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To group:<br>
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I would like to point out that, except for occasional hints to the
contrary, the mind set of this discussion does not properly take
into account the nature of the observer and specifically the 1'st
person, you, the reader. I've attached a companion paper to the
paper I submitted to the SPIE conference. In this one I analyzed
Einsteins Special Relativity derivation by pointing out the role
that Einstein himself and all who follow him have taken on an
implicit assumption describing reality as an independent background
space. <br>
Sentences like " when an observer in one coordinate system looks
at another he sees time dilating ..." etc. are examples of an
illusion in which the creator of the analysis takes on a god like
perspective that assumes one observer simply looks over at another
clock as though this is possible. What has been forgotten is that
each observer is implemented as his own coordinate frame and space
as well as all objects observed in it are internal displays which
interpret interactions of the coordinate frame with other such
frames. Space is a sensation just like any other sensation and
requires understanding of the internal interpretive processing
between interaction hits and their interpretative display. <br>
I've had discussions along this point with Albrecht Giese,
who would like to put off the introduction of the 1'st person,
develop a better 3'd person physics, and then reintroduce
explanations of our 1'st person experience as a subsequent exercise.
I fully understand this approach since it is based upon the only
sane philosophical metaphysics our main stream culture has
available. No one would get a job criticizing this view point. <br>
However as Kracklauer On 10/12/2015 4:42 AM, pointed out " Two
entities cannot at once be both be dialted in the other's view and
not their own. The real trick here is explaing how this is not
obvious to authors of text books!" It is not obvious because physics
is defined to be the study of that independent reality that does not
include you and I as conscious beings who are doing the processing
that makes a 3D world and its physics appear in the first place. If
the self is included we call it a religion and physicists do not
want to have anything to do with it. <br>
Unfortunately if we do not break out of this self imposed
limit, we will continue to develop more and more intricate models
that miss the central point, which Eddington warned us about, that
is, we project properties of our knowledge gathering methodology
into the reality we think we are measuring.<br>
<br>
Best of luck<br>
Wolf<br>
<br>
Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/2015 2:54 AM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a> wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi all:</div>
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<div>See: book citation below:</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag,
12. Oktober 2015 um 23:42 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Mark, Martin van der"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com"><martin.van.der.mark@philips.com></a><br>
<b>An:</b> "Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "'Nick Bailey'"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nick@bailey-family.org.uk"><nick@bailey-family.org.uk></a>, "'Anthony Booth'"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:abooth@ieee.org"><abooth@ieee.org></a>, "'Ariane Mandray'"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ariane.mandray@wanadoo.fr"><ariane.mandray@wanadoo.fr></a>, "'ARNOLD BENN'"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arniebenn@mac.com"><arniebenn@mac.com></a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General] nature of light particles
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
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rgb(31,73,125);">Dear John D,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
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rgb(31,73,125);">Indeed, perspective, this was
the main conclusion from a set of extensive
discussions about the meaning of relativity I
held with Phil Butler when I was I New Zealand
working at Canterbury University in Christ
Church a few years ago. As humans we are very
used to coping with the projections of 3D space
we perceive, but we only learned how to deal
with it in drawings and paintings some 500
hundred years ago. They key point to it is
called perspective. Your example of the small
man (in the distance) seeing me as a small man
(at the same distance) is great, thank you, it
is priceless. In relativity this concept is
extended to time as well (slow clock for fast
man sees slow clock of other fast man). It is
all a matter of perspective, much more than most
physicist even think it is. The apparent
shortening and rotation of fast objects is
another example of perspective, as is looking
around corners of fast getaway cars to see the
gunman firing at you (if you know that example
at all).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color:
rgb(31,73,125);">It is time for a proper book:
Perspective in relativity. It may exist
already….</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">AK: In this regard, one might
try: D. E. Liebscher, "Einsteins
Relativitätstheorie und die Geometrien der Ebene"
(Tubener, Leipzig, 99) ISBN: 3-519-00278-7.
There is a translation into English: D. E. L.
"The Geometry of Time" , Wiley-VCH, Weiheim, 05),
ISBN: 978-3-527-40567-1. (The translator appears
not to have been a native English
speaker/translator, nor a professional physicist.
Looks OK at first, but I found it hard to follow,
although I'm a native English spearker. Gave up
and turned to the German version, which is clear
with conventional physics terminology.)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">---Regards, Al</p>
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rgb(31,73,125);">Very best regards, Martin</span></p>
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