<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yiv7376273260yui_3_16_0_1_1436390384062_3384" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Rich</div><div id="yiv7376273260yui_3_16_0_1_1436390384062_3384" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br></div><div id="yiv7376273260yui_3_16_0_1_1436390384062_3384" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;" class="" dir="ltr">I found the email you were referring to. Here is the snippet on the three possible paths of the future. Many others are possible as noted below. In order to answer the meta question of "what's inside...", I believe that one has to keep track of all three levels of electron, photon and quanta with the photon as the centerpiece.</div><div id="yiv7376273260yui_3_16_0_1_1436390384062_3384" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;" class="" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yiv7376273260yui_3_16_0_1_1436390384062_3384" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br></div><div id="yiv7376273260yui_3_16_0_1_1436390384062_3384" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"One is to refine the photon as electron model, another is to expand to the photon as other standard model particles, probably the most productive. Finally, going inside the photon and providing some direction on the search for the next level down, the quanta level, should prove really interesting.</div><div id="yiv7376273260yui_3_16_0_1_1436390384062_3384" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7376273260yui_3_16_0_1_1436390384062_3384" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">In view of Wilczek's obsession with QCD and SUSY, one possible area to investigate is if the current model can be used to predict SUSY particles. SUSY provides elegant symmetry. So it was said about the SM too. However, the parametric equations permit variants, lend themselves to knots, and may provide answers to existing anomalies as well as unknown anomalies that may be predictable."</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7376273260yui_3_16_0_1_1436390384062_3384" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7376273260yui_3_16_0_1_1436390384062_3384" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Good hunting,</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7376273260yui_3_16_0_1_1436390384062_3384" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7376273260yui_3_16_0_1_1436390384062_3384" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">David</div><br> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436680791228_4599"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436680791228_4598"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436680791228_4597"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436680791228_4824"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436680791228_4825"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> David Mathes <davidmathes8@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> <br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436680791228_4827"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436680791228_4826">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 11, 2015 6:28 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [General] Physics in 100 years according to Wilczek<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436680791228_4596"><br><div id="yiv6223805879"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436680791228_4595"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436680791228_4594"><div id="yiv6223805879"><div id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_57233"><div id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_57232" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3668"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436680791228_4828">Richard</span></div><div id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3669"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3762"><span class="yiv6223805879" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3761">For the three directions </span>modeling the electron as a photon are classical, relativistic and transluminal. Such an order would permit acceptance within current theories while exploring the third conjecture. One could argue spacetime (space waves). </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3762"><span class="yiv6223805879"><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3762"><span class="yiv6223805879" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_60210">Improbable, the fourth investigative direction is superluminal-only modeling especially for a best-fit analysis with known experiments. High energy gamma ray modeling might be a good start. One possible result is that dark matter and dark energy might be explained in part by superluminal modeling, or at least by frequency shifting. </span></div><div id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3612"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3612"><span id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3611">Yes, the electron and photon have similar behavior. Electron and photon share optical properties including nonlinear effects.</span></div><div id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3612"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3612"><div class="yiv6223805879" dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4130">In my opinion plane waves are premature to confine the wave function strictly to s. Is this a conclusion or simply the first order starting point? Every major type of wave under GRT and QM including spherical, parabolic, hyperbolic waves should be explored especially at light-like velocities. Soliton and Alven waves should be reviewed.</div><div class="yiv6223805879" dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_58241"><br clear="none"></div></div><div id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3612"><div class="yiv6223805879" dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4130">The current model you have proposed is a 3D toroid with a high level of symmetry whether the toroid is ring, point or spindle. So pursuing a 4D model might be considered as a line of investigation. Perhaps reviewing knot theory as well as torus theory. Nonlinear effects *may* include nonlinear resonance, and the foldover effect. The folder effect, a S-pattern, suggests that envelope tracking is not enough requiring one to map the waveform from both directions (low to high, high to low). Tracking a S plot will prove interesting. (paging Chip)</div><div class="yiv6223805879" dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_57893"><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"></div></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4130">Another area is the transition process for any proposed model from photon to electron, and from electron to releasing a photon. In particular, I'm concerned that closure or near closure (aka knots) is required for extended lifetime. In contrast, pair creation has a very short lifetime that may be due to not achieving closure in a timely fashion. At the last session on Tuesday, Meulenberg is presenting an interesting paper on this process. Then Hagen presents an interesting rigorous paper on electron to photon transition. