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    Hello John,<br>
    <br>
    great that you have looked so deeply into the model which I have
    presented. Thank you.<br>
    <br>
    There are some questions which I can answer quite easily. I think
    that this model in fact explains several points just in contrast to
    main stream physics. In standard physics the electron (just as an
    example) is a point-like object without any internal structure. So,
    how can a magnetic moment be explained? How can the spin be
    explained? How can the mass be explained? The position of main
    stream physics is: That cannot be explained but is subject to
    quantum mechanics. And the fact that it cannot be explained shows
    how necessary QM is.<br>
    <br>
    In contrast, if the electron is assumed to have a structure like in
    the model presented, these parameters can be explained in a
    classical way, and this explanation is not merely a qualitative one
    but has precise quantitative results.<br>
    <br>
    To  your questions in detail:<br>
    The fact of two basic particles is necessary to explain the fact of
    an oscillation and to fulfil the conservation of momentum. A single
    object (as point-like) cannot oscillate. The basic particles are
    composed of charges of the strong force. In this model the strong
    force is assumed to be the universal force in our world effective on
    all particles. A charge is a fundamental object in the scope of this
    model. There are two kinds of charges according to the two kinds of
    forces in our world, the strong one and the electric one. The weak
    force is in fact the strong force but has a smaller coupling
    constant caused by geometric circumstances. And gravity is not a
    force at all but a refraction process, which is so a side effect of
    the other forces. And, by the way, gravity is not curved spacetime.
    This is not necessary, and besides of this, Einstein's spacetime
    leads to logical conflicts.<br>
    <br>
    The forces (i.e. strong force) inside an elementary particle are
    configured in a way that at a certain distance there is a potential
    minimum and in this way the distance between the basic particles is
    enforced. So, this field has attracting and repulsive components.
    Outside the elementary particle the attracting forces dominate to
    make the particle a stable one. And those field parts outside have
    an opposite sign. Now, as the basic particles are orbiting each
    other, the outside field is an alternating field (of the strong
    forth). If this field propagates, it is builds a wave. This wave is
    described by the Schrödinger equation and fulfils the assumptions of
    de Broglie. <br>
    <br>
    With the assumption of two basic particles orbiting at c and subject
    to strong force, the parameters mass, magnetic moment, spin result
    from it numerically correctly without further assumptions.<br>
    <br>
    This model does not need any vacuum energy or virtual particles.
    Those are simply not necessary and they are anyway very speculative
    because not directly observable. And in the case of the vacuum
    energy of the universe we are confronted with the discrepancy of
    10^120 which you also mention in your paper attached to your mail.<br>
    <br>
    The Coulomb law can be easily explained by the assumption (standard
    at quantum mechanics) that a force is realized by exchange
    particles. The density of exchange particles and so the strength of
    the field diminishes by 1/r^2, which is simple geometry. <br>
    <br>
    So John, this is my position. Now I am curious about your objections
    of further questions.<br>
    <br>
    Best regards<br>
    Albrecht<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.09.2015 um 23:51 schrieb John
      Macken:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif;color:#20188C">Hello Albrecht and All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif;color:#20188C"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif;color:#20188C">I have attached a one page
            addition that I will make to my book. It is a preliminary
            explanation of my model of the spacetime field.  It has been
            very helpful to me to interact with this group because I now
            understand better the key stumbling block for some
            scientists to accept my thesis.  Therefore I have written
            the attached introduction to ease the reader of my book into
            my model.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif;color:#20188C"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif;color:#20188C">Albrecht:</span></b><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif;color:#20188C">  I appreciate your email. 
            We agree on several points which include the size of the
            electron and there is a similarity in the explanation of
            gravity.  The key points of disagreement are the same as I
            have with the rest of the group.  Your explanation of a
            fundamental particle is not really an explanation.  You
            substitute a fundamental particle such as an electron with
            two “basic particles”.  Have we made any progress or did we
            just double the problem?  What is your basic particles made
            of?  What is the physics behind the force of attraction
            between the particles? What is the physics behind an
            electric field? How does your model create de Broglie waves?
