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    Richard,<br>
    <br>
    you have asked some questions about my electron model and I am glad
    to answer them.<br>
    <br>
    Does my model explain the relativistic mass increase of the electron
    at motion? Yes it does. According to my model the mass of an
    electron is   m=h(bar) / (R<sub>el</sub>*c), where R<sub>el</sub> 
    is the radius for the electron (which is equally valid for all
    elementary particles). Now, as the binding field in the electron
    contracts at motion by gamma (as initially found by Heaviside in
    1888), also the size of the electron contracts at motion by gamma.
    So the mass of the electron increases by gamma and also of course
    its dynamical energy. - That is very simple and elementary.  The
    same considerations apply for the relativistic momentum of the
    electron.<br>
    <br>
    (This is all described in my web site <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ag-physics.org/rmass">www.ag-physics.org/rmass</a> ; you
    can also find it via Google by the search string "origin of mass".
    There it is within the first two positions of the list, where the
    other one is of Frank Wilczek; since 10 years we both are struggling
    to be the number one.)<br>
    <br>
    However, the contraction only occurs in the direction of motion. So
    the cross section of the electron is not changed by the motion. And
    in so far this contraction is not able to explain the small size of
    the electron found in scattering experiments. - Another point is
    that this small size was also found in scattering experiments at
    energies smaller than 29 GeV. And, another determination, in the
    Penning trap the size of the electron turns out to be < 10^-22 m.<br>
    <br>
    So there must be something in the electron which is much smaller
    than the Compton wavelength. The model of two orbiting sub-particles
    is an extremely simple model which also explains a lot else.<br>
    <br>
    Regarding the uncertainty relation of Heisenberg, I have a very
    "technical" understanding of it as I have explained it in our
    meeting. There is nothing imprecise within the electron itself, only
    the measurement has limited precision. The reason is simple.
    Normally an interaction of the electron is an interaction of its de
    Broglie wave with another object. This wave is a wave packet, the
    size of which is round about given by the size of the
    electron-configuration (Compton wavelength); the size of a wave
    packet is not very precisely defined. And on the other hand, the
    frequency of a limited packet is not precisely measurable. The
    relation of both limitations is well known by electric engineers,
    the rule is sometimes called "Nyquist theorem". Now, as the
    frequency is related to the energy of the particle, the Nyquist
    theorem is identical with Heisenberg's uncertainty relation; only
    the interpretation of quantum theorists is less technical. They
    assume that the physical situation itself is imprecise, not only the
    measurement. Here I do not follow the QM interpretation.<br>
    <br>
    Albrecht<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.09.2015 um 19:57 schrieb Richard
      Gauthier:<br>
    </div>
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      <div class="">Albrecht, Al, Martin et al</div>
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      <div class="">   One solution that I think John W, Martin, Chip (I
        think), Vivian (as I remember) and I all agree on (I’m not sure
        about John M’s electron model) with our electron models is that
        the electron (as a circulating light-speed entity) decreases in
        size with increasing speed of the electron. Just as a photon’s
        wavelength (and presumably also its transverse size or extent)
        decreases proportionally as 1/E with a photon’s energy E=hf, a
        high energy relativistic electron (whose de Broglie wavelength
        is nearly equal to the wavelength of a high energy photon having
        the same total energy as the high energy electron) should also
        decrease its lateral size similarly with its energy. The lateral
        size of an electron decreases as 1/gamma according to John and
        Martin due to energy considerations. In my model the radius of
        the charged photon’s helical trajectory decreases as 1/gamma^2
        but with a more detailed extended (internally superluminal)
        model of the charged photon also decreases as 1/gamma . A
        1/gamma decrease is enough to match the high energy (around
        29GeV) scattering size of an electron found to be < 10^-18
        meters even though the size of the resting electron (on the
        order of the Compton wavelength) is around 10^-12 - 10^-13 m. So
        this I think is a solved problem with respect to our models.</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">    I don’t know if Albrecht’s electron model
        decreases as 1/gamma with increasing electron speed. I think
        not. But Albrecht’s model doesn’t I think take into account that
        the electron’s total energy increases proportionally with gamma
        and so the frequency of the 2 circulating mass-less particles
        should also increase proportionally with gamma if the energy of
        his model is to correspond to the experimentally measured moving
        electron’s energy E= gamma mc^2 . That should require the radius
        of the 2-particle orbit to decrease with his electron model’s
        speed if the 2 orbiting particles are to continue to circulate
        at light-speed. So Albrecht's model’s size should also decrease
        at least as 1/gamma with its speed,and the need for the 2
        massless particles in his model is unnecessary to explain the
        small size of the electron at high speeds.  As far as
        conservation of momentum requiring 2 circulating particles, John
        W.’s model proposes to solve this with his p-vot which causes
        the photon to curve into a double loop and produce the
        electron’s rest mass (as I understand it) and charge. But also
        the delta x delta p > hbar/2 requirement of Heisenberg’s
        uncertainty principle for detectable variability in position and
        velocity means that probably for any Compton wavelength electron
        model the amount of violation of conservation of momentum of a
        single light-speed photon-like object looping around would not
        be experimentally detectable (and so allowed since it is not
        experimentally detected) as being (like a virtual particle in
        QED) under the wire of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.</div>
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      <div class="">    Richard</div>
      <br class="">
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          <div class="">On Sep 26, 2015, at 8:57 AM, John Duffield <<a
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            wrote:</div>
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                  sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Albrecht:<o:p
                    class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                  style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                  sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">In case
                  Martin is tied up, here’s his 1997 paper:<span
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                    style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                    class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cybsoc.org/electron.pdf">http://www.cybsoc.org/electron.pdf</a></a><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>co-authored
                  with John Williamson.<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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              <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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                  style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                  sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">As
                  regards electron size, it’s field is what it is. In<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                    href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital#Electron_properties"
                    style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                    class="">atomic orbitals</a><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>electrons
                  “exist as standing waves”. Standing wave, standing
                  field. We can diffract electrons. I think the electron
                  has size like a seismic wave has size. A seismic wave
                  might have an amplitude of 1 metre, and a wavelength
                  of a kilometre. But when it travels from A to B it
                  isn’t just the houses on top of the AB line that
                  shake. Houses shake a hundred miles away. And that
                  seismic wave is still detectable on the other side f
                  the Earth. It’s not totally different for an ocean
                  wave, see<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Deep_water_wave.gif"
                    style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                    class="">this gif</a>. The amplitude might be 1m,
                  but that isn’t the size of the wave, nor is the
                  wavelength. The red test particles are still
                  circulating deep below the water.<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                  sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></div>
              <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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                  style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                  sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Try to
                  imagine a wave going round and round, in a  double
                  loop, then make it a tighter loop. Then have a look at<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                    href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_knot_theory"
                    style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                    class="">some knots</a>. Photon momentum is a
                  measure of resistance to change-in-motion for a wave
                  propagating linearly at c. When it’s a 511keV wave
                  going round and round at c, we don’t call it a photon
                  any more. But it still exhibits resistance to
                  change-in-motion. Only we don’t call it a momentum any
                  more. We call it mass. Make sure you read<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://www.tardyon.de/mirror/hooft/hooft.htm"
                    style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                    class="">this</a>. It’s not the Nobel ‘t Hooft.<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                  style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                  sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Regards<o:p
                    class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                  style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                  sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">John
                  Duffield<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                      lang="EN-US"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General
                      [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                        class="">On Behalf Of<span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dr.
                      Albrecht Giese<br class="">
                      <b class="">Sent:</b><span
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                      September 2015 15:46<br class="">
                      <b class="">To:</b><span
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                        class="">
                      <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                      [General] research papers<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt;
                font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Hi
                Martin, Al, and all,<br class="">
                <br class="">
                thank you all for your contributions.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                <u class="">Regarding the size of the electron:</u><br
                  class="">
                <br class="">
                As Al argued in his example of the sun: If the scattered
                object is passing by without touching, the angular
                distribution is independent of the size of the object
                (for the 1/r^2 case). But that changes if the scattered
                particle hits the body of the "ball". In a last
                experiment in 2004 at DESY there was an experiment
                performed in which electrons were scattered against
                quarks (of a proton). The "common" size of both
                particles resulted in a bit less than 10^-18 m. This
                limit is given by the ratio of scattered events which
                react different from the 1/r^2 rule. - In this
                experiment it was also found that the electron is not
                only subject to the electric interaction but also to the
                strong interaction. I think that this is also important
                for assessing electron models.<span
                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                <br class="">
                This result of the size seems in clear conflict with the
                evaluation of Schrödinger and Wilczek using the
                uncertainty relation. Schroedinger made the following
                statement to it: "Here I have got the following result
                for the size of the electron (i.e. the Compton radius).
