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    Thank you, Chandra, for the link.<br>
    <br>
    The author of that paper, Manor, assumes that the effect of
    relativistically increased mass means in reality a change in
    gravity. But what about situations where gravity is not essential?<br>
    <br>
    At the DESY accelerator in Hamburg electrons have been accelerated
    so that e.g. its relativistic mass reaches 900 MeV, so about the
    rest mass of the proton. If now the electron collides with a proton,
    the mechanical reaction is so as if two objects of similar mass
    collide. This is generally taken as an indication that the mass of
    the electron is in fact increased. - This situation is not
    measurably influenced by gravity.<br>
    <br>
    Regarding Special Relativity: You mean that the time dilation is an
    "at hoc" assumption? The dilation is <br>
    -  easily visible; one can move a clock forth and back and compare
    it later to another clock which was at rest all the time. The clock
    in motion is then retarded. This fact is used (and so also proven)
    at the operation of GPS satellites.<br>
    -  there are a lot of indications that in elementary particles there
    is a permanent motion at c (speed of light), "zitterbewegung". This
    is a simple physical reason for dilation. It does not even need a
    relativity principle.<br>
    <br>
    Sincerely<br>
    Albrecht<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.09.2015 um 18:24 schrieb
      Roychoudhuri, Chandra:<br>
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href="http://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=59224&utm_campaign=papersubmission&utm_source=e_cp&utm_medium=nl_physics_20150911_huangytb"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=59224&utm_campaign=papersubmission&utm_source=e_cp&utm_medium=nl_physics_20150911_huangytb">http://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=59224&utm_campaign=papersubmission&utm_source=e_cp&utm_medium=nl_physics_20150911_huangytb</a></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello
            Everybody: Here is an interesting paper, “Gravity, Not Mass
            Increases with Velocity”, worth reading and re-interpreting
            in the context of my proposal, space as a stationary Complex
            Tension Field (CTF). Perpetually propagating EM waves are
            linear excitations. Inertial particles are non-linear
            excitations of the same CTF that are localized self-looped
            oscillations. [Thus, M-M experiments cannot refute the
            existence of the CTF concept.] These self-looped
            oscillations experience velocity-dependent inertial
            resistance even in the absence of any other force fields.
            Fluid mechanics supports this concept. We do not need
            gravity on any other force to increase for higher velocity
            particles. The inertial resistance of the particles
            (self-looped oscillation) increases as it tries to move with
            higher and higher velocity through the CTF. This is a much
            better
            <b><i>physical model</i></b> than the ad hoc Special
            Relativistic mass increase, time dilation and space
            contraction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I am
            enjoying Spain (Barcelona and Valencia) giving workshop
            lectures on the Non-Interaction of Waves while celebrating
            “2015- International Year of Light”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Chandra.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                General
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Richard Gauthier<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2015 1:03 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:phys@a-giese.de">phys@a-giese.de</a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
                Discussion<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] research papers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Hello Albrecht,<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">   Yes, all of our electron models here
            have a radius related to the Compton wavelength. Dirac’s
            zitterbewegung amplitude is 1/2 of the reduced Compton
            wavelength, or hbar/2mc , which is the radius of the generic
            circulating charged photon’s trajectory in my circulating
            spin 1/2 charged photon model for a resting electron. That
            radius decreases by a factor of gamma^2 in a moving
            electron. Does yours? Incorporating a more detailed spin 1/2
            charged photon model with the generic model could bring the
            model's radius up to the reduced Compton wavelength hbar/mc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">    all the best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">         Richard<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 22, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Dr.
                Albrecht Giese <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
                  Richard,<br>
                  <br>
                  thank you for this reference to the article of Frank
                  Wilczek. <br>
                  <br>
                  He has a quantum mechanical argument to determine a
                  size for the electron. It is the application of the
                  uncertainty relation to the magnetic moment of the
                  electron. The result is as you write: 2.4 x 10^-12 m,
                  which is the Compton wavelength of the electron.<br>
                  This is a bit similar to the way as Erwin Schrödinger
                  has determined the size of the electron using the
                  Dirac function in 1930. There Schrödinger determined
                  the "amplitude of the zitterbewegung" also applying
                  the uncertainty relation to the rest energy of the
                  electron. It was "roughly" 10^-13 m, which also meant
                  in his words the Compton wavelength of the electron.