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4130"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4130">As to Maxwell theories, a good review is necessary is needed to summarize the known Maxwell variations even by Maxwell himself. I've referred to the Maxwell 4 (Heaviside revision) and the Maxwell 20 (original treatise). However, the Maxwell 8 seems to be the current favorite working set. Some researchers have resorted to extension (Barrett) and others have suggested even more changes. Have we reached a point with experiments that suggest Maxwell's equations are in need of revision? </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4130"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4130">Due to the variety of electron and photon theories, a roadmap, or two or three, is going to be needed. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4130"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4130"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4130">Best</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4130"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4130">David</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4130"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4130"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6223805879" dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3762"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4131"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4131"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_4131"><br clear="none"></div> <blockquote id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3408" style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <div id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3407" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3406" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv6223805879qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6223805879yqt6833890288" id="yiv6223805879yqt15915"><div class="yiv6223805879yqt2013266335" id="yiv6223805879yqt00016"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3405"> <hr id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3710" size="1"> <font id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3453" size="2" face="Arial"> <b id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_59480"><span id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_59479" style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Richard Gauthier <richgauthier@gmail.com><br clear="none"> <b id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_61621"><span id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_61620" style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> <br clear="none"> <b id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3709"><span id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3708" style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 11, 2015 4:26 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [General] Physics in 100 years according to Wilczek<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv6223805879y_msg_container" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3454"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv6223805879"><div id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3456"><div class="yiv6223805879" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3455">Hi David and all,</div><div class="yiv6223805879" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3457"> Please disregard the previous blank e-mail which I sent accidentally.</div><div class="yiv6223805879" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3458"><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"></div><div class="yiv6223805879" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3459"> Thanks for your further suggestions. I think the direction I am thinking of going touches all three of your suggested directions. </div><div class="yiv6223805879" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3459"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6223805879" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3459">I showed in my article that a plane light wave (with wavelength equal to the charged photon’s wavelength for a relativistic electron) emitted by the charged photon in the direction the helical trajectory of the charged photon generates along its helical axis the quantum wave function of a free election. Also since the electron is a charged photon (according to my hypothesis), the electron acts like a photon in a number of ways, like having double-slit effects. Also since the Psi*Psi of an electron's wave function Psi is the probability density of finding an electron, this is just like the Psi*Psi of a photon's wave function Psi as the probability density of finding a photon, like in the double slit experiment for an photon or an electron. </div><div class="yiv6223805879" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3459"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6223805879" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3459">This leads me to think that all quantum wave functions of an electron (as described in quantum mechanics with the Schrodinger equation for non-relativistic electrons or with the Dirac equation for relativistic electrons) including bound state quantum wave functions of the electron, will be generated by plane waves of a charged photon directed along the charged photon’s helical trajectory, also in the presence of an electric potential. </div><div class="yiv6223805879" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3459"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6223805879" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_3459">In short, the quantum mechanical wave functions of an electron are produced by a helically moving charged photon's electromagnetic plane waves. So there must be some kind of Maxwell’s equations for the charged photon (which generate quantum wave functions along the charged photon’s helical trajectory) similar to Maxwell’s equations for normal electromagnetic waves, which generate photon wave functions. John W seems to be working on something like this. What do you think?</div><div class="yiv6223805879" id="yiv6223805879yui_3_16_0_1_1436659976373_61075"> Richard </div><div class="yiv6223805879"><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"></div><div class="yiv6223805879qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6223805879yqt5933923453" id="yiv6223805879yqt81544"><div><blockquote class="yiv6223805879" type="cite"><div class="yiv6223805879">On Jul 11, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Richard Gauthier <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" ymailto="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="yiv6223805879"></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879yqt5933923453" id="yiv6223805879yqt35722"><div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="word-wrap:break-word;"><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><blockquote class="yiv6223805879" type="cite"><div class="yiv6223805879">On Jul 6, 2015, at 7:34 AM, Mark, Martin van der <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" ymailto="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com">martin.van.der.mark@philips.