<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8922"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_14987"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_14986">Martin, Richard and all</font></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8923"><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr" class=""><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_23218" class=""> If one questions the methodology, one can always request a second opinion but a different method to cross-verify might prove invaluable. </font><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_39343" class="" style="font-size: medium;">Kimble (1977) refers to </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_antibunching" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9751" class="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Photon anti bunching</a><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_39346" class="" style="font-size: medium;">. Is there another method or two that would cross-verify the principle?</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_48626" class=""><span class="" style="font-size: medium;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_48628"><br id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_48630" class=""></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8965"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_23850">So we have three conditions for the quantum photon; these conditions are emission, in transit, and absorption. </font></span><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9998" class="">At a minimum, a photon is defined by energy, momentum and frequency. </span><span style="font-size: medium;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_48546" class="">Polarization, spin, and amplitude also need to be defined. </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr" class=""><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_35193">For example, a <a href="http://spie.org/Publications/Proceedings/Paper/10.1117/12.2021711" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_48452">Phat photons and phat lasers | (2013) | Williams | Publications | Spie</a> with energy = N^2<b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_10515" class=""> </b>hv for N = 1,2,3,4,5... and total <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_13082" class="">E</b> vector = N <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_10698" class="">E, </b>a crystalline emitter may be possible. However, the sensor is a participant in the measurement of the photon. Even if the phat photon energy is within permissible limits, the sensor itself may at the molecular, atomic and perhaps even the elementary particle level may not properly record a correct value especially for certain modes, polarizations, and amplitudes. </font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr" class=""><font size="3"><br></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr" class=""><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_47084">Furthermore, even if the sensor is capable, the software in a phat photon detector may not properly detect or record the event preferring to data log the event as a transient or a saturation event or perhaps filter out the event altogether as noise. Therefore, I renew my cross-verification requirement using different methods to verify a mode, whether new or improved. One could go further and seek a second manufacturer of the test equipment but this could introduce additional random and systematic errors. </font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_13880" class=""><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr" class=""><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_48107">For a cavity, the resonant modes need to be determined. Linear and non-linear results can be attributed to resonance. Note that the universe may be considered to be a cavity. The </font><a href="http://www.jpier.org/PIER/pier62/01.0603303.Gustafsson.N.pdf" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_48957">Q factor and resonance</a> also need to be determined. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_11638" class=""><font size="3"><br id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_11640" class=""></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_48106">For an unconfined photon, a freespace photon, the energy states may be dependent upon the detectable characteristics of the emitter and the detector. The zero vacuum point and the tensile strength of space plus that of the detector material phase-state may also contribute to issues.</font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_48144"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeler%E2%80%93Feynman_absorber_theory" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_13434" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Wheeler–Feynman absorber theory</a> removes self-interacting conditions resulting in self-energizing which also may be an issue for a detector for W-F theory transitions.</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_13719" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr" class=""><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_48143">In regards to the electron, one should examine the implications of their theory in a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-electron_universe" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_12175" class="">One-electron universe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a>. </font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_13821" class=""><font size="3"><br id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_13823" class=""></font></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_17550"><span style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); line-height: 22px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_13812" class=""><i id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_48242">"The eventual creation and annihilation of pairs that may occur now and then is no creation or annihilation, but only a change of direction of moving particles, from past to future, or from future to past." Nambu 1950</i></span><br></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr"><font color="#252525" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_13977" size="3"><span style="line-height: 22px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_13976">Is there a fundamental building block, an indivisible element, to the universe? Could it simply be a wavelet, in part or whole?</span></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr"><font color="#252525" size="3"><span style="line-height: 22px;"><br></span></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr" class=""><font color="#252525" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_13972" size="3" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_13971" style="line-height: 22px;" class=""><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49114" class=""><i id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49113" class="">If one stipulates that the photon is the building block of elementary particles, then could there be a one-photon universe?</i></b></span></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49124" class=""><font color="#252525" size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49126" class=""><span style="line-height: 22px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49128" class=""><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49130" class=""><i id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49132" class=""><br id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49134" class=""></i></b></span></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr"><font color="#252525" size="3"><span style="line-height: 22px;">David</span></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr" class=""><font size="3"><br></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); line-height: 22px;" class=""><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8966" dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br></font></div><font size="3"><br> </font><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8799"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8798"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8797"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8839"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9830"> <font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49260"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9096"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Richard Gauthier <richgauthier@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Mary Fletcher <marycfletcher@gmail.