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  In my electron model its radius is 3.86 x 10^-13 m,
                  which is exactly the "reduced" Compton wavelength. But
                  here it is not an expectation value as in the cases of
                  Wilczek and Schrödinger but the exact radius of the
                  orbits of the basic particles.<br>
                  <br>
                  Thank you again and best wishes<br>
                  Albrecht<br>
                  <br>
                  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Am 21.09.2015 um 05:01 schrieb
                    Richard Gauthier:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">This 2013 Nature comment “The
                      enigmatic electron” by Frank Wilczek at <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com">http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com</a></a> is

                      worth a look. He states that due to QM effects,
                      the size of the electron is about 2.4 x 10^-12 m,
                      which is roughly in the range of some of our
                      electron models.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">      Richard<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 16, 2015, at 12:59
                          PM, Wolfgang Baer <<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com">wolf@nascentinc.com</a></a>>
                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";background:white">I
                            should add you sent me Main-2014.pdf and
                            that may be the one not available on the web
                            sight.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><br>
                            <span style="background:white">I was looking
                              for a similar one that included the other
                              topics as well.</span><br>
                            <span style="background:white">If you do not
                              have it, its OK, I just like reading from
                              paper.</span><br>
                            <br>
                            <span style="background:white">best wishes,</span><br>
                            <br>
                            <span style="background:white">Wolf</span><br>
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                          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <pre style="background:white">Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <pre style="background:white">Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <pre style="background:white">Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <pre style="background:white">tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <pre style="background:white">E-mail <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com"><span style="color:purple">wolf@NascentInc.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">On
                              9/14/2015 12:45 PM, Dr. Albrecht Giese
                              wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">John,<br>
                              <br>
                              You wrote a long text, so I will enter my
                              answers within your text.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Am
                                14.09.2015 um 02:54 schrieb John Macken:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <blockquote
                            style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hello
                                  David and Albrecht,</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It
                                  was through the contact with this
                                  group that I was finally able to
                                  understand the disconnect that existed
                                  between my idea of vacuum energy and
                                  the picture that others were obtaining
                                  from my use of the term “energy”.  
                                  Many of the mysteries of quantum
                                  mechanics and general relativity can
                                  be traced to the fact that fields
                                  exist and yet we do not have a clear
                                  idea of what they are.  My answer is
                                  that we live within a sea of vacuum
                                  activity which is the physical basis
                                  of the mysterious fields. I combine
                                  all fields into a single “spacetime
                                  field” which is the basis of all
                                  particles, fields and forces.<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><b><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">David</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">, you
                                  asked about the words<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span>quantum,
                                  quantifying and quantizing. I did a
                                  word search and I did not use the word
                                  “quantizing” in either the email or
                                  the attachment to my last post. 
                                  However, the paper<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Energetic
                                    Spacetime: The New Aether</i><span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span>submitted

                                  to SPIE as part of the conference
                                  presentation, used and defines the
                                  word “quantization”. This paper was
                                  attached to previous posts, and is
                                  available at my website: <span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://onlyspacetime.com/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://onlyspacetime.com/">http://onlyspacetime.com/</a></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><b><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Albrecht</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">:  I can
                                  combine my answer to you with the
                                  clarification for David of the word
                                  “quantify” and its derivatives.  I
                                  claim that my model of the universe
                                  “quantifies” particles and fields.  I
                                  will start my explanation of this
                                  concept by giving examples of models
                                  which do not “quantify” particles and
                                  fields.  There have been numerous
                                  particle models from this group and
                                  others which show an electron model as
                                  two balls orbiting around a center of
                                  mass.  Most of the group identifies
                                  these balls as photons but Albrecht
                                  names the two balls “charges of the
                                  strong force”.  Both photons and
                                  charges of strong force are just
                                  words. To be quantifiable, it is
                                  necessary to describe the model of the