                But we know that the electron is point-like. So, I must
                have an error in my evaluation. However, I do not find
                this error." So also for Schrödinger this was an
                unsolvable conflict.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                I think that if the electron would be point like on the
                one hand but oscillate far enough so as to fill the size
                of the Compton wavelength, this would be a violation of
                the conservation of momentum. Very clearly, a single
                object cannot oscillate. That was also obvious for
                Schrödinger and clearly his reason to call the internal
                motion "Zitterbewegung". This is a word which does not
                exist in the German vocabulary of physical terms. But
                Schrödinger hesitated (by good reason) to use the German
                word for "oscillation".<br class="">
                <br class="">
                On the other hand, if the electron is built by two
                sub-particles, this solves the problem. The sub-particle
                is point-like (at least with respect to its charge), but
                both sub-particles orbit each other, which reserves the
                momentum law, and the orbital radius is the reduced
                Compton wavelength. - The argument of Martin that a
                model of two sub-particles is "refuted by the
                experiment" is often heart but not applicable to my
                model. The usual argument is that a sufficient effort
                has been done to decompose an electron by a strong
                bombardment. This was also done here at DESY. But in my
                model the sub-particles have no mass on their own (the
                mass of the electron is caused by the dynamics of the
                binding field). And in such a case one of the
                sub-particles may be accelerated by an arbitrary amount,
                the other one can always follow without any force coming
                up. A decomposition by bombardment is therefore never
                possible. - I have discussed this point with the
                research director of DESY who was responsible for such
                experiments, and after at first objecting it, he
                admitted, that my model is not in conflict with these
                experiments.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Martin: Where do I find your paper of 1997?<br class="">
                <br class="">
                <u class="">Regarding dilation:</u><br class="">
                <br class="">
                There is a lot of clear indications for dilation. Two
                examples:<br class="">
                -  The atomic clocks in the GPS satellites are slowed
                down which has to be compensated for<br class="">
                -  In the Muon storage ring at CERN the lifetime of
                these Muons was extended by the great amount ca. 250,
                which was in precise agreement with special relativity.<br
                  class="">
                <br class="">
                Contraction, on the other hand, is in so far more a
                point of interpretation as it cannot be directly
                measured - in contrast to dilation.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Best wishes<br class="">
                Albrecht<br class="">
                <br class="">
                <br class="">
                <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
              <div class="">
                <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                  font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Am
                  26.09.2015 um 01:48 schrieb<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                    href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de" style="color:
                    purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:<o:p
                    class=""></o:p></div>
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              <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"
                class="" type="cite">
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                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
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                        class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                          font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Well!
                           The water I was trying to offer was: might it
                          not be a good idea to distinguish clearly and
                          specifically between the size of a point and
                          the size of the volumn in which this point is
                          insessently moving about.  If your 97 paper
                          does that, my appologies.  Does it?  Forgive
                          me, I have over a couple hundred papers I'd
                          like to have read and digested laying about, I
                          do my best but still can't get to them all.
                           The chances are better, however, if a paper
                          attracts lots of attention because it
                          predicted something new to be observed
                          empirically.  Did it?  <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                    </div>
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                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
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                        class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                          font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                            class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
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                        class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                          font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">BTW,
                          I did not imply that the work I refered to is
                          better.  But, it (in Rowland's avantar) is
                          certainly as extensive as yours.  In any case,
                          it potentially undermines your
                          "shot-from-the-hip" criticism of Albrecht's
                          program by introducing a feature to which
                          neither you nor John refered to, in my best
                          memory, at San Diego.  My comment was not
                          intended ad hominum, but made on the
                          presumtion that you too have hundreds of
                          unread papers available.  <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                    </div>
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                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
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                        class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                          font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                            class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
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                        class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                          font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Best,
                           Al<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                        class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                          font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                            class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                        class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                          font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                            class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                            class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                          <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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                            Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span
                                style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
                                Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Gesendet:</span></b><span
                              style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
                              Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> Freitag,
                              25. September 2015 um 19:56 Uhr<br
                                class="">
                              <b class="">Von:</b> "Mark, Martin van
                              der"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                                underline;" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com"><martin.van.der.mark@philips.com></a></a><br
                                class="">
                              <b class="">An:</b> "Nature of Light and
                              Particles - General Discussion"<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
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                                class="">
                              <b class="">Betreff:</b> Re: [General]
                              research papers<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                        <div name="quoted-content" class="">
                          <div class="">
                            <div class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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                                Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                                  style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
                                  Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Al,
                                  just read what i wrote. It is not
                                  shooting from the hip. I am refering
                                  to actual experiments, all cited in
                                  the paper i refered to. Further, you
                                  are just repeating what i said
                                  already. I can only bring you to the
                                  water, i cannot make you drink. And
                                  then you refer to other doubtfull
                                  work, as id it were better. Good luck.<o:p
                                    class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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                                Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                                  style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
                                  Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Regards,
                                  Martin<br class="">
                                  <br class="">
                                  Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone<o:p
                                    class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                              <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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                                Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                                  style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
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                                    class="">
                                  Op 25 sep. 2015 om 19:16 heeft "<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                    style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>"
                                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"
                                    style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>>
                                  het volgende geschreven:<br class="">
                                   <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                            <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
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                                    <div class="">
                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                                          style="font-size: 9pt;
                                          font-family: Verdana,
                                          sans-serif;" class="">Dear
                                          Martin,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">
                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                                        serif;" class=""><span
                                          style="font-size: 9pt;
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                                          sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                                            class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                    <div class="">
                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                                        serif;" class=""><span
                                          style="font-size: 9pt;
                                          font-family: Verdana,
                                          sans-serif;" class="">Perhaps
                                          it's my Texas background, but
                                          I think I sense some "shoot'n
                                          from the hip."<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                        serif;" class=""><span
                                          style="font-size: 9pt;
                                          font-family: Verdana,
                                          sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                                            class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                    <div class="">
                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                                        serif;" class=""><span
                                          style="font-size: 9pt;
                                          font-family: Verdana,
                                          sans-serif;" class="">You have
                                          not done an experiment, but
                                          (at best) a calculation based
                                          on some hypothtical input of
                                          your choise.  Maybe it's good,
                                          maybe not.  <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                    </div>
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                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                                        serif;" class=""><span
                                          style="font-size: 9pt;
                                          font-family: Verdana,
                                          sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                                            class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">
                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                                        serif;" class=""><span
                                          style="font-size: 9pt;
                                          font-family: Verdana,
                                          sans-serif;" class="">The Sun
                                          scatters as a point only those
                                          projectiles that don't get
                                          close.   So far, no scattering
                                          off electons has gotten close
                                          enough to engage any internal
                                          structure, "they" say (I#ll
                                          defer to experts up-to-date).
                                           Nevertheless, electrons are
                                          in constant motion at or near
                                          the speed of light
                                          (Zitterbewegung) and therefore
                                          at the time scales of the
                                          projectiles buzz around
                                          (zittern) in a certain amout
                                          of space, which seems to me
                                          must manifest itself as if
                                          there were spacially exteneded
                                          structure within the
                                          scattering cross-section.  Why
                                          not?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">
                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                                        0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                                        font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                        serif;" class=""><span
                                          style="font-size: 9pt;
                                          font-family: Verdana,
                                          sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                                            class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">
                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                                        0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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                                        serif;" class=""><span
                                          style="font-size: 9pt;
                                          font-family: Verdana,
                                          sans-serif;" class="">Not to
                                          defend Albrecht's model as he
                                          describes it, but many folks
                                          (say Peter Rowlands at
                                          Liverpool, for example) model
                                          elemtary particles in terms of
                                          the partiicle itself
                                          interacting with its induced
                                          virtual image (denoted by
                                          Peter as the "rest of the
                                          universe").   This
                                          "inducement" is a kind of
                                          polarization effect.  Every
                                          charge repells all other like
                                          charges and attracts all other
                                          unlike charges resulting in
                                          what can be modeled as a
                                          virtual charge of the opposite
                                          gender superimposed on itself
                                          in the static approximation.
                                           But, because the real
                                          situation is fluid, the
                                          virtual charge's motion is
                                          delayed as caused by finite
                                          light speed, so that the two
                                          chase each other. Etc. Looks
                                          something like Albrecht's
                                          pairs.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">
                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                                        0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                                        font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                        serif;" class=""><span
                                          style="font-size: 9pt;
                                          font-family: Verdana,
                                          sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                                            class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">
                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                                        0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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                                        serif;" class=""><span
                                          style="font-size: 9pt;
                                          font-family: Verdana,
                                          sans-serif;" class="">I too
                                          havn't read your 97 paper yet,
                                          but I bet it's unlikely that
                                          you all took such
                                          consideration into account.<o:p
                                            class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                    </div>
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                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                                        serif;" class=""><span
                                          style="font-size: 9pt;
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                                          sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
                                            class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">
                                      <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                                        0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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                                        serif;" class=""><span
                                          style="font-size: 9pt;
                                          font-family: Verdana,
                                          sans-serif;" class="">Best,
                                          Al <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                    </div>
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                                          sans-serif;" class=""> <span
                                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                            class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                              25. September 2015 um
                                              18:44 Uhr<br class="">
                                              <b class="">Von:</b> "Mark,
                                              Martin van der" <<a
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                                                class="">
                                              <b class="">An:</b> "Nature
                                              of Light and Particles -
                                              General Discussion" <<a
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                                              "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="x-msg://45/phys@a-giese.de" target="_parent" style="color: purple;
                                                text-decoration:
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                                              <<a
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                                              <b class="">Betreff:</b> Re:
                                              [General] research papers<o:p
                                                class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
                                          <div class="">
                                            <div class="">
                                              <div style="margin: 0cm
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                                                  style="font-size:
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                                                  color: rgb(31, 73,
                                                  125);" class="">Dear
                                                  Al, dear Albrecht,
                                                  dear all,</span><o:p
                                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                                              <div style="margin: 0cm
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                                                  style="font-size:
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                                                  color: rgb(31, 73,
                                                  125);" class="">In the
                                                  paper John W and I
                                                  published in 1997, the
                                                  situation is explained
                                                  briefly but
                                                  adequately.</span><o:p
                                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                                              <div style="margin: 0cm
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                                                  style="font-size:
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                                                  color: rgb(31, 73,
                                                  125);" class="">Clearly
                                                  Albrecht has not read
                                                  it or, perhaps he did
                                                  but does not want to
                                                  understand it because
                                                  it really destroys his
                                                  work. This is a double
                                                  pity, of course, but
                                                  we are talking
                                                  science, not
                                                  sentiment, and I do
                                                  not want to take away
                                                  anything from the
                                                  person you are
                                                  Albrecht.</span><o:p
                                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                                              <div style="margin: 0cm
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                                                  style="font-size:
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                                                  color: rgb(31, 73,
                                                  125);" class="">The
                                                  electron has a finite
                                                  size, of the oder of
                                                  the Compton
                                                  wavelength, but the
                                                  Coulomb interaction is
                                                  perfectly matched in
                                                  ANY experiment, which
                                                  means there are no
                                                  internal bits to the
                                                  electron and that it
                                                  behaves as a
                                                  point-LIKE scatterer,
                                                  not a to be mistaken
                                                  by a POINT as is done
                                                  most of the time. Note
                                                  that even the sun has
                                                  point-like scattering
                                                  for all comets that go
                                                  round it, its
                                                  gravitational field
                                                  seems to come from the
                                                  centre of the sun.
