<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5419"><span>Chandra</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5419"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5419">A few comments in blue...</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5419"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5419">David</div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5463"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5462"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5461"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5460" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5464"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "Roychoudhuri, Chandra" <chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> David Mathes <davidmathes8@yahoo.com>; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 9, 2015 3:15 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [General] Let there be light<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5465"><br><div id="yiv5591754581"><style>#yiv5591754581 #yiv5591754581 --
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<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5466" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">Dear David:
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<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5470" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5469">“Could Carver Meade be right that we need to rethink our assumptions?”
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<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5471" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5472" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">Yes!</span></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5473" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5474">That is why I have been putting my efforts to keep this series of special SPIE conference series alive since 2005. And, of course, it is the participants who are keeping it fruitful. That is also
why I had put my efforts to bring Carver Mead at our 2013 conference as the Keynote Speaker. I have repeatedly expressed similar views, as that of Carver, in my book, “Causal Physics” and many earlier papers. Let me take this opportunity to repeat my thinking.</span></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5475" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5532" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5531">My frustration is that even now our basic premise is that the foundational
<b><i>postulates</i></b> behind our currently working theories, Classical, Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are un-challengeable; which represents our collective Messiah Complex! These postulates beget the mathematically logical equation. Looking backward,
a working equation represents the enfolded postulates. An equation being a frozen logic set; it is a close-looped system. It can only verify the imaginations that were enfolded within the original postulates; because we design our experiments to validate the
parameters in the equation assumed (defined) by the postulates. <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5586"><i id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5585">We cannot extract fundamentally new knowledge out of any working theories beyond what were originally imagined under the foundational postulates.</i></b></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5532" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"><b><i><br></i></b></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5532" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5641"><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5640"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5639"><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5774">Perhaps not theories but experiments. Experimental predictions are highly desirable in any theory to newly discovered papers and perhaps new experiments, e</font></span></b></span><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5640" style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5639" class=""><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5774" class="">ven if the theory is a best-fit revision.</font></span></b></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5532" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;"><b><span><font color="#4c76a2"><br></font></span></b></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5532" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5936"><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5935"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5934"><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5933">At the same time, a theory is not alone since modeling and simulation are powerful tools in checking to the extent a particular theory is correct. A rigorous paper would address all four: theory, experiments, modeling and simulation. </font></span></b></span></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5533" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5776"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5584" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5583">This is why it is time to enumerate and enlist all the fundamental postulates behind all the working theories (Classical, Relativity, QM physics), starting from Newton’s laws (“mass”, etc.) to
“Holographic Universe”. Then, based upon our latest experimental data and engineering wisdom, we should challenge them slowly, systematically and iteratively, without destroying the enormous success platform that we are standing upon currently.</span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5584" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"><br></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5584" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14628"><span style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14627"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14626">Key assumptions might include cGh, charge-parity-time (CPT), surface/near-field/far-field, </span></span></font></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5587" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5587" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14800"><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14884">For experiments, there is the nagging question of whether we have measured everything possible. More importantly, can we factor out the sensor effects to get at the "true" effect, or are we bound to discern results through the eyes of an interactive sensor.</font></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5587" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"><br></span></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5589" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_5588">The serious conceptual problem, of course, is how one does go about re-building a new foundation, while standing on the old foundation itself! We need to apply human engineering skills in our epistemological
thinking. We need to employ our imaginations and start visualizing invisible interaction processes; which gives us some limited access to nature’s ontological reality. We need to figure out how to grab these thin threads of ontological realities and slowly
learn to bundle them together to create stronger and stronger threads, and then ropes; and eventually, pull ourselves into nature’s ultimate reality – the cosmic rules that makes us emergent “material bodies” out of the invisible and imperceptible complex