                                  universe which gives the strong force
                                  or the electromagnetic force.  What
                                  exactly are these? How much energy and
                                  energy density does one charge of
                                  strong force have? Can a photon occupy
                                  a volume smaller than a reduced
                                  Compton wavelength in radius? Does a
                                  muon have the same basic strong force
                                  charge but just rotate faster? Are the
                                  charges of strong force or photons
                                  made of any other more basic
                                  component?</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                          </blockquote>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><br>
                              Regarding charge: This is a basic entity
                              in my model. At some point a physical
                              theory has to start. My model starts with
                              the assumption that a charge is an
                              "atomic" entity, so possibly point-like,
                              which emits exchange particles (in this
                              point I follow the general understanding
                              of QM). There are two types of charges:
                              the electric ones which we are very
                              familiar with, having two signs, and the
                              strong ones, which are not so obvious in
                              everyday physics; they also have two
                              signs. In the physical nature we find the
                              charges of the strong force only in
                              configurations made of those different
                              signs, never isolated. This is in contrast
                              to the electric charges.<span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                              <br>
                              The basic particles are composed of a
                              collection of charges of the strong force
                              so that both basic particles are bound to
                              each other in a way that they keep a
                              certain distance. This distance
                              characterizes an elementary particle. In
                              several (or most) cases there is
                              additionally an electric charge in the
                              basic particle.<br>
                              <br>
                              The two parameters I have to set - or to
                              find - are the shape of the strong field
                              in the elementary particle. Here I have
                              defined an equation describing a minimum
                              multi-pole field to make the elementary
                              particle stable. The other setting is the
                              strength of this field. This strength can
                              be found e.g. using the electron because
                              the electron is well known and precisely
                              measured. This field is then applicable
                              for all leptons as well as for all quarks.
                              It is also applicable for the photon with
                              the restriction that there may be a
                              correction factor caused by the fact that
                              the photon is not fundamental in the sense
                              of this model but composed of (maybe) two
                              other particles.<span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                              <br>
                              The size of the photon is (at least
                              roughly) described by its wavelength. This
                              follows from the mass formula resulting
                              from my model, as with this assumption the
                              (dynamic) mass of the photon is the
                              correct result.<br>
                              <br>
                              As I wrote, the results of this model are
                              very precise, the prove is in practice
                              only limited by limitations of the
                              measurement processes.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
                                could go on with more questions until it
                                is possible to calculate the properties
                                of an electron from the answers.  So far
                                both models lack any quantifiable
                                details except perhaps a connection to
                                the particle’s Compton frequency.  I am
                                not demanding anything more than I have
                                already done.  For example, I cannot
                                calculate the electron’s Compton
                                frequency or the fine structure
                                constant.  However, once I install these
                                into the model that I create, and
                                combine this with the properties of the
                                spacetime field, then I get an
                                electron.  Installing a muon’s Compton
                                frequency generates a muon with the
                                correct electric field, electrostatic
                                force, curvature of spacetime,
                                gravitational force and de Broglie
                                waves.  I am able to quantify the
                                distortion of spacetime produced by a
                                charged particle, an electric field and
                                a photon.  I am able to test these
                                models and show that they generate both
                                the correct energy density and generate
                                a black hole when we reach the
                                distortion limits of the spacetime
                                field.<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">In
                              my model the Compton frequency of the
                              electron (and of the other leptons)
                              follows directly from the size of the
                              particle and the fact that the basic
                              particle move with c. The fine structure
                              constant tells us the relation of the
                              electric force to the strong force. This
                              explanation follows very directly from
                              this model, however was also found by
                              other theorists using algebra of particle
                              physics.<br>
                              <br>
                              Another result of the model is that
                              Planck's constant - multiplied by c - is
                              the field constant of the strong force.