                                                  Until you hit other
                                                  bits. There are no
                                                  other bits for the
                                                  electron, but at very
                                                  high energy the
                                                  4-momentum exchange
                                                  combined with the
                                                  resolving power at
                                                  that high energy make
                                                  that a Compton-size
                                                  object CANNOT be
                                                  resolved in principle,
                                                  if and only if it is
                                                  of electromagnetic
                                                  origin.</span><o:p
                                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                                              <div style="margin: 0cm
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                                                  style="font-size:
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                                                  color: rgb(31, 73,
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                                                  electron is a single
                                                  thing, of
                                                  electromagnetic origin
                                                  only, there is NO
                                                  OTHER WAY to fit the
                                                  experimental results.</span><o:p
                                                  class=""></o:p></div>
                                              <div style="margin: 0cm
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                                                  style="font-size:
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                                                  color: rgb(31, 73,
                                                  125);" class="">Well,
                                                  maybe there is another
                                                  way, but I cannot see
                                                  it. Certainly it is
                                                  not two parts rotating
                                                  about each other,
                                                  because that is
                                                  refuted by experiment,
                                                  all those models can
                                                  go in the bin and are
                                                  a waste of time and
                                                  energy.</span><o:p
                                                  class=""></o:p></div>
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                                                  color: rgb(31, 73,
                                                  125);" class="">Regards,
                                                  Martin</span><o:p
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                                                    class="">Dr. Martin
                                                    B. van der Mark</span><o:p
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                                                    class="">Principal
                                                    Scientist, Minimally
                                                    Invasive Healthcare</span><o:p
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                                                    class="">Philips
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                                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General
                                                      [<a
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span
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                                                        class="">
                                                      <b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>vrijdag 25 september 2015 18:05<br
                                                        class="">
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                                                        class="">
                                                      <b class="">Cc:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of Light and Particles -
                                                      General Discussion<br
                                                        class="">
                                                      <b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] research papers</span><o:p
                                                      class=""></o:p></div>
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                                                        class="">Shouldn't
                                                        a clear and
                                                        explicit
                                                        distinction
                                                        between the
                                                        "size" of the
                                                        electron and the
                                                        "extent" of its
                                                        Zitterbewegung
                                                        be made.   My
                                                        best info,
                                                        perhaps not
                                                        up-to-date, is
                                                        that although
                                                        scattering
                                                        experiments put
                                                        an upper limit
                                                        on the size
                                                        (10^-19m), there
                                                        exists in fact
                                                        no evidence that
                                                        the electron has
                                                        any finite size
                                                        whatsoever.
                                                         This is in
                                                        contrast to the
                                                        space it
                                                        consumes with
                                                        its
                                                        Zitter-motion,
                                                        which is what
                                                        would be
                                                        calculated using
                                                        QM (Heisenberg
                                                        uncertanty
                                                        mostly).  
                                                         Seems to me
                                                        that most of
                                                        what folks
                                                        theorize about
                                                        is the latter,
                                                        without saying
                                                        so, and perhaps
                                                        often without
                                                        even recognizing
                                                        it.  However,
                                                        since the Zitter
                                                        volumn will
                                                        cause electrons
                                                        to be moving
                                                        targets, it must
                                                        also have some
                                                        effect on its
                                                        scatering
                                                        cross-section
                                                        too.  I don't
                                                        know how this is
                                                        sorted out in
                                                        scattering
                                                        calculations---if
                                                        at all.
                                                         (Albrectht?)</span><o:p
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                                                        class="">Correct
                                                        me if I'm wrong.
                                                         Best,  Al</span><o:p
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                                                          class=""> Freitag,
                                                          25. September
                                                          2015 um 15:06
                                                          Uhr<br
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                                                          <b class="">Von:</b> "Dr.
                                                          Albrecht
                                                          Giese" <<a
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                                                          <b class="">An:</b> "Richard
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                                                          <b class="">Cc:</b> "Nature
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                                                          Discussion"
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                                                          [General]
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                                                          class="">Hello
                                                          Richard,<br
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                                                          according to
                                                          present
                                                          mainstream
                                                          physics the
                                                          size of the
                                                          electron is
                                                          not more than
                                                          10^-19 m. This
                                                          is concluded
                                                          from
                                                          scattering
                                                          experiments
                                                          where the size
                                                          of the
                                                          electric
                                                          charge is the
                                                          quantity of
                                                          influence.<br
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                                                          As present
                                                          mainstream
                                                          physics
                                                          (including the
                                                          QED of
                                                          Feynman)
                                                          assume that
                                                          the electron
                                                          has no
                                                          internal
                                                          structure and
                                                          that the
                                                          electric force
                                                          is the only
                                                          one effective,
                                                          this size is
                                                          identified
                                                          with the size
                                                          of the whole
                                                          electron. This
                                                          is in severe
                                                          conflict with
                                                          the
                                                          calculations
                                                          of Schrödinger
                                                          and of Wilczek
                                                          based on QM.<br
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                                                          I have the
                                                          impression
                                                          that several
                                                          of us
                                                          (including me)
                                                          have models of
                                                          the electron
                                                          which assume
                                                          some extension
                                                          roughly
                                                          compatible
                                                          with the QM
                                                          calculations.<br
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                                                          Some details
                                                          of my model
                                                          related to
                                                          this question:
                                                          Here the
                                                          electron is
                                                          built by 2
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          ("basic
                                                          particles")
                                                          which orbit
                                                          each other at
                                                          c. The
                                                          electric force
                                                          is not the
                                                          only force
                                                          inside. The
                                                          radius
                                                          following from
                                                          the magnetic
                                                          moment is the
                                                          reduced
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength,
                                                          and the mass
                                                          of the
                                                          electron
                                                          follows with
                                                          high precision
                                                          from this
                                                          radius. At
                                                          motion the
                                                          size decreases
                                                          by the
                                                          relativistic
                                                          factor gamma,
                                                          and so the
                                                          mass increases
                                                          by this
                                                          factor. -
                                                          However there
                                                          was always a
                                                          point of a
                                                          certain
                                                          weakness in my
                                                          model: I could
                                                          not prove that
                                                          the electron
                                                          is built by
                                                          just 2
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          carrying 1/2
                                                          elementary
                                                          charge each.
                                                          Now Wilczek
                                                          writes in his
                                                          article that
                                                          in certain
                                                          circumstances
                                                          -
                                                          superconductivity
                                                          in the
                                                          presence of a
                                                          magnetic field
                                                          - the electron
                                                          is decomposed
                                                          into two
                                                          halves. This
                                                          is the result
                                                          of
                                                          measurements.
                                                          How can this
                                                          happen with a
                                                          point-like
                                                          particle? This
                                                          is a mystery
                                                          for Wilczek.
                                                          But in the
                                                          view of my
                                                          model it is no
                                                          mystery but
                                                          quite
                                                          plausible. It
                                                          only needs now
                                                          a quantitative
                                                          calculation of
                                                          this process
                                                          which I
                                                          presently do
                                                          not have.<br
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                                                          All the best
                                                          to you<br
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                                                          Albrecht<br
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                                                          class="">Am
                                                          23.09.2015 um
                                                          19:02 schrieb
                                                          Richard
                                                          Gauthier:</span><o:p
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                                                          Albrecht,</span><o:p
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                                                           Yes, all of
                                                          our electron
                                                          models here
                                                          have a radius
                                                          related to the
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength.
                                                          Dirac’s
                                                          zitterbewegung
                                                          amplitude is
                                                          1/2 of the
                                                          reduced
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength, or
                                                          hbar/2mc ,
                                                          which is the
                                                          radius of the
                                                          generic
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged
                                                          photon’s
                                                          trajectory in
                                                          my circulating
                                                          spin 1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          model for a
                                                          resting
                                                          electron. That
                                                          radius
                                                          decreases by a
                                                          factor of
                                                          gamma^2 in a
                                                          moving
                                                          electron. Does
                                                          yours?
