<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>John D</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Can that be explained as simply as the Poynting Vector, S = E x M?</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>I've wondered if gravitation is a combination of the the three forces. Or perhaps just electroweak.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9175"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9179"><span>David</span></div><br> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_8772"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_8771"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_8770"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_8769"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_8768"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> John Duffield <johnduffield@btconnect.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion' <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 4, 2015 6:08 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [General] Physics in 100 years according to Wilczek<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9180"><br><div id="yiv5151720416"><style>#yiv5151720416 #yiv5151720416 --
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#yiv5151720416 </style><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9183"><div class="yiv5151720416WordSection1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9182"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9181"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Chip:</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9184"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9185"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9186">I think light creates a gravitational field. Light has a non-zero “active gravitational mass” and a non-zero “inertial mass”. </span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9187"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9189"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9188">Any concentration of energy causes gravity. </span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9190"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9192"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9191">Regards</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9194"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_9193">John</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv5151720416yqt1316436693" id="yiv5151720416yqt81610"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> General [mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chip Akins<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> 04 July 2015 13:38<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Physics in 100 years according to Wilczek</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;">Hi Martin</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;"> </span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;">Energy in space, which comprises light, has momentum, is affected by gravity, and when confined, can demonstrate all the observable effects of mass that fermions display.</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;"> </span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;">Light is affected by gravity, but a question for you, do you think that light also creates a gravitational field? Does light contribute to the gravitation of the universe?</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;"> </span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;">Chip</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;"> </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> General [mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark, Martin van der<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 04, 2015 7:18 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> David Mathes; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> jgw@elec.gla.ac.uk<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Physics in 100 years according to Wilczek</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Dear David, </span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">thanks for the reply.</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">You have a preference regarding mass and energy that, indeed, I definitely do not share.</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">The essence is in fully grasping “light is heavy”. After that one will never accuse the photon of being massless and still having momentum, as if it were a mystery.</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">You provide me with even more evidence that “light is heavy” is a paper that I should try to publish in a real Journal, not just a conference. It is, implicitly, the very basis of ALL the electron models people are proposing in this discussion group. By the way you are in the same league with Frank Wilzcek, regarding this point at least.</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">For the coupling, I am sorry to let you down a bit, but you may have noticed the announcement of my second paper on topological solutions and 4-current. That will bring it closer.</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Actually, one of the things required for the knots to be stable is some form of self-interaction that could be calculated from Hamilton’s principle, as a starting point see paper: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.6072">http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.6072</a>, another essential ingredient for particles made out of pure fields.</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Then of course it is perfectly well allowed to come up with your own idea, and I would be very interested. The answer remains elusive, still …</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Very best regards,</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Martin</span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;">Dr. Martin B. van der Mark</span><span lang="DE" style="color:navy;"></span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;">Principal Scientist, Minimally Invasive Healthcare</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"></span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;">Philips Research Europe - Eindhoven</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"></span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;">High Tech Campus, Building 34 (WB2.025)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"></span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;">Prof. Holstlaan 4</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"></span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;">5656 AE Eindhoven, The Netherlands</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"></span></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;">Tel: +31 40 2747548</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"></span></div></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"> General [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Mathes<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> vrijdag 3 juli 2015 19:58<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jgw@elec.gla.ac.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:jgw@elec.gla.ac.uk">jgw@elec.gla.ac.uk</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Physics in 100 years according to Wilczek</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv5151720416yqt1316436693" id="yiv5151720416yqt71358"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_6735"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Martin</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_6735"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_6735"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">A very stuffy paper. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_6735"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_6735"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:13.5pt;">Mass and energy equivalence in this paper seems a bit one sided as if mass dominates the universe, a thoroughly Machian view. Except Machian is not a local view. