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<div>Just for the record, as he says, Indeed i do completely agree with John W.,</div>
<div>Best to all, Martin<br>
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Op 5 jul. 2015 om 01:34 heeft John Williamson <<a href="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk">John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk</a>> het volgende geschreven:<br>
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(and all)</span></p>
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say at the end of “Light is Heavy”: "</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"TimesNewRoman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
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would be put to rest, its gravitational mass would equal its rest mass, and hence vanish.” </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
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think we can agree that the closest light can be to “rest” in a vacuum is if it traveling at light-speed in a closed circle (or at light-speed in a helix as seen from a moving frame) as in our electron models. I think the question “Does such a photon have
a rest mass?” is fundamental to our electron models and I think it would be good if we were able to agree on a consistent answer that can be backed by rational arguments. I claim that this circulating (circularly or helically-moving) photon does have a constant
rest mass (that of the electron) since it has energy E=gamma mc^2 but its average linear momentum is zero for a resting electron or p=gamma mv in the case of an electron moving with speed v (leading in either case to a calculation of rest mass m from the relativistic
energy momentum equation E^2 = p^2 c^2 +m^2 c^4). <br>
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we know that an electron has a rest mass m <br>
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<font color="0000FF">Yes</font><br>
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that the hypothetical photon composing the electron also must have the same rest mass m, whether the electron is moving or not.
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This does not follow. It is the whole system that exhibits a rest mass. Photons, in and of themselves are DEFINED such that t<font color="0000FF">hey</font> have no rest mass. T<font color="0000FF">h</font>is is not a contradiction. Do the maths.</font><br>
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W has indicated earlier (as I understood him) <br>
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<span style="color:blue">No Richard you are misunderstanding what I am saying. Martin and I do not disagree at all on this. We are just having a very great deal of trouble getting you (and many others) to understand it.</span><br>
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that this photon would not have a rest mass because the photon is moving at light-speed, but its confinement due to a pivot
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<span style="color:blue">No - it has rest mass with or without a pivot - if it is confined. It is not the concept we need to understand, but how it is confined. That is the relevant question. You understanding what rest mass is will take us no closer to understanding
how it is confined. This is the essential question - other things are a distraction and an argument about the meaning of words. If you define a photon as having no rest mass (as I do), then it has no rest mass (obviously). If you define it as having a rest
mass, then it is not a photon for me. Nonetheless light confined in a box (for me) has rest mass. If you think I am contradicting myself you are wrong. You are not alone in not getting this. Most people would think this complete nonsense. It is not though.
Once you get it you will see the light.</span><br>
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produces the rest mass of the electron. <br>
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All confined stuff contributes to what it weighs on a scale.</span><br>
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Martin seems to be saying in “Light is Heavy" that this circulating photon has a non-zero rest mass due to its self-confinement and so it is heavy.<br>
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<span style="color:blue">No .. you are misunderstanding this too. You are confusing (at least) two things. Light has energy. Any energy stuck in box on a scale weighs something. Confinement is not, itself positive mass, it may be negative mass (under certain
circumstances). The fact that the energy is stuck onto the scale (by the confinement- whatever that is) means that it weighs something. If you define "rest mass" as you do above, as the square root of squared p fourth minus c squared p squared and sum it up
over all the bits you will get a positive number which may be weighed on a scale. Light in a box has a different value because you must ADD the bits going leftwards and rightwards and THEN square and sum. This gives a different value than if you are going
only left or only right. You can not point to the "rest mass" bit and isolate it , even though I know you want to do this. For example, you cannot point to the bit that has the "temperature" but kT will also contribute to the "rest mass" . If you make the
bits jiggle about and do a dance in the box the box will get heavier. You are just not thinking clearly enough yet.</span>
<span style="color:blue">There is nothing to be learned here. When you do get it we will be no further.</span>
<span style="color:blue">We will still (collectively) need to understand how and why light (or whatever it is) shuts itself up into an electron.</span><br>
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Are these two positions really different? Could both of you make a brief clarifying statement about this point, briefly summarizing your reasons, so we can see the level of our agreement or disagreement on this point?
