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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>John W.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>I could not find the papers you describe. They might have been posted before I joined the group or they might have been skipped. I would like you to recommend just one paper which simply describes the physical reasoning you use to achieve “no limit” to the energy density of spacetime.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>I believe that it is impossible for any wave in spacetime to exceed Planck frequency or have a wavelength less than Planck length. Combine this with </span><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:blue'>ħ</span></i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> and you have a maximum possible energy density of Planck energy density <i>U<sub>p</sub></i> = <i>c<sup>7</sup>/</i></span><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:blue'>ħ</span></i><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>G<sup>2</sup></span></i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> ≈ 10<sup>113</sup> J/m<sup>3</sup>. If this energy density has quantized angular momentum of ½</span><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:blue'>ħ</span></i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>, then it is Planck mass. If it has </span><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:blue'>ħ</span></i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> of quantized angular momentum, then it is a photon with Planck energy. Both of these form black holes with Schwarzschild radius equal to Planck length. If this energy density has no angular momentum, then it is the spacetime field that is the basis of my model of the universe. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>I have been able to show that combining a gravitational wave equation with an acoustic equation, it is possible to derive the energy density encountered by a gravitational wave with angular frequency of </span><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:blue'>ω</span></i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>. I call this the “interactive energy density <i>U<sub>i</sub></i> ” of spacetime. The coupling constant is frequency dependent so the energy density encountered is frequency dependent.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>U<sub>i</sub> </span></i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>= <i>c<sup>2</sup></i></span><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:blue'>ω</span></i><i><sup><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>2</span></sup></i><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>/G</span></i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>When </span><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:blue'>ω</span></i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> is set equal to Planck angular frequency </span><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:blue'>ω</span></i><i><sub><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>p</span></sub></i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> = (<i>c<sup>5</sup>/</i></span><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:blue'>ħ</span></i><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>G</span></i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>)<sup>1/2 </sup>, the coupling constant is equal to 1 and the equation gives Planck energy density<i> c<sup>7</sup>/</i></span><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:blue'>ħ</span></i><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>G<sup>2</sup></span></i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>John M.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> General [mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Williamson<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 01, 2015 2:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Challenge<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Of course it has the energy densities required. There is no limit on the energy densities. Furthermore it describes the dynamical forces and provides the differential equation that give force-free motion.<br><br>I have posted the papers to this forum on multiple occasions already . Including a copy of that which I submitted at FFP14 last year and a draft paper in several versions. Have you not had a chance to look at any of these yet?<br><br>Regards, John W.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRpF376090><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> General [general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] on behalf of John Macken [john@macken.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Challenge</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>John W.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>I must confess that I cannot find the papers that you are referencing when you say,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> “as described in the papers circulated.”</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>Perhaps I can tell you the test that a spacetime model must pass if it is going to be successful at forming the properties of an electron or a top quark. An electron with energy of about 8.2x10<sup>-14 </sup>J and volume of roughly <i><s>λ</s></i><sub>c</sub><sup>3</sup> would have energy density of about 10<sup>24</sup> J/m<sup>3</sup>. A top quark would have energy density of roughly 10<sup>46</sup> J/m<sup>3</sup>. These energy densities would generate pressure of about 10<sup>24</sup> N/m<sup>2</sup> and 10<sup>46</sup> N/m<sup>2</sup> respectively. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>I have been criticized by claiming that my model of spacetime has the tremendous energy density required to explain the harmonic oscillators of zero point energy. However, this tremendous energy density is required if waves or distortions of spacetime are the building block of any particle. Therefore, does your model of spacetime have the energy density required to be the single building block of everything in the universe? </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'>John M.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> General [<a href="mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Williamson<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Challenge<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Not so,<br><br>The medium being distorted in the "medieval torture device" is precisely that of space and time and of its product and quotients, as described in the papers circulated.<br><br>That is: it is in the space of space-space and space-time areas - and in that derived from products between them (such as the Poynting vector).<br><br>Regards, John w.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRpF715985><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> General [general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] on behalf of John Macken [john@macken.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 30, 2015 6:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles<br><b>Subject:</b> [General] Challenge</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Hello All,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Various graphic representations of electrons have been presented by members of the group. They have looked like knots, spirals, loops and even medieval torture devices. However, not once has there been any description of the medium or the distortion that is being pictured. This is the equivalent of drawing a three dimensional graph except failing to designate what exactly is being graphed. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>When I show pictures of my electron model, I can tell you exactly what is being graphed. I have a spacetime field with impedance and a wave structure. My electron model produces quantifiable distortions of this spacetime field. They have specific wave properties with known strain amplitude, known frequency and known size. While I cannot predict the energy of an electron from first principles, I can calculate the energy of the model being pictured and show that it corresponds to the electron’s energy. I do not hide behind the equation E = </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:black'>ħω</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> and say that no further calculation is required. I can derive E = </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:black'>ħω</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> from my proposed structure of the spacetime field. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Therefore, my challenge to the group is to identify what is being shown in the pictures. Are these waves? If so, give the details of the medium carrying the waves. String theory has served as a bad example because they draw pictures of vibrating strings while claiming that the strings are a basic building block that is not made of anything more fundamental. If a photon or an electric field is your basic building block, are you claiming that it is also unknowable? </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>For those that doubt the existence of the energetic spacetime field, I challenge you to identify the components being pictured in your electron models. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>John M.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>