<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3522"><span>All</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3522"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3522"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3781">FWIW the preprint can be found on Arxiv and the paper at DESY</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3522"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3522" dir="ltr"><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ex/0401009" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3956">[hep-ex/0401009] Search for contact interactions, large extra dimensions and finite quark radius in ep collisions at HERA</a></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3522" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3522" dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.desy.de/~phch/conf/ichep06/hiq2/8/ZEUS-prel-06-018.pdf" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3774">http://www.desy.de/~phch/conf/ichep06/hiq2/8/ZEUS-prel-06-018.pdf</a><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_4337"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_4973">Best regards,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_4973"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_4974">David</div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3773"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3772"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3771"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3770"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3777"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3769"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Dr. Albrecht Giese <genmail@a-giese.de><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> davidmathes8@yahoo.com; "phys@a-giese.de" <phys@a-giese.de>; Richard Gauthier <richgauthier@gmail.com>; 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion' <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>; Richard Gauthier <richgauthier@gmail.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 16, 2015 6:03 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [General] research papers<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3995"><br><div id="yiv0505623334"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3994">
<big id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445006229343_3993">David,<br clear="none">
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here follows the reference to the DESY experiment:<br clear="none">
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"Search for contact interactions, large extra dimensions and
finite quark radius in <i>ep </i>collisions at HERA",<br clear="none">
ZEUS Collaboration, Physics Letters B 591 (2004) 23-41<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I should explain something about the historical context. <br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
It was found in experiments that there are (inelastic)
interactions between electrons and quarks. Such interactions are
excluded in the Standard Model of particle physics. So the ad-hoc
assumption was made that there is a new particle, which couples to
leptons and
to quarks. It was named leptoquark. Since that time several
experiments have been done to isolate a leptoquark in an
interaction between electrons and quarks.
This was done at DESY and at the Tevatron. That search was without
success up to now.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
There is another motivation to have an interaction between leptons
and quarks. There are the same number of charges between both in
our world, and there are further similarities between leptons and
quarks. Those could be explained if leptons and quarks could be
exchanged to each other.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
At present it does not look like the Standard Model will be
changed at this point. Instead there is an ongoing search for
leptoquarks. But should those not be found (as it looks at
present), then there may be no other choice than to change the SM
such that a lepton is subject to the strong force. In that case
(which I expect to be the final one) leptons, and so also
electrons, have to be described by a model which comprises the
strong force. <br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
This DESY experiment of referenced above also confirms the
otherwise known fact that the cross section of the electron-quark
scattering excludes a radius of more than 10<sup>-18</sup> m for
the sum of electron and quark.<br clear="none">
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Is this the information you expect?<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Best regards<br clear="none">
Albrecht<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv0505623334moz-cite-prefix">Am 14.10.2015 um 16:14 schrieb <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a>:<br clear="none">
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<div id="yiv0505623334yui_3_16_0_1_1444831758864_3458">A lepton with strong
force...that is rather interesting. </div>
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<div id="yiv0505623334yui_3_16_0_1_1444831758864_3458">I could not find the
DESY 2004 reference. Do you have it handy?</div>
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<div id="yiv0505623334yui_3_16_0_1_1444831758864_3458">David</div>
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<hr size="1"> <font id="yiv0505623334yui_3_16_0_1_1444831758864_3022" size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
Dr. Albrecht Giese <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a><br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
Richard Gauthier <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><richgauthier@gmail.com></a>;
'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion' <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Wednesday, October 14, 2015 5:40 AM<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [General] research papers<br clear="none">
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<div id="yiv0505623334yui_3_16_0_1_1444831758864_3302"> <font id="yiv0505623334yui_3_16_0_1_1444831758864_3301" size="+1"><big id="yiv0505623334yui_3_16_0_1_1444831758864_3300"><big id="yiv0505623334yui_3_16_0_1_1444831758864_3299"><small id="yiv0505623334yui_3_16_0_1_1444831758864_3298">Hello
Richard,<br clear="none">
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I refer to your first reference given below
"The Charged-Photon Model of the Electron
... ". Which I liked very much to read, but
without agreeing to everything of it.<br clear="none">
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The crucial thing seems to be the 'de
Broglie wavelength'. I can follow your
deduction. You take the energy and so the
momentum of the orbiting charged photon. You
calculate the wave number of the photon from
the momentum. Then you take the actual
component of the wave number in the
direction of the whole electron. And the
result is in fact the de Broglie wavelength.
- But what is the physics behind that?<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
If the electron moves slowly, the phase
speed is much more than c. In the case of
the electron at rest it is even infinite.
So, the whole wave oscillates with a fixed
phase until infinity. What kind of wave can
that be? Yes, a phase can move faster than a
material wave. But such a different (and
higher) phase speed can only be caused by a
superposition of waves. Who contributes to
this superposition? You mention as an
example that e.g. a pulse can be understood
as a superposition of a collection of single
waves. Correct. But just in this case the
length of the resulting phase wave will
never be infinite. So, what is the physics
behind? I do not see an answer in your
paper. And I for myself have as well no
answer to it.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
The same is true for de Broglie. In his
paper of 1924 he deduces an equation for the
phase speed so that the de Broglie
wavelength, which has turned out to be
practical to describe scattering at double
slits etc, is the result of his mathematical
procedure. But de Broglie himself states the
lack of physical understanding (as you also
quote so in your paper):<br clear="none">
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may be considered a formal scheme whose
physical content is not yet fully
determined, rather than a full-fledged
definite doctrine.”</font></span></small></big></big></div>
<big id="yiv0505623334yui_3_16_0_1_1444831758864_3320"><big id="yiv0505623334yui_3_16_0_1_1444831758864_3319"><small id="yiv0505623334yui_3_16_0_1_1444831758864_3321"> So, even
de Broglie admits in his paper that this is a
formal result which does not represent really
understood physics. But despite of this, Erwin
Schrödinger has integrated this "vague"
approach into his famous "Schrödinger
equation". This is - as far as I understand it
- still the state of QM today. Nothing better.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
With this I do not want to criticise you as I
for myself have at present no solution. This
also answers your question regarding the
relation of my model to the de Broglie
wavelength. <br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I see it as a valuable goal for the further
development to find an answer (a <i>physical
</i>answer!) to the question of the de Broglie
wavelength.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Apart of this I would like to ask the
following questions to your model with a
charged photon.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
- If this photon is orbiting in the electron,
by which force is it hold on its orbit?<br clear="none">
- The photon has a mass or a momentum (which
I find equivalent) in it. So it has inertia.
