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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hi John W.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Regarding:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>“There is a disease which I do not fully understand which seems to have infected nearly every physicist living and most for about the last hundred years. That is the desire to "quantize" everything from the beginning. It seems to me that, if you do that, you lose the possibility of finding out why things are quantized all. You are already lost. Ok it is kind of nice to put in something that you observe experimentally as an axiom, I suppose. Poor choice if you want to understand the origins of quantization though.</span>”</i><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Ok then. I will refrain from quoting you on this unpublished statement. But it is remarkably succinct and to the point.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>But I do have a new one for you:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>There is a disease which I do not fully understand which seems to have infected physicists since Einstein’s Relativity. That is the desire to make relativistic everything from the beginning. It seems to me that, if you do that, you lose the possibility of finding out why things are relative at all. You are already lost. Ok it is kind of nice to put in something that you observe experimentally as an axiom, I suppose. Poor choice if you want to understand the true origins of relativity though.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Back to an example that I think came from Robert Close. If you are in a submarine and you measure time with a sonar clock, constructed to tick using the velocity of sound in water, and you measure distance based on the velocity of sound in water in a unit of your time, everything on your sonar would seem to behave relativistically to you as you move.<span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Chip<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> General [mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Williamson<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 23, 2015 11:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Mathes; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br><b>Cc:</b> Nick Bailey; Anthony Booth; Manohar .; Kyran Williamson; Ariane Mandray<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Axes plots<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Chip,<br><br>David is right! Don't quote me!<br><br>Regards, John W.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRpF408565><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> General [general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] on behalf of David Mathes [davidmathes8@yahoo.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2015 4:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br><b>Cc:</b> Nick Bailey; Anthony Booth; Manohar .; Kyran Williamson; Ariane Mandray<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Axes plots</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3218"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>John<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3219"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3221"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Unless there is a paper or book they have published, I do not quote individuals. The rest is heresay and too risky to quote.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3222"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3222"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>D<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3223"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:3.75pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3227"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3226"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3225"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3295"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> John Williamson <<a href="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk">John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk</a>><br><b>To:</b> David Mathes <<a href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a>>; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>> <br><b>Cc:</b> Manohar . <<a href="mailto:manohar_berlin@hotmail.com">manohar_berlin@hotmail.com</a>>; Nick Bailey <<a href="mailto:nick@bailey-family.org.uk">nick@bailey-family.org.uk</a>>; Anthony Booth <<a href="mailto:abooth@ieee.org">abooth@ieee.org</a>>; Ariane Mandray <<a href="mailto:ariane.mandray@wanadoo.fr">ariane.mandray@wanadoo.fr</a>>; Kyran Williamson <<a href="mailto:kyran_williamson@hotmail.com">kyran_williamson@hotmail.com</a>> <br><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3297">Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:51 PM<br><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3299">Subject:</b> Re: [General] Axes plots</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3232"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv2289970955><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3231"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435118022904_3230"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear Chip and David,<br><br>Feel free to quote me on anything - with the proviso that you do not set me up as an authority on anything. I change at least one of my minds at least once a day. Even then am in two minds about nearly everything! Further, on qunatisation, I think Andrew had it right when he posed the question "is a bell quantised" earlier.<br><br>David - to make some progress towards the way-out how about moving passages. As in .. <br><br>Twisting passages of little maze <br><br>or substituting the general "little" for something more precise (within a magnitude or three)<br><br>Twisting passages of femto-maze<br><br>Now we metre-magnitude monkeys are getting closer to all our models of the electron!<br><br>Now lets all proceed (in an orderly fashion) onwards and upwards (and round and round in circles) to the way out of the quantum (a) maze ...<br><br>Cheers, -John W.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv2289970955yqtfd16736><div id=yiv2289970955divRpF94426><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> General [general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] on behalf of David Mathes [davidmathes8@yahoo.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Axes plots</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11272"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>John, Chip and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11165"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11129"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>I view quantization as low hanging fruit and something to keep the QM people busy calculating the odds instead of playing online poker.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11129"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11129"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>In the London subway, there is a sign "Way out". Now normally way-out means something extra ordinary or even avant-garde.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11129"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11129"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>However, "Way out" is used to indicate that the path is going to be long and not merely a quick EXIT to the surface. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11129"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11129"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2289970955><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>I'm sure other phrases were considered. In the Tube, the path with stairs and escalators will be sort of a cross between the game Chutes and Ladders and Colossal Cave Adventure with variations on the theme phrase of "</span></span><span class=yiv2289970955><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'>little maze of twisting passages</span></span><span class=yiv2289970955><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>." </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>One needed to draw a map to reduce the amount of repetitive moves and get out of the cave system.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11129"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11129"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>There were actually two types of caves - all alike and all different. