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Thank you Martin for a really nice paper. It confirmed much and took
me that little bit further than I expected.<br>
<br>
Certainly a recursive hierarchy of electromagnetc vortices whose
interactions account for observables. How to describe the topology
and coherence energy of the resulting stuff is the nature of the
problem. <br>
<br>
On the interesting question does space produce physics or must we
put stuff in space to produce physics Gordon Pask proposed space
comprised voids (absolutely empty spave no virtual anything) and
non-void (something) necessary for separation of boundaries to
exist. His version of wave particle dualism was stated "Every
process produces a product and every product is produced by a
process" Product/Proces duality in fact. <br>
<br>
Add that at least two processes are needed to produce a product and
that processes and products exist in a resonance. Pask spoke of at
least two concept processes in resonance to produce a third where
for him a concept was the internal state of an Actor (Stuff as
Martin has it) acquired through interactions with neighbours. <br>
<br>
He went further with his Exclusion principle "There are No
Doppelgangers": in the limit (of precision) no two states are the
same. This accounts for innovation over time for the forms produced
by interaction. At least this may be an novel way of re-telling the
story of wave mechanics where like spins repel and unlike spins
attract.<br>
<br>
Specifically the minimal space filling process/product resonance was
represented by a Borromean Ring. The repulsive force of the major
axis of each torus was replaced by a repulsive strut and when three
struts were arranged in space (to create a non void) nine tension
strings were needed to create an equilibrium chiral prismatic
tensegrity. This suggests there may be a three to one ratio theorem
about attractions and repulsions or phase shifts for a wave filling
space. OK conjecture over.<br>
<br>
There is clearly a general need for a better theory of coherence
energy because of the depression of melting point phenomenon and
possible objects like WIMPS. I still worry about the
Abraham-Minkowski controversy. Nothing happens in our world until an
photon enters an electric field and we can't decide if the photon
gains or loses momentum. It may not matter if photons bend forward
or backward when field strength alters but it may one day.<br>
<br>
There's some wonderful things going on here and I wish you all well
and please don't take your eye off the ball!<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
N.<br>
<br>
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all I am going to submit this paper to the conference in
time before the deadline (the 15<sup>th</sup>), comments are
still welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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Mark, Martin van der
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> zondag 5 juli 2015 20:42<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [General] Physics in 100 years
according to Wilczek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear
Richard,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(Andrew
you want to pay attention to this too!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Here
is the continuation of my reply to your comments on my SPIE
paper.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
have changed the text regarding your point 2 and 4 and will
also do this for point 3.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Your
calculation below is correct. More important is, the reason
why it is; how the quantization condition is put in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What
was wrong in the paper is that not only the orbital
frequencies of proton and electron were taken equal
(correctly) but also the De Broglie frequencies. This leads
to two quantization conditions that look very plausible, but
it is wrong: both proton and electron De Broglie wavelengths
fit on their own orbital around the center of mass.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">On
closer examination I saw this appears to lead to trouble
with the reduced mass and orbital angular momentum, things
do not add up properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Right
answer is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
conclusion is that the reduced mass, proton and electron
orbital frequency are (all three) identical, as are the
respective De Broglie wavelengths. The total angular
momentum is the sum of that of proton and electron and is,
in the Bohr model, precisely hbar, as it should.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
means, and that is somewhat puzzling if one imagines a
circular orbit (instead of a radial breathing, which is
going on in reality), that the De Broglie wavelengths of
both proton and electron do NOT fit on their circular orbit,
but DO fit on the distance between them divided by pi! Both
electron and proton act in such a way that they forget about
the world around them and only see the other particle going
round them in a path of exactly the De Broglie wavelength.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">De
Kinetic energy of the proton is less than the electron’s by
their mass ratio.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Richard,
well done, thank you very much indeed. I have put you in the
acknowledgement of the paper, truly and totally deserved.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
will sent a new copy of the paper with all the changes and
suggestions by you and others. No change in the results, but
much better quality!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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best regards, Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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General [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Gauthier<br>
<b>Sent:</b> vrijdag 3 juli 2015 19:21<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Physics in 100 years
according to Wilczek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Martin,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Please scratch the previous derivation
for KEp/KEe which had typos, though the result is the same.