What is the mechanism which causes this
inertia? <br clear="none">
- A photon as we know it does not have a
charge. So this particle can be understood to
be a different one. Would it not be better to
give it a new name, just for clarity? <br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
You ask me why my particle model does not only
have one orbiting particle but two? The answer
is simply that this explains the circular
motion. One object cannot move on a circular
path without any bind to something else.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
And should not any electron model have an
answer to the fact that there is also the
strong interaction found in the electron (DESY
2004)?<br clear="none">
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Best regards<br clear="none">
Albrecht</small></big><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv0505623334moz-cite-prefix"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big>Am 05.10.2015 um 19:17
schrieb Richard Gauthier:<br clear="none">
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<div><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big>Hello
Albrecht,</big></big></font></big></big>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big>Thank you for your
further comments and questions.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big>De Broglie's
“harmony of phases” argument is
a little hard to follow or
picture. His derivation is given
in my article at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://www.academia.edu/9973842/The_Charged-Photon_Model_of_the_Electron_the_de_Broglie_Wavelength_and_a_New_Interpretation_of_Quantum_Mechanics"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://www.academia.edu/9973842/The_Charged-Photon_Model_of_the_Electron_the_de_Broglie_Wavelength_and_a_New_Interpretation_of_Quantum_Mechanics">https://www.academia.edu/9973842/The_Charged-Photon_Model_of_the_Electron_the_de_Broglie_Wavelength_and_a_New_Interpretation_of_Quantum_Mechanics</a>
on p. 5 in the section
“Comparison of the
charged-photon derivation to de
Broglie’s derivation”<span class="yiv0505623334" style="word-spacing:-4px;">.</span> "Harmony
of phases" is generally
accepted. I’m quite pleased that
I was able with simple math to
derive the electron's
relativistic de Broglie
wavelength without it. I also
derived the electron’s
relativistic matter-wave
equation A e^i(kx-wt) for a free
relativistic electron from the
circulating charged photon
model, based on the circulating
charged photon emitting a plane
wave along the charged photon’s
helical trajectory, with the
circulating charged photon’s
wavelength h/(gamma mc) and
frequency f = (gamma mc^2)/h,
using the relation cos(theta) =
v/c where theta is the forward
angle of the charged photon’s
helical trajectory. The
intersection of this circulating
plane wave with the longitudinal
axis of the circulating charged
photon’s helical trajectory
generates the electron’s
matter-wave equation with the
relativistic de Broglie
wavelength and phase velocity
c^2/v . </big></big></font></big></big></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big>The momentum of
the circulating charged photon
is p = gamma mc because the
energy E of the circulating
charged photon is set equal the
total energy E of moving
electron E=gamma mc^2 and the
energy-momentum relation for a
photon is p= E/c: p = E/c =
(gamma mc^2) / c = gamma mc for
the total momentum of the
circulating charged photon along
its helical trajectory. This
total momentum's longitudinal
component along the helical axis
is p cos(theta)= gamma mc x
v/c = gamma mv which is the
relativistic momentum of the
electron being modeled by the
circulating charged photon. The
transverse component of the
charged photon's total momentum
is mc .</big></big></font></big></big></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big>Since your
“basic particles” don’t, as you
state, have relativistic
behavior, why not just have one
circulating light-speed particle
instead of two? Insisting on
conservation of momentum between
two circulating non-physical
particles (for which there is no
experimental evidence) doesn’t
seem logical.</big></big></font></big></big></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big>For your
reference, my recent article is
at <b class="yiv0505623334"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://www.academia.edu/15686831/Electrons_are_spin_1_2_charged_photons_generating_the_de_Broglie_wavelength"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://www.academia.edu/15686831/Electrons_are_spin_1_2_charged_photons_generating_the_de_Broglie_wavelength">https://www.academia.edu/15686831/Electrons_are_spin_1_2_charged_photons_generating_the_de_Broglie_wavelength</a> .</b></big></big></font></big></big></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big>No one knows why
the electron’s rest mass is m =
E(resting electron)/c^2 = 0.511
MeV/c^2 . The Higgs mechanism
doesn’t predict m. A photon
carrying the energy E of the
rest mass m of an electron has
energy hf = E=mc^2 and momentum
p=mc . So mc is more fundamental
than m since this photon is not
at rest but has momentum mc. If
this photon is then converted
into a resting electron, this
electron now has internal
invariant circulating momentum
mc and a corresponding rest mass
m which the original photon did
not have. So the photon's
original momentum mc, which
precedes the electron’s
formation, is more fundamental
than the electron’s rest mass m.</big></big></font></big></big></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big>with best
regards,</big></big></font></big></big></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big> Richard</big></big></font></big></big></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big>On Oct 4,
2015, at 2:01 PM, Dr.