                              Also this is the result of other models
                              (however not of mainstream physics).<br>
                              <br>
                              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">My
                                model starts with a quantifiable
                                description of the properties of
                                spacetime.  The spacetime model has a
                                specific impedance which describes the
                                properties of waves that can exist in
                                spacetime. Then the amplitude and
                                frequency of the waves in spacetime is
                                quantified.  This combination allows the
                                energy density of spacetime to be
                                calculated and this agrees with the
                                energy density of zero point energy. The
                                particle models are then defined as ½<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>ħ<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>units
                                of quantized angular momentum existing
                                in the spacetime field.  This model is
                                quantifiable as to size, structure,
                                energy, etc.  Also the fact that the
                                rate of time and proper volume is being
                                modulated, it is possible to calculate
                                the effect that such a structure would
                                have on the surrounding volume of
                                spacetime.  It is possible to calculate
                                the effect if the spacetime-based
                                particle model would have if the
                                coupling constant was equal to 1 (Planck
                                charge), To get charge<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>e</i>,
                                it is necessary to manually install the
                                fine structure constant. <span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">How
                              do you get the value<span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">½<span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span>ħ</span><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">for

                              the angular momentum? What is the
                              calculation behind it? - I understand that
                              in your model the electric charge is a
                              parameter deduced from other facts. Which
                              ones? From alpha? How do you then get
                              alpha?<br>
                              <br>
                              I personally have in so far a problem with
                              all considerations using spacetime as I
                              have quite thoroughly investigated how
                              Einstein came to the idea of this
                              4-dimentional construct. His main
                              motivation was that he wanted in any case
                              to avoid an ether. And in his discussions
                              with Ernst Mach he had to realize that he
                              was running into a lot of problems with
                              this assumption. He could solve these
                              problems in general by his "curved
                              spacetime". But this concept still causes
                              logical conflicts which are eagerly
                              neglected by the followers of Einstein's
                              relativity (and which do not exist in the
                              Lorentzian way of relativity).
                              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The
                                quantifiable properties of spacetime
                                imply that there should be boundary
                                conditions which imply that the waves in
                                spacetime should be nonlinear.  When the
                                nonlinear component is calculated and
                                treated as separate waves, the
                                characteristics of the particle’s
                                gravitational field are obtained
                                (correct:  curvature, effect on the rate
                                of time, force and energy density).</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">In
                                my last post I have given an answer
                                about the factor of 10<sup>120</sup><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>difference
                                between the observable energy density of
                                the universe and the non-observable
                                energy of the universe.  This
                                non-observable energy density is
                                absolutely necessary for QED
                                calculations, zero point energy, the
                                uncertainty principle, Lamb shift,
                                spontaneous emission and quantum
                                mechanics in general. This
                                non-observable energy density is
                                responsible for the tremendously large
                                impedance of spacetime c<sup>3</sup>/G.
                                Since I can also show how this
                                non-observable energy density is
                                obtainable from gravitational wave
                                equations, it is necessary for<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>you</b><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>to

                                show how all these effects can be
                                achieved without spacetime being a
                                single field with this non-observable
                                energy density.  In fact, the name
                                non-observable only applied to direct
                                observation. The indirect evidence is
                                everywhere.  It forms the basis of the
                                universe and therefore is the
                                “background noise” of the universe.  For
                                this reason it is not directly
                                observable because we can only detect
                                differences in energy.  The constants<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>c,</i><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>G</i>,<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>ħ</i><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>ε<sub>o</sub></i><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>testify

                                that spacetime is not an empty void. <span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Up
                              to now I did not find any necessity for
                              zero-point energy. And I find it a
                              dangerous way to assume physical facts
                              which cannot be observed. The greatest
                              argument in favour of this energy is its
                              use in Feynman diagrams. But is there
                              really no other way? I have a lecture of
                              Feynman here where he states that his
                              formalism has good results. But that he
                              has no physical understanding why it is
                              successful. In my understanding of the
                              development of physics this is a weak
                              point.<br>
                              <br>
                              The discrepancy of 10^120 between assumed
                              and observed energy is taken as a great
                              and unresolved problem by present main
                              stream physics. Those representatives
                              would have all reason to find a solution
                              to keep present QM clean. But they are not
                              able to. This causes me some concern.<br>
                              <br>
                              The constants you have listed: c is the
                              speed of light what ever the reason for it
                              is. (I have a model, but it is a bit
                              speculative.) But it has nothing to do
                              with energy. G is the gravitational
                              constant which is as little understood as
                              gravity itself. Planck's constant I have
                              explained, it is (with c) the field
                              constant of the strong force (any force
                              has to be described by a field constant);
                              and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">ε<sub>o</sub></span></i><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">is

                              the field constant of the electric force
                              with a similar background.<br>
                              <br>
                              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">If
                                spacetime was an empty void, why should
                                particles have a speed limit of<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>c</i>?
                                For a thought experiment, suppose that
                                two spaceships leave earth going
                                opposite directions and accelerate until
                                they reach a speed of 0.75<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>c</i><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>relative
                                to the earth.  The earth bound observer
                                sees them separating at 1.5<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>c</i><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>but
                                the rules of relativistic addition of
                                velocity has a spaceship observer seeing
                                the other spaceship moving away at only
                                0.96<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>c</i>. 

