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    Yes indeed. Closure producing a coherence with a hard carapace or
    shell as we can say these days in Cybernetics. <br>
    <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Pask#Interactions_of_Actors_Theory">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Pask#Interactions_of_Actors_Theory</a><br>
    <br>
    At equilibrium total rising edge amplitudes would equal total
    falling edge amplitudes. Emission or absorption of photons would
    produce self-correcting (the cybernetic core idea) phase shifts in
    coherences that manage to persist else decoherence or decay-
    Newton's Third law no longer applies to them, the carapace is not
    hard. Refraction can produce closure (as in pair production) but
    tunnelling might be required to account for the production of the
    first components of a refracting medium if a strictly evolutionary
    approach is taken.<br>
    <br>
    Herbert Frohlich FRS did some early work on this kind of thing but
    in biological systems.<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Fr%C3%B6hlich">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Fr%C3%B6hlich</a><br>
    He says after his work in dielectrics the 10^5 volts per cm found in
    Bio systems drew him into this field. Rather higher field strengths
    are found in atoms that refract.<br>
    <br>
    Best<br>
    <br>
    N.<br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/04/2015 06:16, John Williamson
      wrote:<br>
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        #000000;font-size: 10pt;">Yes, that is right. Light in a box has
        rest mass (see o.a. Martins "light is heavy" paper).
        <br>
        <br>
        There is, however, a bit missing. Whatever is confining the
        photon. Light does not usually go round and round in circles. It
        is, as I keep saying, an understanding of the "box" - the
        confinement mechanism - that we need to get to.<br>
        <br>
        Regards, John.<br>
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              General
              [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
              on behalf of Richard Gauthier [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>]<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 21, 2015 6:29 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
              Discussion<br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Position<br>
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          <div>Hello John,
            <div class="">   The circulating charged photon
              (constituting an electron) DOES have a rest mass — it’s
              the rest mass of the electron. So the helically
              circulating photon of spin 1/2 hbar that “is” the electron
              has a charge -e and a rest mass (or mass in more modern
              usage) of 0.511Mev/c^2 . When the helically circulating
              photon has a forward (longitudinal) velocity v (the
              velocity of the electron) it has energy E=gamma mc^2  (the
              electron’s energy) = hf, longitudinal momentum p=gamma mv
              (the relativistic momentum of the moving electron, and
              total circulating momentum Ptotal= gamma mc along its
              helical trajectory. The transverse component of the
              circulating photon’s total momentum is mc and this is an
              invariant of the charged photon’s motion for any speed v
              < c of the electron (v being the forward speed of the
              helically circulating charged photon.)</div>
            <div class="">   There is some confusion in thinking about
              the rest mass of a circulating photon (ref the professor
              from SLAC). It seems that she thought that the rest mass
              is moving at the speed of light within the electron in my
              model, but that is not the case. For a resting electron
              (circulating charged photon) the transverse momentum mc of
              the charged photon is circulating at light speed, but
              that’s OK for a photon. The circulating photon’s total
              energy (for a resting electron) IS the rest mass of the
              electron, but that mass moves with a velocity v when the
              circulating photon moves forward longitudinally with
              velocity v.</div>
            <div class="">     Richard</div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
              <div>
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                  <div class="">On Apr 19, 2015, at 5:03 PM, John
                    Williamson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk"
                      class="" target="_blank">John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk</a>>
                    wrote:</div>
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                      HI Richard,<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Ok ... I see what level she was coming in at then
                      ....<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Yes, as I said before and as Martin explained in
                      some length. Briefly, charges, have masses
                      associated with them. This is true theoretically,
                      but more importantly there are no rest-massless
                      charged particles experimentally.  Masses aquire a
                      gamma of infinity as they approach the speed of
                      light. It does not matter that this is not in the
                      direction of motion as this is true also for a
                      "stationary" electron with lightspeed rotation.
                      The corollary is that: if your definition for a
                      photon is that it is rest-massless then it cannot,
                      itself, be charged.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      One can have a "charged photon", of course, (like
                      the Z boson) but it then has rest mass and will
                      get to an infinite gamma as one approaches the
                      speed of light.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Regards, John.<br class="">
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                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General
                            [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
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                            on behalf of Richard Gauthier [<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"
                              class="" target="_blank">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>]<br
                              class="">
                            <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
                            April 19, 2015 7:19 AM<br class="">
                            <b class="">To:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature
                            of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br
                              class="">
                            <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                            [General] Position<br class="">
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                        <div class="">
                          <div class="">John W. and others,</div>
                          <div class="">    The physics professor who
                            moderated my APS session thought she has
                            spotted a flaw in my model, which refers to
                            the velocity c of the circulating charged
                            photon which is a model for the electron.
                            She assumed that this c was the velocity
                            which would go into the calculation of gamma
                            in my model, leading to an absurd result.
                            But this is not at all the case. It is the
                            longitudinal velocity v < c  of the
                            helically-circulating charged photon that
                            corresponds to the measured electron’s
                            velocity, and it is this longitudinal
                            velocity v which goes into calculating
                            gamma. She didn’t mention anything more
                            complicated in her criticism like gauge
                            problems or Yang-Mills theories. Is there
                            any accepted physical theory that would
                            claim that a circulating charged photon with
                            spin 1/2 hbar cannot exist and so cannot be
                            an electron? I would be surprised if this is
                            the case.</div>
                          <div class="">        Richard</div>
                          <br class="">
                          <div class="">
                            <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                              <div class="">On Apr 17, 2015, at 9:12 PM,
                                John Williamson <<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk"
                                  class="" target="_blank">John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk</a>>
                                wrote:</div>
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                                  David,<br class="">
                                  <br class="">
                                  Wonderful!<br class="">
                                  <br class="">
                                  I'm delighted that you pick this up
                                  and help bring the debate to proper
                                  level.<br class="">
                                  <br class="">
                                  You are absolutely right. Especially
                                  in view of gauge theories no-one has
                                  yet been able to "fix" the issue of
                                  charge. This is related to the problem
                                  of covariance of solutions and of  the
                                  "desert" to which the quantum field
                                  theory community refers. I was at a
                                  recent conference with Roger Penrose,
                                  and Basil Hiley and Chris Isham
                                  (amongst many other notables).  The
                                  closing talk - given by Deser - gave
                                  an overview of attempts to tackle this
                                  - showing that all had been been - so
                                  far - in vain. The main dig was at
                                  Isham, with Deser claiming that he had
                                  personally knocked down all his
                                  attempts. My impression is that the
                                  two are clearly fast friends and this
                                  was an ongoing conversation.<br
                                    class="">
                                  <br class="">
                                  I will copy this to some of the above,
                                  but in the background or as a forward,
                                  as some of these guys get quite enough
                                  spam as it is.<br class="">
                                  <br class="">
                                  My own view is that part of the
                                  problem lies in that "gauge theories"
                                  - magnificent as they are and
                                  complicated as they can get have a
                                  fatal flaw not understood by many -
                                  the idea that there should exist a
                                  full gauge freedom. This blows the
                                  minds of even the best as they try to
                                  puzzle through it.<br class="">
                                  <br class="">
                                  Let me go through some of the below in
                                  turn with reference to experiment
                                  where I know anything about it. I may
                                  try to more after I follow up some of
                                  the links with which I am unfamiliar. 
