<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello Albrecht,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you for your further comments and questions.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">De Broglie's “harmony of phases” argument is a little hard to follow or picture. His derivation is given in my article at <a href="https://www.academia.edu/9973842/The_Charged-Photon_Model_of_the_Electron_the_de_Broglie_Wavelength_and_a_New_Interpretation_of_Quantum_Mechanics" class="">https://www.academia.edu/9973842/The_Charged-Photon_Model_of_the_Electron_the_de_Broglie_Wavelength_and_a_New_Interpretation_of_Quantum_Mechanics</a>  on p. 5 in the section “Comparison of the charged-photon derivation to de Broglie’s derivation”<span style="word-spacing: -4px;" class="">.</span> "Harmony of phases" is generally accepted. I’m quite pleased that I was able with simple math to derive the electron's relativistic de Broglie wavelength without it. I also derived the electron’s relativistic matter-wave equation A e^i(kx-wt) for a free relativistic electron from the circulating charged photon model, based on the circulating charged photon emitting a plane wave along the charged photon’s helical trajectory, with the circulating charged photon’s wavelength h/(gamma mc) and frequency f = (gamma mc^2)/h, using the relation cos(theta) = v/c where theta is the forward angle of the charged photon’s helical trajectory. The intersection of this circulating plane wave with the longitudinal axis of the circulating charged photon’s helical trajectory generates the electron’s matter-wave equation with the relativistic de Broglie wavelength and phase velocity c^2/v . </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The momentum of the circulating charged photon is p = gamma mc because the energy E of the circulating charged photon is set equal the total energy E of moving electron E=gamma mc^2 and the energy-momentum relation for a photon is p= E/c:    p = E/c = (gamma mc^2) / c = gamma mc for the total momentum of the circulating charged photon along its helical trajectory. This total momentum's longitudinal component along the helical axis is p cos(theta)= gamma mc  x  v/c = gamma mv which is the relativistic momentum of the electron being modeled by the circulating charged photon. The transverse component of the charged photon's total momentum is mc .</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Since your “basic particles” don’t, as you state, have relativistic behavior, why not just have one circulating light-speed particle instead of two? Insisting on conservation of momentum between two circulating non-physical particles (for which there is no experimental evidence) doesn’t seem logical.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For your reference, my recent article is at <b class=""><a href="https://www.academia.edu/15686831/Electrons_are_spin_1_2_charged_photons_generating_the_de_Broglie_wavelength" class="">https://www.academia.edu/15686831/Electrons_are_spin_1_2_charged_photons_generating_the_de_Broglie_wavelength</a> .</b></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">No one knows why the electron’s rest mass is m = E(resting electron)/c^2 = 0.511 MeV/c^2 . The Higgs mechanism doesn’t predict m.  A photon carrying the energy E of the rest mass m of an electron has energy hf = E=mc^2 and momentum p=mc . So mc is more fundamental than m since this photon is not at rest but has momentum mc. If this photon is then converted into a resting electron, this electron now has internal invariant circulating momentum mc and a corresponding rest mass m which the original photon did not have. So the photon's original momentum mc, which precedes the electron’s formation, is more fundamental than the electron’s rest mass m.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">with best regards,</div><div class="">      Richard</div><div class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 4, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Dr. Albrecht Giese <<a href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" class="">genmail@a-giese.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
  
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello Richard,<br class="">
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      Am 02.10.2015 um 07:45 schrieb Richard Gauthier:<br class="">
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      <div class="">Hello Albrecht,</div>
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      <div class="">   Thank you for your detailed explanations. Yes, I
        will wait for your quantitative derivation of the relativistic
        de Broglie wavelength from your electron model. De Broglie’s
        original derivation has the internal frequency of his electron
        both increasing (due to its energy as gamma mc^2 = hf  AND also
        decreasing due to relativistic time dilation. He managed to
        reconcile both of these frequencies by his ingenious “harmony of
        phases” relationship. Your electron model only seems to have a
        decreasing frequency with increasing speed, where you say this
        decreasing frequency is due to time dilation. Without an
        increasing internal frequency proportional to the electron's
        energy gamma mc^2  I think you will have difficulty deriving the
        relativistic de Broglie wavelength. My model derives the de
        Broglie wavelength value h/(gamma mv) easily from the
        relativistic wavelength h/(gamma mc) of the circulating charged
        photon whose frequency is given by hf=gamma mc^2, without
        referring to relativistic time dilation.</div>
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    These are two questions or problems. One is the increase of the
    internal frequency of a particle at motion despite of dilation.
    There is an easy way to see how it in principle works. I said
    earlier that the dilation, so the reduction of the internal
    frequency, is over-compensated by the Dopplereffect, which is
    effective for an observer who receives the particle. Mathematically:
    If you divide the Doppler function (the source moving towards the
    observer) by the square of the gamma function, then the result is
    more than 1. This shows that the Doppler effect over-compensates the
    reduction of the frequency by dilation at least by gamma. The result
    should however be exactly one. When I am at home again (presently I
    am not) I will investigate my literature to get a precise result.<br class="">
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    Thank you for your note about the "harmony of phases". The idea
    takes care of the problem that on the one hand the frequency in an
    elementary particle follows E=mc^2=h*frequency, on the other hand
    the de Broglie wavelength does not follow this relation. What is the
    reason for that? In my present understanding the "harmony of
    phases"  was an ad hoc attempt of de Broglie to solve this problem
    mathematically. I do not have the impression that it is based on a
    true understanding of a physical process. I shall come back to this
    as soon as I am back at home.<br class="">
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      <div class="">    You say at one point: "We can reorder this
        equation: m*R*c = h(bar). The left side is now the classical
        definition of the orbital momentum at speed = c.”  But mc is not
        the momentum of a particle with rest mass traveling at c, i.e. p
        = mv where v is replaced by c. Could you have misunderstood p=mc
        for the relativistic equation for momentum p = gamma mv for a
        particle with rest mass m traveling at velocity v but never able
        to reach c. <br class="">
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    I have referred to the classical definition of angular momentum to
    show that the spin can be visualized for such a type of model (i.e.
    my model). Of course the units do not fit with exact numbers. If we
    treat the model as a classical gyroscope (what it definitely not is)
    then this equation describes the angular momentum. In that case <i class="">m
    </i>is of course the <i class="">effective </i>mass, in this case however
    not applicable in so far as there are no single "masses" in this
    model. (Mass is a dynamical process within the whole.) The speed c
    is not a problem in so far as the "basic particles" do not have a
    relativistic behavior. Relativistic effects are caused by the
    elementary particle as a whole as particularly visible for the
    phenomenon of dilation. But one point results very clearly from this
    view: The resulting angular momentum (=spin) is independent of other
    properties of the particle. That is a physical result here, not a
    result of some algebra. And the numerical result is very close to
    the correct one which is not a matter of course. <br class="">
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      <div class="">     However, the momentum quantity mc does appear
        in my circulating charged photon model as the invariant
        transverse component of the helically circulating charged
        photon’s total momentum gamma mc. </div>
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    Why is the momentum <i class="">gamma mc</i>? If the photon is subject to
    relativistic effects, on which level of your model is relativity
    founded? The increase of <i class="">m </i>by <i class="">gamma </i>must have some
    reason. Which reason is it? (I do not see Einstein's algebra as a
    reason.)<br class="">
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      <div class="">The longitudinal component of the charged photon’s
        circulating momentum is gamma mv, which is the momentum of the
        relativistic electron being modeled by the circulating charged
        photon. The transverse momentum component mc contributes to the
        spin hbar/2 of a slow moving or resting electron composed of a
        circulating photon  at radius hbar/2mc in this way:  Sz = r x p
        = hbar/2mc x mc = hbar/2 .  My charged photon model is a generic
        charged photon model, which needs a more detailed charged photon
        model incorporated into it that will give the charged photon
        model a spin hbar/2 also at relativistic velocities, since the
        electron has spin hbar/2  at all velocities. I have such a
        possible charged photon model that is internally superluminal
        and has spin hbar/2 at all energies, which might be incorporated
        into the generic charged photon model.</div>
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    This is a collection of equations which are listed here but not
    deduced or substantiated. I guess that they are (quantitative)
    consequences of the foundations of your model. I do not have details
    of your model here at hand as I am not at home. Is it difficult for
    you to give me just a quick reference? - The occurrence of
    superluminal speed is a problem in so far as it constitutes a new
    property which is very different from present understanding of
    physics. Better if we do not need such assumptions.<br class="">
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      <div class="">     You asked if someone besides you has an
        explanation of particle inertia. This invariant circulating
        transverse momentum component p=mc in my charged photon model of
        the electron gives my electron model an invariant rest mass m
        and so this circulating momentum component mc may be the origin
        of inertia or rest mass of material particles like the electron.</div>
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    In my understanding you put the logic here upside down. You refer to
    the momentum <i class="">p=mc</i>. But here is <i class="">m </i>the origin of the
    momentum. So, if mass is not defined, also this expression is
    undefined. - Only after the mass generation has been found, it makes
    sense to talk about momentum. No the other way around.<br class="">
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    Albrecht<br class="">
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          <div class="">On Oct 1, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Dr. Albrecht Giese
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              Richard,<br class="">
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                thank you for your list of explicit questions. That
                makes it easy to answer in a structured way. And I hope
                that my answers can also answer some of the other
                questions and doubts which came up during the last days
                and mails.<br class="">
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                    <div class="">Hello John and Albrecht and all,</div>
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                    <div class="">    Thanks John, I stand corrected on
                      the issue of your electron model not falling off
                      in lateral size as 1/gamma. </div>
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                    <div class="">    Albrecht, I am still not satisfied
                      with your electron model for a number of reasons:</div>
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                    <div class="">1) no experimental evidence for
                      multi-particle structure of the electron even at
                      high energies.</div>
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                Yes, this model makes it difficult to show
                experimentally this structure of the electron. It is
                difficult by the reason that both sub-particles do not
                have any mass. So the particle cannot be decomposed by
                bombardment, which is the normal way of investigating a
                particle structure in high energy physics (like a
                proton). On the other hand it should not be a problem to
                accept that a particle is big as a whole, but by a
                scattering experiment only a sub-particle is detected.
                That has a historical analogy in the Rutherford
                experiment, where Rutherford wished to measure the size
                of an atom but found the size of the nucleus. In case of
                the electron the experimenters look for the size of the
                electron but find the size of the basic particle.<br class="">
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                However there is now indeed an experimental evidence. As
                Frank Wilczek wrote in his article in Nature, in a
                specific situation (superconductivity in a magnetic
                field), half-electrons were detected. In his
                understanding it is a complete mystery. In the view of
                this particle model not so much a mystery.<br class="">
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                An important theoretical argument for a pair of
                sub-particles is the fact the there is an internal
                motion (mag. moment, spin), but the conservation of
                momentum must not be violated. This needs at least 2
                sub-particles.<br class="">
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                    <div class="">2) your light-speed charged, massless
                      circulating particles carry no resting inertia —
                      why not just call them circulating charged
                      photons, and just have one of them rather than
                      two, based on the lack of experimental evidence
                      for multi-particle structure of the electron? <br class="">
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                Arguments against a photon: A photon at c has inertia.
                With this assumption the model cannot work (look for the
                mechanism of inertia). And a photon does not have a
                single (or half) electric charge. And scattering of
                other charged particles (like quarks) at a photon would
                not display a size < 10^-18. A photon cannot be that
                small.<br class="">
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                Further the photon has spin of 1 h(bar), the electron
                has 1/2 of it. If the electron would be built by 2
                photons, the combined spin should be 0 or 2. Or there
                must be an additional orbital momentum which is
                otherwise not known in particle physics.
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                    <div class="">3) there is no clear model of a photon
                      in your system (maybe I missed it) and how
                      electron-positron pair production of your electron
                      model and positron model  would emerge from a
                      single photon in the vicinity of a nucleus (a
                      common method of pair production).</div>
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                I must admit that I do not have a consistent model for a
                photon. I tend to the idea of de Broglie that a photon
                is composed by 2 elementary particles. But I do not
                assume 2 neutrinos as de Broglie did but maybe of 4
                basic particles in a very special configuration. At
                least a photon has to have positive and negative
                electric charges inside, otherwise it would not react
                with electric charges as it does.<br class="">
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                If we assume that the photon is e.g. built by 2 other
                particles which are similar to electrons, pair
                production is quite plausible. On the other hand, the
                generation of elementary particles by interaction
                processes, which should mean in this context the
                generation of basic particles, needs some additional
                understanding. My model just uses generations like those
                but has no explanation yet for them. <br class="">
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                    </div>
                    <div class="">4) the two-dimensionality of your
                      electron model.  Delta x in the third dimension
                      appears to be zero and delta Px in the third
                      dimension is also zero. So delta x delta Px is
                      also zero , a strong violation of the Heisenberg
                      uncertainty principle.  Is that a problem for your
                      model?</div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                The orbital motion of the 2 sub-particles goes on in a
                2-dimensional area, that is true. Problem with
                Heisenberg's principle? (I prefer to say: the
                uncertainty relation, because nature is not determined
                by principles, as elementary particles etc. do not have
                a mind so that they can understand and follow
                principles.) The uncertainty is a "technical"
                consequence of the de Broglie wave which surrounds and
                guides a particle. Such wave can only be determined with
                uncertainty, that is the uncertainty found in
                measurements. I do not see any uncertainty in particles
                themselves as everywhere when we can measure parameters
                in an interaction, the conservation laws are fulfilled
                without an uncertainty.
                <blockquote cite="mid:560B9C78.10805@a-giese.de" type="cite" class="">
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                    <div class="">5) the fact that your model’s lateral
                      size doesn’t decrease as electron speed increases.
                      Since the 2 particles still move at light speed,
                      this would require that the frequency of their
                      circulation will reduce, rather than increase as
                      would be expected with the electron's increasing
                      energy as its speed increases. That also leaves
                      your high energy relativistic electron model about
                      100,000 times too big, compared with high energy
                      electron scattering experiments. </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                Irrespective to which direction an electron moves, the
                orbital frequency reduces by the factor gamma. This is
                simple geometry and the physical cause of dilation in
                SR. On the other hand, if the electron moves towards
                another object to undergo an interaction there, then the
                other object experiences an increase of frequency by the
                Doppler effect. This Doppler effect over-compensates the
                relativistic reduction. - By the way, this consideration
                was the starting point for de Broglie when he began to
                think about elementary particles, which ended with the
                Nobel price.
                <blockquote cite="mid:560B9C78.10805@a-giese.de" type="cite" class="">
                  <div class="moz-forward-container">
                    <div class="">To say that electron scattering occurs
                      in your model with only one of the two rotating
                      point-like particles and the other is pulled along
                      without inertial resistance doesn’t work for me
                      and seems very non-physical. <br class="">
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                As the "other" sub-particle has no inertial mass, it can
                follow any acceleration. This is (also) covered by
                Newton's law of inertia. But as both sub-particles are
                bound to each other by a field which is subject to the
                finite speed of light, the "other" one causes the
                inertia of the whole configuration by the delay of field
                propagation. - It is essential for the understanding of
                this model to understand the underlying mechanism of
                inertia. See further down.
                <blockquote cite="mid:560B9C78.10805@a-giese.de" type="cite" class="">
                  <div class="moz-forward-container">
                    <div class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div class="">6) the fact that the electron’s
                      z-component of spin 1/2 hbar is not clearly
                      present in your model whose radius is the reduced
                      Compton wavelength hbar/mc and not the Dirac
                      amplitude hbar/2mc which easily yields the
                      electron’s spin 1/2 , zitterbewegung frequency,
                      double-looping in a resting electron and the Dirac
                      720 degree rotational symmetry of the electron.
                      (This is the same problem I see with John M’s
                      electron model, which also doesn’t have a clear
                      spin 1/2 hbar since its radius is also hbar/mc and
                      not hbar/2mc .)</div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                The sub-particles in this model are bound to each other
                by a multi-pole field of the strong force. This field
                causes the inertia of the whole particle and so tries to
                inhibit any change of the motion state. As the
                sub-particles orbit at c and also the binding field
                moves at c, the one sub-particle does not receive the
                field of the other one from the opposite direction of
                the orbital motion, but the force has a component in the
                direction of the circumference of the orbit. This
                inhibits a change of the orbital motion and causes so an
                orbital momentum, i.e. a spin.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                For an approximate calculation: The mass is given by m =
                h(bar) / (R*c) . We can reorder this equation: m*R*c =
                h(bar). The left side is now the classical definition of
                the orbital momentum at speed = c. - This is not
                numerically applicable here as the model does not
                function as a classical gyroscope. But it shows how spin
                in principle works.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Regarding Dirac: What Dirac has done is algebra, not
                physics. It is often very practical to do algebra do
                solve physical problems, but we should always be aware
                of the fact that we have to trace the algebra back to
                the physical processes behind the calculation. And so
                also his period of 720 degrees is a kind of mathematical
                trick helpful for some calculations. But the physical
                space does in my understanding not have a periodicity of
                720 degrees.
                <blockquote cite="mid:560B9C78.10805@a-giese.de" type="cite" class="">
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                    <div class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div class="">7) the wave nature of your model is
                      not clear to me. What in your model produces the
                      electron's quantum wave nature, and how does your
                      moving electron model generate the relativistic de
                      Broglie wavelength quantitatively? Does it? You
                      seem to accept the pilot wave concept of de
                      Broglie-Bohm. Does your electron model display
                      quantum non-locality and entanglement as Bohm’s
                      does and which is also strongly experimentally
                      supported?</div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                The field which binds both sub-particles propagates into
                any direction in space. So it is existent also outside
                of this configuration "electron". As the electron
                circulates, it is an alternating field which emits waves
                into the surrounding space. When the particle moves, it
                takes the wave-field with it. This guides the particle
                as anticipated by de Broglie and, among other effects,
                causes the scattering structure at a double slit. <br class="">
                <br class="">
                Non-locality and entanglement: This was my original
                motivation to investigate theoretical physics
                (originally I am an experimentalist). But up to now I
                was not successful to find an explanation for that. -
                But that is another topic which has no direct relation
                to my model. - It is a new information for me that Bohm
                did have an explanation for entanglement.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                You are asking for the deduction of the de Broglie
                wavelength. For presenting a quantitative deduction I
                have to investigate some more details, and so I ask you
                for some patience. I shall come back to it.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Finally I would like to emphasize the fact that this
                model is the only one which explains inertia. As it is
                meanwhile admitted by mainstream physics, the Higgs
                model is not able to provide this. The necessary Higgs
                field does definitely not exist. <br class="">
                <br class="">
                The reason for mass is that any extended object has
                inertia, independent of "elementary masses" which may
                exist inside an object. The reason is the finiteness of
                the speed of light, by which binding fields, which must
                be present in any extended object, propagate. This is
                not an idea or a wage  possibility, but it is completely
                unavoidable. Applied to a particle model, a particle can
                only have inertial if it is extended. <br class="">
                <br class="">
                Question: Does anyone of you all here has another
                working model of inertia?<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Here I should end today. But I will be happy to get
                further - and critical - questions.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Best regards<br class="">
                Albrecht<br class="">
                <br class="">
                <blockquote cite="mid:560B9C78.10805@a-giese.de" type="cite" class="">
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                    <div class="">
                      <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                        <div class="">On Sep 29, 2015, at 1:48 AM, John
                          Williamson <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk" class="">John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk</a>>