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13048"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'>little maze of twisting passages, all alike </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13048"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2289970955><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'>little maze of twisting passages, all different</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13048"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13048"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2289970955><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'>Pay attention to detail since variants included:</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13048"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#252525;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;line-height:16.5pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white' id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13239"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Little maze of twisting passages<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#252525;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;line-height:16.5pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white' id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13238"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Little maze of twisty passages<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#252525;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;line-height:16.5pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white' id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13237"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Little twisty maze of passages<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#252525;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;line-height:16.5pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white' id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13236"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Maze of little twisting passages<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#252525;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;line-height:16.5pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white' id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13235"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Maze of little twisty passages<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#252525;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;line-height:16.5pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white' id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13234"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Maze of twisting little passages<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#252525;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;line-height:16.5pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white' id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13233"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Maze of twisty little passages<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#252525;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;line-height:16.5pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white' id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13274"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Twisting little maze of passages<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#252525;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;line-height:16.5pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white' id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13232"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Twisting maze of little passages<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#252525;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;line-height:16.5pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white' id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13231"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Twisty little maze of passages <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#252525;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;line-height:16.5pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white' id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13275"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Twisty maze of little passages <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13048"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13048"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span class=yiv2289970955><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'>Way out is sufficient for me even if at times it's a double entendre.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13048"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13048"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span class=yiv2289970955><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'>Best</span></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13048"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13048"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span class=yiv2289970955><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'>David</span></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_13048"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:3.75pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11031"><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11030"><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11029"><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11028"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;text-align:center;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525'> Chip Akins <<a href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">chipakins@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion' <<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 23, 2015 11:48 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Axes plots</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11071"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv2289970955><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11078"><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11077"><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11076"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Hi John</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11079"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11080"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Very well said!!!</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11081"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11082"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>May I cite you regarding this statement?</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11084"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>There is a disease which I do not fully understand which seems to have infected nearly every physicist living and most for about the last hundred years. That is the desire to "quantise" everything from the beginning. It seems to me that, if you do that, you lose the possibility of finding out why things are quantised all. You are already lost. Ok it is kind of nice to put in something that you observe experimentally as an axiom, I suppose. Poor choice if you want to understand the origins of quantisation though.<br><br></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Chip</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11085"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11086"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv2289970955yqt87606><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11090"><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in' id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11089"><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11088"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> General [<a href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Williamson<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 23, 2015 1:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Mathes; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br><b>Cc:</b> Nick Bailey; Anthony Booth; Manohar .; Ariane Mandray<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Axes plots</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11092"><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435092188490_11091"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>Could not agree more. <br><br>There is far far more unknown than known for all of us collectively. Further, any of our competences is dwarfed by those of all of us.