                                  I'll go in blue.<br class="">
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                                          class="">From:</b><span
                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General
                                        [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                                          class="" target="_blank">general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
                                        on behalf of David Mathes [<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"
                                          class="" target="_blank">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a>]<br
                                          class="">
                                        <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
                                        April 17, 2015 6:36 PM<br
                                          class="">
                                        <b class="">To:</b><span
                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature
                                        of Light and Particles - General
                                        Discussion<br class="">
                                        <b class="">Cc:</b><span
                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nick
                                        Bailey; Anthony Booth; Manohar
                                        .; Kyran Williamson; Ariane
                                        Mandray<br class="">
                                        <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                        [General] Position<br class="">
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                                            class="">John</span></div>
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                                            class=""><br class="">
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                                        <div
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                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_4967"
                                            class="">Especially in view
                                            of gauge theory, I'm not
                                            sure how to "fix" the issue
                                            of charge.</span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            class=""><br class="">
                                          </span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3979"
                                            class="">So I've been
                                            muddling around ideas
                                            regarding charge:</span></div>
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                                            class=""><br class="">
                                          </span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_4041"
                                            class="">1. No other charged
                                            particle is permitted within
                                            the electron. This statement
                                            seems obvious. Proving this
                                            may prove quite challenging.
                                            For some, this suggests no
                                            other mass. For others, this
                                            suggests no other quarks,
                                            and in doing so we are back
                                            to the issue of the negative
                                            vacuum within electron
                                            space.<br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            <font class=""
                                              color="0000FF">No solution
                                              here. The leptons in
                                              general and the electron
                                              in particular appear
                                              "structureless" in high
                                              energy collision<font
                                                class="" color="0000FF"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>experiments</font>. There is no
                                              simpler charged object
                                              within them - at least<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font class="" color="0000FF">up
                                                to</font><span
                                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>the
                                              level of current
                                              experimental capability<font
                                                class="" color="0000FF">.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font class="" color="0000FF">If
                                                  such a thing was
                                                  discovered<font
                                                    class=""
                                                    color="0000FF">, it
                                                    would<span
                                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font
                                                      class=""
                                                      color="0000FF">anyway</font><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>just shift the charge puzzle to a
                                                    deeper level.</font></font></font></font><br
                                              class="">
                                          </span></div>
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                                            class=""><br class="">
                                          </span></div>
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                                            class="">2. In any model
                                            circulating photon or
                                            quanta, charge is the result
                                            of transverse fields and may
                                            be an indirect result.</span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class="">First note
                                          that all models need to
                                          continuously conserve
                                          momentum.<span
                                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                            class="">
                                          <br class="">
                                          <font class="" color="0000FF">At
                                            least ... it would be good
                                            if the constituent was also
                                            local, continuous and
                                            properly relativistic as
                                            well.</font><br class="">
                                        </div>
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                                            <br class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
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                                          dir="ltr" class=""> a)
                                          Photon-in-the electron model
                                          requires containment,
                                          curvature and closed path. All
                                          models should be able to be
                                          modeled with a vector field
                                          even in 4D. 5D is a bit more
                                          difficult with essentially a
                                          5x5 matrix.<br class="">
                                          <br class="">
                                          <font class="" color="0000FF">Agreed
                                            whole-heartedledly.
                                            Confinement and its
                                            mechanism are the key here.
                                            I have been puzzling for a
                                            long time about the
                                            mechanism for confinement.
                                            As Martin noted, we were
                                            lucky enough to work with
                                            Casimir himself in the early
                                            days - looking for a
                                            possibility of using the
                                            Casimir force for electron
                                            confinement for our electron
                                            as a localised photon model.
                                            Our conclusion was that a
                                            spherical (bubble) cavity
                                            did not work, but that a
                                            toroidal cavity might. My
                                            present view, however, is
                                            that the Casimir force is,
                                            if it exists separately from
                                            the van der Waals force at
                                            all (which I think is not
                                            yet proven experimentally),
                                            is not sufficient to the
                                            task in hand. Anything
                                            confining the photon needs
                                            to be more potent than this.
                                            I now have such a force, as
                                            outlined in the paper
                                            presented at FFP14 which I
                                            circulated earl<font
                                              class="" color="0000FF">ier
                                              - based on the scalar mass<font
                                                class="" color="0000FF">-energy
                                                term<span
                                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font
                                                  class=""
                                                  color="0000FF">I
                                                  introduce<span
                                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font
                                                    class=""
                                                    color="0000FF">in
                                                    the new theory of
                                                    electromagnetism. I
                                                    do not think that
                                                    this is the whole st<font
                                                      class=""
                                                      color="0000FF">ory
                                                      yet, but hope to
                                                      develop that<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font class="" color="0000FF">this
                                                        year in and for
                                                        the conference.