                          wrote:</div>
                        <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
                        <div class="">
                          <div style="font-style: normal; font-variant:
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                            font-size: 10pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span class="">Dear everyone
                                especially Al, Albrecht and Richard,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span class="">I have been
                                meaning to weigh-in for some time, but
                                term has just started and I’m
                                responsible for hundreds of new
                                students, tens of PhD’s, there is only
                                one of me and my mind is working on less
                                than ten percent capacity.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span class="">I think we have
                                to distinguish between what is know,
                                experimentally, and our precious (to us)
                                little theoretical models. Please
                                remember everyone that theory is just
                                theory. It is fun to play with and that
                                is what we are all doing. The primary
                                thing is first to understand experiment
                                – and that is hard as there is a huge
                                amount of mis-information in our
                                “information” technology culture.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span class="">You are right,
                                Al, that Martin has not carried out
                                experiments, directly, himself, on the
                                electron size in both high energy and at
                                low energy, but I have.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span class="">I have many
                                papers, published in the most
                                prestigious journals, on precisely those
                                topics. They HAVE had much interest (in
                                total more than ten thousand citations).
                                I have sat up, late at night, alone,
                                performing experiments<span class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>both



                                with the largest lepton microscope ever
                                made (The EMC experiment at CERN) and
                                with my superb (best in the world at the
                                time) millikelvin Cryostat looking at
                                precisely the inner structure of single
                                electrons spread out over sizes much
                                (orders of magnitude) larger than my
                                experimental resolution. It is widely
                                said, but simply not true, that “no
                                experiment resolves the electron size”.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class=""> </span>This comes, largely,
                                from simple ignorance of what the
                                experiments show. I have not only seen
                                inside single electrons, but then used
                                the observed properties and structure,
                                professionally and in widely published
                                and cited work, to design new devices.
                                Have had them made and measured (in
                                collaboration with others), and seen
                                them thenwork both as expected, but also
                                to reveal deeper mysteries again
                                involving the electron size, its quantum
                                spin, its inner charge distribution and
                                so on. That work is still going on, now
                                carried by my old colleagues and by the
                                rest of the world. Nano – my device was
                                the first nanosemiconductor device.
                                Spintronics, designed the first devices
                                used for this. Inner workings of spin ,
                                and the exclusion principle Martin and I
                                hope to crack that soon! Fun! All
                                welcome!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span class="">Now where Martin
                                is coming from, and where he,
                                personally, late at night etc … HAS done
                                lots of professional experiments and has
                                been widely cited is in playing the same
                                kind of games with light that I have
                                done with electrons. This means that,
                                acting together, we really know what we
                                are talking about in a wide range of
                                physics. Especially particle scattering,
                                quantum electron transport, and light.
                                We may be making up the theories, but we
                                are not making up a wide and deep
                                understanding of experiment.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span class="">I take your point
                                – and you are so right -that there are
                                so many things one would like to read
                                and understand and has not yet got round
                                to. So much and so little time. Ore
                                papers written per second than one can
                                read per second. There is, however, no
                                substitute for actually having been
                                involved in those very experiments to
                                actually understand what they mean.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span class="">So what I am
                                about to say is not going to be
                                “shooting from the hip”, but is perhaps
                                more like having spent a couple of
                                decades developing a very large rail gun
                                which has just been loaded for its
                                one-shot at intergalactic exploration …</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                                will not take this badly …<span class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>it


                                is fun to think about this but here goes</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                                said (<span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
                                  125);" class="">making you blue</span>):</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                                experiment, but (at best) a calculation
                                based on some hypothtical input of your
                                choise.  Maybe it's good, maybe not.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                                initial;" class="">Not so: I have done
                                the experiments! Myself. This is exactly
                                why I started looking into the extant
                                models decades ago, found them sadly
                                lacking, and hence set out to devise new
                                ones that did agree with experiment at
                                both low and high energy. This is the
                                whole point! </span><span style="font-size: 5pt; font-family:
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                                white; background-position: initial
                                initial; background-repeat: initial
                                initial;" class="">The Sun scatters as a
                                point only those projectiles that don't
                                get close.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                                initial;" class="">True,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                                So far, no scattering off elecrtons has
                                gotten close enough to engage any
                                internal structure, "they" say (I#ll
                                defer to experts up-to-date).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
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                                white; background-position: initial
                                initial; background-repeat: initial
                                initial;" class="">Not so. Lots of
                                papers on this. Some by me. See e.g.
                                Williamson, Timmering, Harmans, Harris
                                and Foxon Phys Rev 42 p 7675. Also – I
                                am an expert (up to date) on HEP as
                                well. A more correct statement is that
                                no high-energy scattering experiment has
                                RESOLVED any internal structure in free
                                electrons. If this was all you knew (and
                                for many HEP guys it seems to be) then
                                one might interpret this as meaning the
                                electron was a point down to 10-18m. It
                                is not. It cannot be. It does not have
                                enough mass to account for its spin
                                (even if at lightspeed) if it is that
                                small. Work it out!</span></p>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size:
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                                Verdana; background-color: white;
                                background-position: initial initial;
                                background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder">
                            </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                              Cambria;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                                font-family: Verdana; background-color:
                                white; background-position: initial
                                initial; background-repeat: initial
                                initial;" class=""> <span style="color:
                                  rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Nevertheless,
                                  electrons are in constant motion at or
                                  near the speed of light
                                  (Zitterbewegung) and therefore at the
                                  time scales of the projectiles buzz
                                  around (zittern) in a certain amout of
                                  space, which seems to me must manifest
                                  itself as if there were spacially
                                  exteneded structure within the
                                  scattering cross-section.  Why not?</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
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                                white; background-position: initial
                                initial; background-repeat: initial
                                initial;" class="">Because this is no
                                good if one does not have the forces or
                                the mechanism for making it “zitter”.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
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                                font-family: Verdana; background-color:
                                white; background-position: initial
                                initial; background-repeat: initial
                                initial;" class="">More importantly
                                -experimentally- because that is not
                                what you see. If it was just zittering
                                in space one could see that zitter. What
                                you see (in deep inelastic lepton
                                scattering, for example), is that there
                                is no size scale for lepton scattering.
                                That is, that no structure is resolved
                                right down to 10^-18 metres. This is NOT
                                the same thing as an electron being a
                                point. That is why one says (if one
                                knows a bit about what one is talking
                                about) that it is “point-like” and not
                                “point” scattering. These qualifiers
                                ALWAYS matter. Point-like – not a point.
                                Charged photon- not a photon. Localised
                                photon – not a photon. Vice-Admiral- not
                                an admiral. Vice-president- more a
                                reason for not shooting the president!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
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                                font-family: Verdana; background-color:
                                white; background-position: initial
                                initial; background-repeat: initial
                                initial;" class="">That structure is not
                                resolved does NOT mean that the electron
                                is point.<span class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>This



