<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470"><span>John</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3998">Castles in the air are just another name for a spaceship...</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3835" class="" style="">In reading the 5 page write up, I'm still a bit skeptical. </span>The theory carefully avoids discussion of Mach theory. However, the derivation of impedance is good with c and G accounted for, but h is not. So while this theory is useful, it's more of a relativistic argument only and not fully embracing QM, and therefore not quantum gravity. Even if cGh were all accounted for, the presumption is that the current values are the maximum. However, this leads to the more daunting challenge of increasing or varying any one of those values. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3849">What are the 17 different fields? I assume you are referring to the set of 16 standard model particles plus Higgs? What if there is just one more field?</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470" dir="ltr" class="" style="">Can the spacetime energy density vary? Is a negative vacuum permitted?</div><div dir="ltr" class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_4490"><br class="" style=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_4490"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470" class="" style="">Does it vary linearly? Is it subject to the Schwinger limit where results go from linear to non-linear?</div><div dir="ltr" class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_4496"><br class="" style=""></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470" dir="ltr" class="" style="">Given your conclusion that <span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3766" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11.5px;">waves of any kind that propagate in the medium </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11.5px;" class="">with impedance </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11.5px;" class="">Z</span><span class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 7.5px;">s</span><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3646" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11.5px;" class=""> = c</span><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3647" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 9px;" class="">^3</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11.5px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3892">/G and strain amplitude A</span><span class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 7.5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3893">s =</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11.5px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3894"> L</span><span class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 7.5px;">p</span><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3648" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11.5px;" class="">/(2pi λ) will propagate at c, the speed of light, are you assuming a fixed numeric value for c? </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470">David</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11.5px;"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11.5px;"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3470"><br></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3558"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3557"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3556"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3555"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3554"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> John Macken <john@macken.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Nature of Light and Particles <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 4, 2015 12:12 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [General] Energy Density of Spacetime<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3559"><br><div id="yiv8488589259"><style><!--
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--></style><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3562"><div class="yiv8488589259WordSection1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3561"><div class="yiv8488589259MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3560"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;">Hello Everyone,</span></div><div class="yiv8488589259MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3598"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;"> </span></div><div class="yiv8488589259MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3570"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3569">One of my major points has been that I think that your electron models are like castles in the sky that lack a solid foundation. I am attempting to give you this foundation so that you can explain your models as being constructed of something fundamental and quantifiable. </span></div><div class="yiv8488589259MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3571"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;"> </span></div><div class="yiv8488589259MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3564"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3565">In an earlier post someone asked me a question to the effect of: Why does the proposed tremendous energy density of spacetime not collapse into a black hole? This simple question has taken me two weeks and 5 pages to answer. See the attached Word or PDF documents (they are the same). This has been a wonderful challenge because I expanded this into a challenge to see if I could prove that spacetime possesses energy density of about 10<sup>113</sup> J/m<sup>3</sup> without referencing any ideas from quantum mechanics. I have succeeded by using an equation from general relativity and an equation from acoustics. </span></div><div class="yiv8488589259MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3563"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;"> </span></div><div class="yiv8488589259MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3573"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3572">The attached Word document is actually a revised part of my book that incorporates both the derivation of the energy density of spacetime and the answer to the question about black holes. My hope is that I can convince some of you that it is not necessary to talk in vague terms of “waves” or “fields”. These are merely giving names to something that needs to be specified more completely. The reader should ask: What exactly is the “wave” or “field” made of? I see your pictures that attempt to represent electrons. However, the pictures do not specify the fundamental material used to construct the electron. </span></div><div class="yiv8488589259MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3574"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;"> </span></div><div class="yiv8488589259MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3576"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3575">The first step in elevating these electron models is to convince you that spacetime has quantifiable energy density that is compatible with your existing views about general relativity and cosmology. I hope that the either of the attached documents take a big step towards that goal. </span></div><div class="yiv8488589259MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;"> </span></div><div class="yiv8488589259MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3577"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;">John M.</span></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at <a ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a><br><a href="<a href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1" target="_blank" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1430767222079_3578">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a>"><br>Click here to unsubscribe<br></a><br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div></body></html>