            How does your model create a gravitational field (curved
            spacetime)?  Can you derive the Coulomb law and Newtonian
            gravitational equation from your model?  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif;color:#20188C"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif;color:#20188C">These might seem like
            unfair questions, but my model does all of these things. All
            it requires is the reader accept the fact that the vacuum
            possesses activity which can be characterized as a type of
            energy density that is not observable (no rest mass or
            momentum).  This is no different that accepting that QED
            calculations should be believed when they assume vacuum
            energy or that zero point energy really exists.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif;color:#20188C"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif;color:#20188C">Albrecht</span></b><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif;color:#20188C">, perhaps I have come on
            too strong, but I have decided to take a firmer stand.  You
            just happen to be the first person that I contrast to my
            model.  I am actually happy to discuss the scientific
            details in a less confrontational way.  I just wanted to
            make an initial point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif;color:#20188C"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif;color:#20188C">John M. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif;color:#20188C"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                style="color:windowtext"> General
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr. Albrecht Giese<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 11, 2015 9:52 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] research papers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Dear John Macken,<br>
          <br>
          I would like to answer a specific topic in your mail below.
          You write "... would have particular relevance to the concept
          that the Higgs field is needed to give inertia to fermions".<br>
          <br>
          We should not overlook that even mainstream physicists working
          on elementary particles admit that the Higgs theory is not
          able to explain inertia.  I give you as a reference: <span
            style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:justify"><span
            lang="EN-GB">>Steven D. Brass, The cosmological constant
            puzzle, Journal of Physics G, Nuclear and Particle Physics
            38, 4(2011) 43201< ,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif">which has the result that the Higgs
            field, which causes inertia according to the theory, is by
            at least 56 orders of magnitude too small to explain the
            mass of the elementary particles. (Another weakness is the
            fact that the Higgs theory does not tell us the mass of any
            elementary particle even if all other parameters are known.)<br>
            <br>
            As you may remember, in our meeting I have presented a model
            explaining inertia which does not only work as a general
            idea but provides very precise results for the mass of
            leptons. The mass is classically deduced from the size of a
            particle.  It also explains the mass of quarks, but here the
            verification is more difficult, due to the lack of
            measurements. In addition I have shown that the model also
            explains the (dynamic) mass of photons, if the size of a
            photon is related to its wavelength. <br>
            <br>
            You may find details in the proceedings of our San Diego
            meeting, but also on the following web sites:<br>
            <br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://www.ag-physics.org/rmass">www.ag-physics.org/rmass</a><br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://www.ag-physics.org/electron">www.ag-physics.org/electron</a>
            .<br>
            <br>
            You may also find the sites by Google search entering the
            string "origin of mass". You will find it on position 1 or 2
            of the list, where it has constantly been during the past 12
            years.<br>
            <br>
            If you have any questions about it, please ask me. I will be
            happy about any discussion.<br>
            <br>
            With best regards<br>
            Albrecht Giese<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif">Am 04.09.2015 um 18:40 schrieb John
              Macken:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Martin,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I wanted
              to remind you that I think that you should update your
              article “Light Is Heavy” to include the mathematical proof
              that confined light has exactly the same inertia as
              particles with equal energy.  Accelerating a reflecting
              box causes different photon pressure which results in a
              net inertial force.  I already reference your Light Is
              Heavy article in my book, but expanding the article would
              be even better.  An expanded article would have particular
              relevance to the concept that the Higgs field is needed to
              give inertia to fermions. The Higgs field is not needed to
              give inertia to confined light.  Furthermore, confined
              light exerts exactly the correct inertia and kinetic
              energy, even at relativistic conditions.  I have not seen
              a proof that the Higgs field gives exactly the correct
              amount of inertia or kinetic energy to fermions.  Any
              particle model that includes either a confined photon or
              confined waves in spacetime propagating at the speed of
              light gets inertia and kinetic energy from the same
              principles as confined light in a reflecting box.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">John M. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> General [<a
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                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark, Martin van der<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 04, 2015 6:34 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
                Discussion <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [General] research papers<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt"><span
              style="color:#1F497D">Dear all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt"><span
              style="color:#1F497D">My recent (and old) work can be
              found on Researchgate:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt"><span
              style="color:#1F497D"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Van_der_Mark/publications">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Van_der_Mark/publications</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt"><span
              style="color:#1F497D">In particular you will find the most
              recent work:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="color:#1F497D;margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-list:l0
              level1 lfo3">On the nature of “stuff” and the hierarchy of
              forces<o:p></o:p></li>
            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="color:#1F497D;margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-list:l0
              level1 lfo3">Quantum mechanical probability current as
              electromagnetic 4-current from topological EM fields<o:p></o:p></li>
          </ul>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt"><span
              style="color:#1F497D">Very best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt"><span
              style="color:#1F497D">Martin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy"
              lang="DE">Dr. Martin B. van der Mark</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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