                                is widely accepted as fact, but just
                                represents a (far too widespread)
                                superficial level of understanding. Any
                                inverse-square, spherically symettric
                                force-field has this property (eg
                                spherical planets if you do not actually
                                hit them). The real problem is to
                                understand how it can appear spherically
                                symettric and inverse square in
                                scattering while ACTUALLY being much
                                much larger than this. This is exactly
                                what I started out working on in 1980
                                and have been plugging away at ever
                                since. Exactly that! You need to explain
                                all of experiment: that is what this is
                                all about.  </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
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                                125); background-color: white;
                                background-position: initial initial;
                                background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Not to defend Albrecht's model
                                as he describes it, but many folks (say
                                Peter Rowlands at Liverpool, for
                                example) model elemtary particles in
                                terms of the partiicle itself
                                interacting with its induced virtual
                                image (denoted by Peter as the "rest of
                                the universe").   This "inducement" is a
                                kind of polarization effect.  Every
                                charge repells all other like charges
                                and attracts all other unlike charges
                                resulting in what can be modeled as a
                                virtual charge of the opposite gender
                                superimposed on itself in the static
                                approximation.  But, because the real
                                situation is fluid, the virtual charge's
                                motion is delayed as caused by finite
                                light speed, so that the two chase each
                                other. Etc. Looks something like
                                Albrecht's pairs.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                                font-family: Verdana; background-color:
                                white; background-position: initial
                                initial; background-repeat: initial
                                initial;" class="">Yes I know. This is
                                the same kind of maths as “image
                                charges” used all the time in modelling
                                the solid state. These are all models.
                                All models have features. We need to
                                confront them with experiment. Problem
                                with the pairs is you don’t see any
                                pairs. If one of the pair has zero
                                mass-energy it is not there at all. If
                                there was a pair, bound to each other
                                with some forces, then one would see
                                something similar to what one sees in
                                proton scattering (see below), and you
                                do not. One then has to explain why and
                                how this process occurs, every time. You
                                always (and only) see one thing for
                                electrons, muons. You see a single
                                object for the electron, and an internal
                                structure for the proton. This is what
                                your theory has to deal with. Really.
                                Properly. In detail. At all energies.</span><span style="font-size: 5pt; font-family:
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                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size:
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                                Verdana; background-color: white;
                                background-position: initial initial;
                                background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size:
                                5pt; font-family: Helvetica;
                                background-color: white;
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                                background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""></span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder">
                            </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                                font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(31, 73,
                                125); background-color: white;
                                background-position: initial initial;
                                background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">I too havn't read your 97 paper
                                yet, but I bet it's unlikely that you
                                all took such consideration into
                                account.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                                font-family: Verdana; background-color:
                                white; background-position: initial
                                initial; background-repeat: initial
                                initial;" class="">You could not know
                                this, but his could not be more wrong.
                                We did. You did not specify the bet.
                                Lets make it a beer. You owe me (and
                                Martin) a beer! If you have not yet read
                                the paper by the time we next meet I
                                think you should buy all the beers!
                                Deal?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                                font-family: Verdana; background-color:
                                white; background-position: initial
                                initial; background-repeat: initial
                                initial;" class="">The whole point of
                                the paper my reason for leaving high
                                energy physics at all, the seven years
                                of work Martin and I put into it to that
                                point, was exactly to resolve this
                                mystery – on the basis of an “electron
                                as a localised photon”. My subsequent
                                work has been to try to develop a proper
                                field theory to deal with the problems
                                inherent I the old model (unknown
                                forces) and in the Dirac theory (ad hoc
                                lump of mass) (amongst others). This is
                                the point of the new theory of light and
                                matter:an attempt to sort all that out.
                                You should read it too! Do that and I
                                will buy you a beer!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                                font-family: Verdana; background-color:
                                white; background-position: initial
                                initial; background-repeat: initial
                                initial;" class="">Now Richard, while I
                                am disagreeing with everyone I am going
                                to disagree with you too! You keep
                                saying that the electron apparent size
                                scales with gamma – and you keep
                                attributing me with agreeing with you
                                (and Martin and Viv and Chip). Let me
                                say this once and for all: I DO NOT
                                agree with this.<span class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Now


                                Viv and Chip must speak for themselves,
                                but I’m pretty sure Martin would
                                (largely – though not completely) agree
                                me here.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class=""> </span>I have said this many
                                times to you – though perhaps not
                                specifically enough.<span class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>It



                                is not quite wrong – but far too simple.
                                It scales ON AVERAGE so. I agree that it
                                changes apparent size- yes, but not with
                                gamma- no. How it actually scales was
                                discussed in the 1997 paper, and the
                                mathematics of this is explained (for
                                example) in my “Light” paper at SPIE
                                (see Eq. 19). Gamma = ½( x+ 1/x). Also,
                                this is amongst other things, in
                                Martin’s “Light is Heavy” paper. Really
                                the apparent size scales BOTH linearly
                                AND inverse linearly (as x and 1/x
                                then). It is the average of these that
                                gives gamma. This is how relativity
                                actually works. You do not put things
                                in, you get things out. You need to look
                                at this and understand how gamma is
                                related. Best thing is to go through the
                                maths yourself, then you will see.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                                font-family: Verdana; background-color:
                                white; background-position: initial
                                initial; background-repeat: initial
                                initial;" class="">The bottom line is
                                that the reason one does not resolve the
                                electron size is that, in a collision,
                                this size scales like light. It gets
                                smaller with increasing energy.
                                Linearly. Likewise the scattering
                                exchange photon scales like light.
                                Linearly. The ratio for head on
                                collisions remains constant – but the
                                exchange photon is always about an order
                                of magnitude bigger that the electron
                                (localised photon). This is WHY it can
                                be big (10^-13 m)<span class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>and


                                yet appear small. I said this in my
                                talk, but I know how hard it is to take
                                everything in.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                                font-family: Verdana; background-color:
                                white; background-position: initial
                                initial; background-repeat: initial
                                initial;" class="">One does not see
                                internal structure because of this
                                effect – and the fact that the electron
                                is a SINGLE object. Not composite – like
                                a proton (and Albrecht’s model).</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                                font-family: Verdana; background-color:
                                white; background-position: initial
                                initial; background-repeat: initial
                                initial;" class="">Now what would one
                                see with lepton scatting on protons? I
                                have dozens of papers on this (and
                                thousands of citations to those papers)
                                – so this is not shooting from the hip.
                                Let me explain as briefly and simply as
                                I can. Lock and load …</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                                font-family: Verdana; background-color:
                                white; background-position: initial
                                initial; background-repeat: initial
                                initial;" class="">At low energies
                                (expresses as a length much less than
                                10^-15 m or so), one sees point-like
                                scattering from, what looks like, a
                                spherically symettric charge
                                distribution. Ok there are differences
                                between positive projectiles (which
                                never overlap) and negative, but broad
                                brush this is so. There is then a
                                transitional stage where one sees proton
                                structure – some interesting resonances
                                and an effective “size” of the proton
                                (though recently this has been shown to
                                be (spectactularly interestingly)
                                different for electron and muon
                                scattering! (This means (obviously) that
                                the electron and muon have a different
                                effective size on that scale). At much
                                higher energies one begins to see
                                (almost) that characteristic point-like
                                scattering again, from some hard bits in
                                the proton. Rutherford atom all over
                                again. These inner parts have been
                                called “partons”. Initially, this was
                                the basis –incorrect in my view – of
                                making the association of quarks with
                                partons. Problem nowadays is that the
                                three valence quarks carry almost none
                                of the energy-momentum of the proton - -
                                keeps getting less and less as the
                                energies go up. I think this whole
                                quark-parton thing is largely bullshit.
                                Experimentally!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                              10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              Cambria;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                                font-family: Verdana; background-image:
                                none; background-attachment: scroll;
                                background-color: white;
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                                points. You are absolutely right to
                                quote the experiments on the relativity
                                of time with clocks and with muons. You
                                are also right that one is not much
                                better off with double loops (or any
                                other kinds of loops) than with two
                                little hard balls. This is a problem for
                                any model of the electron as a loop in
                                space (Viv, John M, Chip, John D – this
                                is why the electron cannot be a little
                                spatial loop – it is not consistent with
                                scattering experiments!). Now this is a
                                problem in space-space but not in more
                                complex spaces as Martin and I have
                                argued (see SPIE electron paper for up
                                to date description of this – from my
                                perspective). It is more proper to say
                                the loops are in “momentum space” though
                                this is not quite correct either. They
                                are in the space(s) they are in – all
                                nine degrees of freedom (dimensions if
                                you like) of them. None of the nine are
                                “space”. For me, they are not little
                                loops in space. In space they are
                                spherical. You are not correct – as the
                                DESY director said and as I said in the
                                “panel” discussion- that one would not
                                “see” this. One would. Only if one of
                                the balls were not there ( I like your
                                get out of saying that!), would one
                                observe what one observes. In my view,
                                however, if it is not there it is not
                                there. I’m open to persuasion if you can
                                give me a mechanism though!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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                                sort out tutorials ...<br class="">
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                                  on behalf of Dr. Albrecht Giese [<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>]<br class="">
                                  <b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,

                                  September 28, 2015 4:39 PM<br class="">
                                  <b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Richard

                                  Gauthier; Nature of Light and
                                  Particles - General Discussion<br class="">
                                  <b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:

                                  [General] research papers<br class="">
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                              <div class="">Richard,<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                you have asked some questions about my
                                electron model and I am glad to answer
                                them.<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                Does my model explain the relativistic
                                mass increase of the electron at motion?
                                Yes it does. According to my model the
                                mass of an electron is   m=h(bar) / (R<sub class="">el</sub>*c), where R<sub class="">el</sub>  is the radius for
                                the electron (which is equally valid for
                                all elementary particles). Now, as the
                                binding field in the electron contracts
                                at motion by gamma (as initially found
                                by Heaviside in 1888), also the size of
                                the electron contracts at motion by
                                gamma. So the mass of the electron
                                increases by gamma and also of course
                                its dynamical energy. - That is very
                                simple and elementary.  The same
                                considerations apply for the
                                relativistic momentum of the electron.<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                (This is all described in my web site<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ag-physics.org/rmass"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ag-physics.org/rmass">www.ag-physics.org/rmass</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;
                                you can also find it via Google by the
                                search string "origin of mass". There it
                                is within the first two positions of the
                                list, where the other one is of Frank
                                Wilczek; since 10 years we both are
                                struggling to be the number one.)<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                However, the contraction only occurs in
                                the direction of motion. So the cross
                                section of the electron is not changed
                                by the motion. And in so far this
                                contraction is not able to explain the
                                small size of the electron found in
                                scattering experiments. - Another point
                                is that this small size was also found
                                in scattering experiments at energies
                                smaller than 29 GeV. And, another
                                determination, in the Penning trap the
                                size of the electron turns out to be
                                < 10^-22 m.<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                So there must be something in the
                                electron which is much smaller than the
                                Compton wavelength. The model of two
                                orbiting sub-particles is an extremely
                                simple model which also explains a lot
                                else.<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                Regarding the uncertainty relation of
                                Heisenberg, I have a very "technical"
                                understanding of it as I have explained
                                it in our meeting. There is nothing
                                imprecise within the electron itself,
                                only the measurement has limited
                                precision. The reason is simple.
                                Normally an interaction of the electron
                                is an interaction of its de Broglie wave
                                with another object. This wave is a wave
                                packet, the size of which is round about
                                given by the size of the
                                electron-configuration (Compton
                                wavelength); the size of a wave packet
                                is not very precisely defined. And on
                                the other hand, the frequency of a
                                limited packet is not precisely
                                measurable. The relation of both
                                limitations is well known by electric
                                engineers, the rule is sometimes called
                                "Nyquist theorem". Now, as the frequency
                                is related to the energy of the
                                particle, the Nyquist theorem is
                                identical with Heisenberg's uncertainty
                                relation; only the interpretation of
                                quantum theorists is less technical.
                                They assume that the physical situation
                                itself is imprecise, not only the
                                measurement. Here I do not follow the QM
                                interpretation.<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                Albrecht<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                  26.09.2015 um 19:57 schrieb Richard
                                  Gauthier:<br class="">
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                                  <div class="">Albrecht, Al, Martin et
                                    al</div>
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                                  <div class="">   One solution that I
                                    think John W, Martin, Chip (I
                                    think), Vivian (as I remember) and I
                                    all agree on (I’m not sure about
                                    John M’s electron model) with our
                                    electron models is that the electron
                                    (as a circulating light-speed
                                    entity) decreases in size with
                                    increasing speed of the electron.
                                    Just as a photon’s wavelength (and
                                    presumably also its transverse size
                                    or extent) decreases proportionally
                                    as 1/E with a photon’s energy E=hf,
                                    a high energy relativistic electron
                                    (whose de Broglie wavelength is
                                    nearly equal to the wavelength of a
                                    high energy photon having the same
                                    total energy as the high energy
                                    electron) should also decrease its
                                    lateral size similarly with its
                                    energy. The lateral size of an
                                    electron decreases as 1/gamma
                                    according to John and Martin due to
                                    energy considerations. In my model
                                    the radius of the charged photon’s
                                    helical trajectory decreases as
                                    1/gamma^2 but with a more detailed
                                    extended (internally superluminal)
                                    model of the charged photon also
                                    decreases as 1/gamma . A 1/gamma
                                    decrease is enough to match the high
                                    energy (around 29GeV) scattering
                                    size of an electron found to be <
                                    10^-18 meters even though the size
                                    of the resting electron (on the
                                    order of the Compton wavelength) is
                                    around 10^-12 - 10^-13 m. So this I
                                    think is a solved problem with
                                    respect to our models.</div>
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                                  <div class="">    I don’t know if
                                    Albrecht’s electron model decreases
                                    as 1/gamma with increasing electron
                                    speed. I think not. But Albrecht’s
                                    model doesn’t I think take into
                                    account that the electron’s total
                                    energy increases proportionally with
                                    gamma and so the frequency of the 2
                                    circulating mass-less particles
                                    should also increase proportionally
                                    with gamma if the energy of his
                                    model is to correspond to the
                                    experimentally measured moving
                                    electron’s energy E= gamma mc^2 .
                                    That should require the radius of
                                    the 2-particle orbit to decrease
                                    with his electron model’s speed if
                                    the 2 orbiting particles are to
                                    continue to circulate at
                                    light-speed. So Albrecht's model’s
                                    size should also decrease at least
                                    as 1/gamma with its speed,and the
                                    need for the 2 massless particles in
                                    his model is unnecessary to explain
                                    the small size of the electron at
                                    high speeds.  As far as conservation
                                    of momentum requiring 2 circulating
                                    particles, John W.’s model proposes
                                    to solve this with his p-vot which
                                    causes the photon to curve into a
                                    double loop and produce the
                                    electron’s rest mass (as I
                                    understand it) and charge. But also
                                    the delta x delta p > hbar/2
                                    requirement of Heisenberg’s
                                    uncertainty principle for detectable
                                    variability in position and velocity
                                    means that probably for any Compton
                                    wavelength electron model the amount
                                    of violation of conservation of
                                    momentum of a single light-speed
                                    photon-like object looping around
                                    would not be experimentally
                                    detectable (and so allowed since it
                                    is not experimentally detected) as
                                    being (like a virtual particle in
                                    QED) under the wire of the
                                    Heisenberg uncertainty principle.</div>
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                                  <div class="">    Richard</div>
                                  <br class="">
                                  <div class="">
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                                      <div class="">On Sep 26, 2015, at
                                        8:57 AM, John Duffield <<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:johnduffield@btconnect.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:johnduffield@btconnect.com">johnduffield@btconnect.com</a>>