                                                        Bottom line is -
                                                        confinement is
                                                        the key to char<font
                                                          class=""
                                                          color="0000FF">ge
                                                          and the
                                                          understanding
                                                          of charge
                                                          needs the
                                                          understanding
                                                          of photon
                                                          confinem<font
                                                          class=""
                                                          color="0000FF">ent.</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><br
                                            class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><br
                                            class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class="">b)
                                          Quanta-in-the-electron model
                                          suggests a transformation of
                                          photon-to-quanta,<br class="">
                                          <br class="">
                                          <font class="" color="000080">This
                                            is manifestly true from
                                            experiment. Photons
                                            transform to particles and
                                            vice-versa. The key here,
                                            and the argument in the WvdM
                                            model a couple of decades
                                            ago, is that the photon
                                            transverse field becomes
                                            configured topologically so
                                            that it becomes radial. This
                                            is, for us, the origin of
                                            charge.</font><span
                                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font
                                            class="" color="000080">In
                                            doing this, the
                                            configuration becomes,<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font class="" color="000080">necessarily</font>,
                                            double-looped. This is,<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font class="" color="000080">for
                                              us,</font><span
                                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>the
                                            orig<font class=""
                                              color="000080">in of the
                                              creation of fermions from
                                              bos<font class=""
                                                color="000080">ons.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></font></font><br class="">
                                          <br class="">
                                          and in doing so, the quanta
                                          may be charged or not.<span
                                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                            class="">
                                          <br class="">
                                          <font class="" color="0000FF">No.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font class="" color="0000FF">To
                                              be covariant i</font>t
                                            must absolutely NOT be
                                            charged. Charge must arise
                                            from the uncharged - as in
                                            experiment. T<font class=""
                                              color="0000FF">his is the
                                              key problem unresolved in
                                              Richards model, Dirac's
                                              relativistic quantum
                                              mechanics (he was aware of
                                              this an<font class=""
                                                color="0000FF">d tried
                                                later to fix it) and in
                                                a<font class=""
                                                  color="0000FF">l<font
                                                    class=""
                                                    color="0000FF">l the
                                                    present QFT<font
                                                      class=""
                                                      color="0000FF">'s
                                                      within the
                                                      standard model (as
                                                      far as I am
                                                      aware).</font></font></font></font></font></font><br
                                            class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><br
                                            class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class="">c) Nested
                                          model combines a and b to
                                          create a 3 level nest
                                          quanta/photon/electron model.
                                          Assumes the quanta has not
                                          structure internally.<br
                                            class="">
                                          <font class="" color="0000FF"><br
                                              class="">
                                            In my view as at present -
                                            again no. The quantum must,
                                            and should, have an internal
                                            structure. This is another
                                            fun puzzle. My answer to
                                            this is to base the internal
                                            structure of the photon on
                                            the underlying relativistic
                                            nature of 4-spacetime. This
                                            is the theme of the paper I
                                            am considering dropping from
                                            the conference in favour of
                                            one answering C<font
                                              class="" color="0000FF">h</font>ip's
                                            problem of causality in the
                                            transactional interpretation
                                            of exchange events. I may
                                            re-consider this.</font><br
                                            class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><br
                                            class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class="">d) N-nested
                                          layer theory where the 4th
                                          level of nesting is the
                                          structure within the
                                          quanta...one could go further
                                          and perhaps eventually bump
                                          into strings at some point but
                                          the lack of experimental tools
                                          to probe at this level, and
                                          the minimal evidence of the
                                          quanta, puts N-nested theory
                                          of elementary particles in the
                                          highly speculative category<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                          <br class="">
                                          <font class="" color="0000FF">My
                                            personal view at present is
                                            that string theory has a lot
                                            of very nice maths, but is
                                            manifestly (and often by
                                            design) completely unrelated
                                            to and untested by any
                                            present experiment. Hence
                                            its survival as a candidate
                                            theory so far.<span
                                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><br
                                            class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><br
                                            class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class="">e) SWAG -
                                          the spindle contains another
                                          sub-elementary particle -
                                          perhaps the magnetic
                                          monopole??? Fantasy that may
                                          be a possibility but is a bit
                                          more complex than proposed
                                          theories.<span
                                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                            class="">
                                          <br class="">
                                          <font class="" color="0000FF">The
                                            electron monopole model
                                            implies - by duality - a
                                            magnetic monopole model. As
                                            argued in our 1997 paper the
                                            reason for its non-existence
                                            is that the electric
                                            monopole is of the same
                                            nature - but at a far lower
                                            energy. This is related, for
                                            me, to the underlying nature
                                            of the weak force. It is
                                            just the dual of the EM
                                            force.</font><br class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div class=""
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_4869"><br
                                            class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_4147"
                                            class="">3. The wake of the
                                            quanta or photon which emits
                                            a continuously expanding
                                            field. Think of the wake of
                                            a boat...not only is there a
                                            primary wake but secondary
                                            and beyond wakes. At the
                                            speed of light in vacuo, the
                                            wake is almost transverse to
                                            the quanta/photon. (ref:
                                            Froning and others) We have
                                            already seen other complex
                                            wake signatures<br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            <font class=""
                                              color="0000FF">This is
                                              beyond me. Can't wait to
                                              look it up. Do you have
                                              some more detailed
                                              references?</font><br
                                              class="">
                                          </span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            class=""><br class="">
                                          </span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_5026"
                                            class="">4. Conditioning of
                                            the photon beyond just
                                            containment and curvature -
                                            Suggestions vary...SU(n),
                                            ribbon like photon, photon
                                            interacting with path, CPT
                                            violating photon, phat
                                            photon, football of
                                            frequencies of quanta for
                                            photon,<span
                                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                              class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            <font class=""
                                              color="0000FF">I think it
                                              is wrong to put complex
                                              structure in a-priori.
                                              Such things as SU(n)
                                              should flow out of a
                                              model, not be put into it.</font><br
                                              class="">
                                          </span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            class=""><br class="">
                                          </span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_5204"
                                            class="">6. Modification of
                                            SRT/GRT - Probably won't
                                            work given the 100 or so
                                            theories that have attempted
                                            to assault GRT as premier. </span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_5327"
                                            class="">So far, the best
                                            that can be done is to
                                            linearize GRT using
                                            Hoyle-Narkilar (see </span> Lance
                                          Williams, Fearn, Miloni,etc)<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                          <br class="">
                                          <font class="" color="0000FF">I
                                            think SRT and GRT are both
                                            very nearly correct. Any
                                            proper theory must, at
                                            least, reduce to these in
                                            proper limits. SRT, for me,
                                            is absolutely so. GRT is a
                                            quite simple theory at
                                            present. Here there is more
                                            room for manoeuvre and this
                                            could be fun. I think the
                                            first step may be to replace
                                            the scalar curvature in GRT
                                            at present with a
                                            pseudoscalar curvature. This
                                            is, in itself, quite a big
                                            job. Any GRT experts in the
                                            group who would like to give
                                            it a go?</font><br class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            class=""><br class="">
                                          </span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_5219"
                                            class="">7. TOEs - Weyl,
                                            (Williams)Heim, extended
                                            Heim, E8, Quantum Gravity
                                            (cGh), loop quantum
                                            gravity...TOE is waiting on
                                            the photon and electron
                                            folks to figure out the
                                            right direction to take the
                                            next steps.<br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            <font class=""
                                              color="0000FF">Too true.