cosmic field. </span></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14799"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14799" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_15361"><span style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_15360">Think differently...how is it that a photon traverses the universe. Is it really unaffected over 13 to 20 million years?</span></font></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14799" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><font color="#4c76a2"><span style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;"><br></span></font></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14799" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_15745"><span style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_15744">Could there be a post-Big Bang - yet another assumption - part of space, or perhaps at the edge of the known universe, where the rules are slightly different? </span></font></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14799" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><font color="#4c76a2"><span style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;"><br></span></font></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14799" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_15828"><span style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_15827">For example, if there is a region of space - no matter how large or small - where the permittivity is lowered, then by current theory, the value of c would be higher FOR THAT REGION only. Could we detect or discern such a photon traversed a zone with a higher speed limit for c?</span></font></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14799" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><font color="#4c76a2"><span style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;"><br></span></font></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14799" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><font color="#4c76a2"><span style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;"><br></span></font></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14799"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"><br></span></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14727"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14726">For example, challenging QM by using its own formalism and prescribed experiments, we remain stuck within the formalism’s logical close-loop. David Bohm spent his life looking for “Hidden Variables”
within the QM formalism. But, he never challenged the ongoing belief in wave-particle duality. Exp(iwt) does not represent only “plane wave”; it represents any and all harmonic oscillations, whether propagating harmonic wave or localized and self-resonant
toroidal harmonic oscillations (electrons, protons, etc.). Exp(iwt) can also represent an alternating current through a linear conductor, or inside a complex LCR oscillator with their own unique influencing properties! Wave-particle duality represents our
lack of deeper knowledge of the universe. It does not represent a new confirmed knowledge, despite the “democratic popularity” of Copenhagen Interpretation. We are a product of various rules of engagement between diverse natural entities. We cannot determine
or invent those rules; we can only discover them; if we are patient and humble enough. </span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14727"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"><br></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14727" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16008"><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16019">I'm all for a mathematical physics approach. However, this is not the only hammer in the tool box. In my work I cannot ignore deBroglie-Bohm nor Aharonov-Bohm. So perhaps we should leave the door open a little bit to hidden variables if only to avoid making a philosophical or critical reasoning error of trying to prove a negative. </font></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14727"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"><br></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_14727"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_15922">Electrons and protons (most likely, self-resonant toroidal harmonic oscillations) are not guided by de Broglie’s “Pilot Waves”; they are self-sufficient entity; their harmonic
phase is already embedded in Schrodinger’s “psi”. “psi” does not represent Born’s abstract mathematical “Probability Amplitude”; it is the real physical amplitude of oscillation of the various structures, emergent out of the universal complex tension field.
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<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_15916"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_15916"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16545"><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16556">Model has been proposed and is so noted. </font></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_15916"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"><br></span></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_15919"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_15918">Other fundamental problem that we have thoroughly digested as the “truth”, is the mathematical Superposition Principle. The exp(iwt) of oscillating particles do represent the mutual excitation,
but only when the appropriate potential gradient (force) around them allow for the mutual stimulation. When the stimulation is resonant and a quantum cupful of energy is available; the “quantum transition” takes place to minimize the “system energy” in the
neighborhood of the cosmic tension field. </span></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16644"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16646"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16645">But, when the exp(iwt) represents two or more
<b><i>propagating</i></b> oscillations (waves) of the tension field; they do not have the “structural” (or mathematical) capability to reorganize their mutual energy distribution in the absence of interacting dipoles (“localized” resonant oscillations). Both
the classical physics of last several hundred years and the twenty first century physics have missed this trivially obvious, and yet, easily observable through daily experience. Fourier’s infinite modes do not exist in this cosmic system (energy violation);
neither do the Fourier modes (or space finite waves) interfere (interact) to re-organize their energies. This is well illustrated in my book, “Causal Physics”. We can easily derive stationary nodes and antinodes by superposing same-frequency but axially oppositely
going waves; but they do not represent <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16734"><i id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16733">stationary waves</i></b>! One can verify this by simply tweaking one of the frequencies up or down; the nodes will start slowly moving one way or the other. </span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16646"><br></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16646"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16742">Waves, by definition are always moving. Stopping waves
destroys waves. Starting up with non-causal infinite Fourier modes and then brilliantly managing the out-grown divergences do not constitute seeking ontological reality. It is a very clever way of “summoning” the observable “Solar Eclipses”. After all, Solar