                                        wrote:</div>
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                                              case Martin is tied up,
                                              here’s his 1997 paper:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cybsoc.org/electron.pdf">http://www.cybsoc.org/electron.pdf</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>co-authored with John Williamson.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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                                              regards electron size,
                                              it’s field is what it is.
                                              In<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital#Electron_properties" class="" target="_blank" style="color: purple;
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                                                orbitals</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>electrons



                                              “exist as standing waves”.
                                              Standing wave, standing
                                              field. We can diffract
                                              electrons. I think the
                                              electron has size like a
                                              seismic wave has size. A
                                              seismic wave might have an
                                              amplitude of 1 metre, and
                                              a wavelength of a
                                              kilometre. But when it
                                              travels from A to B it
                                              isn’t just the houses on
                                              top of the AB line that
                                              shake. Houses shake a
                                              hundred miles away. And
                                              that seismic wave is still
                                              detectable on the other
                                              side f the Earth. It’s not
                                              totally different for an
                                              ocean wave, see<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Deep_water_wave.gif" class="" target="_blank" style="color: purple;
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                                              The amplitude might be 1m,
                                              but that isn’t the size of
                                              the wave, nor is the
                                              wavelength. The red test
                                              particles are still
                                              circulating deep below the
                                              water.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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                                              to imagine a wave going
                                              round and round, in a 
                                              double loop, then make it
                                              a tighter loop. Then have
                                              a look at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_knot_theory" class="" target="_blank" style="color: purple;
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                                              Photon momentum is a
                                              measure of resistance to
                                              change-in-motion for a
                                              wave propagating linearly
                                              at c. When it’s a 511keV
                                              wave going round and round
                                              at c, we don’t call it a
                                              photon any more. But it
                                              still exhibits resistance
                                              to change-in-motion. Only
                                              we don’t call it a
                                              momentum any more. We call
                                              it mass. Make sure you
                                              read<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.tardyon.de/mirror/hooft/hooft.htm" class="" target="_blank" style="color: purple;
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                                              It’s not the Nobel ‘t
                                              Hooft.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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                                                  [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" class="" target="_blank" style="color:
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                                                  Albrecht Giese<br class="">
                                                  <b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>26 September 2015 15:46<br class="">
                                                  <b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br class="">
                                                  <b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] research papers</span></div>
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                                            Roman', serif;">Hi Martin,
                                            Al, and all,<br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            thank you all for your
                                            contributions.<br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            <u class="">Regarding the
                                              size of the electron:</u><br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            As Al argued in his example
                                            of the sun: If the scattered
                                            object is passing by without
                                            touching, the angular
                                            distribution is independent
                                            of the size of the object
                                            (for the 1/r^2 case). But
                                            that changes if the
                                            scattered particle hits the
                                            body of the "ball". In a
                                            last experiment in 2004 at
                                            DESY there was an experiment
                                            performed in which electrons
                                            were scattered against
                                            quarks (of a proton). The
                                            "common" size of both
                                            particles resulted in a bit
                                            less than 10^-18 m. This
                                            limit is given by the ratio
                                            of scattered events which
                                            react different from the
                                            1/r^2 rule. - In this
                                            experiment it was also found
                                            that the electron is not
                                            only subject to the electric
                                            interaction but also to the
                                            strong interaction. I think
                                            that this is also important
                                            for assessing electron
                                            models.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            This result of the size
                                            seems in clear conflict with
                                            the evaluation of
                                            Schrödinger and Wilczek
                                            using the uncertainty
                                            relation. Schroedinger made
                                            the following statement to
                                            it: "Here I have got the
                                            following result for the
                                            size of the electron (i.e.
                                            the Compton radius). But we
                                            know that the electron is
                                            point-like. So, I must have
                                            an error in my evaluation.
                                            However, I do not find this
                                            error." So also for
                                            Schrödinger this was an
                                            unsolvable conflict.<br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            I think that if the electron
                                            would be point like on the
                                            one hand but oscillate far
                                            enough so as to fill the
                                            size of the Compton
                                            wavelength, this would be a
                                            violation of the
                                            conservation of momentum.
                                            Very clearly, a single
                                            object cannot oscillate.
                                            That was also obvious for
                                            Schrödinger and clearly his
                                            reason to call the internal
                                            motion "Zitterbewegung".
                                            This is a word which does
                                            not exist in the German
                                            vocabulary of physical
                                            terms. But Schrödinger
                                            hesitated (by good reason)
                                            to use the German word for
                                            "oscillation".<br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            On the other hand, if the
                                            electron is built by two
                                            sub-particles, this solves
                                            the problem. The
                                            sub-particle is point-like
                                            (at least with respect to
                                            its charge), but both
                                            sub-particles orbit each
                                            other, which reserves the
                                            momentum law, and the
                                            orbital radius is the
                                            reduced Compton wavelength.
                                            - The argument of Martin
                                            that a model of two
                                            sub-particles is "refuted by
                                            the experiment" is often
                                            heart but not applicable to
                                            my model. The usual argument
                                            is that a sufficient effort
                                            has been done to decompose
                                            an electron by a strong
                                            bombardment. This was also
                                            done here at DESY. But in my
                                            model the sub-particles have
                                            no mass on their own (the
                                            mass of the electron is
                                            caused by the dynamics of
                                            the binding field). And in
                                            such a case one of the
                                            sub-particles may be
                                            accelerated by an arbitrary
                                            amount, the other one can
                                            always follow without any
                                            force coming up. A
                                            decomposition by bombardment
                                            is therefore never possible.
                                            - I have discussed this
                                            point with the research
                                            director of DESY who was
                                            responsible for such
                                            experiments, and after at
                                            first objecting it, he
                                            admitted, that my model is
                                            not in conflict with these
                                            experiments.<br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            Martin: Where do I find your
                                            paper of 1997?<br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            <u class="">Regarding
                                              dilation:</u><br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            There is a lot of clear
                                            indications for dilation.
                                            Two examples:<br class="">
                                            -  The atomic clocks in the
                                            GPS satellites are slowed
                                            down which has to be
                                            compensated for<br class="">
                                            -  In the Muon storage ring
                                            at CERN the lifetime of
                                            these Muons was extended by
                                            the great amount ca. 250,
                                            which was in precise
                                            agreement with special
                                            relativity.<br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            Contraction, on the other
                                            hand, is in so far more a
                                            point of interpretation as
                                            it cannot be directly
                                            measured - in contrast to
                                            dilation.<br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            Best wishes<br class="">
                                            Albrecht<br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            <br class="">
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                                              26.09.2015 um 01:48
                                              schrieb<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>:</div>
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                                                       The water I was
                                                      trying to offer
                                                      was: might it not
                                                      be a good idea to
                                                      distinguish
                                                      clearly and
                                                      specifically
                                                      between the size
                                                      of a point and the
                                                      size of the volumn
                                                      in which this
                                                      point is
                                                      insessently moving
                                                      about.  If your 97
                                                      paper does that,
                                                      my appologies.
                                                       Does it?  Forgive
                                                      me, I have over a
                                                      couple hundred
                                                      papers I'd like to
                                                      have read and
                                                      digested laying
                                                      about, I do my
                                                      best but still
                                                      can't get to them
                                                      all.  The chances
                                                      are better,
                                                      however, if a
                                                      paper attracts
                                                      lots of attention
                                                      because it
                                                      predicted
                                                      something new to
                                                      be observed
                                                      empirically.  Did
                                                      it?  </span></div>
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                                                      I did not imply
                                                      that the work I
                                                      refered to is
                                                      better.  But, it
                                                      (in Rowland's
                                                      avantar) is
                                                      certainly as
                                                      extensive as
                                                      yours.  In any
                                                      case, it
                                                      potentially
                                                      undermines your
                                                      "shot-from-the-hip"
                                                      criticism of
                                                      Albrecht's program
                                                      by introducing a
                                                      feature to which
                                                      neither you nor
                                                      John refered to,
                                                      in my best memory,
                                                      at San Diego.  My
                                                      comment was not
                                                      intended ad
                                                      hominum, but made
                                                      on the presumtion
                                                      that you too have
                                                      hundreds of unread
                                                      papers available.
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                                                       Al</span></div>
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                                                          25. September
                                                          2015 um 19:56
                                                          Uhr<br class="">
                                                          <b class="">Von:</b> "Mark,



                                                          Martin van
                                                          der"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com"><martin.van.der.mark@philips.com></a><br class="">
                                                          <b class="">An:</b> "Nature



                                                          of Light and
                                                          Particles -
                                                          General
                                                          Discussion"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a><br class="">
                                                          <b class="">Betreff:</b> Re:



                                                          [General]
                                                          research
                                                          papers</span></div>
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                                                          just read what
                                                          i wrote. It is
                                                          not shooting
                                                          from the hip.
                                                          I am refering
                                                          to actual
                                                          experiments,
                                                          all cited in
                                                          the paper i
                                                          refered to.
                                                          Further, you
                                                          are just
                                                          repeating what
                                                          i said
                                                          already. I can
                                                          only bring you
                                                          to the water,
                                                          i cannot make
                                                          you drink. And
                                                          then you refer
                                                          to other
                                                          doubtfull
                                                          work, as id it
                                                          were better.
                                                          Good luck.</span></div>
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                                                          Martin<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Verstuurd
                                                          vanaf mijn
                                                          iPhone</span></div>
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                                                          Op 25 sep.
                                                          2015 om 19:16
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                                                          Martin,</span></div>
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                                                          it's my Texas
                                                          background,
                                                          but I think I
                                                          sense some
                                                          "shoot'n from
                                                          the hip."</span></div>
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                                                          have not done
                                                          an experiment,
                                                          but (at best)
                                                          a calculation
                                                          based on some
                                                          hypothtical
                                                          input of your
                                                          choise.  Maybe
                                                          it's good,
                                                          maybe not.  </span></div>
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                                                          Sun scatters
                                                          as a point
                                                          only those
                                                          projectiles
                                                          that don't get
                                                          close.   So
                                                          far, no
                                                          scattering off
                                                          electons has
                                                          gotten close
                                                          enough to
                                                          engage any
                                                          internal
                                                          structure,
                                                          "they" say
                                                          (I#ll defer to
                                                          experts
                                                          up-to-date).
                                                           Nevertheless,
                                                          electrons are
                                                          in constant
                                                          motion at or
                                                          near the speed
                                                          of light
                                                          (Zitterbewegung)
                                                          and therefore
                                                          at the time
                                                          scales of the
                                                          projectiles
                                                          buzz around
                                                          (zittern) in a
                                                          certain amout
                                                          of space,
                                                          which seems to
                                                          me must
                                                          manifest
                                                          itself as if
                                                          there were
                                                          spacially
                                                          exteneded
                                                          structure
                                                          within the
                                                          scattering
                                                          cross-section.
                                                           Why not?</span></div>
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                                                          to defend
                                                          Albrecht's
                                                          model as he
                                                          describes it,
                                                          but many folks
                                                          (say Peter
                                                          Rowlands at
                                                          Liverpool, for
                                                          example) model
                                                          elemtary
                                                          particles in
                                                          terms of the
                                                          partiicle
                                                          itself
                                                          interacting
                                                          with its
                                                          induced
                                                          virtual image
                                                          (denoted by
                                                          Peter as the
                                                          "rest of the
                                                          universe").  
                                                          This
                                                          "inducement"
                                                          is a kind of
                                                          polarization
                                                          effect.  Every
                                                          charge repells
                                                          all other like
                                                          charges and
                                                          attracts all
                                                          other unlike
                                                          charges
                                                          resulting in
                                                          what can be
                                                          modeled as a
                                                          virtual charge
                                                          of the
                                                          opposite
                                                          gender
                                                          superimposed
                                                          on itself in
                                                          the static
                                                          approximation.
                                                           But, because
                                                          the real
                                                          situation is
                                                          fluid, the
                                                          virtual
                                                          charge's
                                                          motion is
                                                          delayed as
                                                          caused by
                                                          finite light
                                                          speed, so that
                                                          the two chase
                                                          each other.
                                                          Etc. Looks
                                                          something like
                                                          Albrecht's
                                                          pairs.</span></div>
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                                                          too havn't
                                                          read your 97
                                                          paper yet, but
                                                          I bet it's
                                                          unlikely that
                                                          you all took
                                                          such
                                                          consideration
                                                          into account.</span></div>
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                                                          Al </span></div>
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                                                          25. September
                                                          2015 um 18:44
                                                          Uhr<br class="">
                                                          <b class="">Von:</b> "Mark,