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Am 02.10.2015 um 07:45 schrieb
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big>Hello Albrecht,</big></big></font></big></big></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big> Thank you for your
detailed explanations. Yes, I will
wait for your quantitative derivation
of the relativistic de Broglie
wavelength from your electron model.
De Broglie’s original derivation has
the internal frequency of his electron
both increasing (due to its energy as
gamma mc^2 = hf AND also decreasing
due to relativistic time dilation. He
managed to reconcile both of these
frequencies by his ingenious “harmony
of phases” relationship. Your electron
model only seems to have a decreasing
frequency with increasing speed, where
you say this decreasing frequency is
due to time dilation. Without an
increasing internal frequency
proportional to the electron's energy
gamma mc^2 I think you will have
difficulty deriving the relativistic
de Broglie wavelength. My model
derives the de Broglie wavelength
value h/(gamma mv) easily from the
relativistic wavelength h/(gamma mc)
of the circulating charged photon
whose frequency is given by hf=gamma
mc^2, without referring to
relativistic time dilation.</big></big></font></big></big></div>
<big><big> </big></big> <big><big><font size="+1"><big><big> These are two questions
or problems. One is the increase of the
internal frequency of a particle at
motion despite of dilation. There is an
easy way to see how it in principle
works. I said earlier that the dilation,
so the reduction of the internal
frequency, is over-compensated by the
Dopplereffect, which is effective for an
observer who receives the particle.
Mathematically: If you divide the
Doppler function (the source moving
towards the observer) by the square of
the gamma function, then the result is
more than 1. This shows that the Doppler
effect over-compensates the reduction of
the frequency by dilation at least by
gamma. The result should however be
exactly one. When I am at home again
(presently I am not) I will investigate
my literature to get a precise result.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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Thank you for your note about the
"harmony of phases". The idea takes care
of the problem that on the one hand the
frequency in an elementary particle
follows E=mc^2=h*frequency, on the other
hand the de Broglie wavelength does not
follow this relation. What is the reason
for that? In my present understanding
the "harmony of phases" was an ad hoc
attempt of de Broglie to solve this
problem mathematically. I do not have
the impression that it is based on a
true understanding of a physical
process. I shall come back to this as
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big> You say at one
point: "We can reorder this
equation: m*R*c = h(bar). The left
side is now the classical definition
of the orbital momentum at speed =
c.” But mc is not the momentum of a
particle with rest mass traveling at
c, i.e. p = mv where v is replaced
by c. Could you have misunderstood
p=mc for the relativistic equation
for momentum p = gamma mv for a
particle with rest mass m traveling
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<big><big><font size="+1"><big><big> I have
referred to the classical definition of
angular momentum to show that the spin
can be visualized for such a type of
model (i.e. my model). Of course the
units do not fit with exact numbers. If
we treat the model as a classical
gyroscope (what it definitely not is)
then this equation describes the angular
momentum. In that case <i class="yiv0505623334">m </i>is of
course the <i class="yiv0505623334">effective
</i>mass, in this case however not
applicable in so far as there are no
single "masses" in this model. (Mass is
a dynamical process within the whole.)
The speed c is not a problem in so far
as the "basic particles" do not have a
relativistic behavior. Relativistic
effects are caused by the elementary
particle as a whole as particularly
visible for the phenomenon of dilation.
But one point results very clearly from
this view: The resulting angular
momentum (=spin) is independent of other
properties of the particle. That is a
physical result here, not a result of
some algebra. And the numerical result
is very close to the correct one which
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big> However, the
momentum quantity mc does appear in
my circulating charged photon model
as the invariant transverse
component of the helically
circulating charged photon’s total
momentum gamma mc. </big></big></font></big></big></div>
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<big><big><font size="+1"><big><big> Why is the
momentum <i class="yiv0505623334">gamma
mc</i>? If the photon is subject to
relativistic effects, on which level of
your model is relativity founded? The
increase of <i class="yiv0505623334">m
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have some reason. Which reason is it? (I
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big>The longitudinal
component of the charged photon’s
circulating momentum is gamma mv,
which is the momentum of the
relativistic electron being modeled
by the circulating charged photon.
The transverse momentum component mc
contributes to the spin hbar/2 of a
slow moving or resting electron
composed of a circulating photon at
radius hbar/2mc in this way: Sz = r
x p = hbar/2mc x mc = hbar/2 . My
charged photon model is a generic
charged photon model, which needs a
more detailed charged photon model
incorporated into it that will give
the charged photon model a spin
hbar/2 also at relativistic
velocities, since the electron has
spin hbar/2 at all velocities. I
have such a possible charged photon
model that is internally
superluminal and has spin hbar/2 at
all energies, which might be
incorporated into the generic
charged photon model.</big></big></font></big></big></div>
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<big><big><font size="+1"><big><big> This is a
collection of equations which are listed
here but not deduced or substantiated. I
guess that they are (quantitative)
consequences of the foundations of your
model. I do not have details of your
model here at hand as I am not at home.
Is it difficult for you to give me just
a quick reference? - The occurrence of
superluminal speed is a problem in so
far as it constitutes a new property
which is very different from present
understanding of physics. Better if we
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><big><big><font size="+1"><big><big> You asked if
someone besides you has an
explanation of particle inertia.
This invariant circulating
transverse momentum component p=mc
in my charged photon model of the
electron gives my electron model an
invariant rest mass m and so this
circulating momentum component mc
may be the origin of inertia or rest
mass of material particles like the
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<big><big><font size="+1"><big><big> In my
understanding you put the logic here
upside down. You refer to the momentum <i class="yiv0505623334">p=mc</i>. But
here is <i class="yiv0505623334">m </i>the
origin of the momentum. So, if mass is
not defined, also this expression is
undefined. - Only after the mass
generation has been found, it makes
sense to talk about momentum. No the
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at 11:51 AM, Dr. Albrecht Giese <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"> Dear Richard,<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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thank you for your list of explicit questions.
