a charged photon. But if a circulating photon carrying the electron’s charge has spin ½ hbar it is not a boson but a fermion. In other words, photons may be of two types: uncharged with spin 1 hbar (boson) and charged with spin ½ hbar (fermion).</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3523547647MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">A spin ½ hbar photon model is needed that satisfies this requirement of the charged photon model of the electron. One such model is obtained by modifying Gauthier’s transluminal energy
quantum model of the photon, which has spin 1 hbar and is described in another publication (“Transluminal energy quantum models of the photon and the electron”). Suffice it to say here that when the transluminal energy quantum photon model’s helical radius
of Lambda/2pi is changed to Lambda/4pi, the photon’s spin is reduced from hbar to hbar/2 and the photon obtained becomes a candidate for the spin ½ hbar photon that is required for the charged photon model of the electron.</span></div>
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quanta with different characteristics that produce gluons, quarks, neutrinos, muons and tau particles, W and Z particles and the Higgs boson, and possibly dark matter particles as well. A quark may be a circulating charged gluon in a similar way that an electron
may be a circulating charged photon. This last paragraph is meant to be suggestive of the possible power of the concept of the transluminal energy quantum for structuring oscillating energy into various physical particles with their characteristics, but more
theoretical as well as experimental research is needed here.</span></div>
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