                                                          Martin van
                                                          der" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com">martin.van.der.mark@philips.com</a>><br class="">
                                                          <b class="">An:</b> "Nature



                                                          of Light and
                                                          Particles -
                                                          General
                                                          Discussion"
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                                                          "<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:phys@a-giese.de"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:phys@a-giese.de">phys@a-giese.de</a>"
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                                                          <b class="">Betreff:</b> Re:



                                                          [General]
                                                          research
                                                          papers</span></div>
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                                                          Al, dear
                                                          Albrecht, dear
                                                          all,</span></div>
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                                                          the paper John
                                                          W and I
                                                          published in
                                                          1997, the
                                                          situation is
                                                          explained
                                                          briefly but
                                                          adequately.</span></div>
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                                                          Albrecht has
                                                          not read it
                                                          or, perhaps he
                                                          did but does
                                                          not want to
                                                          understand it
                                                          because it
                                                          really
                                                          destroys his
                                                          work. This is
                                                          a double pity,
                                                          of course, but
                                                          we are talking
                                                          science, not
                                                          sentiment, and
                                                          I do not want
                                                          to take away
                                                          anything from
                                                          the person you
                                                          are Albrecht.</span></div>
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                                                          electron has a
                                                          finite size,
                                                          of the oder of
                                                          the Compton
                                                          wavelength,
                                                          but the
                                                          Coulomb
                                                          interaction is
                                                          perfectly
                                                          matched in ANY
                                                          experiment,
                                                          which means
                                                          there are no
                                                          internal bits
                                                          to the
                                                          electron and
                                                          that it
                                                          behaves as a
                                                          point-LIKE
                                                          scatterer, not
                                                          a to be
                                                          mistaken by a
                                                          POINT as is
                                                          done most of
                                                          the time. Note
                                                          that even the
                                                          sun has
                                                          point-like
                                                          scattering for
                                                          all comets
                                                          that go round
                                                          it, its
                                                          gravitational
                                                          field seems to
                                                          come from the
                                                          centre of the
                                                          sun. Until you
                                                          hit other
                                                          bits. There
                                                          are no other
                                                          bits for the
                                                          electron, but
                                                          at very high
                                                          energy the
                                                          4-momentum
                                                          exchange
                                                          combined with
                                                          the resolving
                                                          power at that
                                                          high energy
                                                          make that a
                                                          Compton-size
                                                          object CANNOT
                                                          be resolved in
                                                          principle, if
                                                          and only if it
                                                          is of
                                                          electromagnetic
                                                          origin.</span></div>
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                                                          electron is a
                                                          single thing,
                                                          of
                                                          electromagnetic
                                                          origin only,
                                                          there is NO
                                                          OTHER WAY to
                                                          fit the
                                                          experimental
                                                          results.</span></div>
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                                                          maybe there is
                                                          another way,
                                                          but I cannot
                                                          see it.
                                                          Certainly it
                                                          is not two
                                                          parts rotating
                                                          about each
                                                          other, because
                                                          that is
                                                          refuted by
                                                          experiment,
                                                          all those
                                                          models can go
                                                          in the bin and
                                                          are a waste of
                                                          time and
                                                          energy.</span></div>
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                                                          Martin</span></div>
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                                                          Martin B. van
                                                          der Mark</span></div>
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                                                          Scientist,
                                                          Minimally
                                                          Invasive
                                                          Healthcare</span></div>
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                                                          a clear and
                                                          explicit
                                                          distinction
                                                          between the
                                                          "size" of the
                                                          electron and
                                                          the "extent"
                                                          of its
                                                          Zitterbewegung
                                                          be made.   My
                                                          best info,
                                                          perhaps not
                                                          up-to-date, is
                                                          that although
                                                          scattering
                                                          experiments
                                                          put an upper
                                                          limit on the
                                                          size
                                                          (10^-19m),
                                                          there exists
                                                          in fact no
                                                          evidence that
                                                          the electron
                                                          has any finite
                                                          size
                                                          whatsoever.
                                                           This is in
                                                          contrast to
                                                          the space it
                                                          consumes with
                                                          its
                                                          Zitter-motion,
                                                          which is what
                                                          would be
                                                          calculated
                                                          using QM
                                                          (Heisenberg
                                                          uncertanty
                                                          mostly).  
                                                           Seems to me
                                                          that most of
                                                          what folks
                                                          theorize about
                                                          is the latter,
                                                          without saying
                                                          so, and
                                                          perhaps often
                                                          without even
                                                          recognizing
                                                          it.  However,
                                                          since the
                                                          Zitter volumn
                                                          will cause
                                                          electrons to
                                                          be moving
                                                          targets, it
                                                          must also have
                                                          some effect on
                                                          its scatering
                                                          cross-section
                                                          too.  I don't
                                                          know how this
                                                          is sorted out
                                                          in scattering
                                                          calculations---if



                                                          at all.
                                                           (Albrectht?)</span></div>
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                                                          me if I'm
                                                          wrong.  Best,
                                                           Al</span></div>
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                                                          25. September
                                                          2015 um 15:06
                                                          Uhr<br class="">
                                                          <b class="">Von:</b> "Dr.



                                                          Albrecht
                                                          Giese" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>><br class="">
                                                          <b class="">An:</b> "Richard



                                                          Gauthier" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:phys@a-giese.de">phys@a-giese.de</a><br class="">
                                                          <b class="">Cc:</b> "Nature



                                                          of Light and
                                                          Particles -
                                                          General
                                                          Discussion"
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                                                          <b class="">Betreff:</b> Re:



                                                          [General]
                                                          research
                                                          papers</span></div>
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                                                          Richard,<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          according to
                                                          present
                                                          mainstream
                                                          physics the
                                                          size of the
                                                          electron is
                                                          not more than
                                                          10^-19 m. This
                                                          is concluded
                                                          from
                                                          scattering
                                                          experiments
                                                          where the size
                                                          of the
                                                          electric
                                                          charge is the
                                                          quantity of
                                                          influence.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          As present
                                                          mainstream
                                                          physics
                                                          (including the
                                                          QED of
                                                          Feynman)
                                                          assume that
                                                          the electron
                                                          has no
                                                          internal
                                                          structure and
                                                          that the
                                                          electric force
                                                          is the only
                                                          one effective,
                                                          this size is
                                                          identified
                                                          with the size
                                                          of the whole
                                                          electron. This
                                                          is in severe
                                                          conflict with
                                                          the
                                                          calculations
                                                          of Schrödinger
                                                          and of Wilczek
                                                          based on QM.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          I have the
                                                          impression
                                                          that several
                                                          of us
                                                          (including me)
                                                          have models of
                                                          the electron
                                                          which assume
                                                          some extension
                                                          roughly
                                                          compatible
                                                          with the QM
                                                          calculations.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Some details
                                                          of my model
                                                          related to
                                                          this question:
                                                          Here the
                                                          electron is
                                                          built by 2
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          ("basic
                                                          particles")
                                                          which orbit
                                                          each other at
                                                          c. The
                                                          electric force
                                                          is not the
                                                          only force
                                                          inside. The
                                                          radius
                                                          following from
                                                          the magnetic
                                                          moment is the
                                                          reduced
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength,
                                                          and the mass
                                                          of the
                                                          electron
                                                          follows with
                                                          high precision
                                                          from this
                                                          radius. At
                                                          motion the
                                                          size decreases
                                                          by the
                                                          relativistic
                                                          factor gamma,
                                                          and so the
                                                          mass increases
                                                          by this
                                                          factor. -
                                                          However there
                                                          was always a
                                                          point of a
                                                          certain
                                                          weakness in my
                                                          model: I could
                                                          not prove that
                                                          the electron
                                                          is built by
                                                          just 2
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          carrying 1/2
                                                          elementary
                                                          charge each.
                                                          Now Wilczek
                                                          writes in his
                                                          article that
                                                          in certain
                                                          circumstances
                                                          -
                                                          superconductivity
                                                          in the
                                                          presence of a
                                                          magnetic field
                                                          - the electron
                                                          is decomposed
                                                          into two
                                                          halves. This
                                                          is the result
                                                          of
                                                          measurements.
                                                          How can this
                                                          happen with a
                                                          point-like
                                                          particle? This
                                                          is a mystery
                                                          for Wilczek.
                                                          But in the
                                                          view of my
                                                          model it is no
                                                          mystery but
                                                          quite
                                                          plausible. It
                                                          only needs now
                                                          a quantitative
                                                          calculation of
                                                          this process
                                                          which I
                                                          presently do
                                                          not have.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          All the best
                                                          to you<br class="">
                                                          Albrecht<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                           <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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                                                          23.09.2015 um
                                                          19:02 schrieb
                                                          Richard
                                                          Gauthier:</span></div>
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                                                          <blockquote class="" type="cite" style="margin-top:
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                                                          Albrecht,</span></div>
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                                                           Yes, all of
                                                          our electron
                                                          models here
                                                          have a radius
                                                          related to the
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength.
                                                          Dirac’s
                                                          zitterbewegung
                                                          amplitude is
                                                          1/2 of the
                                                          reduced
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength, or
                                                          hbar/2mc ,
                                                          which is the
                                                          radius of the
                                                          generic
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged
                                                          photon’s
                                                          trajectory in
                                                          my circulating
                                                          spin 1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          model for a
                                                          resting
                                                          electron. That
                                                          radius
                                                          decreases by a
                                                          factor of
                                                          gamma^2 in a
                                                          moving
                                                          electron. Does
                                                          yours?
                                                          Incorporating
                                                          a more
                                                          detailed spin
                                                          1/2 charged
                                                          photon model
                                                          with the
                                                          generic model
                                                          could bring
                                                          the model's
                                                          radius up to
                                                          the reduced
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength
                                                          hbar/mc.</span></div>
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                                                            all the
                                                          best,</span></div>
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                                                                 Richard</span></div>
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                                                          Sep 22, 2015,
                                                          at 11:13 AM,
                                                          Dr. Albrecht
                                                          Giese <<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>>



                                                          wrote:</span></div>
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                                                          sans-serif;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          Richard,<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          thank you for
                                                          this reference
                                                          to the article
                                                          of Frank
                                                          Wilczek.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          He has a
                                                          quantum
                                                          mechanical
                                                          argument to
                                                          determine a
                                                          size for the
                                                          electron. It
                                                          is the
                                                          application of
                                                          the
                                                          uncertainty
                                                          relation to
                                                          the magnetic
                                                          moment of the
                                                          electron. The
                                                          result is as
                                                          you write: 2.4
                                                          x 10^-12 m,
                                                          which is the
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength of
                                                          the electron.<br class="">
                                                          This is a bit
                                                          similar to the
                                                          way as Erwin
                                                          Schrödinger
                                                          has determined
                                                          the size of
                                                          the electron
                                                          using the
                                                          Dirac function
                                                          in 1930. There
                                                          Schrödinger
                                                          determined the
                                                          "amplitude of
                                                          the
                                                          zitterbewegung"
                                                          also applying
                                                          the
                                                          uncertainty
                                                          relation to
                                                          the rest
                                                          energy of the
                                                          electron. It
                                                          was "roughly"
                                                          10^-13 m,
                                                          which also
                                                          meant in his
                                                          words the
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength of
                                                          the electron.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          In my electron
                                                          model its
                                                          radius is 3.86
                                                          x 10^-13 m,
                                                          which is
                                                          exactly the
                                                          "reduced"
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength.
                                                          But here it is
                                                          not an
                                                          expectation
                                                          value as in
                                                          the cases of
                                                          Wilczek and
                                                          Schrödinger
                                                          but the exact
                                                          radius of the
                                                          orbits of the
                                                          basic
                                                          particles.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Thank you
                                                          again and best
                                                          wishes<br class="">
                                                          Albrecht<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                           <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          21.09.2015 um
                                                          05:01 schrieb
                                                          Richard
                                                          Gauthier:</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="" type="cite" style="margin-top:
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          2013 Nature
                                                          comment “The
                                                          enigmatic
                                                          electron” by
                                                          Frank Wilczek
                                                          at <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com">http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com</a> is



                                                          worth a look.
                                                          He states that
                                                          due to QM
                                                          effects, the
                                                          size of the
                                                          electron is
                                                          about 2.4 x
                                                          10^-12 m,
                                                          which is
                                                          roughly in the
                                                          range of some
                                                          of our
                                                          electron
                                                          models.</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                              Richard</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <blockquote class="" type="cite" style="margin-top:
                                                          5pt;
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          Sep 16, 2015,
                                                          at 12:59 PM,
                                                          Wolfgang Baer
                                                          <<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com">wolf@nascentinc.com</a>>