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<span style="color:blue">Richard, this has been explained many times - but you are just not getting the essential point.</span><font color="0000FF"> These are not our reasons - they are just physics as it is, properly understood.
</font><span style="color:blue">Rest mass is not a thing .It is a property that you can measure.</span>
<font color="0000FF">You can define it as the square root of the difference between two terms. It does not have an existence independent of your thinking. I<font color="0000FF">t is no more or less than this.
</font></font><span style="color:blue">There is no disagreement - only a lack of understanding for yourself of just what you mean by "the rest mass".</span>
<span style="color:blue">This is not a bad thing. Most people do not get it and that is ok.</span><br>
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Also Chip, John D, John M, Vivian, Andrew?</span></p>
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Richard<br>
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<span style="color:blue">Regards, John.</span></span></p>
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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" class="" target="_blank">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">Yes it does, but the total mass in all the radiation in the universe is far less than that of matter, in the present era. In the first 300.000 years after the big bang
(whatever that was), the universe was plasma and radiation dominated. I would have to look into the details again to tell you more.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">Cheers, oh and thanks for the compliments about my paper. I will remove some typo’s and deal with some questions in a later edition this week.</span></div>
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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [</span><a href="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
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<span class="" style="">Energy in space, which comprises light, has momentum, is affected by gravity, and when confined, can demonstrate all the observable effects of mass that fermions display.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="">Light is affected by gravity, but a question for you, do you think that light also creates a gravitational field? Does light contribute to the gravitation of the universe?</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">The essence is in fully grasping “light is heavy”. After that one will never accuse the photon of being massless and still having momentum, as if it were a mystery.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">You provide me with even more evidence that “light is heavy” is a paper that I should try to publish in a real Journal, not just a conference. It is, implicitly, the
very basis of ALL the electron models people are proposing in this discussion group. By the way you are in the same league with Frank Wilzcek, regarding this point at least.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">For the coupling, I am sorry to let you down a bit, but you may have noticed the announcement of my second paper on topological solutions and 4-current. That will bring
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">Actually, one of the things required for the knots to be stable is some form of self-interaction that could be calculated from Hamilton’s principle, as a starting point
see paper:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.6072" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.6072</span></a><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">,
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] Physics in 100 years according to Wilczek</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:13.5pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Mass and energy equivalence in this paper seems a bit one sided as if mass dominates the universe, a thoroughly Machian view. Except Machian is not a local view. </span><span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">While
I enjoy the Machian view that this paper and Rañada's work provide , </span><span class="" style="font-size:13.5pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">the difficulty is the mass-energy relationship you have proposed seems a bit one sided as if mass reigned
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<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">p. 2 all energy has the same “essence”: it is mass<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-family:'Cambria Math',serif">𝑚</span><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">I prefer to thing the opposite. All mass has the same essence which is energy, not that all energy has mass. </span><span class="" style="font-size:13.5pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Mass is simply
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<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">The flavors of mass need some clarity not addressed - gravitational, inertia, EM, and quantum. If one insists on using the strong force for an an example, then add strong mass. </span><span class="" style="font-size:13.5pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">As
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">As promised, my paper. This is the philosophical one.<br class="">
Protons and electrons are built from a continuous light-speed circulation of energy. That energy must take part in at least the electromagnetic interaction. Perhaps it is just knotted light? In any case, quarks, gluons, strings, super-symmetrical particles,
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">The other one paper is pure mathematics and it shows how Maxwell’s equation support topological solutions (knots of fields) that may be charged, and how the knots are behaving as quantum
mechanical objects (the knots are also solutions to the Dirac or Klein-Gordon equation), I am in the process of drafting the text around it. A non-linear condition makes that the solutions must also obey a null-condition (invariant, being a proper spinor).