                                How is this possible if spacetime is an
                                empty void.  My model of the universe
                                answers this because all particles,
                                fields and forces are also made of the
                                spacetime field and they combine to
                                achieve Lorentz transformations which
                                affects ruler length and clocks.  None
                                of this can happen unless spacetime is
                                filled with dipole waves in spacetime
                                and everything is made of the single
                                component.  The universe is only
                                spacetime.<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">If
                              two spaceships move at 0.75 c in opposite
                              direction, the observer at rest may add
                              these speeds and may get 1.5 c as a
                              result. Why not? If an observer in one of
                              the spaceships measures the relative speed
                              of the other spaceship, the result will be
                              less then c (as you write it). The reason
                              is the well known fact that the
                              measurement tools accessible for the
                              observer in the ship are changed and run
                              differently at this high speed. The reason
                              for these changes is for time dilation the
                              internal speed c in elementary particles.
                              For contraction it is the contraction of
                              fields at motion which is a fact
                              independent of relativity (and which was
                              already known before Einstein). In
                              addition when the speed of another object
                              is to be measured several clocks are to be
                              used positioned along the measurement
                              section. These clocks are de-synchronized
                              in relation to the clocks of the observer
                              at rest. These phenomena together cause
                              the measurement result < c. You find
                              these considerations in papers and books
                              about the Lorentzian interpretation of
                              relativity. So, following Lorentz, there
                              is no reason to assume Einstein's
                              spacetime.</span><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"><span
                                style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><br>
                              <br>
                            </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">John
                                M.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Perhaps
                              I should read your book. But that chould
                              take a lot of time, I am afraid.<br>
                              <br>
                              Albrecht<br>
                              <br>
                              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Dr.

                                    Albrecht Giese [<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><span
                                        style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">mailto:genmail@a-giese.de</a></span></a>]<span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                    <b>Sent:</b><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
                                    September 13, 2015 1:43 PM<br>
                                    <b>To:</b><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span>John
                                    Macken<span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:john@macken.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:john@macken.com"><john@macken.com></a></a>;
                                    'Nature of Light and Particles -
                                    General Discussion'<span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a></a><br>
                                    <b>Subject:</b><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                    [General] research papers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hello
                              John,<br>
                              <br>
                              great that you have looked so deeply into
                              the model which I have presented. Thank
                              you.<br>
                              <br>
                              There are some questions which I can
                              answer quite easily. I think that this
                              model in fact explains several points just
                              in contrast to main stream physics. In
                              standard physics the electron (just as an
                              example) is a point-like object without
                              any internal structure. So, how can a
                              magnetic moment be explained? How can the
                              spin be explained? How can the mass be
                              explained? The position of main stream
                              physics is: That cannot be explained but
                              is subject to quantum mechanics. And the
                              fact that it cannot be explained shows how
                              necessary QM is.<br>
                              <br>
                              In contrast, if the electron is assumed to
                              have a structure like in the model
                              presented, these parameters can be
                              explained in a classical way, and this
                              explanation is not merely a qualitative
                              one but has precise quantitative results.<br>
                              <br>
                              To  your questions in detail:<br>
                              The fact of two basic particles is
                              necessary to explain the fact of an
                              oscillation and to fulfil the conservation
                              of momentum. A single object (as
                              point-like) cannot oscillate. The basic
                              particles are composed of charges of the
                              strong force. In this model the strong
                              force is assumed to be the universal force
                              in our world effective on all particles. A
                              charge is a fundamental object in the
                              scope of this model. There are two kinds
                              of charges according to the two kinds of
                              forces in our world, the strong one and
                              the electric one. The weak force is in
                              fact the strong force but has a smaller
                              coupling constant caused by geometric
                              circumstances. And gravity is not a force
                              at all but a refraction process, which is
                              so a side effect of the other forces. And,
                              by the way, gravity is not curved
                              spacetime. This is not necessary, and
                              besides of this, Einstein's spacetime