                                              One needs a proper theory
                                              of the photon and electron
                                              at least. Lets get on with
                                              it!</font><br class="">
                                          </span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            class=""><br class="">
                                          </span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_6679"
                                            class="">8. FTL approaches
                                            where GRT is preserved as a
                                            subset...may require
                                            negative vacuum, energy
                                            density conditioning or
                                            other "new and improved"
                                            approaches<br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            <font class=""
                                              color="0000FF">I think FTL
                                              is ok, provided it
                                              preserves the proper (in
                                              the relativistic sense)
                                              nature of the underlying
                                              absolute relativity.<br
                                                class="">
                                            </font></span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            class=""><br class="">
                                          </span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_5464"
                                            class="">Finally, an issue
                                            that impedes further
                                            progress may be inertial
                                            frames and frames of
                                            reference. Millis has for
                                            almost two decades been
                                            examining the issue. Here is
                                            a recent presentation (2014)
                                            on inertial frames.</span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://aspw.jpl.nasa.gov/files/ASPW2014%20PRESENTATIONS/WEDNESDAY/Breakthrough%20Prop/Millis.pdf"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_5609" class="" target="_blank">http://aspw.jpl.nasa.gov/files/ASPW2014%20PRESENTATIONS/WEDNESDAY/Breakthrough%20Prop/Millis.pdf</a><span
                                            class=""><br class="">
                                          </span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><br
                                            class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class="">See also
                                          2013</div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.globalsciencecollaboration.org/public/site/PDFS/time%20distance/Millis%20M.%20Warp%20Drives%20%26%20Wormholes.pdf"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_5760" class="" target="_blank">http://www.globalsciencecollaboration.org/public/site/PDFS/time%20distance/Millis%20M.%20Warp%20Drives%20%26%20Wormholes.pdf</a><br
                                            class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            class=""><br class="">
                                          </span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_6446"
                                            class="">Millis (2011)
                                            summarizes the Davis/Millis
                                            tome on "Frontiers in
                                            Propulsion Science" (2009). </span>Perhaps
                                          we need to collectively
                                          develop a vetting process
                                          specifically for the electron
                                          model similar to what Millis
                                          has done in Figure 1. </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1101.1063"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_6554" class="" target="_blank">http://arxiv.org/abs/1101.1063</a><br
                                            class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><br
                                            class="">
                                          <font class="" color="0000FF">Cannot
                                            wait to have a look at
                                            these. Next job!<br class="">
                                          </font><br class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3813"
                                          dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                            class="">David<br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            <font class=""
                                              color="0000FF">Regards to
                                              all.<span
                                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                                class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                              John W.</font><br class="">
                                          </span></div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_3978"
                                          class=""><br class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429288576442_4052"
                                          class=""><br class="">
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote
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                                                      Hiya Richard and
                                                      everyone,<br
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                                                      I'm afraid the
                                                      professor may have
                                                      a point. This is
                                                      related to what I
                                                      was saying in an
                                                      earlier email
                                                      about the nature
                                                      of charge and the
                                                      relationship to
                                                      gauge and to mass.
                                                      Do you remember
                                                      what she asked
                                                      exactly?<br
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                                                      To have a "charge"
                                                      you need to go to
                                                      a Coulomb-type
                                                      gauge, related to
                                                      the charge in that
                                                      specific frame.
                                                      This charge has a
                                                      (radial) field
                                                      associated with it
                                                      in this frame
                                                      which, itself, has
                                                      an energy density
                                                      (and since it is
                                                      pinned to that
                                                      frame a rest-mass
                                                      density). You are
                                                      positing an
                                                      oscillation
                                                      backwards and
                                                      forwards at
                                                      lightspeed (or
                                                      greater) of this
                                                      charge. This,
                                                      neccessarily,
                                                      takes one past
                                                      infinite gamma. If
                                                      one then wishes to
                                                      keep special
                                                      relativity, this
                                                      is not physically
                                                      possible. To be
                                                      fair, as I said
                                                      before, this
                                                      problem is also
                                                      there in the Dirac
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                                                      This has a big
                                                      problem with all
                                                      Yang-Mills type
                                                      theories (pretty
                                                      much all of QFT
                                                      then) and is a
                                                      well-known problem
                                                      in HEP and field
                                                      theory circles.
                                                      This problem has
                                                      remained
                                                      intractable for
                                                      more than half a
                                                      century since no
                                                      one had managed
                                                      (anyone know any
                                                      different?), until
                                                      my 2014 paper, to
                                                      write down a
                                                      covariant
                                                      wavefunction for
                                                      the photon, with
                                                      which to construct
                                                      an everywhere
                                                      lightspeed
                                                      solution without
                                                      this problem.<br
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                                                      At a simpler level
                                                      one needs a model,
                                                      such as the old
                                                      WvdM model, where
                                                      the photon remains
                                                      rest-massles and
                                                      chargeless - and
                                                      charge the arises
                                                      from the
                                                      re-configuration
                                                      of the field
                                                      inside a
                                                      double-loop
                                                      topology. The ac
                                                      photon field is
                                                      then "rectified"
                                                      in Andrews
                                                      parlance, to be
                                                      outward or inwards
                                                      directed by virtue
                                                      of the confinement
                                                      mechanism
                                                      (postulated in
                                                      that paper-
                                                      ascribed to the
                                                      new "pivot" term
                                                      in my new theory).
                                                      There is no
                                                      internal charge.