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879WordSection1" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Andrew, good question, it took me a little time to see it, but it is easy in hindsight as always.</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">In the linear motion of a breather, there is a shorter path, but acceleration and deceleration on the path, which takes time! Hence, the instantaneous de Broglie wavelength is changing! It is chirped! On the circular orbit, the velocity is not changing in magnitude but in direction and de Broglie wave projections on a radial line behave exactly similar.</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Going to a more advanced model of the atom, with elliptical paths, one must quantize both the momentum p and the angular momentum L with r and theta the coordinates of interest. Then it follows that the ground state is actually a breather and not a circulation. (Wilson-Sommerfeld theory, I think)</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">I hope this helps,</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Very best, Martin</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" lang="DE" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Dr. Martin B. van der Mark</span><span class="yiv6223805879" lang="DE" style="color:navy;"></span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Principal Scientist, Minimally Invasive Healthcare</span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:navy;"></span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:navy;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Philips Research Europe - Eindhoven</span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:navy;"></span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">High Tech Campus, Building 34 (WB2.025)</span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:navy;"></span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Prof. Holstlaan 4</span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:navy;"></span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">5656 AE Eindhoven, The Netherlands</span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:navy;"></span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Tel: +31 40 2747548</span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><b class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<span class="yiv6223805879Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="yiv6223805879">On Behalf Of<span class="yiv6223805879Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Andrew Meulenberg<br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><b class="yiv6223805879">Sent:</b><span class="yiv6223805879Apple-converted-space"> </span>maandag 6 juli 2015 16:14<br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><b class="yiv6223805879">To:</b><span class="yiv6223805879Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion; Andrew Meulenberg<br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><b class="yiv6223805879">Subject:</b><span class="yiv6223805879Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] Physics in 100 years according to Wilczek</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">Dear Martin,</div></div><div class="yiv6223805879MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">You have clarified your point and refined my thinking. Thank you. My mistake was in thinking that the deBroglie frequency was like the Compton frequency and had a constant relationship with the deBroglie wavelength. But, the conversion wrt v, not c, makes your version correct.</div></div><div class="yiv6223805879MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">Your point about the constant distance between the proton and electron, rather than a constant distance (of r = lambda_dB /2pi) to the center of the orbit is interesting. Does this mean that the actual orbital circumference is less than the dB wavelength over 2 pi? It is a small difference, but perhaps important in some cases. Is the actual radius based on the dB wavelength using the reduced mass rather than on the electron mass? Of course, the problem of the orbit shape is important. However, I think that for the atomic-electron orbitals, the total orbit length is the same in both circular and near-linear orbits.</div></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">Andrew</div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">____________________________</div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Mark, Martin van der <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" ymailto="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">martin.van.der.mark@philips.com</a>> wrote:</div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dear Richard,</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">(Andrew you want to pay attention to this too!)</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Here is the continuation of my reply to your comments on my SPIE paper.</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">I have changed the text regarding your point 2 and 4 and will also do this for point 3.</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Your calculation below is correct. More important is, the reason why it is; how the quantization condition is put in.</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">What was wrong in the paper is that not only the orbital frequencies of proton and electron were taken equal (correctly) but also the De Broglie frequencies. This leads to two quantization conditions that look very plausible, but it is wrong: both proton and electron De Broglie wavelengths fit on their own orbital around the center of mass.</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">On closer examination I saw this appears to lead to trouble with the reduced mass and orbital angular momentum, things do not add up properly.</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Right answer is:</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">The conclusion is that the reduced mass, proton and electron orbital frequency are (all three) identical, as are the respective De Broglie wavelengths. The total angular momentum is the sum of that of proton and electron and is, in the Bohr model, precisely hbar, as it should.</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">This means, and that is somewhat puzzling if one imagines a circular orbit (instead of a radial breathing, which is going on in reality), that the De Broglie wavelengths of both proton and electron do NOT fit on their circular orbit, but DO fit on the distance between them divided by pi! Both electron and proton act in such a way that they forget about the world around them and only see the other particle going round them in a path of exactly the De Broglie wavelength.