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="">While I enjoy the Machian view that this paper and Rañada's work provide , </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:13.5pt;">the difficulty is the mass-energy relationship you have proposed seems a bit one sided as if mass reigned supreme above energy. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_6735"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_6735"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">p. 2 all energy has the same “essence”: it is mass </span><span lang="EN-US" style="">𝑚</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_6948"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_6870"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">I prefer to thing the opposite. All mass has the same essence which is energy, not that all energy has mass. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:13.5pt;">Mass is simply a special case of energy density or energy-momentum. After all, a massless photon has momentum.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_6882"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_6883"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">The flavors of mass need some clarity not addressed - gravitational, inertia, EM, and quantum. If one insists on using the strong force for an an example, then add strong mass. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:13.5pt;">As to coupling, I was hoping that the level and type of coupling would have been addressed if only as a prelude to working with multiphysics programs such as COMSOL. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7113"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7113"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;">David</span></div></div></div><blockquote id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7091" style="border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:3.75pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7094"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7093"><div class="yiv5151720416yqt1316436693" id="yiv5151720416yqt06679"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7112"><div align="center" class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"> "Mark, Martin van der" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com">martin.van.der.mark@philips.com</a>><br clear="none"><b>To:</b> David Mathes <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a>>; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>> <br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jgw@elec.gla.ac.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:jgw@elec.gla.ac.uk">jgw@elec.gla.ac.uk</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jgw@elec.gla.ac.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:jgw@elec.gla.ac.uk">jgw@elec.gla.ac.uk</a>> <br clear="none"><b id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7371">Sent:</b> Thursday, July 2, 2015 8:44 AM<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Physics in 100 years according to Wilczek</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7092"><div class="yiv5151720416yqt1316436693" id="yiv5151720416yqt03233"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div><div id="yiv5151720416"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7098"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7097"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7114"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">David,</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7096"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">As promised, my paper. This is the philosophical one.<br clear="none">Protons and electrons are built from a continuous light-speed circulation of energy. That energy must take part in at least the electromagnetic interaction. Perhaps it is just knotted light? In any case, quarks, gluons, strings, super-symmetrical particles, Planck-scale physics: all bullshit…well not entirely; the quark symmetry is there and should be there.</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7099"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7101"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">The other one paper is pure mathematics and it shows how Maxwell’s equation support topological solutions (knots of fields) that may be charged, and how the knots are behaving as quantum mechanical objects (the knots are also solutions to the Dirac or Klein-Gordon equation), I am in the process of drafting the text around it. A non-linear condition makes that the solutions must also obey a null-condition (invariant, being a proper spinor). All that together with the winding numbers of the knots should give enough conditions to select out only a minor number of possibilities to survive…haven’t proven that yet.</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7103"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">I will sent this second one in a few weeks time… actually it should be ready in two…</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7105"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Cheers, Martin</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7106"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7108"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7107"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;">Dr. Martin B. van der Mark</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7110"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;">Principal Scientist, Minimally Invasive Healthcare</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7115"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435942677697_7116"><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;">Philips Research Europe - 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General Discussion<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [General] Physics in 100 years according to Wilczek</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div><div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">All, </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">As I look at all these different models of the electron, we have all carefully grasped the elephant somewhere on the outside in an attempt to figure out what's on the inside. In our quest to determine the heart of the electron, we have compared present day notes in hopes of future results. So any description of the elephant called electron can be reduced to a series of experimental results that already exist and a limits can be placed to confine any model to reasonableness.</span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who is the fairest...oh, forget that. What I want to know...what does the future hold for quantum and quanta and is there at least a roadmap in physics.</span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Specifically, w</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:13.5pt;">hat does the future hold in terms of photon models and photon-based electrons? </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:13.5pt;">That is a question open to interpretation but Wilczek at least provides a framework with a few directions in his paper published in March 2015.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="">Summarized in a brief article on PBS website, Wilczek came out with a rather bold paper on musings and wishes available on Arxiv.</span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_13852"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_12092"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">A quick article from PBS...from</span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/physics/in-100-years/">How Physics Will Change—and Change the World—in 100 Years — NOVA Next | PBS</a></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">The full paper....