<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12863"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_17879">Martin</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12863"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12863" class=""> <span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_18065" style="font-size: medium;" class="">In the mass vs energy debate, we may be on different parts of the elephant and simply not know what is really there.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12863" dir="ltr">After rereading "Light is heavy", I'm convinced of two things: we are both right. I need to write a paper on the energy approach and version 22 awaits you in the future.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12863" dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866" class=""><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_16778" class="">In the "nature of stuff" paper perhaps the premise is incorrect or at least needs a stronger foundation with references. In a curved spacetime system (GRT instead of just SRT), is energy conserved? Conservation of momentum-energy is, and perhaps momentum, but is energy conserved?</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866" class=""><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_15919">Nature is far more subtle than mass. Mass has been the convenient go-to for physics for a very long time. From a human reference frame, the original indivisible set of four elements - earth, air, fire, water - are mostly satisfied by a mass-centric universe. Science has added the periodic table, yet another indivisible set. In the 20th century, a whole new set of indivisible layer set was developed. And the trend continues with quanta or energy-based systems. </font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866" class=""><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_17295" style="font-size: medium;">Perhaps a paper on mass needs to note the many different types of mass and how they are related or coupled. </span><span style="font-size: medium;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_18114">Various types of mass have well known relationships: for starters, gravitational, inertial and quantum mass. However, one could address the mass equivalence of fields, and that of spacetime including flat, curved and curled.</span></div><div dir="ltr" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_17302"><font size="3" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866" class=""><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_17444" class="">Given the closely coupled mass-charge relationship, the universe might be charged-based. Human senses are charged based, so now we have action-at-a-distance to deal with, not just mass. </font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866" class=""><font size="3" class=""><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866" class=""><font size="3">Can we measure mass without fields? </font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866" class=""><span style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866" class=""><span style="font-size: medium;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_18299">Fields are the flaw in mass-centric thinking. Mankind didn't have mass such as heat/cold, magnetic fields, color, sound ...even Fields were ignored explained by demons and spooky actions, and to some extent today are explained by bugs and spooky actions. In reality, we simply don't know what the cause is independent of the mass vs energy debate. Fields are rather odd in that they do not have mass but can change momentum. So a mass-centric view looks more like a special case of energy.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_15917" class="">As expressed by the Butler paper you sent, <span class=""> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.6072" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13353" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: purple;" class="">http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.6072</a><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_15279">, f</span>ields might be a suitable replacement <span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_15495">except the over reliance on Maxwell's equations is only good in a flat universe with constant velocity aka special relativity. The cited use of the original Maxwell treatise of 1865 was the smart choice (IMHO) for this paper. Heaviside </span></font><span style="font-size: medium;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_16019">in a simple 4 equation set </span><span style="font-size: medium;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_16020">eliminated all the pesky potentials that Mr. H could not figure out how to do the math. </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866" class="">I await version 22. </div><div dir="ltr" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13109"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_12866" class=""><br></div></div><div dir="ltr" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13155">Best</div><div dir="ltr" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13155"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13155">David</div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13002"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13009"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13008"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13015"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13016"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13014"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "Mark, Martin van der" <martin.van.der.mark@philips.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> David Mathes <davidmathes8@yahoo.com>; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "jgw@elec.gla.ac.uk" <jgw@elec.gla.ac.uk> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 4, 2015 5:18 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [General] Physics in 100 years according to Wilczek<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13007"><br><div id="yiv7912431831"><style>#yiv7912431831 #yiv7912431831 --
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<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13004"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13003">Dear David,
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<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13013"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13012">thanks for the reply.</span></div>
<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13011"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13010">You have a preference regarding mass and energy that, indeed, I definitely do not share.</span></div>
<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13349"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13348">The essence is in fully grasping “light is heavy”. After that one will never accuse the photon of being massless and still having momentum, as if it were a
mystery.</span></div>
<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_15080"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_15079">You provide me with even more evidence that “light is heavy” is a paper that I should try to publish in a real Journal, not just a conference. It is, implicitly,
the very basis of ALL the electron models people are proposing in this discussion group. By the way you are in the same league with Frank Wilzcek, regarding this point at least.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_15082"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_15081">For the coupling, I am sorry to let you down a bit, but you may have noticed the announcement of my second paper on topological solutions and 4-current. That
will bring it closer.</span></div>
<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13355"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13354">Actually, one of the things required for the knots to be stable is some form of self-interaction that could be calculated from Hamilton’s principle, as a starting
point see paper: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.6072" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13353">http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.6072</a>, another essential ingredient for particles made out of pure fields.</span></div>
<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13352"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13351">Then of course it is perfectly well allowed to come up with your own idea, and I would be very interested. The answer remains elusive, still …</span></div>
<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_13350"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Very best regards,</span></div>
<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436030191320_15083"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Martin</span></div>
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<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;">Mass and energy equivalence in this paper seems a bit one sided as if mass dominates the universe, a thoroughly Machian view. Except
Machian is not a local view. </span><span style="">While I enjoy the Machian view that this paper and Rañada's work provide , </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;">the
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<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">I prefer to thing the opposite. All mass has the same essence which is energy, not that all energy has mass. </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;">Mass
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<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">The flavors of mass need some clarity not addressed - gravitational, inertia, EM, and quantum. If one insists on using the strong force for an an example,
then add strong mass. </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;">As to coupling, I was hoping that the level and type of coupling would have been addressed if only as a prelude to working with multiphysics programs
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Protons and electrons are built from a continuous light-speed circulation of energy. That energy must take part in at least the electromagnetic interaction. Perhaps it is just knotted light? In any case, quarks, gluons, strings, super-symmetrical particles,
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be charged, and how the knots are behaving as quantum mechanical objects (the knots are also solutions to the Dirac or Klein-Gordon equation), I am in the process of drafting the text around it. A non-linear condition makes that the solutions must also obey
a null-condition (invariant, being a proper spinor). All that together with the winding numbers of the knots should give enough conditions to select out only a minor number of possibilities to survive…haven’t proven that yet.</span><span style=""></span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> donderdag 2 juli 2015 2:59<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">As I look at all these different models of the electron, we have all carefully grasped the elephant somewhere on the outside in an attempt to figure
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<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;">That is a question open to interpretation but Wilczek at least provides a framework with a few directions in his paper published in
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<div class="yiv7912431831MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">I have two noteworthy additions to the SM. Electrons can be spin coupled, and there is the question of phat photons, So I've wondered if the proper investigative
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