</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">De Kinetic energy of the proton is less than the electron’s by their mass ratio.</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Richard, well done, thank you very much indeed. I have put you in the acknowledgement of the paper, truly and totally deserved.</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">I will sent a new copy of the paper with all the changes and suggestions by you and others. No change in the results, but much better quality!</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Very best regards, Martin</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" lang="DE" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Dr. Martin B. van der Mark</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Principal Scientist, Minimally Invasive Healthcare</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:navy;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Philips Research Europe - Eindhoven</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">High Tech Campus, Building 34 (WB2.025)</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Prof. Holstlaan 4</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">5656 AE Eindhoven, The Netherlands</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Tel: +31 40 2747548</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181, 196, 223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><b class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces%2Bmartin.van.der.mark" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces%2Bmartin.van.der.mark" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark</a>=<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" ymailto="mailto:philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<span class="yiv6223805879Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="yiv6223805879">On Behalf Of<span class="yiv6223805879Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Richard Gauthier<br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><b class="yiv6223805879">Sent:</b><span class="yiv6223805879Apple-converted-space"> </span>vrijdag 3 juli 2015 19:21</span></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><b class="yiv6223805879">To:</b><span class="yiv6223805879Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><b class="yiv6223805879">Subject:</b><span class="yiv6223805879Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] Physics in 100 years according to Wilczek</div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">Hi Martin,</div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> Please scratch the previous derivation for KEp/KEe which had typos, though the result is the same. Here it is again: (a) Mp Rp = Me Re so Rp/Re = Me/Mp (b) KEe = 1/2 Me Re^2 Omega^2 and KEp = 1/2 Mp Rp^2 Omega^2 (c) KEp/KEe = (Mp Rp^2)/(Me Re^2) (d) KEp/KEe = (Mp/Me) (Rp/Re)^2 = (Mp/Me) (Me/Mp)^2 = Me/Mp = 1/1836 </div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> Richard</div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div><div class="yiv6223805879"><blockquote class="yiv6223805879" style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">On Jul 3, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Richard Gauthier <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" ymailto="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">Martin, I meant Newton’t 3rd law.</div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> Richard</div><div class="yiv6223805879"><blockquote class="yiv6223805879" style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">On Jul 3, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Richard Gauthier <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" ymailto="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">Hi Martin,</div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> Thanks for your detailed reply to my comments. Looking forward to the next draft/final draft.</div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">On point 3, Classical mechanics gives the proton in a hydrogen atom having Me/Mp = 1/1836 times the kinetic energy of the electron. This is derived from (a) Mp Rp = Me Re from conservation of momentum or Newton’s second law, where Rp and Re are the distances of the proton and the electron from their common center of mass, and (b) KEe = 1/2 Me Re Omega^2 and KEp = 1/2 Mp Rp Omega^2 for the KE of the electron and the proton respectively as they revolve around their common stationary CM, where Omega is their common angular velocity around their CM. From (b) this gives KEp/KEe = (Mp Rp^2)/(Me Re^2). Substituting Rp = Re (Me/Mp) from (a) into (b) gives KEp/KEe = Me/Mp = 1/1836 .</div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> Richard</div></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div><div class="yiv6223805879"><blockquote class="yiv6223805879" style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">On Jul 3, 2015, at 2:14 AM, Mark, Martin van der <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" ymailto="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">martin.van.der.mark@philips.com</a>> wrote:</div></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dear Richard,</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thank you very much for looking at the paper so thoroughly. Good questions too!</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">See below for answers, </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:red;">in red</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Very best regards, martin</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" lang="DE" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Dr. Martin B. van der Mark</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Principal Scientist, Minimally Invasive Healthcare</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:navy;"> </span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Philips Research Europe - 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General Discussion<br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><b class="yiv6223805879">Subject:</b> Re: [General] Physics in 100 years according to Wilczek</span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">Hi Martin,</div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> Thanks for sending an advance draft of your first paper. I have a few comments:</div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin-left:36pt;"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">1)<span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:7pt;"> </span>Near the end of the paper (p.10), referring to quarks in the proton you say “<span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;">We have already concluded that they can only fit within the proton if moving very fast, and that may be true for their De Broglie wavelength and orbital motion, but what about their own size, their Compton wavelength size? Too light, hence too big, and the proton would have to be a hundred times larger than it is."