</span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.07735.pdf">http://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.07735.pdf</a></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_12460"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">The paper was a fun read in spite of the physics and mathematics involved. Here is one of my favorite quotes:</span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11877"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11876"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11875"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11874"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11873"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">"When Leon Cooper, on behalf of Brown University, asked me to contribute to their 250</span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMTI8;color:black;">th </span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">anniversary by giving a talk </span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11873"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">about the next 250 years of physics, I of course accepted immediately. Then I thought about it. I soon realized that </span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11873"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">I’d taken on a task that is way beyond me, or (I suspect) anyone else. So as a first step I renormalized 250 </span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMSY10;color:black;">→ </span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">100."</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">"Here I indulge in wide-ranging speculations on the shape of physics, and technology closely related to physics, over the next one hundred years. </span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">Themes include the many faces of unification, the reimagining of quantum theory, and new forms of engineering on small, intermediate, and large scales."</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_13905"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">My take is that given the rapid advances in quantum computing, and Kurzweil's pending Singularity, we should consider the Wilczek paper a roadmap good for at least 20 years. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:13.5pt;">We should also consider this paper somewhat as guidance to modeling photon and electron.</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10095"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10094"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10093"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10092"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Before looking forward, Wilczek summarizes the history of physics and mathematics where there has been unification. In the computer industry including Apple, HP, IBM and Microsoft, unification is also called integration. And in finance, mergers and acquisitions. But I digress.</span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">From history, Wilczek provide a summary of</span><b id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_15382"><i id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_15380"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:18.0pt;"> unification</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style=""> in specific fields. I'm sure there are others but these will do.</span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="">"Names are attached not as credit but a shorthand for developments:</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10189"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10188"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10187"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10186"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMBX10;color:black;">– </span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">Unification of algebra and geometry (Descartes)</span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR8;color:black;"><br clear="none"></span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMBX10;color:black;">– </span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">Unification of celestial and terrestrial physics (Galileo, Newton) </span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMBX10;color:black;">– </span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">Unification of mechanics and optics (Hamilton)<br clear="none"></span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMBX10;color:black;">– </span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">Unification of electricity, magnetism, and optics (Maxwell)<br clear="none"></span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMBX10;color:black;">– </span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">Unification of space and time (Einstein, Minkowski)<br clear="none"></span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMBX10;color:black;">– </span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">Unification of wave and particle (Einstein, de Broglie) </span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10347"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10346"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10345"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10363"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMBX10;color:black;">– </span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">Unification of reasoning and calculation (Boole, Turing) </span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10363"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10363"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">end"</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10363"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10363"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">So he continues on the theme of unification with the Standard Model and eventually leads us into Supersymmetry (SUSY). </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10363"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10569"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10568"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10567"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10583"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10582"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10581"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10580"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR9;color:black;">"<i id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_15086">For reasons I’ve detailed in an Appendix, I think the most sensible procedure is to use “Standard Model” in its original sense, to mean the electroweak theory only. "</i></span></b><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_13958"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_13958"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR9;color:black;">That's interesting since most of the electron models don't even mention electroweak and prefer classical or semi-classical form of EM. However, there are couple models that have the guts to go GUT and encompass the four basic forces (or five if one treats the B field separate from E) as well as declare there is a bottom, and it is spacetime. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:CMR10;color:black;">As background, note that the Standard Model can typically be summarized using symmetry groups as </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10095"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10094"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10093"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10092"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10569"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10568"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10567"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10566"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMMI10;color:black;">SU</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">(3) </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMSY10;color:black;">× </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMMI10;color:black;">SU</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">(2) </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMSY10;color:black;">× </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMMI10;color:black;">U</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">(1) </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMSY10;color:black;">× </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMMI10;color:black;">SO</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">(3</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMMI10;color:black;">,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">1)</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10583"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10582"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10581"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10580"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">Keep