                                                      Charge emerges as
                                                      a consequence of
                                                      the kind of
                                                      confinement.<br
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                                                      Don't worry too
                                                      much ... these are
                                                      known problems and
                                                      I (think I) know
                                                      how to fix them.<br
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                                                      Regards, John W.<br
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                                                          on behalf of
                                                          Richard
                                                          Gauthier [<a
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                                                            My
                                                          presentation
                                                          at APS in
                                                          Baltimore on
                                                          Tuesday went
                                                          well in that
                                                          in 10 minutes
                                                          I presented
                                                          the material
                                                          as planned.
                                                          The session
                                                          had about 10
                                                          attendees, and
                                                          was moderated
                                                          by a professor
                                                          of theoretical
                                                          high energy
                                                          physics from
                                                          SLAC (This was
                                                          very good). My
                                                          powerpoint for
                                                          the session is
                                                          attached
                                                          below.</div>
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                                                          class="yiv2844246289">The
                                                          moderator
                                                          asked a
                                                          question
                                                          indicating
                                                          that she had
                                                          misunderstood
                                                          (perhaps
                                                          because of the
                                                          way I
                                                          expressed it)
                                                          a main idea in
                                                          my electron
                                                          model. She
                                                          thought that
                                                          because I
                                                          proposed that
                                                          the electron
                                                          is a
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged
                                                          photon, that
                                                          this implies
                                                          that gamma for
                                                          the electron
                                                          model is
                                                          infinite,
                                                          making the
                                                          model absurd.
                                                          But in the
                                                          model, while
                                                          the
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged
                                                          photon’s
                                                          velocity is c
                                                          along its
                                                          helical path,
                                                          it is the
                                                          charged
                                                          photon's
                                                          longitudinal
                                                          component
                                                          velocity v
                                                          that
                                                          corresponds to
                                                          v of the
                                                          electron. The
                                                          experimentally
                                                          measured
                                                          velocity v of
                                                          the electron
                                                          is always less
                                                          than c, so
                                                          gamma in the
                                                          model is
                                                          normal and not
                                                          infinite. I
                                                          didn’t have
                                                          time to
                                                          clarify this
                                                          to her after
                                                          my talk so I
                                                          will try to do
                                                          so by email. I
                                                          hope no one in
                                                          this group has
                                                          the
                                                          professor’s
                                                          misunderstanding
                                                          of my model on
                                                          this point.</div>
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                                                              Richard<br
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                                                          Apr 16, 2015,
                                                          at 10:54 PM,
                                                          Richard
                                                          Gauthier <<a
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                                                          for your
                                                          questions.</div>
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                                                           As far as I
                                                          know, a light
                                                          beam of normal
                                                          (uncharged,
                                                          spin 1 hbar)
                                                          photons is not
                                                          bent in a
                                                          strong
                                                          electric or
                                                          magnetic
                                                          field. The
                                                          proposed
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged photon
                                                          (spin 1/2 hbar
                                                          and charge -e
                                                          for an
                                                          electron) that
                                                          models an
                                                          electron would
                                                          of course bend
                                                          in both an
                                                          electric field
                                                          and a magnetic
                                                          field (unless
                                                          the electric
                                                          and magnetic
                                                          forces
                                                          cancelled each
                                                          other). </div>
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                                                          class="yiv2844246289">2.
                                                          As far as I
                                                          know, mass is
                                                          always
                                                          associated
                                                          with a charged
                                                          particle. In
                                                          the case of a
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged
                                                          photon, its
                                                          mass is the
                                                          energy that
                                                          the
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged photon
                                                          has when its
                                                          longitudinal
                                                          velocity
                                                          (called the
                                                          electron’s
                                                          velocity) is
                                                          at or near
                                                          zero, i.e.
                                                          m=Erest/c^2=
                                                          0.511 Mev/c^2
                                                          .</div>
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                                                          class="yiv2844246289">3.
                                                          The
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged photon
                                                          model of a
                                                          relativistic
                                                          electron does
                                                          not
                                                          incorporate a
                                                          specific model
                                                          of the charged
                                                          photon, so
                                                          different
                                                          charged photon
                                                          models could
                                                          have different
                                                          charge
                                                          distributions.
                                                          I doubt that
                                                          the
                                                          transluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          associated
                                                          with a photon
                                                          or an electron
                                                          in my models
                                                          of the photon
                                                          and the
                                                          electron is
                                                          point-like
                                                          since the
                                                          transluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          for a photon
                                                          or an electron
                                                          can pass
                                                          through a
                                                          double-slit
                                                          like an
                                                          extended
                                                          wave. The
                                                          charged
                                                          photon’s
                                                          electric
                                                          charge is
                                                          associated
                                                          with the
                                                          helical
                                                          movement of
                                                          the charged
                                                          photon at
                                                          light-speed
                                                          along its
                                                          helical
                                                          trajectory,
                                                          while an
                                                          uncharged spin
                                                          1 hbar photon
                                                          travels
                                                          linearly at
                                                          light-speed,
                                                          unless either
                                                          the electron
                                                          or photon is
                                                          being
                                                          diffracted by
                                                          a slit or
                                                          double slit
                                                          for example in
                                                          which case
                                                          their motions
                                                          are not yet
                                                          defined. In my
                                                          transluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          model of the
                                                          uncharged spin
                                                          1 hbar photon,
                                                          the photon is
                                                          itself
                                                          composed of a
                                                          helically
                                                          circulating
                                                          transluminal
                                                          energy
                                                          quantum, which
                                                          is uncharged.
                                                          In the
                                                          circulating-charged-photon
                                                          model of a
                                                          relativistic
                                                          electron,  the
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged photon
                                                          must have
                                                          spin-1/2 hbar
                                                          at least at
                                                          relativistic
                                                          velocities
                                                          because the
                                                          electron has
                                                          spin 1/2 hbar
                                                          at
                                                          relativistic
                                                          velocities, as
                                                          well as at
                                                          lower
                                                          velocities
                                                          .The energy
                                                          quantum
                                                          appears point
                                                          like (or very
                                                          small) when a
                                                          photon or
                                                          electron is
                                                          detected, in
                                                          which case we
                                                          say that we
                                                          detected a
                                                          photon or an
                                                          electron, when
                                                          what we
                                                          actually
                                                          detected is
                                                          the photon's
                                                          or electron’s
                                                          transluminal
                                                          energy
                                                          quantum. The
                                                          variability of
                                                          the position
                                                          and momentum
                                                          of the
                                                          helically-moving
                                                          transluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          in the photon
                                                          model exactly
                                                          matches the
                                                          minimum
                                                          requirement of
                                                          the Heisenberg
                                                          uncertainty
                                                          principle:
                                                          delta x times
                                                          delta p =
                                                          hbar/2 (as
                                                          shown in my
                                                          "transluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          models of the
                                                          photon and the
                                                          electron”
                                                          article.)