That makes it easy to answer in a structured
way. And I hope that my answers can also
answer some of the other questions and doubts
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<div class="yiv0505623334">Hello John and Albrecht
and all,</div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"> Thanks John, I
stand corrected on the issue of your electron
model not falling off in lateral size as
1/gamma. </div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"> Albrecht, I am
still not satisfied with your electron model for
a number of reasons:</div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334">1) no experimental
evidence for multi-particle structure of the
electron even at high energies.</div>
Yes, this model makes it difficult to show
experimentally this structure of the electron. It
is difficult by the reason that both sub-particles
do not have any mass. So the particle cannot be
decomposed by bombardment, which is the normal way
of investigating a particle structure in high
energy physics (like a proton). On the other hand
it should not be a problem to accept that a
particle is big as a whole, but by a scattering
experiment only a sub-particle is detected. That
has a historical analogy in the Rutherford
experiment, where Rutherford wished to measure the
size of an atom but found the size of the nucleus.
In case of the electron the experimenters look for
the size of the electron but find the size of the
basic particle.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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However there is now indeed an experimental
evidence. As Frank Wilczek wrote in his article in
Nature, in a specific situation (superconductivity
in a magnetic field), half-electrons were
detected. In his understanding it is a complete
mystery. In the view of this particle model not so
much a mystery.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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An important theoretical argument for a pair of
sub-particles is the fact the there is an internal
motion (mag. moment, spin), but the conservation
of momentum must not be violated. This needs at
least 2 sub-particles.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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<div class="yiv0505623334">2) your light-speed
charged, massless circulating particles
carry no resting inertia — why not just call
them circulating charged photons, and just
have one of them rather than two, based on
the lack of experimental evidence for
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Arguments against a photon: A photon at c has
inertia. With this assumption the model cannot
work (look for the mechanism of inertia). And a
photon does not have a single (or half) electric
charge. And scattering of other charged particles
(like quarks) at a photon would not display a size
< 10^-18. A photon cannot be that small.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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Further the photon has spin of 1 h(bar), the
electron has 1/2 of it. If the electron would be
built by 2 photons, the combined spin should be 0
or 2. Or there must be an additional orbital
momentum which is otherwise not known in particle
physics.
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<div class="yiv0505623334">3) there is no
clear model of a photon in your system
(maybe I missed it) and how
electron-positron pair production of your
electron model and positron model would
emerge from a single photon in the vicinity
of a nucleus (a common method of pair
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I must admit that I do not have a consistent model
for a photon. I tend to the idea of de Broglie
that a photon is composed by 2 elementary
particles. But I do not assume 2 neutrinos as de
Broglie did but maybe of 4 basic particles in a
very special configuration. At least a photon has
to have positive and negative electric charges
inside, otherwise it would not react with electric
charges as it does.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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If we assume that the photon is e.g. built by 2
other particles which are similar to electrons,
pair production is quite plausible. On the other
hand, the generation of elementary particles by
interaction processes, which should mean in this
context the generation of basic particles, needs
some additional understanding. My model just uses
generations like those but has no explanation yet
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<div class="yiv0505623334">4) the
two-dimensionality of your electron model.
Delta x in the third dimension appears to
be zero and delta Px in the third dimension
is also zero. So delta x delta Px is also
zero , a strong violation of the Heisenberg
uncertainty principle. Is that a problem
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The orbital motion of the 2 sub-particles goes on
in a 2-dimensional area, that is true. Problem
with Heisenberg's principle? (I prefer to say: the
uncertainty relation, because nature is not
determined by principles, as elementary particles
etc. do not have a mind so that they can
understand and follow principles.) The uncertainty
is a "technical" consequence of the de Broglie
wave which surrounds and guides a particle. Such
wave can only be determined with uncertainty, that
is the uncertainty found in measurements. I do not
see any uncertainty in particles themselves as
everywhere when we can measure parameters in an
interaction, the conservation laws are fulfilled
without an uncertainty.
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<div class="yiv0505623334">5) the fact that
your model’s lateral size doesn’t decrease
as electron speed increases. Since the 2
particles still move at light speed, this
would require that the frequency of their
circulation will reduce, rather than
increase as would be expected with the
electron's increasing energy as its speed
increases. That also leaves your high energy
relativistic electron model about 100,000
times too big, compared with high energy
electron scattering experiments. </div>
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Irrespective to which direction an electron moves,
the orbital frequency reduces by the factor gamma.
This is simple geometry and the physical cause of
dilation in SR. On the other hand, if the electron
moves towards another object to undergo an
interaction there, then the other object
experiences an increase of frequency by the
Doppler effect. This Doppler effect
over-compensates the relativistic reduction. - By
the way, this consideration was the starting point
for de Broglie when he began to think about
elementary particles, which ended with the Nobel
price.
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electron scattering occurs in your model
with only one of the two rotating point-like
particles and the other is pulled along
without inertial resistance doesn’t work for
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As the "other" sub-particle has no inertial mass,
it can follow any acceleration. This is (also)
covered by Newton's law of inertia. But as both
sub-particles are bound to each other by a field
which is subject to the finite speed of light, the
"other" one causes the inertia of the whole
configuration by the delay of field propagation. -
It is essential for the understanding of this
model to understand the underlying mechanism of
inertia. See further down.
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<div class="yiv0505623334">6) the fact that
the electron’s z-component of spin 1/2 hbar
is not clearly present in your model whose
radius is the reduced Compton wavelength
hbar/mc and not the Dirac amplitude hbar/2mc
which easily yields the electron’s spin 1/2
, zitterbewegung frequency, double-looping
in a resting electron and the Dirac 720
degree rotational symmetry of the electron.
