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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">Dear John M,<br>
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Thank you for that useful and informative review.<br>
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Yes indeed the idea does not violate any conservation laws!<br>
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I too have written patents in the past - helped by the legal team of a large multinational corporation. The rigour and expense of this process has put me off in the past. Your practical advice is much appreciated.<br>
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Regards, John W.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 28, 2015 3:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [General] Advice about Patents<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue">Hi John W,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue">I wanted to give you some advice concerning filing a patent application on an idea at an early stage of development. I was the president of a company with over 200 employees. About 5% of our budget and employees
were involved in research. I was always generating new ideas. My rule was that if there was a new idea which had a chance of working, I would judge the risk/reward ratio to determine whether it was worth devoting precious resources to experimentally test
the idea. If the decision was that it was worth perusing, the first step was to file a patent application. The reasoning was that it might take 2 years to determine whether the idea is feasible. If we waited until that point that we were sure it worked,
then there is a chance that someone else would file a patent application first. An idea which is cutting edge at one point in time can be fairly obvious at some later time.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue">In the US, it takes over 2 years before the patent office even gets around to even examining the application. It is very easy to abandon the patent application any time before it is approved. In fact, I purposely
had defects in the patent application such as “informal” drawings so there was no chance that it would get approved before I could make this go – no go decision and before revised claims could be filed. The informal drawings are merely drawings that show
the idea but are not done by a professional patent draftsman. I would also not involve a patent attorney in the initial filing to keep down the cost.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue">Almost always the application is turned down on the first examination. Even ideas that are completely new are usually met with an initial rejection. I viewed this as a good thing that actually strengthens the
patent if it is eventually granted. The reasoning is that if it is granted without objection, then there is no time to revise the claims and also the patent file is very thin. In the future, there might be a law suit involving the patent. If this has to
go to court, it is actually a stronger patent if it can be shown that many patents were initially cited against it, then in the rebuttal phase, the inventor presents arguments which the patent examiner eventually found as convincing. That analysis and history
makes a stronger patent. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue">I presume that your electron-positron idea passes tests such as not violating any conservation laws. If you are serious, my advice is to file a patent application as cheaply as possible. It only needs to have one
claim. It just needs to have all the technical points covered. In the future you can hire an attorney to write new claims. Claims can be added any time up until the patent is granted. It is even possible to add a new introduction which describes prior art.
The only thing that you cannot do is add new technical information if you want to keep your original filing date.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue">I am the inventor on over 30 US patents and numerous foreign patents. I have also abandoned many patent applications that I did not want to pursue after some initial work or after more information became available.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue">Sincerely,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue">John Macken </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> General [mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Williamson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> davidmathes8@yahoo.com; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Fw: light-light interation</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:black">Dear David, Andrew et al,<br>
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Had a quick look at those - they seem to be all, as yet, theoretical.<br>
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The reason I'm interested is that I have an idea for energy generation by creating electron-positron pairs. I considered including it in the "photon and electron" paper - as an "experimental test" - but it seemed a little too way-out.<br>
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May be better put into a patent proposal!<br>
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Regards, John.</span></p>
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