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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hi All<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Sorry I did not include a description.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>The idea is that photons are made of fields, propagating as a wave, with a fixed velocity, and that the field lines would therefore spiral when spinning. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>The red lines are the more negative and the blue the more positive. They fall off in strength as they get farther from the axis.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Flat version, no spin, viewed from the side:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><img width=259 height=133 id="Picture_x0020_16" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D07FF7.03FB12A0"><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Viewed from the direction of travel:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><img width=357 height=315 id="_x0000_i1030" src="cid:image004.jpg@01D07FF7.03FB12A0"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>And from the side:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><img width=272 height=238 id="_x0000_i1031" src="cid:image008.jpg@01D07FF7.03FB12A0"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Chip<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> General [mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>robert hudgins<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 25, 2015 9:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Photon Spin<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear Friends of Light, <br>Pardon my intrusion on your discussion. I have been warned that I will be excluded unless I actively participate. <br><br>Chip's diagram's are beautiful! His skill is enviable. However, it provokes questions. Why spin h and not 1/2? Are colors charge related? <br><br>The photon may be a useful abstraction for expressing the way light energy is packaged, rather than a stable, traceable entity. After the photon energy has been assembled it may travel as a loosely entangled assembly of EM waves that may follow unpredictable paths-- until they are condensed and captured by a resonator. Though the electron is clearly more discreet, it might also travel as an assembly of waves that pass through both openings of a double slit while engaging in constructive or destructive interference. <br>I am having conceptual difficulty imagining a topological twist that totally conceals only the positive charge of a photon. <br><br>Is an EM wave having only negative polarity a plausible construct? Are electrons without a positive partners being created with any frequency today?<br><br>Thanks for your patience,<br>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=stopSpelling></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From: <a href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">chipakins@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 17:59:56 -0500<br>Subject: Re: [General] Einstein Philosophy by Dyson<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hi All</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Just finished computing a possible field topology for a photon with spin h.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Viewed from the longitudinal axis:</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><img border=0 width=522 height=460 id="ecxPicture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D07FF5.E9B14B90"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>And the side…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><img border=0 width=459 height=402 id="ecxPicture_x0020_2" src="cid:image002.png@01D07FF5.E9B14B90"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Chip</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> General [<a href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark, Martin van der<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:47 AM<br><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Einstein Philosophy by Dyson</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear Chandra,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I agree. I think that Einstein was even more right than he realized himself, but the future must show us.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Bohr did a great job on finding the structure of the atom and introduced a revoltionary way of thinking to hold up the postulates required. That way of thinking, however, is merely a scafolding, and it should be removed to see the truth and beauty lying hidden behind it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Copenhagen interpretation is now no more than a dogma that hampers progress!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Cheers, Martin<br><br>Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br>Op 25 apr. 2015 om 01:32 heeft chandra <<a href="mailto:chandra@phys.uconn.edu">chandra@phys.uconn.edu</a>> het volgende geschreven:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Friends: </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>For a brief moment, allow me to change the subject. Freeman Dyson is an excellent writer. In the last part of his “Book Review” article (attached), Dyson beautifully summarizes the three philosophical positions of Einstein (Classical), Bohr (Duality) and the current generation (</span>Quantum-Only<span style='font-size:11.0pt'>). To save time and to get to the philosophy segment, jump to the bottom of the picture showing Bohr and Einstein goofing and relaxing!</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>My philosophical position is more in line with Einstein; while acknowledging that the one of the three key reasons behind the emergence of quantum uncertainty is “because the processes in the second layer are unobservable” (Dyson). This is why I have proposed, with demonstrated experiments in my book (“Causal Physics”), that when we start framing our enquiring postulates to imagine and visualize the invisible interaction processes, the nature start to become a lot more transparent even within the current QM formalisms. Further, this philosophy of Interaction Process Mapping Epistemology (IPME) shows that current QM, in spite of its great successes, a next generation formalism with deeper levels of enquiry has to be developed by the next generation. In other words, I am suggesting that our Knowledge Gatekeepers should change their blind devotion to currently successful theories and encourage the next generation to come up with various serious but radically different possible approaches. Our conference platform is one such example.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>If we do not deliberately frame our enquiring questions to visualize the invisible aspects of nature’s interaction processes; we will forever remain in the darkness of duality. Duality represents ignorance; it does not represent new or better knowledge. We have to go beyond Bohr.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Chandra.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> General [<a href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra=phys.uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chandra=phys.uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Williamson<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 24, 2015 9:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> David Mathes; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br><b>Cc:</b> Manohar .; Nick Bailey; Anthony Booth; Ariane Mandray<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Articles of interest</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear David and everyone,</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Sounds as though MIT does a bit of a better job of promoting itself than I do (what a surprise!).</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>There is nothing much new in looking at single electrons. SLAC was doing this for years in HEP with its linear accelerator. For that matter Millikan was sensitive to single electrons with his oil-drop experiment – and the school I went to was enlightened enough to let me do this experiment myself at the age of sixteen or so. What is marvelous is that they can make it sound as though detecting one electron something sexy! Robert Hadfield (in our group) is in the business of detecting single photons and John Weaver (in our group) has huge capability to look at individual electrons with some of his work as well. This stuff is widely published!</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>More important than looking at detecting single electrons (easy enough!) is looking at the underlying sub-electron structure. Back in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s I was in the business of looking at just that. I designed a single electron electrometer sensitive at down to about a thousandth of the electron charge. If you look at my Google scholar page you can find several papers related to this. The device could also be used as a single electron pump, to deliver a stream of electrons phase locked to the frequency of a varying gate potential. My paper (see attached), looking at the electron sub-structure delivered electrons one-at-a-time and probe the profile of the individual electron wave-function with a resolution of better than a tenth of its de Broglie wavelength. This experimental work did not stop when I left the field of course. Leo Kouwenhoven, in particular, spent many years investigating my single-electron electrometer device (and creating new ones) in the last quarter of a century. There is now a very great deal of experimental information about the inner structure of matter, electrons (and photons) with which to work. </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>What was lacking then, and is still not widely accepted now, is a proper theoretical framework within which to interpret this inner structure. This is what we have to do. Firstly develop the theoretical framework and secondly get the message out. </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>We have to convince people we are not crazies and that this is serious, new science. That is what will be hard. Any communications of this to the outside world needs to get rid of the speculative , ill informed, or just plain wrong stuff that is perfectly ok within the context of an online discussion or over a pint or two, but not ok at all if we wish to make a serious attempt at convincing the outside world. </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Regards, John.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div id=ecxdivRpF596178><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> General [<a href="mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] on behalf of David Mathes [<a href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> [General] Articles of interest</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div id=ecxyiv0683291479><div id="ecxyui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_26649"><div id="ecxyui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_26648"><div id=ecxyiv0683291479><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_24992"><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_24991"><div id=ecxyiv0683291479><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_3591"><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429736042318_3590"><div id=ecxyiv0683291479><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_24313"><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429715774905_24312"><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Science moves on...two articles of interest for the discussion.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Detecting a single electron</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/magnetic-system-detects-single-electrons-0421" target="_blank">https://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/magnetic-system-detects-single-electrons-0421</a></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Detecting photons on the fly</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="http://spie.org/x113450.xml" target="_blank">http://spie.org/x113450.xml</a></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ecxyiv0683291479yui_3_16_0_1_1429712448364_23051"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span 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