Here it is again: (a) Mp Rp = Me Re so Rp/Re = Me/Mp
(b) KEe = 1/2 Me Re^2 Omega^2 and KEp = 1/2 Mp Rp^2
Omega^2 (c) KEp/KEe = (Mp Rp^2)/(Me Re^2) (d) KEp/KEe =
(Mp/Me) (Rp/Re)^2 = (Mp/Me) (Me/Mp)^2 = Me/Mp =
1/1836 <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Richard<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 3, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Richard
Gauthier <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Martin, I meant Newton’t 3rd
law.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Richard<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 3, 2015, at 9:52
AM, Richard Gauthier <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Martin,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Thanks for your
detailed reply to my comments. Looking
forward to the next draft/final draft.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On point 3, Classical
mechanics gives the proton in a hydrogen
atom having Me/Mp = 1/1836 times the
kinetic energy of the electron. This is
derived from (a) Mp Rp = Me Re from
conservation of momentum or Newton’s
second law, where Rp and Re are the
distances of the proton and the electron
from their common center of mass, and
(b) KEe = 1/2 Me Re Omega^2 and KEp =
1/2 Mp Rp Omega^2 for the KE of the
electron and the proton respectively as
they revolve around their common
stationary CM, where Omega is their
common angular velocity around their CM.
From (b) this gives KEp/KEe = (Mp
Rp^2)/(Me Re^2). Substituting Rp = Re
(Me/Mp) from (a) into (b) gives KEp/KEe
= Me/Mp = 1/1836 .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Richard<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 3, 2015,
at 2:14 AM, Mark, Martin van der
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com">martin.van.der.mark@philips.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear
Richard,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank
you very much for looking at the
paper so thoroughly. Good
questions too!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red">in
red</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Very
best regards, martin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Martin,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Thanks for
sending an advance draft of your
first paper. I have a few
comments:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="text-indent:-18.0pt">1)<span
style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Near the end of the paper
(p.10), referring to quarks in
the proton you say “<span
style="font-size:10.0pt">We
have already concluded that
they can only fit within the
proton if moving very fast,
and that may be true for their
De Broglie wavelength and
orbital motion, but what about
their own size, their Compton
wavelength size? Too light,
hence too big, and the proton
would have to be a hundred
times larger than it is."</span>
But the radius of the quark
would also decrease with its
speed, probably as 1/gamma, just
as the electron does as seen in
high energy electron scattering
experiments. If the quark's
speed is 0.999c as you say, this
gives a gamma of about 22.4.
Quark masses in a proton are on
average 3MeV each or 6 times the
electron mass, so the Compton
double-loop radius Rq of a
resting quark, inversely
proportional to the quark’s
mass, would be 1/6 that of the
electron’s characteristic size
Ro=1.9 x 10^-13m, i.e. Rq= (1.9
x 10^-13) / 6 or about 30 x
10^-15 m for a resting quark.
And for a speeding quark, R=
Rq/gamma = 1.3 x 10^-15 m—
nearly the proton size, so a
high speed quark could probably
fit (with a somewhat higher
quark velocity than 0.999c, say
0.9995c with gamma=32)
comfortably inside a proton.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:red">Very good
question. First of all I am
taking the point of view of
conventional physics here, and
hence I must be ignorant about
quarks themselves perhaps
being like light-speed knots
as well. But since that notion
is seeping into the paper
through the abstract and
earlier sections, you are
right and I also have to
explain it from that point of
view. Now there are two
possibilities:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:red">a)</span><span
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class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:red">The quark is
like the Williamson-van der
Mark electron, it is not
knotted and may interact in a
point-like fashion as
indicated in the 1997Ann Fond
L De Broglie paper. Then it
will show the behavior you
indicate: for its head-on
interaction it seems to have
shrunk to a small size.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:red">b)</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:red"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:red">The quark is
a knot of light. Now it there
will be extra stresses when
one lobe will be pulled in
head-on interactions and no
point-like interaction will
occur. A proton has a real
size associated to it: its
charge radius, so then will
the quark have a real size.