(This is the same problem I see with John
M’s electron model, which also doesn’t have
a clear spin 1/2 hbar since its radius is
also hbar/mc and not hbar/2mc .)</div>
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The sub-particles in this model are bound to each
other by a multi-pole field of the strong force.
This field causes the inertia of the whole
particle and so tries to inhibit any change of the
motion state. As the sub-particles orbit at c and
also the binding field moves at c, the one
sub-particle does not receive the field of the
other one from the opposite direction of the
orbital motion, but the force has a component in
the direction of the circumference of the orbit.
This inhibits a change of the orbital motion and
causes so an orbital momentum, i.e. a spin.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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For an approximate calculation: The mass is given
by m = h(bar) / (R*c) . We can reorder this
equation: m*R*c = h(bar). The left side is now the
classical definition of the orbital momentum at
speed = c. - This is not numerically applicable
here as the model does not function as a classical
gyroscope. But it shows how spin in principle
works.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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Regarding Dirac: What Dirac has done is algebra,
not physics. It is often very practical to do
algebra do solve physical problems, but we should
always be aware of the fact that we have to trace
the algebra back to the physical processes behind
the calculation. And so also his period of 720
degrees is a kind of mathematical trick helpful
for some calculations. But the physical space does
in my understanding not have a periodicity of 720
degrees.
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<div class="yiv0505623334">7) the wave nature
of your model is not clear to me. What in
your model produces the electron's quantum
wave nature, and how does your moving
electron model generate the relativistic de
Broglie wavelength quantitatively? Does it?
You seem to accept the pilot wave concept of
de Broglie-Bohm. Does your electron model
display quantum non-locality and
entanglement as Bohm’s does and which is
also strongly experimentally supported?</div>
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The field which binds both sub-particles
propagates into any direction in space. So it is
existent also outside of this configuration
"electron". As the electron circulates, it is an
alternating field which emits waves into the
surrounding space. When the particle moves, it
takes the wave-field with it. This guides the
particle as anticipated by de Broglie and, among
other effects, causes the scattering structure at
a double slit. <br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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Non-locality and entanglement: This was my
original motivation to investigate theoretical
physics (originally I am an experimentalist). But
up to now I was not successful to find an
explanation for that. - But that is another topic
which has no direct relation to my model. - It is
a new information for me that Bohm did have an
explanation for entanglement.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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You are asking for the deduction of the de Broglie
wavelength. For presenting a quantitative
deduction I have to investigate some more details,
and so I ask you for some patience. I shall come
back to it.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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Finally I would like to emphasize the fact that
this model is the only one which explains inertia.
As it is meanwhile admitted by mainstream physics,
the Higgs model is not able to provide this. The
necessary Higgs field does definitely not exist. <br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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The reason for mass is that any extended object
has inertia, independent of "elementary masses"
which may exist inside an object. The reason is
the finiteness of the speed of light, by which
binding fields, which must be present in any
extended object, propagate. This is not an idea or
a wage possibility, but it is completely
unavoidable. Applied to a particle model, a
particle can only have inertial if it is extended.
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Question: Does anyone of you all here has another
working model of inertia?<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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Here I should end today. But I will be happy to
get further - and critical - questions.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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Best regards<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Albrecht<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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2015, at 1:48 AM, John Williamson <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk">John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk</a>>
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<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334">Dear
everyone especially Al, Albrecht
and Richard,</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334">I have been
meaning to weigh-in for some time,
but term has just started and I’m
responsible for hundreds of new
students, tens of PhD’s, there is
only one of me and my mind is
working on less than ten percent
capacity.<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334">I think we
have to distinguish between what
is know, experimentally, and our
precious (to us) little
theoretical models. Please
remember everyone that theory is
just theory. It is fun to play
with and that is what we are all
doing. The primary thing is first
to understand experiment – and
that is hard as there is a huge
amount of mis-information in our
“information” technology culture.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334">You are
right, Al, that Martin has not
carried out experiments, directly,
himself, on the electron size in
both high energy and at low
energy, but I have.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334">I have many
papers, published in the most
prestigious journals, on precisely
those topics. They HAVE had much
interest (in total more than ten
thousand citations). I have sat
up, late at night, alone,
performing experiments<span class="yiv0505623334"> <span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>both
with the largest lepton microscope
ever made (The EMC experiment at
CERN) and with my superb (best in
the world at the time) millikelvin
Cryostat looking at precisely the
inner structure of single
electrons spread out over sizes
much (orders of magnitude) larger
than my experimental resolution.
It is widely said, but simply not
true, that “no experiment resolves
the electron size”.<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv0505623334"> </span>This
comes, largely, from simple
ignorance of what the experiments
show. I have not only seen inside
single electrons, but then used
the observed properties and
structure, professionally and in
widely published and cited work,
to design new devices. Have had
them made and measured (in
collaboration with others), and
seen them thenwork both as
expected, but also to reveal
deeper mysteries again involving
the electron size, its quantum
spin, its inner charge
distribution and so on. That work
is still going on, now carried by
my old colleagues and by the rest
of the world. Nano – my device was
the first nanosemiconductor
device. Spintronics, designed the
first devices used for this. Inner
workings of spin , and the
exclusion principle Martin and I
hope to crack that soon! Fun! All
welcome!</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334">Now where
Martin is coming from, and where
he, personally, late at night etc
… HAS done lots of professional
experiments and has been widely
cited is in playing the same kind
of games with light that I have
done with electrons. This means
that, acting together, we really
know what we are talking about in
a wide range of physics.