</span> But the radius of the quark would also decrease with its speed, probably as 1/gamma, just as the electron does as seen in high energy electron scattering experiments. If the quark's speed is 0.999c as you say, this gives a gamma of about 22.4. Quark masses in a proton are on average 3MeV each or 6 times the electron mass, so the Compton double-loop radius Rq of a resting quark, inversely proportional to the quark’s mass, would be 1/6 that of the electron’s characteristic size Ro=1.9 x 10^-13m, i.e. Rq= (1.9 x 10^-13) / 6 or about 30 x 10^-15 m for a resting quark. And for a speeding quark, R= Rq/gamma = 1.3 x 10^-15 m— nearly the proton size, so a high speed quark could probably fit (with a somewhat higher quark velocity than 0.999c, say 0.9995c with gamma=32) comfortably inside a proton.</div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">Very good question. First of all I am taking the point of view of conventional physics here, and hence I must be ignorant about quarks themselves perhaps being like light-speed knots as well. But since that notion is seeping into the paper through the abstract and earlier sections, you are right and I also have to explain it from that point of view. Now there are two possibilities:</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin-left:36pt;"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">a)</span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:7pt;color:red;"> </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">The quark is like the Williamson-van der Mark electron, it is not knotted and may interact in a point-like fashion as indicated in the 1997Ann Fond L De Broglie paper. Then it will show the behavior you indicate: for its head-on interaction it seems to have shrunk to a small size.</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin-left:36pt;"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">b)</span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:7pt;color:red;"> </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">The quark is a knot of light. Now it there will be extra stresses when one lobe will be pulled in head-on interactions and no point-like interaction will occur. A proton has a real size associated to it: its charge radius, so then will the quark have a real size. This size will not scale as that for a photon, so this ruled out.</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin-left:36pt;"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">c)</span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:7pt;color:red;"> </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">The quark is just a lump of some mostly non-electromagnetic basic stuff. Then its interaction doesn’t scale like that of a photon either. Ruled out.</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">All of these possibility a), b) and c) are already excluded in the paper based on the ratio of kinetic energy and total energy, but suppose I made a mistake in my estimate and there is still just enough energy left to make possibility a) true. Then you should realize that relativity does not realy make things shrink, it only makes things look to have shrunk in your frame, in the direction of motion.</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">What I mean is best illustrated in the following way. Consider a quite heavy nucleus with many protons and neutrons together. Their distance <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_force" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:purple;">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_force</span></a></span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">in a nucleus is quite similar to the charge radius: 0.7-1.0 fm, which I call the size of the proton. Now if the quarks would be a 100 times larger, the proton would be too, and so would the nucleus have to be. In possibility a), only a head-on interaction process would make them look small. This interaction between quarks of one nucleon and another is not taking place, see the remark on the bag model of the nucleus and non-fusion of the nucleon membrane.</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">In relativity, objects do not really shrink, and usually do not even show it laterally to the direction of motion. It is all a matter of perspective (pun intended).</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">You see, it is not easy or obvious, it takes quite some text to explain. This means, at least in this case, that it is a good question you posed.</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">I am not sure how to improve the paper regarding this point… leaving out the remark about the Compton wavelength size is one possibility….</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">2) On the top of page 4 you write “ <span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;">Historically, in 1913, the quantization using De Broglie waves was the answer to Bohr’s postulated stability of electron orbits in his model of the Hydrogen atom."</span> De Broglie gave his integer Bohr orbit de Broglie wavelength calculations in a journal article I believe in 1923 and again in his thesis in 1924.</div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:red;">Yes I agree that this may be confusing since De Broglie came later than Bohr. I should formulate this a little better. Bohr just postulated the stability, then came the explanation. </span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">3) You say on p 7 last paragraph, that the kinetic energy in a hydrogen atom is shared equally between the proton and the electron. This is I think mistaken. Their momenta and de Broglie wavelengths are equal, but the electron will have much more of the total KE based on KE = 1/2 mv^2 .</div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">This is what I thought too, originally, but the equations tell another story, I will look at it again to make sure I didn’t make some mistake though…..can you find it? It doesn’t matter for the message of the paper but whatever I say, it should be correct.</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">Also there is a typo above equation 5 on page 7: “where" not “were"</div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">Thank you, will fix it!</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;"> </span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:red;">I will send you an update once I have dealt with this.</span></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> best regards,</div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> Richard</div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><blockquote class="yiv6223805879" style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">On Jul 2, 2015, at 8:44 AM, Mark, Martin van der <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" ymailto="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:purple;">martin.van.der.mark@philips.com</span></a>> wrote:</div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">David,</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">As promised, my paper. This is the philosophical one.