                                                          Incorporating
                                                          a more
                                                          detailed spin
                                                          1/2 charged
                                                          photon model
                                                          with the
                                                          generic model
                                                          could bring
                                                          the model's
                                                          radius up to
                                                          the reduced
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength
                                                          hbar/mc.</span><o:p
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                                                             Richard</span><o:p
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                                                          class="">On
                                                          Sep 22, 2015,
                                                          at 11:13 AM,
                                                          Dr. Albrecht
                                                          Giese <<a
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                                                          class="">Dear
                                                          Richard,<br
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                                                          thank you for
                                                          this reference
                                                          to the article
                                                          of Frank
                                                          Wilczek.<br
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                                                          He has a
                                                          quantum
                                                          mechanical
                                                          argument to
                                                          determine a
                                                          size for the
                                                          electron. It
                                                          is the
                                                          application of
                                                          the
                                                          uncertainty
                                                          relation to
                                                          the magnetic
                                                          moment of the
                                                          electron. The
                                                          result is as
                                                          you write: 2.4
                                                          x 10^-12 m,
                                                          which is the
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength of
                                                          the electron.<br
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                                                          This is a bit
                                                          similar to the
                                                          way as Erwin
                                                          Schrödinger
                                                          has determined
                                                          the size of
                                                          the electron
                                                          using the
                                                          Dirac function
                                                          in 1930. There
                                                          Schrödinger
                                                          determined the
                                                          "amplitude of
                                                          the
                                                          zitterbewegung"
                                                          also applying
                                                          the
                                                          uncertainty
                                                          relation to
                                                          the rest
                                                          energy of the
                                                          electron. It
                                                          was "roughly"
                                                          10^-13 m,
                                                          which also
                                                          meant in his
                                                          words the
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength of
                                                          the electron.<br
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                                                          <br class="">
                                                          In my electron
                                                          model its
                                                          radius is 3.86
                                                          x 10^-13 m,
                                                          which is
                                                          exactly the
                                                          "reduced"
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength.
                                                          But here it is
                                                          not an
                                                          expectation
                                                          value as in
                                                          the cases of
                                                          Wilczek and
                                                          Schrödinger
                                                          but the exact
                                                          radius of the
                                                          orbits of the
                                                          basic
                                                          particles.<br
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                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Thank you
                                                          again and best
                                                          wishes<br
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                                                          Albrecht<br
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                                                          21.09.2015 um
                                                          05:01 schrieb
                                                          Richard
                                                          Gauthier:</span><o:p
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                                                          class="">This
                                                          2013 Nature
                                                          comment “The
                                                          enigmatic
                                                          electron” by
                                                          Frank Wilczek
                                                          at <a
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                                                          class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com">http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com</a></a> is
                                                          worth a look.
                                                          He states that
                                                          due to QM
                                                          effects, the
                                                          size of the
                                                          electron is
                                                          about 2.4 x
                                                          10^-12 m,
                                                          which is
                                                          roughly in the
                                                          range of some
                                                          of our
                                                          electron
                                                          models.</span><o:p
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                                                          Richard</span><o:p
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                                                          <blockquote
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                                                          class="">On
                                                          Sep 16, 2015,
                                                          at 12:59 PM,
                                                          Wolfgang Baer
                                                          <<a
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                                                          class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com">wolf@nascentinc.com</a></a>>
                                                          wrote:</span><o:p
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                                                          class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                                          style="font-size:
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                                                          class="">I
                                                          should add you
                                                          sent me
                                                          Main-2014.pdf
                                                          and that may
                                                          be the one not
                                                          available on
                                                          the web sight.</span><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <span
                                                          style="font-size:
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                                                          initial;
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                                                          class="">I was
                                                          looking for a
                                                          similar one
                                                          that included
                                                          the other
                                                          topics as
                                                          well.</span><span
                                                          style="font-size:
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                                                          class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <span
                                                          style="background-color:
                                                          white;
                                                          background-position:
                                                          initial
                                                          initial;
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                                                          class="">If
                                                          you do not
                                                          have it, its
                                                          OK, I just
                                                          like reading
                                                          from paper.</span><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <span
                                                          style="background-color:
                                                          white;
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                                                          class="">best
                                                          wishes,</span><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <span
                                                          style="background-color:
                                                          white;
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                                                          class="">Wolf</span></span><br
                                                          class="">
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                                                          <pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; background-color: white;" class="">Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
                                                          <pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; background-color: white;" class="">Research Director<o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
                                                          <pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; background-color: white;" class="">Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
                                                          <pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; background-color: white;" class="">tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
                                                          <pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; background-color: white;" class="">E-mail <span style="color: purple;" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
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                                                          class="">On
                                                          9/14/2015
                                                          12:45 PM, Dr.
                                                          Albrecht Giese
                                                          wrote:</span><o:p
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                                                          class="">John,<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          You wrote a
                                                          long text, so
                                                          I will enter
                                                          my answers
                                                          within your
                                                          text.</span><br
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                                                          class="">Am
                                                          14.09.2015 um
                                                          02:54 schrieb
                                                          John Macken:</span><o:p
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                                                          class="">Hello
                                                          David and
                                                          Albrecht,</span><o:p
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                                                          class=""> </span><o:p
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                                                          class="">It
                                                          was through
                                                          the contact
                                                          with this
                                                          group that I
                                                          was finally
                                                          able to
                                                          understand the
                                                          disconnect
                                                          that existed
                                                          between my
                                                          idea of vacuum
                                                          energy and the
                                                          picture that
                                                          others were
                                                          obtaining from
                                                          my use of the
                                                          term
                                                          “energy”.  
                                                          Many of the
                                                          mysteries of
                                                          quantum
                                                          mechanics and
                                                          general
                                                          relativity can
                                                          be traced to
                                                          the fact that
                                                          fields exist
                                                          and yet we do
                                                          not have a
                                                          clear idea of
                                                          what they
                                                          are.  My
                                                          answer is that
                                                          we live within
                                                          a sea of
                                                          vacuum
                                                          activity which
                                                          is the
                                                          physical basis
                                                          of the
                                                          mysterious
                                                          fields. I
                                                          combine all
                                                          fields into a
                                                          single
                                                          “spacetime
                                                          field” which
                                                          is the basis
                                                          of all
                                                          particles,
                                                          fields and
                                                          forces.<span
                                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
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                                                          class="">David</span></b><span
                                                          style="font-family:
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                                                          class="">, you
                                                          asked about
                                                          the words<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>quantum, quantifying and
                                                          quantizing. I
                                                          did a word
                                                          search and I
                                                          did not use
                                                          the word
                                                          “quantizing”
                                                          in either the
                                                          email or the
                                                          attachment to
                                                          my last post. 
                                                          However, the
                                                          paper<span
                                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
                                                          class="">Energetic
                                                          Spacetime: The
                                                          New Aether</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>submitted to SPIE as part of the
                                                          conference
                                                          presentation,
                                                          used and
                                                          defines the
                                                          word
                                                          “quantization”.
                                                          This paper was
                                                          attached to
                                                          previous
                                                          posts, and is
                                                          available at
                                                          my website: <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="http://onlyspacetime.com/"
target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                                                          class="">http://onlyspacetime.com/</a></span><o:p
                                                          class=""></o:p></div>
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                                                          style="font-family:
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                                                          class=""> </span><o:p
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                                                          class="">Albrecht</span></b><span
                                                          style="font-family:
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                                                          sans-serif;"
                                                          class="">:  I
                                                          can combine my
                                                          answer to you
                                                          with the
                                                          clarification
                                                          for David of
                                                          the word
                                                          “quantify” and
                                                          its
                                                          derivatives. 
                                                          I claim that
                                                          my model of
                                                          the universe
                                                          “quantifies”
                                                          particles and
                                                          fields.  I
                                                          will start my
                                                          explanation of
                                                          this concept
                                                          by giving
                                                          examples of
                                                          models which
                                                          do not
                                                          “quantify”
                                                          particles and
                                                          fields.  There
                                                          have been
                                                          numerous
                                                          particle
                                                          models from
                                                          this group and
                                                          others which
                                                          show an
                                                          electron model
                                                          as two balls
                                                          orbiting
                                                          around a
                                                          center of
                                                          mass.  Most of
                                                          the group
                                                          identifies
                                                          these balls as
                                                          photons but
                                                          Albrecht names
                                                          the two balls
                                                          “charges of
                                                          the strong
                                                          force”.  Both
                                                          photons and
                                                          charges of
                                                          strong force
                                                          are just
                                                          words. To be
                                                          quantifiable,
                                                          it is
                                                          necessary to
                                                          describe the
                                                          model of the
                                                          universe which
                                                          gives the
                                                          strong force
                                                          or the
                                                          electromagnetic
                                                          force.  What
                                                          exactly are
                                                          these? How
                                                          much energy
                                                          and energy
                                                          density does
                                                          one charge of
                                                          strong force
                                                          have? Can a
                                                          photon occupy
                                                          a volume
                                                          smaller than a
                                                          reduced
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength in
                                                          radius? Does a
                                                          muon have the
                                                          same basic
                                                          strong force
                                                          charge but
                                                          just rotate
                                                          faster? Are
                                                          the charges of
                                                          strong force
                                                          or photons
                                                          made of any
                                                          other more
                                                          basic
                                                          component?</span><o:p
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                                                          <span
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                                                          class="">Regarding
                                                          charge: This
                                                          is a basic
                                                          entity in my
                                                          model. At some
                                                          point a
                                                          physical
                                                          theory has to
                                                          start. My
                                                          model starts
                                                          with the
                                                          assumption
                                                          that a charge
                                                          is an "atomic"
                                                          entity, so
                                                          possibly
                                                          point-like,
                                                          which emits
                                                          exchange
                                                          particles (in
                                                          this point I
                                                          follow the
                                                          general
                                                          understanding
                                                          of QM). There
                                                          are two types
                                                          of charges:
                                                          the electric
                                                          ones which we
                                                          are very
                                                          familiar with,
                                                          having two
                                                          signs, and the
                                                          strong ones,
                                                          which are not
                                                          so obvious in
                                                          everyday
                                                          physics; they
                                                          also have two
                                                          signs. In the
                                                          physical
                                                          nature we find
                                                          the charges of
                                                          the strong
                                                          force only in
                                                          configurations
                                                          made of those
                                                          different
                                                          signs, never
                                                          isolated. This
                                                          is in contrast
                                                          to the
                                                          electric
                                                          charges.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          The basic
                                                          particles are
                                                          composed of a
                                                          collection of
                                                          charges of the
                                                          strong force
                                                          so that both
                                                          basic
                                                          particles are
                                                          bound to each
                                                          other in a way
                                                          that they keep
                                                          a certain
                                                          distance. This
                                                          distance
                                                          characterizes
                                                          an elementary
                                                          particle. In
                                                          several (or
                                                          most) cases
                                                          there is
                                                          additionally
                                                          an electric
                                                          charge in the
                                                          basic
                                                          particle.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          The two
                                                          parameters I
                                                          have to set -
                                                          or to find -
                                                          are the shape
                                                          of the strong
                                                          field in the
                                                          elementary
                                                          particle. Here
                                                          I have defined
                                                          an equation
                                                          describing a
                                                          minimum
                                                          multi-pole
                                                          field to make
                                                          the elementary
                                                          particle
                                                          stable. The
                                                          other setting
                                                          is the
                                                          strength of
                                                          this field.