                                                          Perhaps it is
                                                          the variable
                                                          motion of the
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          generating a
                                                          particle that
                                                          requires the
                                                          Heisenberg
                                                          uncertainty
                                                          principle that
                                                          applies to
                                                          that particle.</div>
                                                          <div
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289"> 
                                                              Richard</div>
                                                          <br
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                                                          <blockquote
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                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">On
                                                          Apr 16, 2015,
                                                          at 12:34 PM,
                                                          Andrew
                                                          Meulenberg
                                                          <<a
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href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com" target="_blank">mules333@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br
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                                                          <div
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style="word-wrap:break-word">
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">Richard,<br
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                                                          <br
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                                                          clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">I
                                                          have begun to
                                                          incorporate
                                                          the various
                                                          positions;
                                                          but, I have a
                                                          few questions
                                                          on your model:<br
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">
                                                          <ol
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">
                                                          <li
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">Have
                                                          you ever found
                                                          any evidence
                                                          of a light
                                                          beam bending
                                                          in a strong
                                                          electric or
                                                          magnetic
                                                          field? (I have
                                                          speculated on
                                                          every photon
                                                          as being both
                                                          fermionic and
                                                          well as
                                                          bosonic, so
                                                          there could be
                                                          a basis for
                                                          the spin 1/2
                                                          component.)<br
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                                                          </li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">Do
                                                          you have any
                                                          evidence for a
                                                          charge not
                                                          having mass?</li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">How
                                                          is the charge
                                                          spatially
                                                          distributed
                                                          within the
                                                          photon?</li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">Andrew<br
class="yiv2844246289" clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">__________________________________-<br
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                                                          <br
                                                          class="yiv2844246289"
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                                                          Chandra,
                                                          Andrew and
                                                          others,</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289"> 
                                                           Here’s my
                                                          current
                                                          position paper
                                                          on my charged
                                                          photon model
                                                          of the
                                                          electron, and
                                                          the energy
                                                          quantum, with
                                                          an attached
                                                          Word file of
                                                          the same:</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal"
style="text-align:center" align="center"><b class="yiv2844246289"><span
class="yiv2844246289" style="font-size:14pt">Richard Gauthier’s position
                                                          on photon
                                                          models of the
                                                          electron, and
                                                          the
                                                          transluminal
                                                          energy quantum</span></b></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289"> <br
class="yiv2844246289x_webkit-block-placeholder" clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal"><b
class="yiv2844246289">Two types of non-pointlike electron models</b></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal"><b
class="yiv2844246289"> </b></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal">For
                                                          those who have
                                                          not accepted
                                                          the ideal that
                                                          the electron
                                                          is pointlike
                                                          with intrinsic
                                                          spin (as
                                                          accepted in
                                                          the standard
                                                          model), two
                                                          distinct loop
                                                          models with
                                                          variations
                                                          have been
                                                          proposed. The
                                                          first is a
                                                          single-loop
                                                          model where
                                                          the electron’s
                                                          charge or its
                                                          mass or
                                                          momentum or a
                                                          photon or
                                                          photon-like
                                                          object moves
                                                          circularly at
                                                          light-speed
                                                          around a loop
                                                          of
                                                          circumference
                                                          one Compton
                                                          wavelength
                                                          h/mc and
                                                          radius R1=
                                                          hbar/mc. The
                                                          second is a
                                                          double-loop
                                                          model that has
                                                          the charge or
                                                          mass or
                                                          momentum or a
                                                          photon or
                                                          photon-like
                                                          object moving
                                                          at light-speed
                                                          around a
                                                          double loop
                                                          whose total
                                                          length is also
                                                          one Compton
                                                          wavelength but
                                                          whose radius
                                                          is R2=hbar/2mc
                                                          .  Several
                                                          models of the
                                                          photon have
                                                          been combined
                                                          with these
                                                          basic or
                                                          generic single
                                                          or double-loop
                                                          models to
                                                          produce more
                                                          elaborate
                                                          models of the
                                                          electron.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289"> <br
class="yiv2844246289x_webkit-block-placeholder" clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal">One
                                                          main advantage
                                                          of the
                                                          single-loop
                                                          model is that
                                                          the calculated
                                                          magnitude of
                                                          the magnetic
                                                          moment due to
                                                          a circulating
                                                          light-speed
                                                          electron
                                                          charge is the
                                                          Bohr magneton
                                                          ehbar/2m (the
                                                          experimental
                                                          value of the
                                                          electron’s
                                                          magnetic
                                                          moment is
                                                          slightly more
                                                          than this.)
                                                          But the
                                                          calculated
                                                          spin
                                                          (z-component)
                                                          of this model
                                                          from the
                                                          circulating
                                                          momentum mc of
                                                          the photon of
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength
                                                          h/mc is Sz=R1
                                                          x p =
                                                          (hbar/mc) x mc
                                                          = hbar which
                                                          is twice the
                                                          spin of the
                                                          electron. The
                                                          experimental
                                                          value of the
                                                          spin ½ hbar of
                                                          the electron
                                                          has then to be
                                                          found from
                                                          some further
                                                          hypothesis
                                                          about the
                                                          single-loop
                                                          electron
                                                          model.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289"> <br
class="yiv2844246289x_webkit-block-placeholder" clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal">One
                                                          main advantage
                                                          of the
                                                          double-loop
                                                          model is that
                                                          the calculated
                                                          spin
                                                          (z-component)
                                                          is Sz=R2 x p =
                                                          (hbar/2mc) x
                                                          mc = hbar/2
                                                          which is the
                                                          correct
                                                          electron spin
                                                          (z-component).