<br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879">Protons and electrons are built from a continuous light-speed circulation of energy. That energy must take part in at least the electromagnetic interaction. Perhaps it is just knotted light? In any case, quarks, gluons, strings, super-symmetrical particles, Planck-scale physics: all bullshit…well not entirely; the quark symmetry is there and should be there.</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">The other one paper is pure mathematics and it shows how Maxwell’s equation support topological solutions (knots of fields) that may be charged, and how the knots are behaving as quantum mechanical objects (the knots are also solutions to the Dirac or Klein-Gordon equation), I am in the process of drafting the text around it. A non-linear condition makes that the solutions must also obey a null-condition (invariant, being a proper spinor). All that together with the winding numbers of the knots should give enough conditions to select out only a minor number of possibilities to survive…haven’t proven that yet.</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">I will sent this second one in a few weeks time… actually it should be ready in two…</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cheers, Martin</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" lang="DE" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Dr. Martin B. van der Mark</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Principal Scientist, Minimally Invasive Healthcare</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:navy;"> </span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:navy;">Philips Research Europe - 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General Discussion<br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><b class="yiv6223805879">Subject:</b> [General] Physics in 100 years according to Wilczek</span></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">All, </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">As I look at all these different models of the electron, we have all carefully grasped the elephant somewhere on the outside in an attempt to figure out what's on the inside. In our quest to determine the heart of the electron, we have compared present day notes in hopes of future results. So any description of the elephant called electron can be reduced to a series of experimental results that already exist and a limits can be placed to confine any model to reasonableness.</span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who is the fairest...oh, forget that. What I want to know...what does the future hold for quantum and quanta and is there at least a roadmap in physics.</span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Specifically, w</span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">hat does the future hold in terms of photon models and photon-based electrons? </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">That is a question open to interpretation but Wilczek at least provides a framework with a few directions in his paper published in March 2015.</span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Summarized in a brief article on PBS website, Wilczek came out with a rather bold paper on musings and wishes available on Arxiv.</span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">A quick article from PBS...from</span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" target="_blank" href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/physics/in-100-years/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:purple;">How Physics Will Change—and Change the World—in 100 Years — NOVA Next | PBS</span></a></span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">The full paper....</span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" target="_blank" href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.07735.pdf" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:purple;">http://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.07735.pdf</span></a></span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">The paper was a fun read in spite of the physics and mathematics involved. Here is one of my favorite quotes:</span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879">"When Leon Cooper, on behalf of Brown University, asked me to contribute to their 250</i></b><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMTI8;">th </span>anniversary by giving a talk </i></b></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879">about the next 250 years of physics, I of course accepted immediately. Then I thought about it. I soon realized that </i></b></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879">I’d taken on a task that is way beyond me, or (I suspect) anyone else. So as a first step I renormalized 250 </i></b><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMSY10;">→ </span>100."</i></b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879">"Here I indulge in wide-ranging speculations on the shape of physics, and technology closely related to physics, over the next one hundred years. </i></b></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879">Themes include the many faces of unification, the reimagining of quantum theory, and new forms of engineering on small, intermediate, and large scales."</i></b></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">My take is that given the rapid advances in quantum computing, and Kurzweil's pending Singularity, we should consider the Wilczek paper a roadmap good for at least 20 years. </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">We should also consider this paper somewhat as guidance to modeling photon and electron.</span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Before looking forward, Wilczek summarizes the history of physics and mathematics where there has been unification. In the computer industry including Apple, HP, IBM and Microsoft, unification is also called integration. And in finance, mergers and acquisitions. But I digress.</span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">From history, Wilczek provide a summary of</span><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:18pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> unification</span></i></b><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> in specific fields. I'm sure there are others but these will do.