                                                          This strength
                                                          can be found
                                                          e.g. using the
                                                          electron
                                                          because the
                                                          electron is
                                                          well known and
                                                          precisely
                                                          measured. This
                                                          field is then
                                                          applicable for
                                                          all leptons as
                                                          well as for
                                                          all quarks. It
                                                          is also
                                                          applicable for
                                                          the photon
                                                          with the
                                                          restriction
                                                          that there may
                                                          be a
                                                          correction
                                                          factor caused
                                                          by the fact
                                                          that the
                                                          photon is not
                                                          fundamental in
                                                          the sense of
                                                          this model but
                                                          composed of
                                                          (maybe) two
                                                          other
                                                          particles.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          The size of
                                                          the photon is
                                                          (at least
                                                          roughly)
                                                          described by
                                                          its
                                                          wavelength.
                                                          This follows
                                                          from the mass
                                                          formula
                                                          resulting from
                                                          my model, as
                                                          with this
                                                          assumption the
                                                          (dynamic) mass
                                                          of the photon
                                                          is the correct
                                                          result.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          As I wrote,
                                                          the results of
                                                          this model are
                                                          very precise,
                                                          the prove is
                                                          in practice
                                                          only limited
                                                          by limitations
                                                          of the
                                                          measurement
                                                          processes.</span><span
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                                                          class="">I
                                                          could go on
                                                          with more
                                                          questions
                                                          until it is
                                                          possible to
                                                          calculate the
                                                          properties of
                                                          an electron
                                                          from the
                                                          answers.  So
                                                          far both
                                                          models lack
                                                          any
                                                          quantifiable
                                                          details except
                                                          perhaps a
                                                          connection to
                                                          the particle’s
                                                          Compton
                                                          frequency.  I
                                                          am not
                                                          demanding
                                                          anything more
                                                          than I have
                                                          already done. 
                                                          For example, I
                                                          cannot
                                                          calculate the
                                                          electron’s
                                                          Compton
                                                          frequency or
                                                          the fine
                                                          structure
                                                          constant. 
                                                          However, once
                                                          I install
                                                          these into the
                                                          model that I
                                                          create, and
                                                          combine this
                                                          with the
                                                          properties of
                                                          the spacetime
                                                          field, then I
                                                          get an
                                                          electron. 
                                                          Installing a
                                                          muon’s Compton
                                                          frequency
                                                          generates a
                                                          muon with the
                                                          correct
                                                          electric
                                                          field,
                                                          electrostatic
                                                          force,
                                                          curvature of
                                                          spacetime,
                                                          gravitational
                                                          force and de
                                                          Broglie
                                                          waves.  I am
                                                          able to
                                                          quantify the
                                                          distortion of
                                                          spacetime
                                                          produced by a
                                                          charged
                                                          particle, an
                                                          electric field
                                                          and a photon. 
                                                          I am able to
                                                          test these
                                                          models and
                                                          show that they
                                                          generate both
                                                          the correct
                                                          energy density
                                                          and generate a
                                                          black hole
                                                          when we reach
                                                          the distortion
                                                          limits of the
                                                          spacetime
                                                          field.<span
                                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
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                                                          class="">In my
                                                          model the
                                                          Compton
                                                          frequency of
                                                          the electron
                                                          (and of the
                                                          other leptons)
                                                          follows
                                                          directly from
                                                          the size of
                                                          the particle
                                                          and the fact
                                                          that the basic
                                                          particle move
                                                          with c. The
                                                          fine structure
                                                          constant tells
                                                          us the
                                                          relation of
                                                          the electric
                                                          force to the
                                                          strong force.
                                                          This
                                                          explanation
                                                          follows very
                                                          directly from
                                                          this model,
                                                          however was
                                                          also found by
                                                          other
                                                          theorists
                                                          using algebra
                                                          of particle
                                                          physics.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Another result
                                                          of the model
                                                          is that
                                                          Planck's
                                                          constant -
                                                          multiplied by
                                                          c - is the
                                                          field constant
                                                          of the strong
                                                          force. Also
                                                          this is the
                                                          result of
                                                          other models
                                                          (however not
                                                          of mainstream
                                                          physics).<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                                          <div class="">
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                                                          class="">My
                                                          model starts
                                                          with a
                                                          quantifiable
                                                          description of
                                                          the properties
                                                          of spacetime. 
                                                          The spacetime
                                                          model has a
                                                          specific
                                                          impedance
                                                          which
                                                          describes the
                                                          properties of
                                                          waves that can
                                                          exist in
                                                          spacetime.
                                                          Then the
                                                          amplitude and
                                                          frequency of
                                                          the waves in
                                                          spacetime is
                                                          quantified. 
                                                          This
                                                          combination
                                                          allows the
                                                          energy density
                                                          of spacetime
                                                          to be
                                                          calculated and
                                                          this agrees
                                                          with the
                                                          energy density
                                                          of zero point
                                                          energy. The
                                                          particle
                                                          models are
                                                          then defined
                                                          as ½<span
                                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span>ħ<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>units of quantized angular
                                                          momentum
                                                          existing in
                                                          the spacetime
                                                          field.  This
                                                          model is
                                                          quantifiable
                                                          as to size,
                                                          structure,
                                                          energy, etc. 
                                                          Also the fact
                                                          that the rate
                                                          of time and
                                                          proper volume
                                                          is being
                                                          modulated, it
                                                          is possible to
                                                          calculate the
                                                          effect that
                                                          such a
                                                          structure
                                                          would have on
                                                          the
                                                          surrounding
                                                          volume of
                                                          spacetime.  It
                                                          is possible to
                                                          calculate the
                                                          effect if the
                                                          spacetime-based
                                                          particle model
                                                          would have if
                                                          the coupling
                                                          constant was
                                                          equal to 1
                                                          (Planck
                                                          charge), To
                                                          get charge<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">e</i>, it is necessary
                                                          to manually
                                                          install the
                                                          fine structure
                                                          constant. <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                                          class="">How
                                                          do you get the
                                                          value<span
                                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
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                                                          class="">½<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>ħ</span><span
                                                          class="apple-converted-space"><span
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                                                          class="">for
                                                          the angular
                                                          momentum? What
                                                          is the
                                                          calculation
                                                          behind it? - I
                                                          understand
                                                          that in your
                                                          model the
                                                          electric
                                                          charge is a
                                                          parameter
                                                          deduced from
                                                          other facts.
                                                          Which ones?
                                                          From alpha?
                                                          How do you
                                                          then get
                                                          alpha?<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          I personally
                                                          have in so far
                                                          a problem with
                                                          all
                                                          considerations
                                                          using
                                                          spacetime as I
                                                          have quite
                                                          thoroughly
                                                          investigated
                                                          how Einstein
                                                          came to the
                                                          idea of this
                                                          4-dimentional
                                                          construct. His
                                                          main
                                                          motivation was
                                                          that he wanted
                                                          in any case to
                                                          avoid an
                                                          ether. And in
                                                          his
                                                          discussions
                                                          with Ernst
                                                          Mach he had to
                                                          realize that
                                                          he was running
                                                          into a lot of
                                                          problems with
                                                          this
                                                          assumption. He
                                                          could solve
                                                          these problems
                                                          in general by
                                                          his "curved
                                                          spacetime".
                                                          But this
                                                          concept still
                                                          causes logical
                                                          conflicts
                                                          which are
                                                          eagerly
                                                          neglected by
                                                          the followers
                                                          of Einstein's
                                                          relativity
                                                          (and which do
                                                          not exist in
                                                          the Lorentzian
                                                          way of
                                                          relativity).<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                                          class=""><span
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                                                          class=""> </span><o:p
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                                                          <div class="">
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                                                          class="">The
                                                          quantifiable
                                                          properties of
                                                          spacetime
                                                          imply that
                                                          there should
                                                          be boundary
                                                          conditions
                                                          which imply
                                                          that the waves
                                                          in spacetime
                                                          should be
                                                          nonlinear. 