Especially particle scattering,
quantum electron transport, and
light. We may be making up the
theories, but we are not making up
a wide and deep understanding of
experiment.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334">I take your
point – and you are so right -that
there are so many things one would
like to read and understand and
has not yet got round to. So much
and so little time. Ore papers
written per second than one can
read per second. There is,
however, no substitute for
actually having been involved in
those very experiments to actually
understand what they mean.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334">So what I am
about to say is not going to be
“shooting from the hip”, but is
perhaps more like having spent a
couple of decades developing a
very large rail gun which has just
been loaded for its one-shot at
intergalactic exploration …</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334">Now I hope
you will not take this badly …<span class="yiv0505623334"> <span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>it
is fun to think about this but
here goes</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334">Here is what
you said (<span class="yiv0505623334" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">making
you blue</span>):</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);background-color:white;">You
have not done an experiment, but
(at best) a calculation based on
some hypothtical input of your
choise. Maybe it's good, maybe
not.<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">Not
so: I have done the experiments!
Myself. This is exactly why I
started looking into the extant
models decades ago, found them
sadly lacking, and hence set out
to devise new ones that did agree
with experiment at both low and
high energy. This is the whole
point! </span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:5pt;font-family:Helvetica;background-color:white;"></span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;"> </span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:5pt;font-family:Helvetica;background-color:white;"></span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334webkit-block-placeholder">
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<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">The
Sun scatters as a point only those
projectiles that don't get close.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">True,</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;"><span class="yiv0505623334"> </span>
So far, no scattering off
elecrtons has gotten close enough
to engage any internal structure,
"they" say (I#ll defer to experts
up-to-date).<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">Not
so. Lots of papers on this. Some
by me. See e.g. Williamson,
Timmering, Harmans, Harris and
Foxon Phys Rev 42 p 7675. Also – I
am an expert (up to date) on HEP
as well. A more correct statement
is that no high-energy scattering
experiment has RESOLVED any
internal structure in free
electrons. If this was all you
knew (and for many HEP guys it
seems to be) then one might
interpret this as meaning the
electron was a point down to
10-18m. It is not. It cannot be.
It does not have enough mass to
account for its spin (even if at
lightspeed) if it is that small.
Work it out!</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;"> </span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334webkit-block-placeholder">
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<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;"> <span class="yiv0505623334" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Nevertheless,
electrons are in constant motion
at or near the speed of light
(Zitterbewegung) and therefore
at the time scales of the
projectiles buzz around
(zittern) in a certain amout of
space, which seems to me must
manifest itself as if there were
spacially exteneded structure
within the scattering
cross-section. Why not?</span></span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">Because
this is no good if one does not
have the forces or the mechanism
for making it “zitter”.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">More
importantly -experimentally-
because that is not what you see.
If it was just zittering in space
one could see that zitter. What
you see (in deep inelastic lepton
scattering, for example), is that
there is no size scale for lepton
scattering. That is, that no
structure is resolved right down
to 10^-18 metres. This is NOT the
same thing as an electron being a
point. That is why one says (if
one knows a bit about what one is
talking about) that it is
“point-like” and not “point”
scattering. These qualifiers
ALWAYS matter. Point-like – not a
point. Charged photon- not a
photon. Localised photon – not a
photon. Vice-Admiral- not an
admiral. Vice-president- more a
reason for not shooting the
president!</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">That
structure is not resolved does NOT
mean that the electron is point.<span class="yiv0505623334"> <span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>This
is widely accepted as fact, but
just represents a (far too
widespread) superficial level of
understanding. Any inverse-square,
spherically symettric force-field
has this property (eg spherical
planets if you do not actually hit
them). The real problem is to
understand how it can appear
spherically symettric and inverse
square in scattering while
ACTUALLY being much much larger
than this. This is exactly what I
started out working on in 1980 and
have been plugging away at ever
since. Exactly that! You need to
explain all of experiment: that is
what this is all about. </span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);background-color:white;">Not
to defend Albrecht's model as he
describes it, but many folks (say
Peter Rowlands at Liverpool, for
example) model elemtary particles
in terms of the partiicle itself
interacting with its induced
virtual image (denoted by Peter as
the "rest of the universe").
This "inducement" is a kind of
polarization effect. Every charge
repells all other like charges and
attracts all other unlike charges
resulting in what can be modeled
as a virtual charge of the
opposite gender superimposed on
itself in the static
approximation. But, because the
real situation is fluid, the
virtual charge's motion is delayed
as caused by finite light speed,
so that the two chase each other.
Etc. Looks something like
Albrecht's pairs.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">Yes
I know. This is the same kind of
maths as “image charges” used all
the time in modelling the solid
state. These are all models. All
models have features. We need to
confront them with experiment.
Problem with the pairs is you
don’t see any pairs. If one of the
pair has zero mass-energy it is
not there at all. If there was a
pair, bound to each other with
some forces, then one would see
something similar to what one sees
in proton scattering (see below),
and you do not. One then has to
explain why and how this process
occurs, every time. You always
(and only) see one thing for
electrons, muons. You see a single
object for the electron, and an
internal structure for the proton.
This is what your theory has to
deal with. Really. Properly. In
detail. At all energies.</span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:5pt;font-family:Helvetica;background-color:white;"></span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;"> </span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:5pt;font-family:Helvetica;background-color:white;"></span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334webkit-block-placeholder">
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<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);background-color:white;">I
too havn't read your 97 paper yet,
but I bet it's unlikely that you
all took such consideration into
account.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">You
could not know this, but his could
not be more wrong. We did. You did
not specify the bet. Lets make it
a beer. You owe me (and Martin) a
beer! If you have not yet read the
paper by the time we next meet I
think you should buy all the
beers! Deal?</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">The
whole point of the paper my reason
for leaving high energy physics at
all, the seven years of work
Martin and I put into it to that
point, was exactly to resolve this
mystery – on the basis of an
“electron as a localised photon”.