                                                          But the
                                                          magnitude of
                                                          the magnetic
                                                          moment of this
                                                          model is found
                                                          to be ½ Bohr
                                                          magneton. The
                                                          experimental
                                                          value of the
                                                          electron’s
                                                          magnetic
                                                          moment
                                                          (slightly more
                                                          than 1 Bohr
                                                          magneton) has
                                                          then to be
                                                          calculated or
                                                          approximated
                                                          from some
                                                          further
                                                          hypothesis
                                                          about the
                                                          double-loop
                                                          model. The
                                                          double-loop
                                                          model also
                                                          contains the
                                                          zitterbewegung
                                                          frequency
                                                          fzitt=(2mc^2)/h
                                                          of the
                                                          electron found
                                                          from the Dirac
                                                          equation.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289"> <br
class="yiv2844246289x_webkit-block-placeholder" clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal">Both
                                                          the
                                                          single-loop
                                                          and
                                                          double-loop
                                                          models have
                                                          generally been
                                                          described for
                                                          a resting
                                                          (v=0)
                                                          electron. Some
                                                          models have
                                                          included
                                                          motion v>0
                                                          of the
                                                          electron to
                                                          try to account
                                                          for the
                                                          experimental
                                                          value of the
                                                          de Broglie
                                                          wavelength
                                                          Ldb=h/(gamma m
                                                          v) of a moving
                                                          electron, and
                                                          the
                                                          experimental
                                                          value of the
                                                          very small
                                                          (around or
                                                          less than
                                                          10^-18m) of
                                                          relativistic
                                                          electrons
                                                          found in high
                                                          energy
                                                          electron
                                                          scattering
                                                          experiments.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289"> <br
class="yiv2844246289x_webkit-block-placeholder" clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal"><b
class="yiv2844246289">Gauthier’s charged photon model of the electron</b></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal"><b
class="yiv2844246289"> </b></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal">My
                                                          approach has
                                                          been to model
                                                          the electron
                                                          relativistically
                                                          as a helically
                                                          circulating
                                                          double-looping
                                                          photon. The
                                                          photon carries
                                                          the electron’s
                                                          charge and has
                                                          spin ½ hbar,
                                                          the same as
                                                          that of an
                                                          electron,
                                                          rather than
                                                          spin hbar of
                                                          an uncharged
                                                          photon. By
                                                          equating the
                                                          moving
                                                          electron’s
                                                          relativistic
                                                          energy E=gamma
                                                          mc^2 with the
                                                          photon’s
                                                          energy E=hf,
                                                          the charged
                                                          photon is
                                                          found to have
                                                          frequency
                                                          f=(gamma
                                                          mc^2)/h and a
                                                          wavelength L=
                                                          h/(gamma mc).
                                                          While this
                                                          frequency f
                                                          was used by
                                                          deBroglie to
                                                          derive the
                                                          electron’s
                                                          deBroglie
                                                          wavelength,
                                                          the wavelength
                                                          L=h/(gamma mc)
                                                          of a
                                                          hypothesized
                                                          photon
                                                          corresponding
                                                          to a
                                                          relativistic
                                                          electron has
                                                          never
                                                          previously
                                                          been reported
                                                          or utilized to
                                                          my knowledge,
                                                          neither by de
                                                          Broglie nor by
                                                          others
                                                          (including
                                                          other electron
                                                          modelers.)</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289"> <br
class="yiv2844246289x_webkit-block-placeholder" clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal">The
                                                          charged photon
                                                          in the above
                                                          model has
                                                          these three
                                                          photon
                                                          characteristics:
                                                          1) its energy
                                                          E=hf, 2) its
                                                          momentum 
                                                          p=h/L, 3) its
                                                          speed of light
                                                          c=fL. In
                                                          addition it
                                                          has 4) the
                                                          electron’s
                                                          charge, 5) a
                                                          light-speed
                                                          helical motion
                                                          and 6) a spin
                                                          ½ hbar.  In
                                                          addition the
                                                          radius of the
                                                          helix for a
                                                          resting
                                                          electron
                                                          (where the
                                                          helix becomes
                                                          a circle) is
                                                          hbar/2mc .
                                                          When these
                                                          first 3
                                                          characteristics
                                                          and the
                                                          resting
                                                          electron
                                                          radius are
                                                          combined with
                                                          the helical
                                                          motion of
                                                          characteristic
                                                          5, a unique
                                                          helical
                                                          trajectory
                                                          (except for
                                                          right or left
                                                          turning) is
                                                          found for the
                                                          charged photon
                                                          model of the
                                                          electron. Some
                                                          of its
                                                          characteristics
                                                          are:</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289"> <br
class="yiv2844246289x_webkit-block-placeholder" clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">1)<span
class="yiv2844246289" style="font-size:7pt">  <span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Its
                                                          radius for a
                                                          resting
                                                          electron is R2
                                                          = hbar/2mc</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">2)<span
class="yiv2844246289" style="font-size:7pt">  <span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The
                                                          radius of  the
                                                          charged
                                                          photon’s
                                                          helical
                                                          trajectory
                                                          decreases with
                                                          increasing
                                                          electron speed
                                                          as R=
                                                          R2/(gamma^2)</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">3)<span
class="yiv2844246289" style="font-size:7pt">  <span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The
                                                          longitudinal
                                                          component of
                                                          the charged
                                                          photon’s
                                                          helical speed
                                                          c is the speed
                                                          v of the
                                                          electron being
                                                          modeled. The
                                                          forward angle
                                                          theta of the
                                                          circulating
                                                          helix is given
                                                          by cos (theta)
                                                          = v/c.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">4)<span
class="yiv2844246289" style="font-size:7pt">  <span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The
                                                          electron’s
                                                          momentum
                                                          p=gamma mv is
                                                          the
                                                          longitudinal
                                                          component of
                                                          the
                                                          circulating
                                                          photon’s
                                                          momentum
                                                          P=gamma mc.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">5)<span
class="yiv2844246289" style="font-size:7pt">  <span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The
                                                          pitch of the
                                                          charged
                                                          photon’s
                                                          helical
                                                          trajectory is
                                                          maximum for v=
                                                          c/sqrt(2) and
                                                          gamma =
                                                          sqrt(2), where
                                                          theta = 45
                                                          degrees. The
                                                          maximum
                                                          helical pitch
                                                          here is pi Ro,
                                                          and decreases
                                                          towards zero
                                                          as v->0 and
                                                          as v->c.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">6)<span
class="yiv2844246289" style="font-size:7pt">  <span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The
                                                          longitudinal
                                                          component of
                                                          the charged
                                                          photon’s wave
                                                          vector K
                                                          corresponding
                                                          the
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged
                                                          photon’s
                                                          relativistic
                                                          wavelength
                                                          L=h/(gamma mc)
                                                          generates the
                                                          de Broglie
                                                          wavelength of
                                                          the electron
                                                          h/(gamma mv)</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">7)<span
class="yiv2844246289" style="font-size:7pt">  <span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The
                                                          transverse
                                                          component of
                                                          the
                                                          circulating
                                                          photon’s
                                                          momentum is
                                                          ptrans=mc. At
                                                          v=0, this
                                                          transverse
                                                          momentum when
                                                          combined with
                                                          the
                                                          circulating
                                                          photon’s
                                                          helical radius
                                                          hbar/2mc gives
                                                          the electron’s
                                                          spin Sz= + or
                                                          – hbar/2</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289">8)<span
class="yiv2844246289" style="font-size:7pt">  <span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Since
                                                          the electron
                                                          has spin ½
                                                          hbar at highly
                                                          relativistic
                                                          velocities,
                                                          the spin of
                                                          the
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged photon
                                                          must also be ½
                                                          hbar, since in
                                                          the charged
                                                          photon model
                                                          of the
                                                          electron it is
                                                          the charged
                                                          photon’s spin
                                                          at highly
                                                          relativistic
                                                          velocities
                                                          that gives the
                                                          electron model
                                                          its spin ½
                                                          hbar at these
                                                          velocities.