                                                          When the
                                                          nonlinear
                                                          component is
                                                          calculated and
                                                          treated as
                                                          separate
                                                          waves, the
                                                          characteristics
                                                          of the
                                                          particle’s
                                                          gravitational
                                                          field are
                                                          obtained
                                                          (correct:
                                                           curvature,
                                                          effect on the
                                                          rate of time,
                                                          force and
                                                          energy
                                                          density).</span><o:p
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                                                          class="">In my
                                                          last post I
                                                          have given an
                                                          answer about
                                                          the factor of
                                                          10<sup
                                                          class="">120</sup><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>difference between the observable
                                                          energy density
                                                          of the
                                                          universe and
                                                          the
                                                          non-observable
                                                          energy of the
                                                          universe. 
                                                          This
                                                          non-observable
                                                          energy density
                                                          is absolutely
                                                          necessary for
                                                          QED
                                                          calculations,
                                                          zero point
                                                          energy, the
                                                          uncertainty
                                                          principle,
                                                          Lamb shift,
                                                          spontaneous
                                                          emission and
                                                          quantum
                                                          mechanics in
                                                          general. This
                                                          non-observable
                                                          energy density
                                                          is responsible
                                                          for the
                                                          tremendously
                                                          large
                                                          impedance of
                                                          spacetime c<sup
                                                          class="">3</sup>/G.
                                                          Since I can
                                                          also show how
                                                          this
                                                          non-observable
                                                          energy density
                                                          is obtainable
                                                          from
                                                          gravitational
                                                          wave
                                                          equations, it
                                                          is necessary
                                                          for<span
                                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                                          class="">you</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>to show how all these effects can
                                                          be achieved
                                                          without
                                                          spacetime
                                                          being a single
                                                          field with
                                                          this
                                                          non-observable
                                                          energy
                                                          density.  In
                                                          fact, the name
                                                          non-observable
                                                          only applied
                                                          to direct
                                                          observation.
                                                          The indirect
                                                          evidence is
                                                          everywhere. 
                                                          It forms the
                                                          basis of the
                                                          universe and
                                                          therefore is
                                                          the
                                                          “background
                                                          noise” of the
                                                          universe.  For
                                                          this reason it
                                                          is not
                                                          directly
                                                          observable
                                                          because we can
                                                          only detect
                                                          differences in
                                                          energy.  The
                                                          constants<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">c,</i><span
                                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
                                                          class="">G</i>,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">ħ</i><span
                                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">ε<sub class="">o</sub></i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>testify that spacetime is not an
                                                          empty void. <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                                          class="">Up to
                                                          now I did not
                                                          find any
                                                          necessity for
                                                          zero-point
                                                          energy. And I
                                                          find it a
                                                          dangerous way
                                                          to assume
                                                          physical facts
                                                          which cannot
                                                          be observed.
                                                          The greatest
                                                          argument in
                                                          favour of this
                                                          energy is its
                                                          use in Feynman
                                                          diagrams. But
                                                          is there
                                                          really no
                                                          other way? I
                                                          have a lecture
                                                          of Feynman
                                                          here where he
                                                          states that
                                                          his formalism
                                                          has good
                                                          results. But
                                                          that he has no
                                                          physical
                                                          understanding
                                                          why it is
                                                          successful. In
                                                          my
                                                          understanding
                                                          of the
                                                          development of
                                                          physics this
                                                          is a weak
                                                          point.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          The
                                                          discrepancy of
                                                          10^120 between
                                                          assumed and
                                                          observed
                                                          energy is
                                                          taken as a
                                                          great and
                                                          unresolved
                                                          problem by
                                                          present main
                                                          stream
                                                          physics. Those
                                                          representatives
                                                          would have all
                                                          reason to find
                                                          a solution to
                                                          keep present
                                                          QM clean. But
                                                          they are not
                                                          able to. This
                                                          causes me some
                                                          concern.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          The constants
                                                          you have
                                                          listed: c is
                                                          the speed of
                                                          light what
                                                          ever the
                                                          reason for it
                                                          is. (I have a
                                                          model, but it
                                                          is a bit
                                                          speculative.)
                                                          But it has
                                                          nothing to do
                                                          with energy. G
                                                          is the
                                                          gravitational
                                                          constant which
                                                          is as little
                                                          understood as
                                                          gravity
                                                          itself.
                                                          Planck's
                                                          constant I
                                                          have
                                                          explained, it
                                                          is (with c)
                                                          the field
                                                          constant of
                                                          the strong
                                                          force (any
                                                          force has to
                                                          be described
                                                          by a field
                                                          constant); and<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i class=""><span
                                                          style="font-family:
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                                                          class="">ε<sub
                                                          class="">o</sub></span></i><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
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                                                          class="">is
                                                          the field
                                                          constant of
                                                          the electric
                                                          force with a
                                                          similar
                                                          background.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                                          class="">If
                                                          spacetime was
                                                          an empty void,
                                                          why should
                                                          particles have
                                                          a speed limit
                                                          of<span
                                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
                                                          class="">c</i>?
                                                          For a thought
                                                          experiment,
                                                          suppose that
                                                          two spaceships
                                                          leave earth
                                                          going opposite
                                                          directions and
                                                          accelerate
                                                          until they
                                                          reach a speed
                                                          of 0.75<span
                                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
                                                          class="">c</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>relative to the earth.  The earth
                                                          bound observer
                                                          sees them
                                                          separating at
                                                          1.5<span
                                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
                                                          class="">c</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>but the rules of relativistic
                                                          addition of
                                                          velocity has a
                                                          spaceship
                                                          observer
                                                          seeing the
                                                          other
                                                          spaceship
                                                          moving away at
                                                          only 0.96<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">c</i>.  How is this
                                                          possible if
                                                          spacetime is
                                                          an empty
                                                          void.  My
                                                          model of the
                                                          universe
                                                          answers this
                                                          because all
                                                          particles,
                                                          fields and
                                                          forces are
                                                          also made of
                                                          the spacetime
                                                          field and they
                                                          combine to
                                                          achieve
                                                          Lorentz
                                                          transformations
                                                          which affects
                                                          ruler length
                                                          and clocks. 
                                                          None of this
                                                          can happen
                                                          unless
                                                          spacetime is
                                                          filled with
                                                          dipole waves
                                                          in spacetime
                                                          and everything
                                                          is made of the
                                                          single
                                                          component. 
                                                          The universe
                                                          is only
                                                          spacetime.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                                          class="">If
                                                          two spaceships
                                                          move at 0.75 c
                                                          in opposite
                                                          direction, the
                                                          observer at
                                                          rest may add
                                                          these speeds
                                                          and may get
                                                          1.5 c as a
                                                          result. Why
                                                          not? If an
                                                          observer in
                                                          one of the
                                                          spaceships
                                                          measures the
                                                          relative speed
                                                          of the other
                                                          spaceship, the
                                                          result will be
                                                          less then c
                                                          (as you write
                                                          it). The
                                                          reason is the
                                                          well known
                                                          fact that the
                                                          measurement
                                                          tools
                                                          accessible for
                                                          the observer
                                                          in the ship
                                                          are changed
                                                          and run
                                                          differently at
                                                          this high
                                                          speed. The
                                                          reason for
                                                          these changes
                                                          is for time
                                                          dilation the
                                                          internal speed
                                                          c in
                                                          elementary
                                                          particles. For
                                                          contraction it
                                                          is the
                                                          contraction of
                                                          fields at
                                                          motion which
                                                          is a fact
                                                          independent of
                                                          relativity
                                                          (and which was
                                                          already known
                                                          before
                                                          Einstein). In
                                                          addition when
                                                          the speed of
                                                          another object
                                                          is to be
                                                          measured
                                                          several clocks
                                                          are to be used
                                                          positioned
                                                          along the
                                                          measurement
                                                          section. These
                                                          clocks are
                                                          de-synchronized
                                                          in relation to
                                                          the clocks of
                                                          the observer
                                                          at rest. These
                                                          phenomena
                                                          together cause
                                                          the
                                                          measurement
                                                          result < c.
                                                          You find these
                                                          considerations
                                                          in papers and
                                                          books about
                                                          the Lorentzian
                                                          interpretation
                                                          of relativity.
                                                          So, following
                                                          Lorentz, there
                                                          is no reason
                                                          to assume
                                                          Einstein's
                                                          spacetime.</span><span
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                                                          class="">John
                                                          M.</span><o:p
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                                                          class="">Perhaps
                                                          I should read
                                                          your book. But
                                                          that chould
                                                          take a lot of
                                                          time, I am
                                                          afraid.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Albrecht<span
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                                                          class="">From:</span></b><span
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                                                          class="">Dr.
                                                          Albrecht Giese
                                                          [<a
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                                                          <b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, September 13, 2015 1:43 PM<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <b class="">To:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>John Macken<span
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                                                          'Nature of
                                                          Light and
                                                          Particles -
                                                          General
                                                          Discussion'<span
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                                                          <b class="">Subject:</b><span
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                                                          class="">Hello
                                                          John,<br
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                                                          great that you
                                                          have looked so
                                                          deeply into
                                                          the model
                                                          which I have
                                                          presented.
                                                          Thank you.<br
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                                                          There are some
                                                          questions
                                                          which I can
                                                          answer quite
                                                          easily. I
                                                          think that
                                                          this model in
                                                          fact explains
                                                          several points
                                                          just in
                                                          contrast to
                                                          main stream
                                                          physics. In
                                                          standard
                                                          physics the
                                                          electron (just
                                                          as an example)
                                                          is a
                                                          point-like
                                                          object without
                                                          any internal
                                                          structure. So,
                                                          how can a
                                                          magnetic
                                                          moment be
                                                          explained? How
                                                          can the spin
                                                          be explained?