This size will not scale as
that for a photon, so this
ruled out.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span
style="color:red">c)</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:red"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:red">The quark is
just a lump of some mostly
non-electromagnetic basic
stuff. Then its interaction
doesn’t scale like that of a
photon either. Ruled out.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:red">All of these
possibility a), b) and c) are
already excluded in the paper
based on the ratio of kinetic
energy and total energy, but
suppose I made a mistake in my
estimate and there is still
just enough energy left to
make possibility a) true. Then
you should realize that
relativity does not realy make
things shrink, it only makes
things look to have shrunk in
your frame, in the direction
of motion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:red">What I mean
is best illustrated in the
following way. Consider a
quite heavy nucleus with many
protons and neutrons together.
Their distance<span
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style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:red">in a nucleus
is quite similar to the charge
radius: 0.7-1.0 fm, which I
call the size of the proton.
Now if the quarks would be a
100 times larger, the proton
would be too, and so would the
nucleus have to be. In
possibility a), only a head-on
interaction process would make
them look small. This
interaction between quarks of
one nucleon and another is not
taking place, see the remark
on the bag model of the
nucleus and non-fusion of the
nucleon membrane.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:red">In
relativity, objects do not
really shrink, and usually do
not even show it laterally to
the direction of motion. It is
all a matter of perspective
(pun intended).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:red">You see, it
is not easy or obvious, it
takes quite some text to
explain. This means, at least
in this case, that it is a
good question you posed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:red">I am not
sure how to improve the paper
regarding this point… leaving
out the remark about the
Compton wavelength size is one
possibility….</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2) On the top
of page 4 you write “ <span
style="font-size:10.0pt">Historically,
in 1913, the quantization
using De Broglie waves was the
answer to Bohr’s postulated
stability of electron orbits
in his model of the Hydrogen
atom."</span> De Broglie gave
his integer Bohr orbit de
Broglie wavelength calculations
in a journal article I believe
in 1923 and again in his thesis
in 1924.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red">Yes
I agree that this may be
confusing since De Broglie
came later than Bohr. I should
formulate this a little
better. Bohr just postulated
the stability, then came the
explanation.<span
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<p class="MsoNormal">3) You say on
p 7 last paragraph, that the
kinetic energy in a hydrogen
atom is shared equally between
the proton and the electron.
This is I think mistaken. Their
momenta and de Broglie
wavelengths are equal, but the
electron will have much more of
the total KE based on KE = 1/2
mv^2 .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:red">This is what
I thought too, originally, but
the equations tell another
story, I will look at it again
to make sure I didn’t make
some mistake though…..can you
find it? It doesn’t matter for
the message of the paper but
whatever I say, it should be
correct.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also there is
a typo above equation 5 on page
7: “where" not “were"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:red">Thank you,
will fix it!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:red">I will send
you an update once I have
dealt with this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> best
regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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Richard<o:p></o:p></p>
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2015, at 8:44 AM, Mark,
Martin van der <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As
promised, my paper. This
is the philosophical
one.<br>
Protons and electrons
are built from a
continuous light-speed
circulation of energy.
That energy must take
part in at least the
electromagnetic
interaction. Perhaps it
is just knotted light?
