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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear David,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Light has mass, it is always the same: m=E/c^2 = hbar*omega or m=p/c=hbar*k. If it hits you, you will notice its momentum, hence its mass. Only if you put it
in a box you will really be able to experience the mass as gravitational, see “light is heavy” for a proper explanation of the relativistic facts and confusions. The reason is that with the box around it cannot fly away so that you will not be able to interact
with it to actually notice the mass.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The experiments you mention do just that: making a box.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards, Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">Dr. Martin B. van der Mark</span><span lang="DE" style="color:navy"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> General [mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Mathes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> dinsdag 26 mei 2015 6:29<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Force Equations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">If the gravitational component stops oscillating, then the non-oscillating component might provide insight into a stopped or frozen photon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Does the Poynting vector disappear if there is no oscillation? That is, is the Poynting vector frequency dependent? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">To examine this point, perhaps we need to move up to four-vector or full tensor at least for the theory<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">So far, photon-defined electron theories assume zero for the rest mass for the photon. If the photon has mass, one would expect charge. If there is
mass with no charge, we have some explaining to do. And better measurement of mass is required. So, if we could stop the photon and measure the mass - no matter how small but greater than zero - should we expect charge?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">The current batch of electron theories suggest that photons are confined, contained, and charged to form an electron. So a linear path photon undergoes
a transformation to a curved path charged photon that behaves like the electron. However, the photon is massless and the electron has a clearly defined mass. Perhaps we cannot measure the photon mass because it's so small. After all, if there is any mass to
the photon, then it might be possible to lower the mass even further and create the massless particle. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">If we could stop a photon and then restart the photon, one would expect the photon to continue on it's original vector. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> There are at least two papers where photons have been stopped or frozen. In the following experiment, light was stopped for about one minute. This
store-and-forward photon may be the basis of future quantum computing and communications systems. Then a few years later, a photon was "frozen" with an opaque crystal. To me, this trapping sounds like a squeezed state or a Glauber state.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333;font-weight:normal">Stopped Light and Image Storage by Electromagnetically Induced Transparency up to the Regime of One Minute<o:p></o:p></span></h3>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.111.033601">http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.111.033601</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">The mechanisms for stopping or freezing light aren't fully understood which may include CPT violation or other anomalies. One possibility is the photon
is in a squeezed state or a Glauber coherence state. If chirality suffers, the we have a parity violation resulting in CP or PT violations since CPT violations come in pairs. If charge is created by this stopped photon, is mass created? Then we have CP and
CT as options. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Photons are normally considered to be non-stop particles. However, in these two cases they appear more as direct flight particles with zero mass that
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">How would a photon with a rest mass affect the photon-electron relationship?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> Andrew Meulenberg <<a href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com">mules333@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 25, 2015 8:07 PM<br>
<b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432610268202_9592">Subject:</b> Re: [General] Force Equations</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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You may be saving me a lot of work. I was planning on working on super-gravity this year and was basing it on energy-density-induced non-linearities. You may have solved the problem, or at least laid the ground work, before I ever get to it. Your statement
"... gravitational waves require spacetime to have the specified <u>energy density</u>... ," is definitely pushing in the right direction. General Relativity is concerned about mass. At the basic level, it is mass/energy density that controls the interactions.
This goes to the nuclear levels, i.e., below the region of validity for QM as we know it.<br>
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Your study of the various ratios, and the identification of relationships leads to a whole field of information that is to easy to overlook without your signposts.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">However, I have also had two other major successes which I will briefly mention here. In the future I will dedicate a separate email
to each of these other subjects. First, my son Jim, has generated computer simulations which show various characteristics of my particle model. Since my model quantifies frequency, amplitude and impedance, my models actually represent calculated effects.
I might be able to send some computer simulations tomorrow. </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Another success is that I can now show that my model of fundamental particles gives new insights into the electric field and the gravitational
field generated by an electron or other fundamental particle. I previously concluded that an electron’s electric field contains both a non-oscillating strain of spacetime that produces most of the effects we associate with the electric field. However, there
is also an oscillating distortion of spacetime at the electron’s Compton frequency. We know the energy density of an electron’s electric field, the frequency and the impedance of spacetime, so we can calculate the amplitude of the wave required to produce
the known energy density of the electron’s electric field. This amplitude exactly corresponds to the expected magnitude and distribution expected from my particle model.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">The new gravitational insight is: I can now prove that gravity also has both a non-oscillating component that produces curved spacetime
and an oscillating component that implies that a gravitational field also has energy density. When you compare the energy density of a gravitational field to the “interactive energy density of spacetime”, it is possible to see how the combination produces
the curved spacetime.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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and some older information which was partly covered in a previous attachment. However, I decided to include some of that older information also since it sets the stage for the new information. I had to start somewhere, so the attachment starts in the middle
of the book. Even though there is a vast amount of missing information, I think that you will be able to get the key points from the attachment. </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">My approach based on spacetime allows much more detailed analysis than the rest of the group because I start with specific properties
of spacetime which can be quantified. I have dipole waves in spacetime which have specific frequencies, produce specific displacements of space and time and have dimensionless strain amplitudes which can be quantified. Combining this with the impedance of
spacetime and some equations that I have developed, it is possible to calculate particle size, energy, energy density, forces, etc. Most important, the approach predicts that the particles (called “rotars) can generate three forces which correspond to the
strong force, the electromagnetic force and gravity. In a previous post I gave some equations which showed previously unknown relationship between the gravitational force and the electrostatic force that were derived from my model. Now I have generated more
equations which specify the relationship between the electrostatic force and the gravitational force produced by fundamental particles such as an electron.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">The attached document is 5 pages. The last 2 pages are totally new, but even the first 3 pages can be seen in a new light. You will
see that the relationship between the electrostatic force from charge<i> e</i> (designated
<i>F</i><sub>e</sub>) and the gravitational force (designated <i>F</i><sub>g</sub>) is independent of the model which made these predictions. However, the equations on the last two pages fit so well with my model, that they become a proof for the model.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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