<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"><div>If the most complex computer system is nothing but a (big) collection of off-on switches (binary logic), surely "the" mind, with orders of magnitude more switches, need be little else.
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 09. September 2015 um 00:58 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> "Richard Gauthier" <richgauthier@gmail.com><br/>
<b>An:</b> "Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion" <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>, "M.A." <ambroselli@phys.uconn.edu><br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General] Verification of Light Interactions</div>
<div name="quoted-content">Please ignore last email, I hit send by accident.<br/>
Richard<br/>
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> On Sep 8, 2015, at 3:57 PM, Richard Gauthier <richgauthier@gmail.com> wrote:<br/>
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>> On Sep 8, 2015, at 12:35 PM, M.A. <ambroselli@phys.uconn.edu> wrote:<br/>
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>> Hi Richard,<br/>
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>> Interesting discussion.<br/>
>> Why do you think that 'mind' may not be an epiphenomenon of<br/>
>> matter? (I mean 'matter' here in the broader sense that includes<br/>
>> EM and all the other known interactions - essentially Chandra's CTF)<br/>
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>> I've recently heard (on NPR I believe) an argument that it is<br/>
>> essentially impossible for us to reach a point at which we have<br/>
>> expressed everything one can possibly express on twitter (i.e.<br/>
>> within the confines of 140 characters). The argument included<br/>
>> time scales on the order of the current age of the universe,<br/>
>> and, I believe, only one language.<br/>
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>> Now, the human (or even animal) body (including brain) is<br/>
>> infinitely more complicated than 140 characters and in a<br/>
>> continual feedback loop with its surroundings that consists<br/>
>> itself of a mind-boggling number of (evolved) initial<br/>
>> conditions etc.. I would not find it surprising at all that<br/>
>> something like intelligence/mind/awareness would emerge.<br/>
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>> I'm not saying I understand it, but I don't find it surprising.<br/>
>> Incredibly complex systems can do (at least) one of two things:<br/>
>> they can be on a path that causes them to blow up eventually<br/>
>> (a lot of stars do that, I hear), or they settle into some kind<br/>
>> of interesting dynamic steady state. Not sure were humanity falls.<br/>
>> But then again the time scales are mind-boggling, too. Maybe it<br/>
>> all just blows up in the end, and sometimes something interesting<br/>
>> happens along (for part of) the way...<br/>
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>> Michael<br/>
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>>> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 10:52:11 -0700<br/>
>>> From: Richard Gauthier <richgauthier@gmail.com><br/>
>>> To: Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br/>
>>> <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org><br/>
>>> Subject: Re: [General] Verification of Light Interactions<br/>
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>>> Hello Chandra,<br/>
>>> Thank you for your detailed explanations. Whether or not the CTF (or<br/>
>>> the ether) is conscious is definitely an open question. We still need<br/>
>>> to know how mind and subjective experience arise in this physical<br/>
>>> universe, since that?s how we know about the physical universe. The old<br/>
>>> materialistic explanation that mind is an epiphenomenon of organized<br/>
>>> matter (?the brain secretes thought as the liver secretes bile.?) may<br/>
>>> satisfy some materialists (thinking themselves to be scientific). But<br/>
>>> this is not the only possible explanation of mind. Matter itself is yet<br/>
>>> to be fully understood. It?s unlikely to be composed of other matter<br/>
>>> ?all the way down?.<br/>
>>> Richard<br/>
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>>>> On Sep 7, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Roychoudhuri, Chandra</div>
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