                              leads to logical conflicts.<br>
                              <br>
                              The forces (i.e. strong force) inside an
                              elementary particle are configured in a
                              way that at a certain distance there is a
                              potential minimum and in this way the
                              distance between the basic particles is
                              enforced. So, this field has attracting
                              and repulsive components. Outside the
                              elementary particle the attracting forces
                              dominate to make the particle a stable
                              one. And those field parts outside have an
                              opposite sign. Now, as the basic particles
                              are orbiting each other, the outside field
                              is an alternating field (of the strong
                              forth). If this field propagates, it is
                              builds a wave. This wave is described by
                              the Schrödinger equation and fulfils the
                              assumptions of de Broglie.<span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                              <br>
                              With the assumption of two basic particles
                              orbiting at c and subject to strong force,
                              the parameters mass, magnetic moment, spin
                              result from it numerically correctly
                              without further assumptions.<br>
                              <br>
                              This model does not need any vacuum energy
                              or virtual particles. Those are simply not
                              necessary and they are anyway very
                              speculative because not directly
                              observable. And in the case of the vacuum
                              energy of the universe we are confronted
                              with the discrepancy of 10^120 which you
                              also mention in your paper attached to
                              your mail.<br>
                              <br>
                              The Coulomb law can be easily explained by
                              the assumption (standard at quantum
                              mechanics) that a force is realized by
                              exchange particles. The density of
                              exchange particles and so the strength of
                              the field diminishes by 1/r^2, which is
                              simple geometry.<span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                              <br>
                              So John, this is my position. Now I am
                              curious about your objections of further
                              questions.<br>
                              <br>
                              Best regards<br>
                              Albrecht<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Am
                                  11.09.2015 um 23:51 schrieb John
                                  Macken:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hello
                                  Albrecht and All,</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
                                  have attached a one page addition that
                                  I will make to my book. It is a
                                  preliminary explanation of my model of
                                  the spacetime field.  It has been very
                                  helpful to me to interact with this
                                  group because I now understand better
                                  the key stumbling block for some
                                  scientists to accept my thesis. 
                                  Therefore I have written the attached
                                  introduction to ease the reader of my
                                  book into my model. <span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><b><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Albrecht:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span>I
                                  appreciate your email.  We agree on
                                  several points which include the size
                                  of the electron and there is a
                                  similarity in the explanation of
                                  gravity.  The key points of
                                  disagreement are the same as I have
                                  with the rest of the group.  Your
                                  explanation of a fundamental particle
                                  is not really an explanation.  You
                                  substitute a fundamental particle such
                                  as an electron with two “basic
                                  particles”.  Have we made any progress
                                  or did we just double the problem? 
                                  What is your basic particles made of? 
                                  What is the physics behind the force
                                  of attraction between the particles?
                                  What is the physics behind an electric
                                  field? How does your model create de
                                  Broglie waves? How does your model
                                  create a gravitational field (curved
                                  spacetime)?  Can you derive the
                                  Coulomb law and Newtonian
                                  gravitational equation from your
                                  model? <span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">These
                                  might seem like unfair questions, but
                                  my model does all of these things. All
                                  it requires is the reader accept the
                                  fact that the vacuum possesses
                                  activity which can be characterized as
                                  a type of energy density that is not
                                  observable (no rest mass or
                                  momentum).  This is no different that
                                  accepting that QED calculations should
                                  be believed when they assume vacuum
                                  energy or that zero point energy
                                  really exists. <span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><b><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Albrecht</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">, perhaps
                                  I have come on too strong, but I have
                                  decided to take a firmer stand.  You
                                  just happen to be the first person
                                  that I contrast to my model.  I am
                                  actually happy to discuss the
                                  scientific details in a less
                                  confrontational way.  I just wanted to
                                  make an initial point.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">John
                                  M.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">General

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                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                                        Behalf Of<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dr.