</span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">"Names are attached not as credit but a shorthand for developments:</span></i></b></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMBX10;">– </span>Unification of algebra and geometry (Descartes)</i></b><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMR8;"><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"></span></i></b><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMBX10;">– </span>Unification of celestial and terrestrial physics (Galileo, Newton) </i></b><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMBX10;">– </span>Unification of mechanics and optics (Hamilton)<br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"></i></b><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMBX10;">– </span>Unification of electricity, magnetism, and optics (Maxwell)<br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"></i></b><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMBX10;">– </span>Unification of space and time (Einstein, Minkowski)<br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"></i></b><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMBX10;">– </span>Unification of wave and particle (Einstein, de Broglie) </i></b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMBX10;">– </span>Unification of reasoning and calculation (Boole, Turing) </i></b></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><b class="yiv6223805879"><i class="yiv6223805879">end"</i></b></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">So he continues on the theme of unification with the Standard Model and eventually leads us into Supersymmetry (SUSY). </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><b class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMR9;">"<i class="yiv6223805879">For reasons I’ve detailed in an Appendix, I think the most sensible procedure is to use “Standard Model” in its original sense, to mean the electroweak theory only. "</i></span></b></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMR9;">That's interesting since most of the electron models don't even mention electroweak and prefer classical or semi-classical form of EM. However, there are couple models that have the guts to go GUT and encompass the four basic forces (or five if one treats the B field separate from E) as well as declare there is a bottom, and it is spacetime. </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:13.5pt;">As background, note that the Standard Model can typically be summarized using symmetry groups as </span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMMI10;">SU</span>(3) <span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMSY10;">× </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMMI10;">SU</span>(2) <span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMSY10;">× </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMMI10;">U</span>(1) <span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMSY10;">× </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMMI10;">SO</span>(3<span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMMI10;">,</span>1)</div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;">Keep in mind that Barrett using the appropriate extensions to Maxwell's equations (Maxwell 20) confines his "Topological Electromagnistim" to</div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMMI10;">EM only ... SU</span>(3) <span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMSY10;">× </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMMI10;">SU</span>(2) <span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMSY10;">× </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMMI10;">U</span>(1)<br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><b class="yiv6223805879"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPS;">Topological Foundations of Electromagnetism </span></b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" target="_blank" href="http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-26j/aflb26jp055.pdf" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:purple;">http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-26j/aflb26jp055.pdf</span></a><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;">I have two noteworthy additions to the SM. Electrons can be spin coupled, and there is the question of phat photons, So I've wondered if the proper investigative path might be</div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMMI10;">N^2 hv == SU(4) X SU</span>(3) <span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMSY10;">× </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMMI10;">SU</span>(2) <span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMSY10;">× </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMMI10;">U</span>(1) <span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMSY10;">× </span><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMMI10;">SO</span>(3<span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:CMMI10;">,</span>1)</div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;">Any comment or correction on this view may be of help. And yes, I have seen the equations of the universe.</div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;">>From Sean Carroll</div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6223805879" target="_blank" href="http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/01/04/the-world-of-everyday-experience-in-one-equation/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="color:purple;">The World of Everyday Experience, In One Equation</span></a></span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin-top:3.75pt;margin-bottom:3.75pt;"><table class="yiv6223805879MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;"><tbody class="yiv6223805879"><tr class="yiv6223805879"><td colspan="8" rowspan="1" class="yiv6223805879" style="background-color:rgb(229, 229, 229);padding:0cm;"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:1pt;"> </span></div></div></div></div></td></tr><tr class="yiv6223805879"><td colspan="1" 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class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;line-height:15pt;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153);">Longtime readers know I feel strongly that it should be more widely appreciated that the laws underlying the physics of everyday life are completely understood. 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<span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:13.5pt;">Or could it be the unification of spacetime and waves that provides the key insight and breakthrough? </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:13.5pt;">Could it be we need to rethink how we think about things, and perhaps relearn a new way on how we learn how to learn? </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"><br clear="none" class="yiv6223805879"></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">And what is inside the photon?</span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;">Best Regards,</div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;">David</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div></div><div align="center" class="yiv6223805879MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;text-align:center;"><hr align="center" class="yiv6223805879" size="2" width="100%"></div><div class="yiv6223805879"><div class="yiv6223805879" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv6223805879" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:gray;">The information contained in this message may be confidential and legally protected under applicable law. 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