<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14223"><span>John</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14224"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14225"><span>I like the introduction.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14134"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14133" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14132">Quantum, quantifying and quantizing. One minor clarification to avoid further confusion on some folks part might be to clearly (blatantly and explicitly note the difference. My guess is there has to be some order to these different words with a common root: quantify, quantum, then quantize might be useful. However, quantum is used to mean elementary particles as well as sub-elementary particle so clarifying assumptions are useful to set the context.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14133" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14133" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14516">QM assumes that particles are a point which may not be a reality. This may impact how one does the math especially when energy density, or in the case of relativity, momentum-energy.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14133" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14133" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_15428">Another minor point is a terminology mix. There are at least three major choices, all which can be mathematically equivalent. However, the quantum physicists prefer #3</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14133" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14133" dir="ltr"><span>1. Particles, fields and forces (Macken 2015)</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14133" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14133" dir="ltr"><span>2. Particles, fields and cross-interactions (Sarfatti 2015)</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14133" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14133" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_16227">3. Matter and fields (Sutherland 2015 per Quantum Workshop)</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_16330"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_16373">YMMV</div><div><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_16374">David</div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_13887"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_13886"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_13885"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_13931"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_16295"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14131"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> John Macken <john@macken.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> phys@a-giese.de; 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion' <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 11, 2015 2:51 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [General] research papers<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_13884"><br><div id="yiv6320154031"><style>#yiv6320154031 #yiv6320154031 --
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#yiv6320154031 </style><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_13883"><div class="yiv6320154031WordSection1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_13882"><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_13930"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Hello Albrecht and All,</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_13881"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_13889"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_13888">I have attached a one page addition that I will make to my book. It is a preliminary explanation of my model of the spacetime field. It has been very helpful to me to interact with this group because I now understand better the key stumbling block for some scientists to accept my thesis. Therefore I have written the attached introduction to ease the reader of my book into my model. </span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14424"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14426"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Albrecht:</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_14425"> I appreciate your email. We agree on several points which include the size of the electron and there is a similarity in the explanation of gravity. The key points of disagreement are the same as I have with the rest of the group. Your explanation of a fundamental particle is not really an explanation. You substitute a fundamental particle such as an electron with two “basic particles”. Have we made any progress or did we just double the problem? What is your basic particles made of? What is the physics behind the force of attraction between the particles? What is the physics behind an electric field? How does your model create de Broglie waves? How does your model create a gravitational field (curved spacetime)? Can you derive the Coulomb law and Newtonian gravitational equation from your model? </span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442021015553_16375"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">These might seem like unfair questions, but my model does all of these things. All it requires is the reader accept the fact that the vacuum possesses activity which can be characterized as a type of energy density that is not observable (no rest mass or momentum). This is no different that accepting that QED calculations should be believed when they assume vacuum energy or that zero point energy really exists. </span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Albrecht</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">, perhaps I have come on too strong, but I have decided to take a firmer stand. You just happen to be the first person that I contrast to my model. I am actually happy to discuss the scientific details in a less confrontational way. I just wanted to make an initial point.</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">John M. </span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv6320154031yqt5128871990" id="yiv6320154031yqt78075"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext;">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext;"> General [mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr. Albrecht Giese<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 11, 2015 9:52 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] research papers</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal">Dear John Macken,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I would like to answer a specific topic in your mail below. You write "... would have particular relevance to the concept that the Higgs field is needed to give inertia to fermions".<br clear="none"><br clear="none">We should not overlook that even mainstream physicists working on elementary particles admit that the Higgs theory is not able to explain inertia. I give you as a reference: <span style="font-size:12.0pt;"></span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:justify;"><span lang="EN-GB">>Steven D. Brass, The cosmological constant puzzle, Journal of Physics G, Nuclear and Particle Physics 38, 4(2011) 43201< ,</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">which has the result that the Higgs field, which causes inertia according to the theory, is by at least 56 orders of magnitude too small to explain the mass of the elementary particles. (Another weakness is the fact that the Higgs theory does not tell us the mass of any elementary particle even if all other parameters are known.)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">As you may remember, in our meeting I have presented a model explaining inertia which does not only work as a general idea but provides very precise results for the mass of leptons. The mass is classically deduced from the size of a particle. It also explains the mass of quarks, but here the verification is more difficult, due to the lack of measurements. In addition I have shown that the model also explains the (dynamic) mass of photons, if the size of a photon is related to its wavelength. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">You may find details in the proceedings of our San Diego meeting, but also on the following web sites:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.ag-physics.org/rmass">www.ag-physics.org/rmass</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.ag-physics.org/electron">www.ag-physics.org/electron</a> .<br clear="none"><br clear="none">You may also find the sites by Google search entering the string "origin of mass". You will find it on position 1 or 2 of the list, where it has constantly been during the past 12 years.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">If you have any questions about it, please ask me. I will be happy about any discussion.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">With best regards<br clear="none">Albrecht Giese<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Am 04.09.2015 um 18:40 schrieb John Macken:</span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Martin,</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">I wanted to remind you that I think that you should update your article “Light Is Heavy” to include the mathematical proof that confined light has exactly the same inertia as particles with equal energy. Accelerating a reflecting box causes different photon pressure which results in a net inertial force. I already reference your Light Is Heavy article in my book, but expanding the article would be even better. An expanded article would have particular relevance to the concept that the Higgs field is needed to give inertia to fermions. The Higgs field is not needed to give inertia to confined light. Furthermore, confined light exerts exactly the correct inertia and kinetic energy, even at relativistic conditions. I have not seen a proof that the Higgs field gives exactly the correct amount of inertia or kinetic energy to fermions. Any particle model that includes either a confined photon or confined waves in spacetime propagating at the speed of light gets inertia and kinetic energy from the same principles as confined light in a reflecting box.</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">John M. </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> General [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark, Martin van der<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 04, 2015 6:34 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [General] research papers</div></div></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Dear all,</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;">My recent (and old) work can be found on Researchgate:</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Van_der_Mark/publications">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Van_der_Mark/publications</a></span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;">In particular you will find the most recent work:</span></div><ul style="margin-top:0in;" type="disc"><li class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" style="color:#1F497D;margin-bottom:10.0pt;">On the nature of “stuff” and the hierarchy of forces</li><li class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" style="color:#1F497D;margin-bottom:10.0pt;">Quantum mechanical probability current as electromagnetic 4-current from topological EM fields</li></ul><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Very best regards,</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Martin</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;">Dr. Martin B. van der Mark</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Principal Scientist, Minimally Invasive Healthcare</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="color:navy;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Philips Research Europe - Eindhoven</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">High Tech Campus, Building 34 (WB2.025)</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Prof. Holstlaan 4</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">5656 AE Eindhoven, The Netherlands</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Tel: +31 40 2747548</span></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></div><div align="center" class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"></span><hr align="center" size="3" width="100%"></div><div class="yiv6320154031MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;">The information contained in this message may be confidential and legally protected under applicable law. 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