                                                          The
                                                          contribution
                                                          of the helical
                                                          radius R of
                                                          the charged
                                                          photon’s axis
                                                          to the
                                                          electron
                                                          model’s spin
                                                          Sz is R x mc =
                                                          hbar/(2mc
                                                          gamma^2) x mc
                                                          =
                                                          hbar/(2gamma^2)
                                                          which is
                                                          hbar/2 when
                                                          v=0 but
                                                          decreases
                                                          towards zero
                                                          at highly
                                                          relativistic
                                                          velocities.
                                                          The charged
                                                          photon’s spin
                                                          ½ hbar remains
                                                          constant at
                                                          highly
                                                          relativistic
                                                          velocities and
                                                          therefore
                                                          gives the
                                                          electron model
                                                          its spin ½
                                                          hbar at these
                                                          highly
                                                          relativistic
                                                          velocities.</div>
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class="yiv2844246289x_webkit-block-placeholder" clear="none">
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                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal">An
                                                          objection to
                                                          the charged
                                                          photon model
                                                          that has been
                                                          repeatedly
                                                          raised is that
                                                          an electron
                                                          has spin ½
                                                          hbar and is a
                                                          fermion while
                                                          a photon has
                                                          spin 1 hbar
                                                          and is a
                                                          boson, so an
                                                          electron
                                                          cannot be a
                                                          charged
                                                          photon. But if
                                                          a circulating
                                                          photon
                                                          carrying the
                                                          electron’s
                                                          charge has
                                                          spin ½ hbar it
                                                          is not a boson
                                                          but a fermion.
                                                          In other
                                                          words, photons
                                                          may be of two
                                                          types:
                                                          uncharged with
                                                          spin 1 hbar 
                                                          (boson) and
                                                          charged with
                                                          spin ½ hbar
                                                          (fermion).</div>
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                                                          </div>
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                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal"><b
class="yiv2844246289">Gauthier’s transluminal energy quantum model of
                                                          the photon and
                                                          a spin ½
                                                          photon model</b></div>
                                                          <div
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class="yiv2844246289"> </b></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal">A
                                                          spin ½ hbar
                                                          photon model
                                                          is needed that
                                                          satisfies this
                                                          requirement of
                                                          the charged
                                                          photon model
                                                          of the
                                                          electron. One
                                                          such model is
                                                          obtained by
                                                          modifying
                                                          Gauthier’s
                                                          transluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          model of the
                                                          photon, which
                                                          has spin 1
                                                          hbar and is
                                                          described in
                                                          another
                                                          publication
                                                          (“Transluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          models of the
                                                          photon and the
                                                          electron”).
                                                          Suffice it to
                                                          say here that
                                                          when the
                                                          transluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          photon model’s
                                                          helical radius
                                                          of Lambda/2pi
                                                          is changed to
                                                          Lambda/4pi,
                                                          the photon’s
                                                          spin is
                                                          reduced from
                                                          hbar to hbar/2
                                                          and the photon
                                                          obtained
                                                          becomes a
                                                          candidate for
                                                          the spin ½
                                                          hbar photon
                                                          that is
                                                          required for
                                                          the charged
                                                          photon model
                                                          of the
                                                          electron.</div>
                                                          <div
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                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv2844246289x_MsoNormal">The
                                                          general
                                                          concept of the
                                                          transluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          as a
                                                          fundamental
                                                          quantum
                                                          particle is
                                                          that electrons
                                                          and photons as
                                                          well as other
                                                          fundamental
                                                          particles may
                                                          be composed of
                                                          these energy
                                                          quanta with
                                                          different
                                                          characteristics
                                                          that produce
                                                          gluons,
                                                          quarks,
                                                          neutrinos,
                                                          muons and tau
                                                          particles, W
                                                          and Z
                                                          particles and
                                                          the Higgs
                                                          boson, and
                                                          possibly dark
                                                          matter
                                                          particles as
                                                          well. A quark
                                                          may be a
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged gluon
                                                          in a similar
                                                          way that an
                                                          electron may
                                                          be a
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged
                                                          photon. This
                                                          last paragraph
                                                          is meant to be
                                                          suggestive of
                                                          the possible
                                                          power of the
                                                          concept of the
                                                          transluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          for
                                                          structuring
                                                          oscillating
                                                          energy into
                                                          various
                                                          physical
                                                          particles with
                                                          their
                                                          characteristics,
                                                          but more
                                                          theoretical as
                                                          well as
                                                          experimental
                                                          research is
                                                          needed here.</div>
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