<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530"><span>Andrew</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr">Insufficient information...and traffic is currently tolerable. I'l like to think there is always room for one more, but I'd like to believe that we are not finished with the current investigation into the electron/photon relationship. So Im interested in seeing the serious study before diluting the current effort. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr" class="" style="">This current investigation looks like:</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr" class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr" class="" style="">(Standard Model - <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20831" class="" style="">electron - photon)</b> - quanta (1)</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr" class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr" class="" style=""><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr" class="" style="">What is being proposed is an expansion of the discussion to the</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr" class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr" class="" style="">(Periodic Table) - (Standard Model - <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20831" class="" style="">electron - photon)</b> - quanta (2)<br class="" style=""></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr" class="" style=""><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr" class="" style=""><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr" class="" style="">We can take a practical view and say the investigation is proceeding along the following lines of relationships:</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr" class="" style=""><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr" class="" style="">Bound electron -<b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_21399"> Free electron - free photon</b> - bound quanta - free quanta (3)</div><div dir="ltr" class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_21192"><br class="" style=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_21192"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_21193">We can go one step further and eliminate electron...</div><div dir="ltr" class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_21193"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_21193"><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_21431">Bound charged photon - confined charged photon - free photon</b> - bound quanta - free quanta (4)</div><div dir="ltr" class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_21193"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_21193" style="">Of course, anti-particles are assumed to behave similarly at least for now. So my first impression is a bound photon model will have conflicts with the modeling antimatter. Can the bound charge photon model satisfy Dirac and Schrodinger zbw?</div><div dir="ltr" class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_21193"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_21193">My second impressions is "Are we looking at the same thing but using different terms?"</div><div dir="ltr" class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_21193"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr">Right now, the focus is on the internals of the electron as defined by the photon or quanta. Any structural electron proposal must meet some experimental requirement to have a connection to nature. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr">In my humble opinion, the Mills model of a bound photon around the nucleus may be yet another view of the elephant called the electron in the Standard Model.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr">If I understand Mills theory correctly, the issue is the charged photon as a captured photon that is confined not just by momentum considerations, but by charge as well. So this model may be an induced charge model that transforms a photon into virtually an electron. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr">More info needed before a decision...</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr">David</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20530" dir="ltr"><br></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20535"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20534"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20533"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20532"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20531"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20536"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Andrew Meulenberg <mules333@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Mary Fletcher <marycfletcher@gmail.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, May 3, 2015 4:55 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [General] New views from new people?<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20537"><br><div id="yiv5291361714"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20543"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20542"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20541"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20540"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20539"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20538">Dear folks,<br><br></div>Most of this group has some image of a 'twisted' photon as the basis of electrons. A member of a different forum has done a serious study of Randall MIlls hydrino structure that proposes the bound atomic (and subatomic) electrons to be bound photons, but bound around a nucleus, not themselves. This addresses some of the same issues that we have, but obviously does not consider some aspects that we consider vital to the story.<br><br></div><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430650760491_20805">Question</b>s:<br></div><ol><li> Do we open up the group to yet another view, or <br></li><li>do we suggest that he wait until after the conference and we have had a chance to solidify our already many different views into a (hopefully) more complete picture?</li><li>Do we want to allow 'outsiders' access to our 'private' discussions on the topic?<br></li></ol><br></div>Any votes and alternative plans are welcome. We have the ability to filter emails that (I believe) will allow us to block individuals' emails by subject(from the website( and by name (from our browsers), if we do not have time to read the new ideas and discussion.<br><br></div>Andrew<br><br><br></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at <a ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a><br><a href="<a href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1" target="_blank">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a>"><br>Click here to unsubscribe<br></a><br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div></body></html>