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 2, 2015 5:13 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [General] Questionnaire<br> </font> </font></div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_8796"><font size="3"><br></font><div id="yiv2760026313"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9098"><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9097"><font size="3">Hello Martin,</font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9099"><font size="3"> Thanks for your challenge to the group.</font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9100"><font size="3"> I’m quoting from the Wikipedia article “Photon” at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2760026313" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_12068">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon</a> : "Although these semiclassical models contributed to the development of quantum mechanics, many further experiments<sup class="yiv2760026313reference" id="yiv2760026313cite_ref-2"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2760026313" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-2">[2]</a></sup><sup class="yiv2760026313reference" id="yiv2760026313cite_ref-3"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2760026313" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_10652">[3]</a></sup> starting with <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2760026313" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compton_scattering" title="Compton scattering" title-off="">Compton scattering</a> of single photons by electrons, first observed in 1923, validated Einstein's hypothesis that <i class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_10470">light itself</i> is <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2760026313" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantization_%28physics%29" title="Quantization (physics)" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_10464" title-off="">quantized</a>. "</font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9632"><font size="3"><br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313"></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9633"><font size="3">The abstract of reference [2] titled </font></div><div class="yiv2760026313row" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9104"><div class="yiv2760026313medium-9 yiv2760026313columns" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9103"><h3 class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9102"><font size="3">Photon Antibunching in Resonance Fluorescence, </font></h3><h5 class="yiv2760026313authors" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9634"><font size="3">H. J. Kimble, M. Dagenais, and L. Mandel</font></h5><h5 class="yiv2760026313pub-info" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_9635"><font size="3">Phys. Rev. Lett. <b class="yiv2760026313">39</b>, 691 – Published 12 September 1977</font></h5><div class="yiv2760026313"><font size="3"><br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313"></font></div></div></div><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_12892"><font size="3">says: "The phenomenon of antibunching of photoelectric counts has been observed
in resonance fluorescence experiments in which sodium atoms are
continuously excited by a dye-laser beam. It is pointed out that, unlike
photoelectric bunching, which can be given a semiclassical
interpretation, antibunching is understandable only in terms of a
quantized electromagnetic field. The measurement also provides rather
direct evidence for an atom undergoing a quantum jump."</font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_12889"><font size="3"><br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313"></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_12890"><font size="3">You seem to be claiming that there is no definite experimental proof that light itself is quantized. Does the above experiment contradict your claim? You may say that the above experiment or any single experiment or group of experiments cannot be completely conclusive. Well, is any physics experiment completely conclusive about a theory? Are you asking the impossible when you ask for conclusive experimental proof?</font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_12941"><font size="3"> </font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_12942"><font size="3"> all the best,</font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_12943"><font size="3"> Richard</font></div><font size="3"><br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313"></font><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49219"><blockquote class="yiv2760026313" type="cite" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49218"><div class="yiv2760026313"><font size="3">On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:23 PM, Mark, Martin van der <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2760026313" ymailto="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com">martin.van.der.mark@philips.com</a>> wrote:</font></div><font size="3"><br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313Apple-interchange-newline"></font><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49217"><div class="yiv2760026313WordSection1" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49216"><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><font size="3">Dear Andrew,</font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><font size="3">I have looked at the questionnaire and realized that the one, most important question is missing!</font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><font size="3">Question 2 is closest to it, but not quite as straight to the point.</font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><font size="3"> </font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><font size="3">The question is to my opinion the most fundamental of any to be asked in the context of the nature of the photon. It is: Does quantization of the transfer of electromagnetic energy and angular momentum (the process that is mediated by what we call “photon”) resides in the electromagnetic field itself or in the emitter and absorber? Or something else, perhaps.</font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49259"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49258"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49257">Anyone may take a position of what he or she likes best of course, and I have my preference of what I would think it to be.</font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><font size="3">But if one takes a position as being the truth, it should be accompanied by reference to experimental proof.</font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><font size="3">I bet that no one can come up with any reference that is conclusive about this! It is the pink elephant in the room…if it is there we should make it explicit!!!!