My subsequent work has been to try
to develop a proper field theory
to deal with the problems inherent
I the old model (unknown forces)
and in the Dirac theory (ad hoc
lump of mass) (amongst others).
This is the point of the new
theory of light and matter:an
attempt to sort all that out. You
should read it too! Do that and I
will buy you a beer!</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">Now
Richard, while I am disagreeing
with everyone I am going to
disagree with you too! You keep
saying that the electron apparent
size scales with gamma – and you
keep attributing me with agreeing
with you (and Martin and Viv and
Chip). Let me say this once and
for all: I DO NOT agree with this.<span class="yiv0505623334"> <span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Now
Viv and Chip must speak for
themselves, but I’m pretty sure
Martin would (largely – though not
completely) agree me here.<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv0505623334"> </span>I
have said this many times to you –
though perhaps not specifically
enough.<span class="yiv0505623334"> <span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>It is not
quite wrong – but far too simple.
It scales ON AVERAGE so. I agree
that it changes apparent size-
yes, but not with gamma- no. How
it actually scales was discussed
in the 1997 paper, and the
mathematics of this is explained
(for example) in my “Light” paper
at SPIE (see Eq. 19). Gamma = ½(
x+ 1/x). Also, this is amongst
other things, in Martin’s “Light
is Heavy” paper. Really the
apparent size scales BOTH linearly
AND inverse linearly (as x and 1/x
then). It is the average of these
that gives gamma. This is how
relativity actually works. You do
not put things in, you get things
out. You need to look at this and
understand how gamma is related.
Best thing is to go through the
maths yourself, then you will see.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">The
bottom line is that the reason one
does not resolve the electron size
is that, in a collision, this size
scales like light. It gets smaller
with increasing energy. Linearly.
Likewise the scattering exchange
photon scales like light.
Linearly. The ratio for head on
collisions remains constant – but
the exchange photon is always
about an order of magnitude bigger
that the electron (localised
photon). This is WHY it can be big
(10^-13 m)<span class="yiv0505623334"> <span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>and
yet appear small. I said this in
my talk, but I know how hard it is
to take everything in.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">One
does not see internal structure
because of this effect – and the
fact that the electron is a SINGLE
object. Not composite – like a
proton (and Albrecht’s model).</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">Now
what would one see with lepton
scatting on protons? I have dozens
of papers on this (and thousands
of citations to those papers) – so
this is not shooting from the hip.
Let me explain as briefly and
simply as I can. Lock and load …</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">At
low energies (expresses as a
length much less than 10^-15 m or
so), one sees point-like
scattering from, what looks like,
a spherically symettric charge
distribution. Ok there are
differences between positive
projectiles (which never overlap)
and negative, but broad brush this
is so. There is then a
transitional stage where one sees
proton structure – some
interesting resonances and an
effective “size” of the proton
(though recently this has been
shown to be (spectactularly
interestingly) different for
electron and muon scattering!
(This means (obviously) that the
electron and muon have a different
effective size on that scale). At
much higher energies one begins to
see (almost) that characteristic
point-like scattering again, from
some hard bits in the proton.
Rutherford atom all over again.
These inner parts have been called
“partons”. Initially, this was the
basis –incorrect in my view – of
making the association of quarks
with partons. Problem nowadays is
that the three valence quarks
carry almost none of the
energy-momentum of the proton - -
keeps getting less and less as the
energies go up. I think this whole
quark-parton thing is largely
bullshit. Experimentally!</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-image:none;background-attachment:scroll;background-color:white;background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat repeat;">Now Albrecht you make
some good points. You are
absolutely right to quote the
experiments on the relativity of
time with clocks and with muons.
You are also right that one is not
much better off with double loops
(or any other kinds of loops) than
with two little hard balls. This
is a problem for any model of the
electron as a loop in space (Viv,
John M, Chip, John D – this is why
the electron cannot be a little
spatial loop – it is not
consistent with scattering
experiments!). Now this is a
problem in space-space but not in
more complex spaces as Martin and
I have argued (see SPIE electron
paper for up to date description
of this – from my perspective). It
is more proper to say the loops
are in “momentum space” though
this is not quite correct either.
They are in the space(s) they are
in – all nine degrees of freedom
(dimensions if you like) of them.
None of the nine are “space”. For
me, they are not little loops in
space. In space they are
spherical. You are not correct –
as the DESY director said and as I
said in the “panel” discussion-
that one would not “see” this. One
would. Only if one of the balls
were not there ( I like your get
out of saying that!), would one
observe what one observes. In my
view, however, if it is not there
it is not there. I’m open to
persuasion if you can give me a
mechanism though!</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">Gotta
go ... need to sort out tutorials
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<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:white;">Regards,
John W.</span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:5pt;font-family:Helvetica;background-color:white;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" id="yiv0505623334divRpF633381" style="direction:ltr;"><font class="yiv0505623334" size="2" face="Tahoma"><b class="yiv0505623334">From:</b><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
on behalf of Dr. Albrecht Giese
[<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>]<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">Sent:</b><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, September 28,
2015 4:39 PM<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">To:</b><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span>Richard Gauthier;
Nature of Light and Particles -
General Discussion<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">Subject:</b><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General]
research papers<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
</font><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">Richard,<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
you have asked some questions
about my electron model and I am
glad to answer them.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Does my model explain the
relativistic mass increase of the
electron at motion? Yes it does.