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<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">As I look at all these different models of the electron, we have all carefully grasped the elephant somewhere on the outside in an attempt to figure out what's on the inside. In our quest to determine
the heart of the electron, we have compared present day notes in hopes of future results. So any description of the elephant called electron can be reduced to a series of experimental results that already exist and a limits can be placed to confine any model
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<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who is the fairest...oh, forget that. What I want to know...what does the future hold for quantum and quanta and is there at least a roadmap in physics.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Specifically, w</span><span class="" style="font-size:13.5pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">hat does the future hold in terms of photon models and photon-based electrons? </span><span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:13.5pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">That is a question open to interpretation but Wilczek at least provides a framework with a few directions in his paper published in March 2015.</span><span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Summarized
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<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">My take is that given the rapid advances in quantum computing, and Kurzweil's pending Singularity, we should consider the Wilczek paper a roadmap good for at least 20 years. </span><span class="" style="font-size:13.5pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">We
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<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Before looking forward, Wilczek summarizes the history of physics and mathematics where there has been unification. In the computer industry including Apple, HP, IBM and Microsoft, unification is also
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<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">So he continues on the theme of unification with the Standard Model and eventually leads us into Supersymmetry (SUSY). </span></div>
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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-family:CMR9">"<i id="yiv5713156330yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_15086" class="">For reasons I’ve detailed in an Appendix, I think the most sensible procedure is to use “Standard Model” in its original sense, to mean the electroweak
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<span class="" style="font-family:CMR9">That's interesting since most of the electron models don't even mention electroweak and prefer classical or semi-classical form of EM. However, there are couple models that have the guts to go GUT and encompass the four
basic forces (or five if one treats the B field separate from E) as well as declare there is a bottom, and it is spacetime. </span><span class="" style="font-size:13.5pt; font-family:CMR10,serif">As background, note that the Standard Model can typically be
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<span class="" style="font-family:CMR10,serif">Keep in mind that Barrett using the appropriate extensions to Maxwell's equations (Maxwell 20) confines his "Topological Electromagnistim" to</span><span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:CMMI10">EM only ... SU</span><span class="" style="font-family:CMR10,serif">(3) </span><span class="" style="font-family:CMSY10">× </span><span class="" style="font-family:CMMI10">SU</span><span class="" style="font-family:CMR10,serif">(2) </span><span class="" style="font-family:CMSY10">× </span><span class="" style="font-family:CMMI10">U</span><span class="" style="font-family:CMR10,serif">(1)</span><span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></span></p>
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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPS">Topological Foundations of Electromagnetism </span></b><span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:CMR10,serif">I have two noteworthy additions to the SM. Electrons can be spin coupled, and there is the question of phat photons, So I've wondered if the proper investigative path might be</span><span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:CMMI10">N^2 hv == SU(4) X SU</span><span class="" style="font-family:CMR10,serif">(3) </span><span class="" style="font-family:CMSY10">× </span><span class="" style="font-family:CMMI10">SU</span><span class="" style="font-family:CMR10,serif">(2) </span><span class="" style="font-family:CMSY10">× </span><span class="" style="font-family:CMMI10">U</span><span class="" style="font-family:CMR10,serif">(1) </span><span class="" style="font-family:CMSY10">× </span><span class="" style="font-family:CMMI10">SO</span><span class="" style="font-family:CMR10,serif">(3</span><span class="" style="font-family:CMMI10">,</span><span class="" style="font-family:CMR10,serif">1)</span><span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:CMR10,serif">Any comment or correction on this view may be of help. And yes, I have seen the equations of the universe.</span><span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:10pt; color:rgb(153,153,153)">Longtime readers know I feel strongly that it should be more widely appreciated that the laws underlying the physics of everyday life are completely understood. (If...</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:CMR10,serif">So as I look at the various models for this SPIE conference, I wonder what is the next unification?</span><span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:CMR10,serif">Perhaps a topological description of inside the electron? </span><span class="" style="font-size:13.5pt; font-family:CMR10,serif">Or could it be the unification of spacetime and waves that provides the key insight
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<span class="" style="font-size:13.5pt; font-family:CMR10,serif">Could it be we need to rethink how we think about things, and perhaps relearn a new way on how we learn how to learn? </span><span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></span></div>
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