eclipses are real! So, we ought to be impressed!</span></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16738"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span></div><div class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16738" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16834" style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;" class=""><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_17028" class="">Whether sitting by the river or sea, surfing the ocean, or by or in the pool, I always enjoy watching the waves </font></span><span style="color: rgb(76, 118, 162); font-size: 14.583333015441895px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_17589">as if nature is trying to teach me something. "Deadliest Catch" series is about waves. They don't line up so easily, aren't in phase, reach a critical point and break, reflect...and even go rogue. The spontaneous rise of rogue wave is one of the most interesting since this type of wave challenged science which answered with disbelief despite damaged ships and numerous eyewitnesses. Of course, science revised their calculations and came up with 100 foot waves. Then the geologists and astrophysicists showed that a comet hitting earth such as in the Yucatan might generate a 1000 foot wave at hundreds of miles per hour. </span></div><div class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16738" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(76, 118, 162); font-size: 14.583333015441895px;" class=""><br></span></div><div class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16738" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(76, 118, 162); font-size: 14.583333015441895px;" class="">Tidal effects should also be considered.</span></div><div class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16738" dir="ltr" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16738" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16834"><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_17028">A EM wave is rather complex. One can have the simple U(1) symmetry and be done with it making all sorts of claims about waves. So I'm up to the point of thinking of symmetry of a photon as combining phase, polarization and spin into a symmetric energy wave. </font></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16738" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;"><font color="#4c76a2"><br></font></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16738" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14.583333015441895px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_19133"><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_19132">hv = U(1) X SU(2) X SU(3) X SU(4) </font></span></div>
<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16736"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"><br></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16736"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_19234"><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_19248">The question is whether this math is valued, but under what conditions? Can we have amplitude added such as phat photon theory suggests, or does E = N^2 hv mean that symmetry is violated? Does nature permit this violation? </font></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16736"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><font color="#4c76a2"><br></font></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16736" dir="ltr"><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_20069">Charge is not adequately explained as to the source. Yes, we know charge is present and in the 21st century have built a whole civilization around electronics. Some models suggest that a photon may be charged. How is that?</font></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16736" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16736"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16737">Evidence based science is the best science. But, a collection of evidences alone cannot provide us access to the cosmological engineering principles; which we must muster to become spacefaring
species and survive beyond the Solar warming coming in about a billion years. So, seeking ontological reality is of much higher importance because it would be the real-world engineering that will save the human species.</span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16736"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"><br></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16736" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_20916" class=""><font color="#4c76a2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_20915" class="">The good news is that mankind has a sun which still has a billion years before the fuel runs out. The bad news is </font></span><span style="color: rgb(76, 118, 162); font-size: 14.583333015441895px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_21924"> the Luis Alvarez hypothesis (1980) </span><span style="color: rgb(76, 118, 162); font-size: 11pt;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_21925">that a rock - an asteroid or comet about 10 miles in diameter - would create a massive shock wave in the air and ground as well as a water wave. I'm wondering what kind of other waves were generated specifically EM.</span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16736" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(76, 118, 162); font-size: 11pt;" class=""><br></span></div><div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_16736" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(76, 118, 162); font-size: 11pt;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_22238">Real-universe physics is required for real-world engineering.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_20804"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436487294649_20803">This may appear to be a bit of rambling; but it does contain some kernel of what should be scientific thinking.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">As I look at the various models about to be presented, I wonder how these models are related, and how they could be tested. In doing so, the assumptions
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<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">So today in Forbes there was an attempt to educate the public about quantum physics. The topics are summarized below but it is the pictures that will
stick in the minds of people subject to their worldview. I claim we have a universe-level view. And some a multi-verse. However, the focus is on the photon and the electron. We each look at the same data and yet develop bespoke models. Could Carver Meade
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<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Arndt <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv5591754581yui_3_16_0_1_1436461881964_9367" target="_blank" href="http://scienceblogs.com/principles/2013/11/12/interference-with-10000-particle-particles-matter-wave-interference-with-particles-selected-from-a-molecular-library-with-masses-exceeding-10000-amu/">experiments
by Markus Arndt’s group</a></span></div>
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<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Couder <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv5591754581yui_3_16_0_1_1436461881964_9411" target="_blank" href="http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2012/jul/09/bouncing-droplets-simulate-zeeman-effect">Bouncing
droplets simulate Zeeman effect - physicsworld.com</a></span></div>
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<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Couder/Fort <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv5591754581yui_3_16_0_1_1436461881964_9478" target="_blank" href="http://resonance.is/news/quantum-weirdness-replaced-by-classical-fluid-dynamics/">Quantum Weirdness
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<div class="yiv5591754581MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><em><span style="font-size:15.0pt;">It is my firm belief that the last seven decades of the twentieth century </span></em><span style=""></span></div>
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