                                                          How can the
                                                          mass be
                                                          explained? The
                                                          position of
                                                          main stream
                                                          physics is:
                                                          That cannot be
                                                          explained but
                                                          is subject to
                                                          quantum
                                                          mechanics. And
                                                          the fact that
                                                          it cannot be
                                                          explained
                                                          shows how
                                                          necessary QM
                                                          is.<br
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                                                          In contrast,
                                                          if the
                                                          electron is
                                                          assumed to
                                                          have a
                                                          structure like
                                                          in the model
                                                          presented,
                                                          these
                                                          parameters can
                                                          be explained
                                                          in a classical
                                                          way, and this
                                                          explanation is
                                                          not merely a
                                                          qualitative
                                                          one but has
                                                          precise
                                                          quantitative
                                                          results.<br
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                                                          To  your
                                                          questions in
                                                          detail:<br
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                                                          The fact of
                                                          two basic
                                                          particles is
                                                          necessary to
                                                          explain the
                                                          fact of an
                                                          oscillation
                                                          and to fulfil
                                                          the
                                                          conservation
                                                          of momentum. A
                                                          single object
                                                          (as
                                                          point-like)
                                                          cannot
                                                          oscillate. The
                                                          basic
                                                          particles are
                                                          composed of
                                                          charges of the
                                                          strong force.
                                                          In this model
                                                          the strong
                                                          force is
                                                          assumed to be
                                                          the universal
                                                          force in our
                                                          world
                                                          effective on
                                                          all particles.
                                                          A charge is a
                                                          fundamental
                                                          object in the
                                                          scope of this
                                                          model. There
                                                          are two kinds
                                                          of charges
                                                          according to
                                                          the two kinds
                                                          of forces in
                                                          our world, the
                                                          strong one and
                                                          the electric
                                                          one. The weak
                                                          force is in
                                                          fact the
                                                          strong force
                                                          but has a
                                                          smaller
                                                          coupling
                                                          constant
                                                          caused by
                                                          geometric
                                                          circumstances.
                                                          And gravity is
                                                          not a force at
                                                          all but a
                                                          refraction
                                                          process, which
                                                          is so a side
                                                          effect of the
                                                          other forces.
                                                          And, by the
                                                          way, gravity
                                                          is not curved
                                                          spacetime.
                                                          This is not
                                                          necessary, and
                                                          besides of
                                                          this,
                                                          Einstein's
                                                          spacetime
                                                          leads to
                                                          logical
                                                          conflicts.<br
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                                                          The forces
                                                          (i.e. strong
                                                          force) inside
                                                          an elementary
                                                          particle are
                                                          configured in
                                                          a way that at
                                                          a certain
                                                          distance there
                                                          is a potential
                                                          minimum and in
                                                          this way the
                                                          distance
                                                          between the
                                                          basic
                                                          particles is
                                                          enforced. So,
                                                          this field has
                                                          attracting and
                                                          repulsive
                                                          components.
                                                          Outside the
                                                          elementary
                                                          particle the
                                                          attracting
                                                          forces
                                                          dominate to
                                                          make the
                                                          particle a
                                                          stable one.
                                                          And those
                                                          field parts
                                                          outside have
                                                          an opposite
                                                          sign. Now, as
                                                          the basic
                                                          particles are
                                                          orbiting each
                                                          other, the
                                                          outside field
                                                          is an
                                                          alternating
                                                          field (of the
                                                          strong forth).
                                                          If this field
                                                          propagates, it
                                                          is builds a
                                                          wave. This
                                                          wave is
                                                          described by
                                                          the
                                                          Schrödinger
                                                          equation and
                                                          fulfils the
                                                          assumptions of
                                                          de Broglie.<span
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                                                          With the
                                                          assumption of
                                                          two basic
                                                          particles
                                                          orbiting at c
                                                          and subject to
                                                          strong force,
                                                          the parameters
                                                          mass, magnetic
                                                          moment, spin
                                                          result from it
                                                          numerically
                                                          correctly
                                                          without
                                                          further
                                                          assumptions.<br
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                                                          This model
                                                          does not need
                                                          any vacuum
                                                          energy or
                                                          virtual
                                                          particles.
                                                          Those are
                                                          simply not
                                                          necessary and
                                                          they are
                                                          anyway very
                                                          speculative
                                                          because not
                                                          directly
                                                          observable.
                                                          And in the
                                                          case of the
                                                          vacuum energy
                                                          of the
                                                          universe we
                                                          are confronted
                                                          with the
                                                          discrepancy of
                                                          10^120 which
                                                          you also
                                                          mention in
                                                          your paper
                                                          attached to
                                                          your mail.<br
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                                                          The Coulomb
                                                          law can be
                                                          easily
                                                          explained by
                                                          the assumption
                                                          (standard at
                                                          quantum
                                                          mechanics)
                                                          that a force
                                                          is realized by
                                                          exchange
                                                          particles. The
                                                          density of
                                                          exchange
                                                          particles and
                                                          so the
                                                          strength of
                                                          the field
                                                          diminishes by
                                                          1/r^2, which
                                                          is simple
                                                          geometry.<span
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                                                          So John, this
                                                          is my
                                                          position. Now
                                                          I am curious
                                                          about your
                                                          objections of
                                                          further
                                                          questions.<br
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                                                          Best regards<br
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                                                          Albrecht<br
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                                                          John Macken:</span><o:p
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                                                          Albrecht and
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                                                          have attached
                                                          a one page
                                                          addition that
                                                          I will make to
                                                          my book. It is
                                                          a preliminary
                                                          explanation of
                                                          my model of
                                                          the spacetime
                                                          field.  It has
                                                          been very
                                                          helpful to me
                                                          to interact
                                                          with this
                                                          group because
                                                          I now
                                                          understand
                                                          better the key
                                                          stumbling
                                                          block for some
                                                          scientists to
                                                          accept my
                                                          thesis. 
                                                          Therefore I
                                                          have written
                                                          the attached
                                                          introduction
                                                          to ease the
                                                          reader of my
                                                          book into my
                                                          model. <span
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                                                          class=""> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>I appreciate your email.  We agree
                                                          on several
                                                          points which
                                                          include the
                                                          size of the
                                                          electron and
                                                          there is a
                                                          similarity in
                                                          the
                                                          explanation of
                                                          gravity.  The
                                                          key points of
                                                          disagreement
                                                          are the same
                                                          as I have with
                                                          the rest of
                                                          the group. 
                                                          Your
                                                          explanation of
                                                          a fundamental
                                                          particle is
                                                          not really an
                                                          explanation. 
                                                          You substitute
                                                          a fundamental
                                                          particle such
                                                          as an electron
                                                          with two
                                                          “basic
                                                          particles”. 
                                                          Have we made
                                                          any progress
                                                          or did we just
                                                          double the
                                                          problem?  What
                                                          is your basic
                                                          particles made
                                                          of?  What is
                                                          the physics
                                                          behind the
                                                          force of
                                                          attraction
                                                          between the
                                                          particles?
                                                          What is the
                                                          physics behind
                                                          an electric
                                                          field? How
                                                          does your
                                                          model create
                                                          de Broglie
                                                          waves? How
                                                          does your
                                                          model create a
                                                          gravitational
                                                          field (curved
                                                          spacetime)? 
                                                          Can you derive
                                                          the Coulomb
                                                          law and
                                                          Newtonian
                                                          gravitational
                                                          equation from
                                                          your model? <span
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                                                          class="">These
                                                          might seem
                                                          like unfair
                                                          questions, but
                                                          my model does
                                                          all of these
                                                          things. All it
                                                          requires is
                                                          the reader
                                                          accept the
                                                          fact that the
                                                          vacuum
                                                          possesses
                                                          activity which
                                                          can be
                                                          characterized
                                                          as a type of
                                                          energy density
                                                          that is not
                                                          observable (no
                                                          rest mass or
                                                          momentum). 
                                                          This is no
                                                          different that
                                                          accepting that
                                                          QED
                                                          calculations
                                                          should be
                                                          believed when
                                                          they assume
                                                          vacuum energy
                                                          or that zero
                                                          point energy
                                                          really
                                                          exists. <span
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                                                          perhaps I have
                                                          come on too
                                                          strong, but I
                                                          have decided
                                                          to take a
                                                          firmer stand. 
                                                          You just
                                                          happen to be
                                                          the first
                                                          person that I
                                                          contrast to my
                                                          model.  I am
                                                          actually happy
                                                          to discuss the
                                                          scientific
                                                          details in a
                                                          less
                                                          confrontational
                                                          way.  I just
                                                          wanted to make
                                                          an initial
                                                          point.</span><o:p
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                                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dr.
                                                          Albrecht Giese<br
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                                                          <b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, September 11, 2015 9:52 AM<br
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                                                          class="">
                                                          <b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] research papers</span><o:p
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                                                          class="">Dear
                                                          John Macken,<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          I would like
                                                          to answer a
                                                          specific topic
                                                          in your mail
                                                          below. You
                                                          write "...
                                                          would have
                                                          particular
                                                          relevance to
                                                          the concept
                                                          that the Higgs
                                                          field is
                                                          needed to give
                                                          inertia to
                                                          fermions".<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          We should not
                                                          overlook that
                                                          even
                                                          mainstream
                                                          physicists
                                                          working on
                                                          elementary
                                                          particles
                                                          admit that the
                                                          Higgs theory
                                                          is not able to
                                                          explain
                                                          inertia.  I
                                                          give you as a
                                                          reference:<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                                          class="">>Steven
                                                          D. Brass, The
                                                          cosmological
                                                          constant
                                                          puzzle,
                                                          Journal of
                                                          Physics G,
                                                          Nuclear and
                                                          Particle
                                                          Physics 38,
                                                          4(2011)
                                                          43201< ,</span><o:p
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                                                          class="">which
                                                          has the result
                                                          that the Higgs
                                                          field, which
                                                          causes inertia
                                                          according to
                                                          the theory, is
                                                          by at least 56
                                                          orders of
                                                          magnitude too
                                                          small to
                                                          explain the
                                                          mass of the
                                                          elementary
                                                          particles.