In any case, quarks,
gluons, strings,
super-symmetrical
particles, Planck-scale
physics: all
bullshit…well not
entirely; the quark
symmetry is there and
should be there.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
other one paper is pure
mathematics and it shows
how Maxwell’s equation
support topological
solutions (knots of
fields) that may be
charged, and how the
knots are behaving as
quantum mechanical
objects (the knots are
also solutions to the
Dirac or Klein-Gordon
equation), I am in the
process of drafting the
text around it. A
non-linear condition
makes that the solutions
must also obey a
null-condition
(invariant, being a
proper spinor). All that
together with the
winding numbers of the
knots should give enough
conditions to select out
only a minor number of
possibilities to
survive…haven’t proven
that yet.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
will sent this second
one in a few weeks time…
actually it should be
ready in two…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,
Martin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b><span
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according to Wilczek</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">As I
look at all these
different models of
the electron, we
have all carefully
grasped the elephant
somewhere on the
outside in an
attempt to figure
out what's on the
inside. In our quest
to determine the
heart of the
electron, we have
compared present day
notes in hopes of
future results. So
any description of
the elephant called
electron can be
reduced to a series
of experimental
results that already
exist and a limits
can be placed to
confine any model to
reasonableness.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Mirror,
mirror, on the wall,
who is the
fairest...oh, forget
that. What I want to
know...what does the
future hold for
quantum and quanta
and is there at
least a roadmap in
physics.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Specifically,
w</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">hat
does the future hold
in terms of photon
models and
photon-based
electrons? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">That
is a question open
to interpretation
but Wilczek at least
provides a framework
with a few
directions in his
paper published in
March 2015.</span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Summarized
in a brief article
on PBS
website, Wilczek
came out with a
rather bold paper on
musings and wishes
available on Arxiv.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:purple">How
Physics Will
Change—and
Change the
World—in 100
Years — NOVA
Next | PBS</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">The
full paper....</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091">
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.07735.pdf"><span style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.07735.pdf">http://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.07735.pdf</a></span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">The
paper was a fun read
in spite of the
physics and
mathematics
involved. Here is
one of my favorite
quotes:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11877">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11876">
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><i>"When Leon Cooper, on behalf of Brown
University,
asked me to
contribute to
their 250</i></b><b><i><span
style="font-family:"CMTI8","serif"">th<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>anniversary
by giving a
talk </i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11873">
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><i>about the next 250 years of physics, I of
course
accepted
immediately. Then
I thought
about it. I
soon realized
that </i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_11873">
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><i>I’d taken on a task that is way beyond
me, or (I
suspect)
anyone else.
So as a first
step I
renormalized
250<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-family:"CMSY10","serif"">→<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>100."</i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><i>"Here
I indulge in
wide-ranging
speculations on
the shape of
physics, and
technology closely
related to
physics, over the
next one hundred
years. </i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><i>Themes
include the many
faces of
unification, the
reimagining of
quantum theory,
and new forms of
engineering on
small,
intermediate, and
large scales."</i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_13905">
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">My take
is that given the
rapid advances in
quantum computing,
and Kurzweil's
pending Singularity,
we should consider
the Wilczek paper a
roadmap good for at
least 20 years. </span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">We
should also consider
this paper somewhat
as guidance to
modeling photon and
electron.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
</div>
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091">
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10095">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10094">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10093">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10092">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Before
looking
forward,
Wilczek
summarizes the
history of
physics and
mathematics
where there
has been
unification.
In the
computer
industry
including
Apple, HP, IBM
and Microsoft,
unification is
also called
integration.
And in
finance,
mergers and
acquisitions.