                                                          wrote:</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          font-family:
                                                          Helvetica,
                                                          sans-serif;
                                                          background-color:
                                                          white;">I
                                                          should add you
                                                          sent me
                                                          Main-2014.pdf
                                                          and that may
                                                          be the one not
                                                          available on
                                                          the web sight.</span><br class="">
                                                          <span class="" style="font-size:



                                                          9pt;
                                                          font-family:
                                                          Helvetica,
                                                          sans-serif;
                                                          background-color:
                                                          white;">I was
                                                          looking for a
                                                          similar one
                                                          that included
                                                          the other
                                                          topics as
                                                          well.</span><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          <span class="" style="background-color:



                                                          white;">If you
                                                          do not have
                                                          it, its OK, I
                                                          just like
                                                          reading from
                                                          paper.</span><br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <span class="" style="background-color:



                                                          white;">best
                                                          wishes,</span><br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <span class="" style="background-color:



                                                          white;">Wolf</span></span><br class="">
                                                          <span class="" style="font-size:



                                                          9pt;
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                                                          <pre class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; background-color: white;">Dr. Wolfgang Baer</pre>
                                                          <pre class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; background-color: white;">Research Director</pre>
                                                          <pre class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; background-color: white;">Nascent Systems Inc.</pre>
                                                          <pre class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; background-color: white;">tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432</pre>
                                                          <pre class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; background-color: white;">E-mail <span class="" style="color: purple;"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" class="" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></span></pre>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          9/14/2015
                                                          12:45 PM, Dr.
                                                          Albrecht Giese
                                                          wrote:</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="" type="cite" style="margin-top:
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                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          Helvetica,
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                                                          <br class="">
                                                          You wrote a
                                                          long text, so
                                                          I will enter
                                                          my answers
                                                          within your
                                                          text.</span><br class="">
                                                          <span class="" style="font-size:



                                                          9pt;
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          14.09.2015 um
                                                          02:54 schrieb
                                                          John Macken:</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="" type="cite" style="margin-top:
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;">Hello



                                                          David and
                                                          Albrecht,</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;"> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;">It



                                                          was through
                                                          the contact
                                                          with this
                                                          group that I
                                                          was finally
                                                          able to
                                                          understand the
                                                          disconnect
                                                          that existed
                                                          between my
                                                          idea of vacuum
                                                          energy and the
                                                          picture that
                                                          others were
                                                          obtaining from
                                                          my use of the
                                                          term
                                                          “energy”.  
                                                          Many of the
                                                          mysteries of
                                                          quantum
                                                          mechanics and
                                                          general
                                                          relativity can
                                                          be traced to
                                                          the fact that
                                                          fields exist
                                                          and yet we do
                                                          not have a
                                                          clear idea of
                                                          what they
                                                          are.  My
                                                          answer is that
                                                          we live within
                                                          a sea of
                                                          vacuum
                                                          activity which
                                                          is the
                                                          physical basis
                                                          of the
                                                          mysterious
                                                          fields. I
                                                          combine all
                                                          fields into a
                                                          single
                                                          “spacetime
                                                          field” which
                                                          is the basis
                                                          of all
                                                          particles,
                                                          fields and
                                                          forces.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;"> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><b class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;">David</span></b><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;">,
                                                          you asked
                                                          about the
                                                          words<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>quantum,



                                                          quantifying
                                                          and
                                                          quantizing. I
                                                          did a word
                                                          search and I
                                                          did not use
                                                          the word
                                                          “quantizing”
                                                          in either the
                                                          email or the
                                                          attachment to
                                                          my last post. 
                                                          However, the
                                                          paper<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Energetic



                                                          Spacetime: The
                                                          New Aether</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>submitted to SPIE as part of the
                                                          conference
                                                          presentation,
                                                          used and
                                                          defines the
                                                          word
                                                          “quantization”.
                                                          This paper was
                                                          attached to
                                                          previous
                                                          posts, and is
                                                          available at
                                                          my website: <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://onlyspacetime.com/" class="" target="_blank" style="color:
                                                          purple;
                                                          text-decoration:
                                                          underline;">http://onlyspacetime.com/</a></span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;"> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><b class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;">Albrecht</span></b><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;">: 



                                                          I can combine
                                                          my answer to
                                                          you with the
                                                          clarification
                                                          for David of
                                                          the word
                                                          “quantify” and
                                                          its
                                                          derivatives. 
                                                          I claim that
                                                          my model of
                                                          the universe
                                                          “quantifies”
                                                          particles and
                                                          fields.  I
                                                          will start my
                                                          explanation of
                                                          this concept
                                                          by giving
                                                          examples of
                                                          models which
                                                          do not
                                                          “quantify”
                                                          particles and
                                                          fields.  There
                                                          have been
                                                          numerous
                                                          particle
                                                          models from
                                                          this group and
                                                          others which
                                                          show an
                                                          electron model
                                                          as two balls
                                                          orbiting
                                                          around a
                                                          center of
                                                          mass.  Most of
                                                          the group
                                                          identifies
                                                          these balls as
                                                          photons but
                                                          Albrecht names
                                                          the two balls
                                                          “charges of
                                                          the strong
                                                          force”.  Both
                                                          photons and
                                                          charges of
                                                          strong force
                                                          are just
                                                          words. To be
                                                          quantifiable,
                                                          it is
                                                          necessary to
                                                          describe the
                                                          model of the
                                                          universe which
                                                          gives the
                                                          strong force
                                                          or the
                                                          electromagnetic
                                                          force.  What
                                                          exactly are
                                                          these? How
                                                          much energy
                                                          and energy
                                                          density does
                                                          one charge of
                                                          strong force
                                                          have? Can a
                                                          photon occupy
                                                          a volume
                                                          smaller than a
                                                          reduced
                                                          Compton
                                                          wavelength in
                                                          radius? Does a
                                                          muon have the
                                                          same basic
                                                          strong force
                                                          charge but
                                                          just rotate
                                                          faster? Are
                                                          the charges of
                                                          strong force
                                                          or photons
                                                          made of any
                                                          other more
                                                          basic
                                                          component?</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <div class=""><br class="">
                                                          <span class="" style="font-family:



                                                          Helvetica,
                                                          sans-serif;">Regarding



                                                          charge: This
                                                          is a basic
                                                          entity in my
                                                          model. At some
                                                          point a
                                                          physical
                                                          theory has to
                                                          start. My
                                                          model starts
                                                          with the
                                                          assumption
                                                          that a charge
                                                          is an "atomic"
                                                          entity, so
                                                          possibly
                                                          point-like,
                                                          which emits
                                                          exchange
                                                          particles (in
                                                          this point I
                                                          follow the
                                                          general
                                                          understanding
                                                          of QM). There
                                                          are two types
                                                          of charges:
                                                          the electric
                                                          ones which we
                                                          are very
                                                          familiar with,
                                                          having two
                                                          signs, and the
                                                          strong ones,
                                                          which are not
                                                          so obvious in
                                                          everyday
                                                          physics; they
                                                          also have two
                                                          signs. In the
                                                          physical
                                                          nature we find
                                                          the charges of
                                                          the strong
                                                          force only in
                                                          configurations
                                                          made of those
                                                          different
                                                          signs, never
                                                          isolated. This
                                                          is in contrast
                                                          to the
                                                          electric
                                                          charges.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          The basic
                                                          particles are
                                                          composed of a
                                                          collection of
                                                          charges of the
                                                          strong force
                                                          so that both
                                                          basic
                                                          particles are
                                                          bound to each
                                                          other in a way
                                                          that they keep
                                                          a certain
                                                          distance. This
                                                          distance
                                                          characterizes
                                                          an elementary
                                                          particle. In
                                                          several (or
                                                          most) cases
                                                          there is
                                                          additionally
                                                          an electric
                                                          charge in the
                                                          basic
                                                          particle.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          The two
                                                          parameters I
                                                          have to set -
                                                          or to find -
                                                          are the shape
                                                          of the strong
                                                          field in the
                                                          elementary
                                                          particle. Here
                                                          I have defined
                                                          an equation
                                                          describing a
                                                          minimum
                                                          multi-pole
                                                          field to make
                                                          the elementary
                                                          particle
                                                          stable. The
                                                          other setting
                                                          is the
                                                          strength of
                                                          this field.
                                                          This strength
                                                          can be found
                                                          e.g. using the
                                                          electron
                                                          because the
                                                          electron is
                                                          well known and
                                                          precisely
                                                          measured. This
                                                          field is then
                                                          applicable for
                                                          all leptons as
                                                          well as for
                                                          all quarks. It
                                                          is also
                                                          applicable for
                                                          the photon
                                                          with the
                                                          restriction
                                                          that there may
                                                          be a
                                                          correction
                                                          factor caused
                                                          by the fact
                                                          that the
                                                          photon is not
                                                          fundamental in
                                                          the sense of
                                                          this model but
                                                          composed of
                                                          (maybe) two
                                                          other
                                                          particles.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          The size of
                                                          the photon is
                                                          (at least
                                                          roughly)
                                                          described by
                                                          its
                                                          wavelength.
                                                          This follows
                                                          from the mass
                                                          formula
                                                          resulting from
                                                          my model, as
                                                          with this
                                                          assumption the
                                                          (dynamic) mass
                                                          of the photon
                                                          is the correct
                                                          result.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          As I wrote,
                                                          the results of
                                                          this model are
                                                          very precise,
                                                          the prove is
                                                          in practice
                                                          only limited
                                                          by limitations
                                                          of the
                                                          measurement
                                                          processes.</span><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;"> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;">I
                                                          could go on
                                                          with more
                                                          questions
                                                          until it is
                                                          possible to
                                                          calculate the
                                                          properties of
                                                          an electron
                                                          from the
                                                          answers.  So
                                                          far both
                                                          models lack
                                                          any
                                                          quantifiable
                                                          details except
                                                          perhaps a
                                                          connection to
                                                          the particle’s
                                                          Compton
                                                          frequency.  I
                                                          am not
                                                          demanding
                                                          anything more
                                                          than I have
                                                          already done. 
                                                          For example, I
                                                          cannot
                                                          calculate the
                                                          electron’s
                                                          Compton
                                                          frequency or
                                                          the fine
                                                          structure
                                                          constant. 
                                                          However, once
                                                          I install
                                                          these into the
                                                          model that I
                                                          create, and
                                                          combine this
                                                          with the
                                                          properties of
                                                          the spacetime
                                                          field, then I
                                                          get an
                                                          electron. 
                                                          Installing a
                                                          muon’s Compton
                                                          frequency
                                                          generates a
                                                          muon with the
                                                          correct
                                                          electric
                                                          field,
                                                          electrostatic
                                                          force,
                                                          curvature of
                                                          spacetime,
                                                          gravitational
                                                          force and de
                                                          Broglie
                                                          waves.  I am
                                                          able to
                                                          quantify the
                                                          distortion of
                                                          spacetime
                                                          produced by a
                                                          charged
                                                          particle, an
                                                          electric field
                                                          and a photon. 
                                                          I am able to
                                                          test these
                                                          models and
                                                          show that they
                                                          generate both
                                                          the correct
                                                          energy density
                                                          and generate a
                                                          black hole
                                                          when we reach
                                                          the distortion
                                                          limits of the
                                                          spacetime
                                                          field.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          Helvetica,
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                                                          my model the
                                                          Compton
                                                          frequency of
                                                          the electron
                                                          (and of the
                                                          other leptons)
                                                          follows
                                                          directly from
                                                          the size of
                                                          the particle
                                                          and the fact
                                                          that the basic
                                                          particle move
                                                          with c. The
                                                          fine structure
                                                          constant tells
                                                          us the
                                                          relation of
                                                          the electric
                                                          force to the
                                                          strong force.
                                                          This
                                                          explanation
                                                          follows very
                                                          directly from
                                                          this model,
                                                          however was
                                                          also found by
                                                          other
                                                          theorists
                                                          using algebra
                                                          of particle
                                                          physics.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Another result
                                                          of the model
                                                          is that
                                                          Planck's
                                                          constant -
                                                          multiplied by
                                                          c - is the
                                                          field constant
                                                          of the strong
                                                          force. Also
                                                          this is the
                                                          result of
                                                          other models
                                                          (however not
                                                          of mainstream
                                                          physics).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;"> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
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                                                          model starts
                                                          with a
                                                          quantifiable
                                                          description of
                                                          the properties
                                                          of spacetime. 
                                                          The spacetime
                                                          model has a
                                                          specific
                                                          impedance
                                                          which
                                                          describes the
                                                          properties of
                                                          waves that can
                                                          exist in
                                                          spacetime.
                                                          Then the
                                                          amplitude and
                                                          frequency of
                                                          the waves in
                                                          spacetime is
                                                          quantified. 
                                                          This
                                                          combination
                                                          allows the
                                                          energy density
                                                          of spacetime
                                                          to be
                                                          calculated and
                                                          this agrees
                                                          with the
                                                          energy density
                                                          of zero point
                                                          energy. The
                                                          particle
                                                          models are
                                                          then defined
                                                          as ½<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>ħ<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>units of quantized angular
                                                          momentum
                                                          existing in
                                                          the spacetime
                                                          field.  This
                                                          model is
                                                          quantifiable
                                                          as to size,
                                                          structure,
                                                          energy, etc. 
                                                          Also the fact
                                                          that the rate
                                                          of time and
                                                          proper volume
                                                          is being
                                                          modulated, it
                                                          is possible to
                                                          calculate the
                                                          effect that
                                                          such a
                                                          structure
                                                          would have on
                                                          the
                                                          surrounding
                                                          volume of
                                                          spacetime.  It
                                                          is possible to
                                                          calculate the
                                                          effect if the
                                                          spacetime-based