                                                          (Another
                                                          weakness is
                                                          the fact that
                                                          the Higgs
                                                          theory does
                                                          not tell us
                                                          the mass of
                                                          any elementary
                                                          particle even
                                                          if all other
                                                          parameters are
                                                          known.)<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          As you may
                                                          remember, in
                                                          our meeting I
                                                          have presented
                                                          a model
                                                          explaining
                                                          inertia which
                                                          does not only
                                                          work as a
                                                          general idea
                                                          but provides
                                                          very precise
                                                          results for
                                                          the mass of
                                                          leptons. The
                                                          mass is
                                                          classically
                                                          deduced from
                                                          the size of a
                                                          particle.  It
                                                          also explains
                                                          the mass of
                                                          quarks, but
                                                          here the
                                                          verification
                                                          is more
                                                          difficult, due
                                                          to the lack of
                                                          measurements.
                                                          In addition I
                                                          have shown
                                                          that the model
                                                          also explains
                                                          the (dynamic)
                                                          mass of
                                                          photons, if
                                                          the size of a
                                                          photon is
                                                          related to its
                                                          wavelength.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          You may find
                                                          details in the
                                                          proceedings of
                                                          our San Diego
                                                          meeting, but
                                                          also on the
                                                          following web
                                                          sites:<br
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                                                          <br class="">
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                                                          class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ag-physics.org/electron">www.ag-physics.org/electron</a></a></span><span
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                                                          class="">.<br
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                                                          <br class="">
                                                          You may also
                                                          find the sites
                                                          by Google
                                                          search
                                                          entering the
                                                          string "origin
                                                          of mass". You
                                                          will find it
                                                          on position 1
                                                          or 2 of the
                                                          list, where it
                                                          has constantly
                                                          been during
                                                          the past 12
                                                          years.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          If you have
                                                          any questions
                                                          about it,
                                                          please ask me.
                                                          I will be
                                                          happy about
                                                          any
                                                          discussion.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          With best
                                                          regards<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          Albrecht Giese</span><br
                                                          class="">
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                                                          class="">Am
                                                          04.09.2015 um
                                                          18:40 schrieb
                                                          John Macken:</span><o:p
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                                                          class="">I
                                                          wanted to
                                                          remind you
                                                          that I think
                                                          that you
                                                          should update
                                                          your article
                                                          “Light Is
                                                          Heavy” to
                                                          include the
                                                          mathematical
                                                          proof that
                                                          confined light
                                                          has exactly
                                                          the same
                                                          inertia as
                                                          particles with
                                                          equal energy. 
                                                          Accelerating a
                                                          reflecting box
                                                          causes
                                                          different
                                                          photon
                                                          pressure which
                                                          results in a
                                                          net inertial
                                                          force.  I
                                                          already
                                                          reference your
                                                          Light Is Heavy
                                                          article in my
                                                          book, but
                                                          expanding the
                                                          article would
                                                          be even
                                                          better.  An
                                                          expanded
                                                          article would
                                                          have
                                                          particular
                                                          relevance to
                                                          the concept
                                                          that the Higgs
                                                          field is
                                                          needed to give
                                                          inertia to
                                                          fermions. The
                                                          Higgs field is
                                                          not needed to
                                                          give inertia
                                                          to confined
                                                          light. 
                                                          Furthermore,
                                                          confined light
                                                          exerts exactly
                                                          the correct
                                                          inertia and
                                                          kinetic
                                                          energy, even
                                                          at
                                                          relativistic
                                                          conditions.  I
                                                          have not seen
                                                          a proof that
                                                          the Higgs
                                                          field gives
                                                          exactly the
                                                          correct amount
                                                          of inertia or
                                                          kinetic energy
                                                          to fermions. 
                                                          Any particle
                                                          model that
                                                          includes
                                                          either a
                                                          confined
                                                          photon or
                                                          confined waves
                                                          in spacetime
                                                          propagating at
                                                          the speed of
                                                          light gets
                                                          inertia and
                                                          kinetic energy
                                                          from the same
                                                          principles as
                                                          confined light
                                                          in a
                                                          reflecting
                                                          box.</span><o:p
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                                                          class="">John
                                                          M.<span
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                                                          background-color:
                                                          white;"
                                                          class=""><b
                                                          class=""><span
                                                          style="font-size:
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                                                          Calibri,
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                                                          class="">From:</span></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;"
                                                          class=""> </span></span><span
                                                          style="font-size:
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                                                          Calibri,
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                                                          class="">General
                                                          [</span><span
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                                                          sans-serif;
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                                                          class=""><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                                                          style="color:
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                                                          text-decoration:
                                                          underline;"
                                                          class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a></a></span><span
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                                                          class="">]<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span
                                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mark,
                                                          Martin van der<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, September 04, 2015 6:34 AM<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <b class="">To:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of Light and Particles -
                                                          General
                                                          Discussion<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                                                          style="color:
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                                                          class="">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[General] research papers</span><o:p
                                                          class=""></o:p></div>
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                                                          white;"><span
                                                          style="font-size:
                                                          11pt;
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                                                          class="">Dear
                                                          all,</span><o:p
                                                          class=""></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
                                                          style="margin:
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                                                          background-color:
                                                          white;"><span
                                                          style="font-size:
                                                          11pt;
                                                          font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;
                                                          color: rgb(31,
                                                          73, 125);"
                                                          class="">My
                                                          recent (and
                                                          old) work can
                                                          be found on
                                                          Researchgate:</span><o:p
                                                          class=""></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
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                                                          style="margin:
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                                                          white;"><span
                                                          style="font-size:
                                                          11pt;
                                                          font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
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                                                          class=""><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Van_der_Mark/publications"
target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                                                          class=""><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          purple;"
                                                          class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Van_der_Mark/publications">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Van_der_Mark/publications</a></span></a></span><o:p
                                                          class=""></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
                                                          style="margin:
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                                                          white;"><span
                                                          style="font-size:
                                                          11pt;
                                                          font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;
                                                          color: rgb(31,
                                                          73, 125);"
                                                          class="">In
                                                          particular you
                                                          will find the
                                                          most recent
                                                          work:</span><o:p
                                                          class=""></o:p></p>
                                                          <ul
                                                          style="margin-bottom:
                                                          0cm;" class=""
                                                          type="disc">
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
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                                                          font-family:
                                                          'Times New
                                                          Roman', serif;
                                                          color: rgb(31,
                                                          73, 125);
                                                          background-color:
                                                          white;
                                                          background-position:
                                                          initial
                                                          initial;
                                                          background-repeat:
                                                          initial
                                                          initial;"><span
                                                          style="font-size:
                                                          11pt;
                                                          font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;"
                                                          class="">On
                                                          the nature of
                                                          “stuff” and
                                                          the hierarchy
                                                          of forces</span><span
                                                          style="font-size:
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                                                          font-family:
                                                          Verdana,
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                                                          class=""><o:p
                                                          class=""></o:p></span></li>
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                                                          'Times New
                                                          Roman', serif;
                                                          color: rgb(31,
                                                          73, 125);
                                                          background-color:
                                                          white;
                                                          background-position:
                                                          initial
                                                          initial;
                                                          background-repeat:
                                                          initial
                                                          initial;"><span
                                                          style="font-size:
                                                          11pt;
                                                          font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;"
                                                          class="">Quantum
                                                          mechanical
                                                          probability
                                                          current as
                                                          electromagnetic
                                                          4-current from
                                                          topological EM
                                                          fields</span><span
                                                          style="font-size:
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                                                          Verdana,
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                                                          class=""><o:p
                                                          class=""></o:p></span></li>
                                                          </ul>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
                                                          style="margin:
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                                                          white;"><span
                                                          style="font-size:
                                                          11pt;
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                                                          sans-serif;
                                                          color: rgb(31,
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                                                          class="">Very
                                                          best regards,</span><o:p
                                                          class=""></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
                                                          style="margin:
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                                                          white;"><span
                                                          style="font-size:
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                                                          class="">Martin</span><o:p
                                                          class=""></o:p></p>
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                                                          class=""><span
                                                          style="font-size:
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                                                          class=""> </span><o:p
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                                                          class=""><span
                                                          style="font-size:
                                                          10pt;
                                                          font-family:
                                                          Arial,
                                                          sans-serif;
                                                          color: navy;"
                                                          class="">Dr.
                                                          Martin B. van
                                                          der Mark</span><o:p
                                                          class=""></o:p></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div
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                                                          class=""><span
                                                          style="font-size:
                                                          10pt;
                                                          font-family:
                                                          Arial,
                                                          sans-serif;
                                                          color: navy;"
                                                          class="">Principal
                                                          Scientist,
                                                          Minimally
                                                          Invasive
                                                          Healthcare</span><o:p
                                                          class=""></o:p></div>
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                                                          style="font-size:
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                                                          class="">Philips
                                                          Research
                                                          Europe -
                                                          Eindhoven</span><o:p
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                                                          class="">High
                                                          Tech Campus,
                                                          Building 34
                                                          (WB2.025)</span><o:p
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                                                          class="">Prof.
                                                          Holstlaan 4</span><o:p
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                                                          class="">5656
                                                          AE  Eindhoven,
                                                          The
                                                          Netherlands</span><o:p
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