                                      Albrecht Giese<br>
                                      <b>Sent:</b><span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
                                      September 11, 2015 9:52 AM<br>
                                      <b>To:</b><span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                                      <b>Subject:</b><span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                      [General] research papers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Dear
                                  John Macken,<br>
                                  <br>
                                  I would like to answer a specific
                                  topic in your mail below. You write
                                  "... would have particular relevance
                                  to the concept that the Higgs field is
                                  needed to give inertia to fermions".<br>
                                  <br>
                                  We should not overlook that even
                                  mainstream physicists working on
                                  elementary particles admit that the
                                  Higgs theory is not able to explain
                                  inertia.  I give you as a reference:<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-bottom:3.0pt;text-align:justify;background:white">
                              <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
                                lang="EN-GB">>Steven D. Brass, The
                                cosmological constant puzzle, Journal of
                                Physics G, Nuclear and Particle Physics
                                38, 4(2011) 43201< ,</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">which has
                                the result that the Higgs field, which
                                causes inertia according to the theory,
                                is by at least 56 orders of magnitude
                                too small to explain the mass of the
                                elementary particles. (Another weakness
                                is the fact that the Higgs theory does
                                not tell us the mass of any elementary
                                particle even if all other parameters
                                are known.)<br>
                                <br>
                                As you may remember, in our meeting I
                                have presented a model explaining
                                inertia which does not only work as a
                                general idea but provides very precise
                                results for the mass of leptons. The
                                mass is classically deduced from the
                                size of a particle.  It also explains
                                the mass of quarks, but here the
                                verification is more difficult, due to
                                the lack of measurements. In addition I
                                have shown that the model also explains
                                the (dynamic) mass of photons, if the
                                size of a photon is related to its
                                wavelength.<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                <br>
                                You may find details in the proceedings
                                of our San Diego meeting, but also on
                                the following web sites:<br>
                                <br>
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.ag-physics.org/rmass"><span
                                    style="color:purple">www.ag-physics.org/rmass</span></a><br>
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.ag-physics.org/electron"><span
                                    style="color:purple">www.ag-physics.org/electron</span></a><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>.<br>
                                <br>
                                You may also find the sites by Google
                                search entering the string "origin of
                                mass". You will find it on position 1 or
                                2 of the list, where it has constantly
                                been during the past 12 years.<br>
                                <br>
                                If you have any questions about it,
                                please ask me. I will be happy about any
                                discussion.<br>
                                <br>
                                With best regards<br>
                                Albrecht Giese<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                              </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Am
                                    04.09.2015 um 18:40 schrieb John
                                    Macken:</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Martin,</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
                                    wanted to remind you that I think
                                    that you should update your article
                                    “Light Is Heavy” to include the
                                    mathematical proof that confined
                                    light has exactly the same inertia
                                    as particles with equal energy. 
                                    Accelerating a reflecting box causes
                                    different photon pressure which
                                    results in a net inertial force.  I
                                    already reference your Light Is
                                    Heavy article in my book, but
                                    expanding the article would be even
                                    better.  An expanded article would
                                    have particular relevance to the
                                    concept that the Higgs field is
                                    needed to give inertia to fermions.
                                    The Higgs field is not needed to
                                    give inertia to confined light. 
                                    Furthermore, confined light exerts
                                    exactly the correct inertia and
                                    kinetic energy, even at relativistic
                                    conditions.  I have not seen a proof
                                    that the Higgs field gives exactly
                                    the correct amount of inertia or
                                    kinetic energy to fermions.  Any
                                    particle model that includes either
                                    a confined photon or confined waves
                                    in spacetime propagating at the
                                    speed of light gets inertia and
                                    kinetic energy from the same
                                    principles as confined light in a
                                    reflecting box.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">John
                                    M.<span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">General

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href="mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><span
                                            style="color:purple">mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a>]<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                                          Behalf Of<span
                                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mark,
                                        Martin van der<br>
                                        <b>Sent:</b><span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
                                        September 04, 2015 6:34 AM<br>
                                        <b>To:</b><span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature
                                        of Light and Particles - General
                                        Discussion<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                                        <b>Subject:</b><span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[General]
                                        research papers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Dear
                                  all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">My
                                  recent (and old) work can be found on
                                  Researchgate:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Van_der_Mark/publications"><span
                                      style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Van_der_Mark/publications">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Van_der_Mark/publications</a></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">In
                                  particular you will find the most
                                  recent work:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              <ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="color:#1F497D;margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-list:l0
                                  level1 lfo1;background:white">
                                  <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On
                                    the nature of “stuff” and the
                                    hierarchy of forces<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="color:#1F497D;margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-list:l0
                                  level1 lfo1;background:white">
                                  <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Quantum
                                    mechanical probability current as
                                    electromagnetic 4-current from
                                    topological EM fields<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                              </ul>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Very
                                  best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
                                    lang="DE">Dr. Martin B. van der Mark</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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