                                                          particle model
                                                          would have if
                                                          the coupling
                                                          constant was
                                                          equal to 1
                                                          (Planck
                                                          charge), To
                                                          get charge<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">e</i>, it is necessary
                                                          to manually
                                                          install the
                                                          fine structure
                                                          constant. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          do you get the
                                                          value<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Helvetica,
                                                          sans-serif;">½<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>ħ</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          the angular
                                                          momentum? What
                                                          is the
                                                          calculation
                                                          behind it? - I
                                                          understand
                                                          that in your
                                                          model the
                                                          electric
                                                          charge is a
                                                          parameter
                                                          deduced from
                                                          other facts.
                                                          Which ones?
                                                          From alpha?
                                                          How do you
                                                          then get
                                                          alpha?<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          I personally
                                                          have in so far
                                                          a problem with
                                                          all
                                                          considerations
                                                          using
                                                          spacetime as I
                                                          have quite
                                                          thoroughly
                                                          investigated
                                                          how Einstein
                                                          came to the
                                                          idea of this
                                                          4-dimentional
                                                          construct. His
                                                          main
                                                          motivation was
                                                          that he wanted
                                                          in any case to
                                                          avoid an
                                                          ether. And in
                                                          his
                                                          discussions
                                                          with Ernst
                                                          Mach he had to
                                                          realize that
                                                          he was running
                                                          into a lot of
                                                          problems with
                                                          this
                                                          assumption. He
                                                          could solve
                                                          these problems
                                                          in general by
                                                          his "curved
                                                          spacetime".
                                                          But this
                                                          concept still
                                                          causes logical
                                                          conflicts
                                                          which are
                                                          eagerly
                                                          neglected by
                                                          the followers
                                                          of Einstein's
                                                          relativity
                                                          (and which do
                                                          not exist in
                                                          the Lorentzian
                                                          way of
                                                          relativity).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;"> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          sans-serif;">The



                                                          quantifiable
                                                          properties of
                                                          spacetime
                                                          imply that
                                                          there should
                                                          be boundary
                                                          conditions
                                                          which imply
                                                          that the waves
                                                          in spacetime
                                                          should be
                                                          nonlinear. 
                                                          When the
                                                          nonlinear
                                                          component is
                                                          calculated and
                                                          treated as
                                                          separate
                                                          waves, the
                                                          characteristics
                                                          of the
                                                          particle’s
                                                          gravitational
                                                          field are
                                                          obtained
                                                          (correct:
                                                           curvature,
                                                          effect on the
                                                          rate of time,
                                                          force and
                                                          energy
                                                          density).</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          sans-serif;"> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;">In



                                                          my last post I
                                                          have given an
                                                          answer about
                                                          the factor of
                                                          10<sup class="">120</sup><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>difference between the observable
                                                          energy density
                                                          of the
                                                          universe and
                                                          the
                                                          non-observable
                                                          energy of the
                                                          universe. 
                                                          This
                                                          non-observable
                                                          energy density
                                                          is absolutely
                                                          necessary for
                                                          QED
                                                          calculations,
                                                          zero point
                                                          energy, the
                                                          uncertainty
                                                          principle,
                                                          Lamb shift,
                                                          spontaneous
                                                          emission and
                                                          quantum
                                                          mechanics in
                                                          general. This
                                                          non-observable
                                                          energy density
                                                          is responsible
                                                          for the
                                                          tremendously
                                                          large
                                                          impedance of
                                                          spacetime c<sup class="">3</sup>/G.



                                                          Since I can
                                                          also show how
                                                          this
                                                          non-observable
                                                          energy density
                                                          is obtainable
                                                          from
                                                          gravitational
                                                          wave
                                                          equations, it
                                                          is necessary
                                                          for<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">you</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>to show how all these effects can
                                                          be achieved
                                                          without
                                                          spacetime
                                                          being a single
                                                          field with
                                                          this
                                                          non-observable
                                                          energy
                                                          density.  In
                                                          fact, the name
                                                          non-observable
                                                          only applied
                                                          to direct
                                                          observation.
                                                          The indirect
                                                          evidence is
                                                          everywhere. 
                                                          It forms the
                                                          basis of the
                                                          universe and
                                                          therefore is
                                                          the
                                                          “background
                                                          noise” of the
                                                          universe.  For
                                                          this reason it
                                                          is not
                                                          directly
                                                          observable
                                                          because we can
                                                          only detect
                                                          differences in
                                                          energy.  The
                                                          constants<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">c,</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">G</i>,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">ħ</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">ε<sub class="">o</sub></i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>testify that spacetime is not an
                                                          empty void. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          to now I did
                                                          not find any
                                                          necessity for
                                                          zero-point
                                                          energy. And I
                                                          find it a
                                                          dangerous way
                                                          to assume
                                                          physical facts
                                                          which cannot
                                                          be observed.
                                                          The greatest
                                                          argument in
                                                          favour of this
                                                          energy is its
                                                          use in Feynman
                                                          diagrams. But
                                                          is there
                                                          really no
                                                          other way? I
                                                          have a lecture
                                                          of Feynman
                                                          here where he
                                                          states that
                                                          his formalism
                                                          has good
                                                          results. But
                                                          that he has no
                                                          physical
                                                          understanding
                                                          why it is
                                                          successful. In
                                                          my
                                                          understanding
                                                          of the
                                                          development of
                                                          physics this
                                                          is a weak
                                                          point.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          The
                                                          discrepancy of
                                                          10^120 between
                                                          assumed and
                                                          observed
                                                          energy is
                                                          taken as a
                                                          great and
                                                          unresolved
                                                          problem by
                                                          present main
                                                          stream
                                                          physics. Those
                                                          representatives



                                                          would have all
                                                          reason to find
                                                          a solution to
                                                          keep present
                                                          QM clean. But
                                                          they are not
                                                          able to. This
                                                          causes me some
                                                          concern.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          The constants
                                                          you have
                                                          listed: c is
                                                          the speed of
                                                          light what
                                                          ever the
                                                          reason for it
                                                          is. (I have a
                                                          model, but it
                                                          is a bit
                                                          speculative.)
                                                          But it has
                                                          nothing to do
                                                          with energy. G
                                                          is the
                                                          gravitational
                                                          constant which
                                                          is as little
                                                          understood as
                                                          gravity
                                                          itself.
                                                          Planck's
                                                          constant I
                                                          have
                                                          explained, it
                                                          is (with c)
                                                          the field
                                                          constant of
                                                          the strong
                                                          force (any
                                                          force has to
                                                          be described
                                                          by a field
                                                          constant); and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i class=""><span class="" style="font-family:



                                                          Helvetica,
                                                          sans-serif;">ε<sub class="">o</sub></span></i><span class="apple-converted-space"><span class="" style="font-size: 9pt;
                                                          font-family:
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                                                          the field
                                                          constant of
                                                          the electric
                                                          force with a
                                                          similar
                                                          background.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          spacetime was
                                                          an empty void,
                                                          why should
                                                          particles have
                                                          a speed limit
                                                          of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">c</i>?
                                                          For a thought
                                                          experiment,
                                                          suppose that
                                                          two spaceships
                                                          leave earth
                                                          going opposite
                                                          directions and
                                                          accelerate
                                                          until they
                                                          reach a speed
                                                          of 0.75<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">c</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>relative to the earth.  The earth
                                                          bound observer
                                                          sees them
                                                          separating at
                                                          1.5<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">c</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>but the rules of relativistic
                                                          addition of
                                                          velocity has a
                                                          spaceship
                                                          observer
                                                          seeing the
                                                          other
                                                          spaceship
                                                          moving away at
                                                          only 0.96<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">c</i>.  How is this
                                                          possible if
                                                          spacetime is
                                                          an empty
                                                          void.  My
                                                          model of the
                                                          universe
                                                          answers this
                                                          because all
                                                          particles,
                                                          fields and
                                                          forces are
                                                          also made of
                                                          the spacetime
                                                          field and they
                                                          combine to
                                                          achieve
                                                          Lorentz
                                                          transformations
                                                          which affects
                                                          ruler length
                                                          and clocks. 
                                                          None of this
                                                          can happen
                                                          unless
                                                          spacetime is
                                                          filled with
                                                          dipole waves
                                                          in spacetime
                                                          and everything
                                                          is made of the
                                                          single
                                                          component. 
                                                          The universe
                                                          is only
                                                          spacetime.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          two spaceships
                                                          move at 0.75 c
                                                          in opposite
                                                          direction, the
                                                          observer at
                                                          rest may add
                                                          these speeds
                                                          and may get
                                                          1.5 c as a
                                                          result. Why
                                                          not? If an
                                                          observer in
                                                          one of the
                                                          spaceships
                                                          measures the
                                                          relative speed
                                                          of the other
                                                          spaceship, the
                                                          result will be
                                                          less then c
                                                          (as you write
                                                          it). The
                                                          reason is the
                                                          well known
                                                          fact that the
                                                          measurement
                                                          tools
                                                          accessible for
                                                          the observer
                                                          in the ship
                                                          are changed
                                                          and run
                                                          differently at
                                                          this high
                                                          speed. The
                                                          reason for
                                                          these changes
                                                          is for time
                                                          dilation the
                                                          internal speed
                                                          c in
                                                          elementary
                                                          particles. For
                                                          contraction it
                                                          is the
                                                          contraction of
                                                          fields at
                                                          motion which
                                                          is a fact
                                                          independent of
                                                          relativity
                                                          (and which was
                                                          already known
                                                          before
                                                          Einstein). In
                                                          addition when
                                                          the speed of
                                                          another object
                                                          is to be
                                                          measured
                                                          several clocks
                                                          are to be used
                                                          positioned
                                                          along the
                                                          measurement
                                                          section. These
                                                          clocks are
                                                          de-synchronized
                                                          in relation to
                                                          the clocks of
                                                          the observer
                                                          at rest. These
                                                          phenomena
                                                          together cause
                                                          the
                                                          measurement
                                                          result < c.
                                                          You find these
                                                          considerations
                                                          in papers and
                                                          books about
                                                          the Lorentzian
                                                          interpretation
                                                          of relativity.
                                                          So, following
                                                          Lorentz, there
                                                          is no reason
                                                          to assume
                                                          Einstein's
                                                          spacetime.</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          <div class="">
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                                                          M.</span></div>
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                                                          I should read
                                                          your book. But
                                                          that chould
                                                          take a lot of
                                                          time, I am
                                                          afraid.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Albrecht<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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                                                          Albrecht Giese
                                                          [<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">mailto:genmail@a-giese.de</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          <b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, September 13, 2015 1:43 PM<br class="">
                                                          <b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>John Macken<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:john@macken.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:john@macken.com"><john@macken.com></a>;
                                                          'Nature of
                                                          Light and
                                                          Particles -
                                                          General
                                                          Discussion'<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" class="" target="_blank" style="color:
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                                                          <b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] research papers</span></div>
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                                                          John,<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          great that you
                                                          have looked so
                                                          deeply into
                                                          the model
                                                          which I have
                                                          presented.
                                                          Thank you.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          There are some
                                                          questions
                                                          which I can
                                                          answer quite
                                                          easily. I
                                                          think that
                                                          this model in
                                                          fact explains
                                                          several points
                                                          just in
                                                          contrast to
                                                          main stream
                                                          physics. In
                                                          standard
                                                          physics the
                                                          electron (just
                                                          as an example)
                                                          is a
                                                          point-like
                                                          object without
                                                          any internal
                                                          structure. So,
                                                          how can a
                                                          magnetic
                                                          moment be
                                                          explained? How
                                                          can the spin
                                                          be explained?
                                                          How can the
                                                          mass be
                                                          explained? The
                                                          position of
                                                          main stream
                                                          physics is:
                                                          That cannot be
                                                          explained but
                                                          is subject to
                                                          quantum
                                                          mechanics. And
                                                          the fact that
                                                          it cannot be
                                                          explained
                                                          shows how
                                                          necessary QM
                                                          is.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          In contrast,
                                                          if the
                                                          electron is
                                                          assumed to
                                                          have a
                                                          structure like
                                                          in the model
                                                          presented,
                                                          these
                                                          parameters can
                                                          be explained
                                                          in a classical
                                                          way, and this
                                                          explanation is
                                                          not merely a
                                                          qualitative
                                                          one but has
                                                          precise
                                                          quantitative
                                                          results.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          To  your
                                                          questions in
                                                          detail:<br class="">
                                                          The fact of
                                                          two basic
                                                          particles is
                                                          necessary to
                                                          explain the
                                                          fact of an
                                                          oscillation
                                                          and to fulfil
                                                          the
                                                          conservation
                                                          of momentum. A
                                                          single object
                                                          (as
                                                          point-like)
                                                          cannot
                                                          oscillate. The
                                                          basic
                                                          particles are
                                                          composed of
                                                          charges of the
                                                          strong force.
                                                          In this model
                                                          the strong
                                                          force is
                                                          assumed to be
                                                          the universal
                                                          force in our
                                                          world
                                                          effective on
                                                          all particles.
                                                          A charge is a
                                                          fundamental
                                                          object in the
                                                          scope of this
                                                          model. There
                                                          are two kinds
                                                          of charges
                                                          according to
                                                          the two kinds
                                                          of forces in
                                                          our world, the
                                                          strong one and
                                                          the electric
                                                          one. The weak
                                                          force is in
                                                          fact the
                                                          strong force
                                                          but has a
                                                          smaller
                                                          coupling
                                                          constant
                                                          caused by
                                                          geometric
                                                          circumstances.
                                                          And gravity is
                                                          not a force at
                                                          all but a
                                                          refraction
                                                          process, which
                                                          is so a side
                                                          effect of the
                                                          other forces.
                                                          And, by the
                                                          way, gravity
                                                          is not curved
                                                          spacetime.
                                                          This is not
                                                          necessary, and
                                                          besides of
                                                          this,
                                                          Einstein's
                                                          spacetime
                                                          leads to
                                                          logical
                                                          conflicts.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          The forces
                                                          (i.e. strong
                                                          force) inside
                                                          an elementary
                                                          particle are
                                                          configured in
                                                          a way that at
                                                          a certain
                                                          distance there
                                                          is a potential
                                                          minimum and in
                                                          this way the
                                                          distance
                                                          between the
                                                          basic
                                                          particles is
                                                          enforced. So,
                                                          this field has
                                                          attracting and
                                                          repulsive
                                                          components.
                                                          Outside the
                                                          elementary
                                                          particle the
                                                          attracting
                                                          forces
                                                          dominate to
                                                          make the
                                                          particle a
                                                          stable one.
                                                          And those
                                                          field parts
                                                          outside have
                                                          an opposite
                                                          sign. Now, as
                                                          the basic
                                                          particles are
                                                          orbiting each
                                                          other, the
                                                          outside field
                                                          is an
                                                          alternating
                                                          field (of the
                                                          strong forth).
                                                          If this field
                                                          propagates, it
                                                          is builds a
                                                          wave. This
                                                          wave is
                                                          described by
                                                          the
                                                          Schrödinger
                                                          equation and
                                                          fulfils the
                                                          assumptions of
                                                          de Broglie.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          With the
                                                          assumption of
                                                          two basic
                                                          particles
                                                          orbiting at c
                                                          and subject to
                                                          strong force,
                                                          the parameters
                                                          mass, magnetic
                                                          moment, spin
                                                          result from it
                                                          numerically
                                                          correctly
                                                          without
                                                          further
                                                          assumptions.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          This model
                                                          does not need
                                                          any vacuum
                                                          energy or
                                                          virtual
                                                          particles.
                                                          Those are
                                                          simply not
                                                          necessary and
                                                          they are
                                                          anyway very
                                                          speculative
                                                          because not
                                                          directly
                                                          observable.
                                                          And in the
                                                          case of the
                                                          vacuum energy
                                                          of the
                                                          universe we
                                                          are confronted
                                                          with the
                                                          discrepancy of
                                                          10^120 which
                                                          you also
                                                          mention in
                                                          your paper
                                                          attached to
                                                          your mail.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          The Coulomb
                                                          law can be
                                                          easily
                                                          explained by
                                                          the assumption
                                                          (standard at
                                                          quantum
                                                          mechanics)
                                                          that a force
                                                          is realized by
                                                          exchange
                                                          particles. The
                                                          density of
                                                          exchange
                                                          particles and
                                                          so the
                                                          strength of
                                                          the field
                                                          diminishes by
                                                          1/r^2, which
                                                          is simple
                                                          geometry.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          So John, this
                                                          is my
                                                          position. Now
                                                          I am curious
                                                          about your
                                                          objections of
                                                          further
                                                          questions.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Best regards<br class="">
                                                          Albrecht<br class="">
                                                           </span></p>
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                                                          11.09.2015 um
                                                          23:51 schrieb
                                                          John Macken:</span></div>
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                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          Albrecht and
                                                          All,</span></div>
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                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          have attached
                                                          a one page
                                                          addition that
                                                          I will make to
                                                          my book. It is
                                                          a preliminary
                                                          explanation of
                                                          my model of
                                                          the spacetime
                                                          field.  It has
                                                          been very
                                                          helpful to me
                                                          to interact
                                                          with this
                                                          group because
                                                          I now
                                                          understand
                                                          better the key
                                                          stumbling
                                                          block for some
                                                          scientists to
                                                          accept my
                                                          thesis. 
                                                          Therefore I
                                                          have written
                                                          the attached
                                                          introduction
                                                          to ease the
                                                          reader of my
                                                          book into my
                                                          model. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><b class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;">Albrecht:</span></b><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>I appreciate your email.  We agree
                                                          on several
                                                          points which
                                                          include the
                                                          size of the
                                                          electron and
                                                          there is a
                                                          similarity in
                                                          the
                                                          explanation of
                                                          gravity.  The
                                                          key points of
                                                          disagreement
                                                          are the same
                                                          as I have with
                                                          the rest of
                                                          the group. 
                                                          Your
                                                          explanation of
                                                          a fundamental
                                                          particle is
                                                          not really an
                                                          explanation. 
                                                          You substitute
                                                          a fundamental
                                                          particle such
                                                          as an electron
                                                          with two
                                                          “basic
                                                          particles”. 
                                                          Have we made
                                                          any progress
                                                          or did we just
                                                          double the
                                                          problem?  What
                                                          is your basic
                                                          particles made
                                                          of?  What is
                                                          the physics
                                                          behind the
                                                          force of
                                                          attraction
                                                          between the
                                                          particles?
                                                          What is the
                                                          physics behind
                                                          an electric
                                                          field? How
                                                          does your
                                                          model create
                                                          de Broglie
                                                          waves? How
                                                          does your
                                                          model create a
                                                          gravitational
                                                          field (curved
                                                          spacetime)? 
                                                          Can you derive
                                                          the Coulomb
                                                          law and
                                                          Newtonian
                                                          gravitational
                                                          equation from
                                                          your model? <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;">These