</font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><font size="3">Best regards, Martin</font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><font size="3"> </font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49228"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" lang="DE" style="color: navy;">Dr. Martin B. van der Mark</span><span class="yiv2760026313" lang="DE" style="color:navy;"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49227"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49255"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: navy;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49254">Principal Scientist, Minimally Invasive Healthcare</span><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: navy;"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49215"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: navy;"><font size="3"> </font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49226"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49253"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: navy;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49252">Philips Research Europe - Eindhoven</span><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: navy;"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49225"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: navy;">High Tech Campus, Building 34 (WB2.025)</span><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: navy;"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49224"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: navy;">Prof. Holstlaan 4</span><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: navy;"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49223"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: navy;">5656 AE Eindhoven, The Netherlands</span><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: navy;"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49222"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: navy;">Tel: +31 40 2747548</span><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49221"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><font size="3"> </font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49232"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49231"><b class="yiv2760026313"><span class="yiv2760026313">From:</span></b><span class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49230"><span class="yiv2760026313Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2760026313" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49251">mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<span class="yiv2760026313Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="yiv2760026313">On Behalf Of<span class="yiv2760026313Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Andrew Meulenberg<br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313"><b class="yiv2760026313">Sent:</b><span class="yiv2760026313Apple-converted-space"> </span>zaterdag 1 augustus 2015 6:03<br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313"><b class="yiv2760026313">To:</b><span class="yiv2760026313Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion; Andrew Meulenberg<br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313"><b class="yiv2760026313">Cc:</b><span class="yiv2760026313Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mary Fletcher<br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313"><b class="yiv2760026313">Subject:</b><span class="yiv2760026313Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] Questionnaire</span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"> </font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49242"><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49248"><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49250"><div class="yiv2760026313MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49249"><font size="3">Dear John M,</font></div></div><div class="yiv2760026313MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49247"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49246">Looking forward to talking w you at the conference.<span class="yiv2760026313Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313"><br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313">I recognized that most of us have too much to say on most of the items. Could you perhaps provide chapter or page of sections of your book that pertain to the questions? That would give an interested party a handy guide to the more detailed info and to your book.</font></div></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3">Andrew</font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49241"><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49240"><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49239"><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49238"><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"> </font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49237"><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49245"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49244">On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:02 PM, <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2760026313" ymailto="mailto:john@macken.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:john@macken.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">john@macken.com</a>> wrote:</font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);">Hello Everyone,</span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49243"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49236"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49235"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438557351156_49234">I am currently in Iceland and starting tomorrow I will be in Greenland for 7 days. Most of that time I will definitely be out of email contact and the rest of the time it is questionable if I will have any internet. I will be returning to the US just before the conference. I will arrive in San Diego about noon on Monday, Aug. 10. Therefore I will miss the Sunday night get-together.</span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);">I have found it very hard to write the concise answers required for the questionnaire. The reason is that I have much more detailed answers for each of the questions than most other people in the group. For example, I have just finished what I believe is the final substantive draft of my book titled “The Universe is Only Spacetime”. It is now over 400 pages. The portion of the book addressed by the questions extends from chapter 4 to chapter 11. This is a total of 134 pages. Furthermore, I get into substantial quantitative detail and proofs which make short answers impossible.</span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);">For example, with electrons I have explained and quantified two components of the electron model. This model does not derive either the electron’s Compton frequency or the fine structure constant. However, if these two numbers are provided, I can derive the electron’s energy, inertia, gravitational curvature of spacetime, gravitational force with another fundamental particle, and electrostatic force with another fundamental particle. This derivation comes from the properties of spacetime and the particle model. If I just proceed from first principles, I generate the electrostatic force if both particles had Planck charge rather than elementary charge e. In an earlier email, John W. considered this to be a defect. He said that I had missed the correct value by more than a factor of 100 (missed by 1/</span><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">α</span><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);">). This is ironic because I was quite happy with this answer. I was calculation the force assuming a coupling constant of 1, not the electron’s force with a mysterious coupling constant of alpha (</span><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">α</span><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);">).