But I digress.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">From
history,
Wilczek
provide a
summary of</span><span
class="apple-converted-space"><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_15382"><i
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_15380"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></i></b></span><b><i><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">unification</span></i></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">in
specific
fields. I'm
sure there are
others but
these will do.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><i><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">"Names
are attached not
as credit but a
shorthand for
developments:</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_9091">
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10189">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10188">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10187">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10186">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><i><span
style="font-family:"CMBX10","serif"">–<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Unification of algebra and
geometry
(Descartes)</i></b><b><i><span
style="font-family:"CMR8","serif""><br>
</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-family:"CMBX10","serif"">–<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Unification
of celestial
and
terrestrial
physics
(Galileo,
Newton)<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-family:"CMBX10","serif"">–<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Unification
of mechanics
and optics
(Hamilton)<br>
</i></b><b><i><span
style="font-family:"CMBX10","serif"">–<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Unification
of
electricity,
magnetism, and
optics
(Maxwell)<br>
</i></b><b><i><span
style="font-family:"CMBX10","serif"">–<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Unification
of space and
time
(Einstein,
Minkowski)<br>
</i></b><b><i><span
style="font-family:"CMBX10","serif"">–<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Unification
of wave and
particle
(Einstein, de
Broglie) </i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10347">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10346">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10345">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10363">
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><i><span
style="font-family:"CMBX10","serif"">–<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Unification of reasoning
and
calculation
(Boole,
Turing) </i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
</div>
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10363">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10363">
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><i>end"</i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10363">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">So
he continues
on the theme
of unification
with the
Standard Model
and eventually
leads us into
Supersymmetry
(SUSY). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10363">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10569">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10568">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10567">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10583">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10582">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10581">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10580">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-family:"CMR9","serif"">"<i
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_15086">For reasons I’ve detailed in an
Appendix, I
think the most
sensible
procedure is
to use
“Standard
Model” in its
original
sense, to mean
the
electroweak
theory only. "</i></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_13958">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_13958">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"CMR9","serif"">That's
interesting
since most of
the electron
models don't
even mention
electroweak
and prefer
classical or
semi-classical
form of EM.
However, there
are couple
models that
have the guts
to go GUT and
encompass the
four basic
forces (or
five if one
treats the B
field separate
from E) as
well as
declare there
is a bottom,
and it is
spacetime. </span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt">As background, note that the Standard Model can
typically be
summarized
using symmetry
groups as </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10095">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10094">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10093">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10092">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10569">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10568">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10567">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10566">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"CMMI10","serif"">SU</span>(3) <span
style="font-family:"CMSY10","serif"">× </span><span
style="font-family:"CMMI10","serif"">SU</span>(2) <span
style="font-family:"CMSY10","serif"">× </span><span
style="font-family:"CMMI10","serif"">U</span>(1) <span
style="font-family:"CMSY10","serif"">× </span><span
style="font-family:"CMMI10","serif"">SO</span>(3<span
style="font-family:"CMMI10","serif"">,</span>1)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10583">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10582">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10581">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10580">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white">Keep in mind that Barrett using the appropriate
extensions to
Maxwell's
equations
(Maxwell 20)
confines his
"Topological
Electromagnistim"
to<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-family:"CMMI10","serif"">EM
only ... SU</span>(3) <span
style="font-family:"CMSY10","serif"">× </span><span
style="font-family:"CMMI10","serif"">SU</span>(2) <span
style="font-family:"CMSY10","serif"">× </span><span
style="font-family:"CMMI10","serif"">U</span>(1)<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10752">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10751">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10750">
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10749">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS","serif"">Topological
Foundations of
Electromagnetism </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-26j/aflb26jp055.pdf"><span
style="color:purple">http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-26j/aflb26jp055.pdf</span></a><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white">I have two noteworthy additions to the SM.
Electrons can
be spin
coupled, and
there is the
question of
phat photons,
So I've
wondered if
the proper
investigative
path might be<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"CMMI10","serif"">N^2
hv == SU(4) X
SU</span>(3) <span
style="font-family:"CMSY10","serif"">× </span><span
style="font-family:"CMMI10","serif"">SU</span>(2) <span
style="font-family:"CMSY10","serif"">× </span><span
style="font-family:"CMMI10","serif"">U</span>(1) <span
style="font-family:"CMSY10","serif"">× </span><span
style="font-family:"CMMI10","serif"">SO</span>(3<span
style="font-family:"CMMI10","serif"">,</span>1)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435792424476_10091">
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p
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of help. And
yes, I have
seen the
equations of
the universe.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:purple">The World of Everyday Experience, In One Equation</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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appreciated
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physics of
everyday life
are completely
understood.
(If...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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SPIE conference,
I wonder what is
the next
unification?<o:p></o:p></p>
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next?<o:p></o:p></p>
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electron? <span
style="font-size:13.5pt">Or could it be the unification of spacetime and
waves that
provides the
key insight
and
breakthrough? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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need to
rethink how we
think about
things, and
perhaps
relearn a new
way on how we
learn how to
learn? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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