                                                          might seem
                                                          like unfair
                                                          questions, but
                                                          my model does
                                                          all of these
                                                          things. All it
                                                          requires is
                                                          the reader
                                                          accept the
                                                          fact that the
                                                          vacuum
                                                          possesses
                                                          activity which
                                                          can be
                                                          characterized
                                                          as a type of
                                                          energy density
                                                          that is not
                                                          observable (no
                                                          rest mass or
                                                          momentum). 
                                                          This is no
                                                          different that
                                                          accepting that
                                                          QED
                                                          calculations
                                                          should be
                                                          believed when
                                                          they assume
                                                          vacuum energy
                                                          or that zero
                                                          point energy
                                                          really
                                                          exists. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><b class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;">Albrecht</span></b><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;">,
                                                          perhaps I have
                                                          come on too
                                                          strong, but I
                                                          have decided
                                                          to take a
                                                          firmer stand. 
                                                          You just
                                                          happen to be
                                                          the first
                                                          person that I
                                                          contrast to my
                                                          model.  I am
                                                          actually happy
                                                          to discuss the
                                                          scientific
                                                          details in a
                                                          less
                                                          confrontational
                                                          way.  I just
                                                          wanted to make
                                                          an initial
                                                          point.</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          M.</span></div>
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                                                          [</span><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          Albrecht Giese<br class="">
                                                          <b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, September 11, 2015 9:52 AM<br class="">
                                                          <b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" class="" target="_blank" style="color:
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                                                          <b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] research papers</span></div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          John Macken,<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          I would like
                                                          to answer a
                                                          specific topic
                                                          in your mail
                                                          below. You
                                                          write "...
                                                          would have
                                                          particular
                                                          relevance to
                                                          the concept
                                                          that the Higgs
                                                          field is
                                                          needed to give
                                                          inertia to
                                                          fermions".<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          We should not
                                                          overlook that
                                                          even
                                                          mainstream
                                                          physicists
                                                          working on
                                                          elementary
                                                          particles
                                                          admit that the
                                                          Higgs theory
                                                          is not able to
                                                          explain
                                                          inertia.  I
                                                          give you as a
                                                          reference:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
                                                          </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:
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                                                          D. Brass, The
                                                          cosmological
                                                          constant
                                                          puzzle,
                                                          Journal of
                                                          Physics G,
                                                          Nuclear and
                                                          Particle
                                                          Physics 38,
                                                          4(2011)
                                                          43201< ,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:
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                                                          has the result
                                                          that the Higgs
                                                          field, which
                                                          causes inertia
                                                          according to
                                                          the theory, is
                                                          by at least 56
                                                          orders of
                                                          magnitude too
                                                          small to
                                                          explain the
                                                          mass of the
                                                          elementary
                                                          particles.
                                                          (Another
                                                          weakness is
                                                          the fact that
                                                          the Higgs
                                                          theory does
                                                          not tell us
                                                          the mass of
                                                          any elementary
                                                          particle even
                                                          if all other
                                                          parameters are
                                                          known.)<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          As you may
                                                          remember, in
                                                          our meeting I
                                                          have presented
                                                          a model
                                                          explaining
                                                          inertia which
                                                          does not only
                                                          work as a
                                                          general idea
                                                          but provides
                                                          very precise
                                                          results for
                                                          the mass of
                                                          leptons. The
                                                          mass is
                                                          classically
                                                          deduced from
                                                          the size of a
                                                          particle.  It
                                                          also explains
                                                          the mass of
                                                          quarks, but
                                                          here the
                                                          verification
                                                          is more
                                                          difficult, due
                                                          to the lack of
                                                          measurements.
                                                          In addition I
                                                          have shown
                                                          that the model
                                                          also explains
                                                          the (dynamic)
                                                          mass of
                                                          photons, if
                                                          the size of a
                                                          photon is
                                                          related to its
                                                          wavelength.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          You may find
                                                          details in the
                                                          proceedings of
                                                          our San Diego
                                                          meeting, but
                                                          also on the
                                                          following web
                                                          sites:<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          </span><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          color:
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                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;"><br class="">
                                                          </span><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          sans-serif;
                                                          color:
                                                          purple;"><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ag-physics.org/electron"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ag-physics.org/electron">www.ag-physics.org/electron</a></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          <br class="">
                                                          You may also
                                                          find the sites
                                                          by Google
                                                          search
                                                          entering the
                                                          string "origin
                                                          of mass". You
                                                          will find it
                                                          on position 1
                                                          or 2 of the
                                                          list, where it
                                                          has constantly
                                                          been during
                                                          the past 12
                                                          years.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          If you have
                                                          any questions
                                                          about it,
                                                          please ask me.
                                                          I will be
                                                          happy about
                                                          any
                                                          discussion.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          With best
                                                          regards<br class="">
                                                          Albrecht Giese</span><br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <span class="" style="font-size:



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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          04.09.2015 um
                                                          18:40 schrieb
                                                          John Macken:</span></div>
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
                                                          Calibri,
                                                          sans-serif;">I
                                                          wanted to
                                                          remind you
                                                          that I think
                                                          that you
                                                          should update
                                                          your article
                                                          “Light Is
                                                          Heavy” to
                                                          include the
                                                          mathematical
                                                          proof that
                                                          confined light
                                                          has exactly
                                                          the same
                                                          inertia as
                                                          particles with
                                                          equal energy. 
                                                          Accelerating a
                                                          reflecting box
                                                          causes
                                                          different
                                                          photon
                                                          pressure which
                                                          results in a
                                                          net inertial
                                                          force.  I
                                                          already
                                                          reference your
                                                          Light Is Heavy
                                                          article in my
                                                          book, but
                                                          expanding the
                                                          article would
                                                          be even
                                                          better.  An
                                                          expanded
                                                          article would
                                                          have
                                                          particular
                                                          relevance to
                                                          the concept
                                                          that the Higgs
                                                          field is
                                                          needed to give
                                                          inertia to
                                                          fermions. The
                                                          Higgs field is
                                                          not needed to
                                                          give inertia
                                                          to confined
                                                          light. 
                                                          Furthermore,
                                                          confined light
                                                          exerts exactly
                                                          the correct
                                                          inertia and
                                                          kinetic
                                                          energy, even
                                                          at
                                                          relativistic
                                                          conditions.  I
                                                          have not seen
                                                          a proof that
                                                          the Higgs
                                                          field gives
                                                          exactly the
                                                          correct amount
                                                          of inertia or
                                                          kinetic energy
                                                          to fermions. 
                                                          Any particle
                                                          model that
                                                          includes
                                                          either a
                                                          confined
                                                          photon or
                                                          confined waves
                                                          in spacetime
                                                          propagating at
                                                          the speed of
                                                          light gets
                                                          inertia and
                                                          kinetic energy
                                                          from the same
                                                          principles as
                                                          confined light
                                                          in a
                                                          reflecting
                                                          box.</span></div>
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                                                          <div class="">
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family:
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                                                          M.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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                                                          [</span><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          Martin van der<br class="">
                                                          <b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, September 04, 2015 6:34 AM<br class="">
                                                          <b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of Light and Particles -
                                                          General
                                                          Discussion<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" class="" target="_blank" style="color:
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                                                          <b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[General] research papers</span></div>
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                                                          recent (and
                                                          old) work can
                                                          be found on
                                                          Researchgate:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:
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                                                          particular you
                                                          will find the
                                                          most recent
                                                          work:</span></p>
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                                                          the nature of
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                                                          the hierarchy
                                                          of forces</span><span class="" style="font-size:
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                                                          mechanical
                                                          probability
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