</span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);">I believe that this is the first time that a model of a fundamental particle has been able to generate the gravitational force and the electrostatic force even assuming a coupling constant of 1. If you know of any other model which has passed this test, I would be interested in hearing about it. </span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);">I have not mentioned it before, but my model also generates the strong force. The model also produces asymptotic freedom when quarks are bound together into hadrons and explains why the strong force increases as the separation distance is increased beyond the natural distance which produces asymptotic freedom. (all in the book.)</span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);">On another point, I believe that any model of particles that does not include waves which modulate the rate of time will never be able to generate either curved spacetime or the gravitational force. It is my understanding that Chandra’s CTF model only involves the 3 spatial dimensions without involving time. If he introduces time into his model, then my model and his model would be very close.</span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);">Finally, I object to characterizing an electron as being a confined photon. I believe that a photon and an electron are both made of the same fundamental building block. Therefore photons can be converted to electron/positron pairs and vice versa. They are closely related, but saying that an electron is an oscillating confined photon implies that a photon is the fundamental building block of the universe or at least particles. It also implies that we will never be able to understand an electric field, a magnetic field or a charge in terms of a distortion of a more fundamental component.</span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);">I explain all of these in terms of a distortion of energetic spacetime. I claim that an electric field, a magnetic field and even a gravitational field have both an oscillating component and a non-oscillating component. I give equations for these in the book. I show that the oscillating component gives the correct energy density to the electric and magnetic field. I also propose that a gravitational field has an energy density. I combine this with the energy of the spacetime field and show how the interaction generates a black hole when the energy density of the gravitational field at a particular frequency matches the energy density of spacetime at that frequency.</span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);">While I have finished this most recent revision of the book, it has not been loaded onto the website yet. There is a problem with the website that is preventing new material from being loaded onto the website. This problem is being worked on by one of my sons and should be fixed in a few days.</span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"><span class="yiv2760026313" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68);">John M.</span><span class="yiv2760026313"></span></font></div><div class="yiv2760026313"><div class="yiv2760026313"><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313"><font size="3"> </font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313"><font size="3"> </font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313"><font size="3"> </font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313"><font size="3">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313">From: "Andrew Meulenberg" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2760026313" ymailto="mailto:mules333@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">mules333@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313">Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 10:57am<br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313">To: "Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2760026313" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313">Cc: "Mary Fletcher" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2760026313" ymailto="mailto:marycfletcher@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:marycfletcher@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">marycfletcher@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313">Subject: [General] Questionnaire</font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313"><div class="yiv2760026313"><div class="yiv2760026313"><div class="yiv2760026313"><div class="yiv2760026313"><div class="yiv2760026313"><div class="yiv2760026313MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313"><font size="3">Dear Folks,</font></span></div></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313"><font size="3">We have 4 contributors so far. It is very illuminating. I hope that at some point we can get convergence on at least some of the questions. John W. has added a question that everyone can add to the end of the list:</font></span></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin-left:30pt;"><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313"><font size="3">QUESTION 14: By what mechanism is the electron confined?</font></span></div></div></div><div class="yiv2760026313MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313"><font size="3">I do not have time to answer the good comments in the individual emails right now (wife and premature twins, Grant and Remington, are in the hospital and all doing well). However, I hope to have time at the Conference to do so in person for those present.</font></span></div></div><div class="yiv2760026313MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313"><font size="3">I will not be arriving until 8:16PM on Sunday evening, so I cannot join the group (where ever) until about 9PM. Please do not wait until then to get started. I will be leaving Friday evening.</font></span></div></div><div class="yiv2760026313"><div class="yiv2760026313MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313"><font size="3">My time and schedule are somewhat constrained by that of Bob Hudgins and Mary Fletcher, who will arrive earlier in the day. We are planning on renting a car and staying at a motel in South Bay where the rates are more reasonable. if anyone else is doing something similar, please let me know.</font></span></div></div><div class="yiv2760026313"><div class="yiv2760026313MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313"><font size="3">Best to all,</font></span></div></div><div class="yiv2760026313"><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="yiv2760026313"><font size="3">Andrew</font></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv2760026313MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt;"><font size="3"><br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313">_______________________________________________<br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313">If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2760026313" ymailto="mailto:mules333@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">mules333@gmail.com</a><br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313"><a href="<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2760026313" target="_blank" href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/mules333%40gmail.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/mules333%40gmail.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a>"><br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313">Click here to unsubscribe<br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313"></a></font></div></div><div class="yiv2760026313" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font size="3"> </font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><font size="3"><br clear="none" class="yiv2760026313" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"></font><hr class="yiv2760026313" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><font size="3"><font class="yiv2760026313" color="Gray" style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;">The information contained in this message may be confidential and legally protected under applicable law. 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