in mind that Barrett using the appropriate extensions to Maxwell's equations (Maxwell 20) confines his "Topological Electromagnistim" to</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMMI10;color:black;">EM only ... SU</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">(3) </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMSY10;color:black;">× </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMMI10;color:black;">SU</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">(2) </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMSY10;color:black;">× </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMMI10;color:black;">U</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">(1)</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10752"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10751"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10750"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10749"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPS;color:black;">Topological Foundations of Electromagnetism </span></b><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-26j/aflb26jp055.pdf">http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-26j/aflb26jp055.pdf</a></span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">I have two noteworthy additions to the SM. Electrons can be spin coupled, and there is the question of phat photons, So I've wondered if the proper investigative path might be</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMMI10;color:black;">N^2 hv == SU(4) X SU</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">(3) </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMSY10;color:black;">× </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMMI10;color:black;">SU</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">(2) </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMSY10;color:black;">× </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMMI10;color:black;">U</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">(1) </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMSY10;color:black;">× </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMMI10;color:black;">SO</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">(3</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMMI10;color:black;">,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">1)</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">Any comment or correction on this view may be of help. And yes, I have seen the equations of the universe.</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">From Sean Carroll</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/01/04/the-world-of-everyday-experience-in-one-equation/">The World of Everyday Experience, In One Equation</a></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416enhancrCard_1" style="margin-top:3.75pt;margin-bottom:3.75pt;"><table class="yiv5151720416MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;"><tbody><tr><td colspan="8" rowspan="1" style="background:#E5E5E5;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;"> </span></div></div></div></td></tr><tr id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11603"><td colspan="1" rowspan="5" width="1" style="width:.75pt;background:#E5E5E5;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;"> </span></div></div></div></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="5" id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11602" width="168" style="width:126.0pt;background:black;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;min-height:168px;"><div align="center" class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/01/04/the-world-of-everyday-experience-in-one-equation/"><span style="border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm;text-decoration:none;"><img id="yiv5151720416_x005f_x0000_i1025" border="0" width="168" height="58" src="cid:A519FxlK03FRcPe1G6mA" alt="Image removed by sender. image" data-id="506260fa-350d-68c3-9252-05dec40742a1"></span></a></div></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="5" width="1" style="width:.75pt;background:#E5E5E5;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;"> </span></div></div></div></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="5" width="14" style="width:10.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;"> </span></div></div></div></td><td colspan="2" rowspan="1" id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_14234" style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;min-height:6px;"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_14233"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:6.0pt;"> </span></div></div></div></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="5" id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11611" width="20" style="width:15.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:20.0pt;"> </span></div></div></div></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="5" id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_14238" width="1" style="width:.75pt;background:#E5E5E5;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;"> </span></div></div></div></td></tr><tr id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11610"><td colspan="2" rowspan="1" id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11609" width="285" style="width:213.75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11608"><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11607"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="line-height:12.4pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/01/04/the-world-of-everyday-experience-in-one-equation/"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;">The World of Everyday Experience, In One Equation</span></a></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11606"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#999999;">Longtime readers know I feel strongly that it should be more widely appreciated that the laws underlying the physics of everyday life are completely understood. 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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:CMR10;color:black;">Or could it be the unification of spacetime and waves that provides the key insight and breakthrough? </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10344"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10344"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:CMR10;color:black;">Could it be we need to rethink how we think about things, and perhaps relearn a new way on how we learn how to learn? </span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10344"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10344"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="">And what is inside the photon?</span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10344"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10344"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10348"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">Best Regards,</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10348"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10348"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:CMR10;color:black;">David</span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv5151720416yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091"><div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div><div align="center" class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div><div class="yiv5151720416MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.5pt;">The information contained in this message may be confidential and legally protected under applicable law. 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