<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello John W and John D,<div class=""> Let’s start by getting rid of the “just plain wrong” stuff here that is not ok to use in an attempt to convince the outside world that we are serious and not cranks. I wouldn’t want to necessarily exclude speculative stuff because that’s what new discoveries often evolve from (for example de Broglie’s prediction of an electron wavelength when there was no experimental evidence for this. Ill-informed stuff also may or may not be “just plain wrong” and could be improved or corrected by better information.</div><div class=""> So what is the just plain wrong stuff here that you would like to get rid of? Please be specific. Thanks.</div><div class=""> Richard</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 25, 2015, at 2:01 AM, John Duffield <<a href="mailto:johnduffield@btconnect.com" class="">johnduffield@btconnect.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><i class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">“Any communications of this to the outside world needs to get rid of the speculative, ill informed, or just plain wrong stuff that is perfectly ok within the context of an online discussion or over a pint or two, but not ok at all if we wish to make a serious attempt at convincing the outside world“.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Well said John.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Regards<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">John D<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a href="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" class="">mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John Williamson<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>24 April 2015 14:46<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>David Mathes; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Manohar .; Nick Bailey; Anthony Booth; Ariane Mandray<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] Articles of interest<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">Dear David and everyone,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">Sounds as though MIT does a bit of a better job of promoting itself than I do (what a surprise!).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">There is nothing much new in looking at single electrons. SLAC was doing this for years in HEP with its linear accelerator. For that matter Millikan was sensitive to single electrons with his oil-drop experiment – and the school I went to was enlightened enough to let me do this experiment myself at the age of sixteen or so. What is marvelous is that they can make it sound as though detecting one electron something sexy! Robert Hadfield (in our group) is in the business of detecting single photons and John Weaver (in our group) has huge capability to look at individual electrons with some of his work as well. This stuff is widely published!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">More important than looking at detecting single electrons (easy enough!) is looking at the underlying sub-electron structure. Back in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s I was in the business of looking at just that. I designed a single electron electrometer sensitive at down to about a thousandth of the electron charge. If you look at my Google scholar page you can find several papers related to this. The device could also be used as a single electron pump, to deliver a stream of electrons phase locked to the frequency of a varying gate potential. My paper (see attached), looking at the electron sub-structure delivered electrons one-at-a-time and probe the profile of the individual electron wave-function with a resolution of better than a tenth of its de Broglie wavelength. This experimental work did not stop when I left the field of course. Leo Kouwenhoven, in particular, spent many years investigating my single-electron electrometer device (and creating new ones) in the last quarter of a century. There is now a very great deal of experimental information about the inner structure of matter, electrons (and photons) with which to work.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">What was lacking then, and is still not widely accepted now, is a proper theoretical framework within which to interpret this inner structure. This is what we have to do. Firstly develop the theoretical framework and secondly get the message out.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">We have to convince people we are not crazies and that this is serious, new science. That is what will be hard. Any communications of this to the outside world needs to get rid of the speculative , ill informed, or just plain wrong stuff that is perfectly ok within the context of an online discussion or over a pint or two, but not ok at all if we wish to make a serious attempt at convincing the outside world.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">Regards, John.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" class=""></span></div><div id="divRpF596178" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a href="mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" class="">general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] on behalf of David Mathes [<a href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" class="">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a>]<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:11 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[General] Articles of interest</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div id="yiv0683291479" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_26649" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_26648" class=""><div id="yiv0683291479" class=""><div id="yiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_24992" class=""><div id="yiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_24991" class=""><div id="yiv0683291479" class=""><div id="yiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_3591" class=""><div id="yiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_3590" class=""><div id="yiv0683291479" class=""><div id="yiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_24313" class=""><div id="yiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_24312" class=""><div id="yiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Science moves on...two articles of interest for the discussion.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div></div><div id="yiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Detecting a single electron<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/magnetic-system-detects-single-electrons-0421" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/magnetic-system-detects-single-electrons-0421</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div></div><div id="yiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Detecting photons on the fly<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; 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