<br><br>I see it now. Seuss was right all along (as always) and we need to go onto that new alphabet!<br><br>Gonna use it in the new paper ... watch this space ...<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>John.</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;text-align:center;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div id=yiv2289970955divRpF886748><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> David Mathes [davidmathes8@yahoo.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 23, 2015 4:16 PM<br><b>To:</b> John Williamson; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br><b>Cc:</b> Nick Bailey; Anthony Booth; Manohar .; Ariane Mandray<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Axes plots</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>John,</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>"It's high time you were shown</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>That you really don't know</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>All there is to be known."</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>"In the places I go there are things that I see</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>That I never could spell if I stopped with the Z.</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>I'm telling you this 'cause you're one of my friends.</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>My alphabet starts where your alphabet ends!"</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>From Seuss, T.G. "On Beyond Zebra" 1955 </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>David</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_10921"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_11128"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:3.75pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_11196"><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_11202"><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_11201"><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_11200"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;text-align:center;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> John Williamson <<a href="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk" target="_blank">John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk</a>><br><b id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_11198">To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>> <br><b>Cc:</b> Nick Bailey <<a href="mailto:nick@bailey-family.org.uk" target="_blank">nick@bailey-family.org.uk</a>>; Anthony Booth <<a href="mailto:abooth@ieee.org" target="_blank">abooth@ieee.org</a>>; Manohar . <<a href="mailto:manohar_berlin@hotmail.com" target="_blank">manohar_berlin@hotmail.com</a>>; Ariane Mandray <<a href="mailto:ariane.mandray@wanadoo.fr" target="_blank">ariane.mandray@wanadoo.fr</a>>; David Mathes <<a href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 23, 2015 3:50 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [General] Axes plots</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_11825"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv2289970955><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_11855"><div id="yiv2289970955yui_3_16_0_1_1435068835254_11854"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>Dear David and Andrew,<br><br>There is a disease which I do not fully understand which seems to have infected nearly every physicist living and most for about the last hundred years. That is the desire to "quantise" everything from the beginning. It seems to me that, if you do that, you lose the possibility of finding out why things are quantised all. You are already lost. Ok it is kind of nice to put in something that you observe experimentally as an axiom, I suppose. Poor choice if you want to understand the origins of quantisation though.<br><br>Andrew, then, raises an important point. Why not a continuum indeed? I think the proper answer lies in the relationship between things - not in the things themselves. Things inter-act. Charge is, at root, (at least an invitation to) an inter-action.<br><br>Imagine a bunch of such inter-actors in a (universe sized) box. They do what they do. They inter-act. Now imagine some of them are bigger, faster, better inter-actors. It turns out that the universal law that big is small and small is large makes these the little guys. Small, loud and shrill. They throw out their stuff to all and sundry - losing energy (and hence getting bigger) in the process. The stuff they throw out is more likely to find the (bigger) quiet ones - hence shrinking them. Meanwhile (being small) they do not get a lot of stuff back. In time, if you have enough inter-actors then all tend to the same size and potency. Apparent uniformity (quantisation) is then just a result of thermodynamic exchange.<br><br>Discuss!<br><br>Regards, John W.<br><br>P.S. Spin is different!</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id=yiv2289970955yqt21942><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;text-align:center;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div id=yiv2289970955divRpF847645><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> General [general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] on behalf of Andrew Meulenberg [mules333@gmail.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 23, 2015 11:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br><b>Cc:</b> Nick Bailey; Anthony Booth; Manohar .; Ariane Mandray; David Mathes<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Axes plots</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Dear John W. and all,</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>If you start with a circularly-polarized photon, give it one full twist per wavelength (to 'unwind' it), and then close it at any point, could you not create the out-going <b>E</b>-field that we attribute to the electron or positron? However, since there is no reason to join the twisted photon only at integer wavelengths, then the electron would not have fixed properties. The only thing fixed would be the amount of twist per wavelength. What causes the photon twist in any of the models and, if the above model is correct, why don't we have particles with a continuum of charge (and spin?) values?</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Andrew</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>__________________________________</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:19 AM, John Williamson <<a href="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk" target="_blank">John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>Here are some using a set of axes, as in the POS paper circulated earlier<br><br>Torfieldrock just shows three views of a positron. <br><br>Torfieldsinglemin0.4 is just a simple double loop. Not too busy.<br><br>Trockrevert is similar to the first, but with a glass torus.<br><br>Cheers, John.</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at <a href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com" target="_blank">mules333@gmail.com</a><br><a href="<a href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/mules333%40gmail.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1" target="_blank">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/mules333%40gmail.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a>"><br>Click here to unsubscribe<br></a></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv2289970955yqt92929><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'>_______________________________________________<br>If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at <a href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a><br><a href="<a href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1" target="_blank">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a>"><br>Click here to unsubscribe<br></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#252525'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yqtfd91463><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at <a href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a><br><a href="<a href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1" target="_blank">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a>"><br>Click here to unsubscribe<br></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>