According to my model the mass of
an electron is m=h(bar) / (R<sub class="yiv0505623334">el</sub>*c),
where R<sub class="yiv0505623334">el</sub>
is the radius for the electron
(which is equally valid for all
elementary particles). Now, as the
binding field in the electron
contracts at motion by gamma (as
initially found by Heaviside in
1888), also the size of the
electron contracts at motion by
gamma. So the mass of the electron
increases by gamma and also of
course its dynamical energy. -
That is very simple and
elementary. The same
considerations apply for the
relativistic momentum of the
electron.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
(This is all described in my web
site<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" href="http://www.ag-physics.org/rmass"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" href="http://www.ag-physics.org/rmass">www.ag-physics.org/rmass</a><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span>; you can also find
it via Google by the search string
"origin of mass". There it is
within the first two positions of
the list, where the other one is
of Frank Wilczek; since 10 years
we both are struggling to be the
number one.)<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
However, the contraction only
occurs in the direction of motion.
So the cross section of the
electron is not changed by the
motion. And in so far this
contraction is not able to explain
the small size of the electron
found in scattering experiments. -
Another point is that this small
size was also found in scattering
experiments at energies smaller
than 29 GeV. And, another
determination, in the Penning trap
the size of the electron turns out
to be < 10^-22 m.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
So there must be something in the
electron which is much smaller
than the Compton wavelength. The
model of two orbiting
sub-particles is an extremely
simple model which also explains a
lot else.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Regarding the uncertainty relation
of Heisenberg, I have a very
"technical" understanding of it as
I have explained it in our
meeting. There is nothing
imprecise within the electron
itself, only the measurement has
limited precision. The reason is
simple. Normally an interaction of
the electron is an interaction of
its de Broglie wave with another
object. This wave is a wave
packet, the size of which is round
about given by the size of the
electron-configuration (Compton
wavelength); the size of a wave
packet is not very precisely
defined. And on the other hand,
the frequency of a limited packet
is not precisely measurable. The
relation of both limitations is
well known by electric engineers,
the rule is sometimes called
"Nyquist theorem". Now, as the
frequency is related to the energy
of the particle, the Nyquist
theorem is identical with
Heisenberg's uncertainty relation;
only the interpretation of quantum
theorists is less technical. They
assume that the physical situation
itself is imprecise, not only the
measurement. Here I do not follow
the QM interpretation.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Albrecht<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334moz-cite-prefix">Am
26.09.2015 um 19:57 schrieb
Richard Gauthier:<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
</div>
<blockquote class="yiv0505623334" type="cite">
<div class="yiv0505623334">Albrecht,
Al, Martin et al</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334"><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
One solution that I think
John W, Martin, Chip (I
think), Vivian (as I remember)
and I all agree on (I’m not
sure about John M’s electron
model) with our electron
models is that the electron
(as a circulating light-speed
entity) decreases in size with
increasing speed of the
electron. Just as a photon’s
wavelength (and presumably
also its transverse size or
extent) decreases
proportionally as 1/E with a
photon’s energy E=hf, a high
energy relativistic electron
(whose de Broglie wavelength
is nearly equal to the
wavelength of a high energy
photon having the same total
energy as the high energy
electron) should also decrease
its lateral size similarly
with its energy. The lateral
size of an electron decreases
as 1/gamma according to John
and Martin due to energy
considerations. In my model
the radius of the charged
photon’s helical trajectory
decreases as 1/gamma^2 but
with a more detailed extended
(internally superluminal)
model of the charged photon
also decreases as 1/gamma . A
1/gamma decrease is enough to
match the high energy (around
29GeV) scattering size of an
electron found to be <
10^-18 meters even though the
size of the resting electron
(on the order of the Compton
wavelength) is around 10^-12 -
10^-13 m. So this I think is a
solved problem with respect to
our models.</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334"><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334"> I
don’t know if Albrecht’s
electron model decreases as
1/gamma with increasing
electron speed. I think not.
But Albrecht’s model doesn’t I
think take into account that
the electron’s total energy
increases proportionally with
gamma and so the frequency of
the 2 circulating mass-less
particles should also increase
proportionally with gamma if
the energy of his model is to
correspond to the
experimentally measured moving
electron’s energy E= gamma
mc^2 . That should require the
radius of the 2-particle orbit
to decrease with his electron
model’s speed if the 2
orbiting particles are to
continue to circulate at
light-speed. So Albrecht's
model’s size should also
decrease at least as 1/gamma
with its speed,and the need
for the 2 massless particles
in his model is unnecessary to
explain the small size of the
electron at high speeds. As
far as conservation of
momentum requiring 2
circulating particles, John
W.’s model proposes to solve
this with his p-vot which
causes the photon to curve
into a double loop and produce
the electron’s rest mass (as I
understand it) and charge. But
also the delta x delta p >
hbar/2 requirement of
Heisenberg’s uncertainty
principle for detectable
variability in position and
velocity means that probably
for any Compton wavelength
electron model the amount of
violation of conservation of
momentum of a single
light-speed photon-like object
looping around would not be
experimentally detectable (and
so allowed since it is not
experimentally detected) as
being (like a virtual particle
in QED) under the wire of the
Heisenberg uncertainty
principle.</div>
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<blockquote class="yiv0505623334" type="cite">
<div class="yiv0505623334">
Richard</div>
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<blockquote class="yiv0505623334" type="cite">
<div class="yiv0505623334">On
Sep 26, 2015, at 8:57 AM,
John Duffield <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:johnduffield@btconnect.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:johnduffield@btconnect.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:johnduffield@btconnect.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:johnduffield@btconnect.com">johnduffield@btconnect.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334Apple-interchange-newline">
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334WordSection1" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Albrecht:</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">In case
Martin is tied up,
here’s his 1997
paper:<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://www.cybsoc.org/electron.pdf"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://www.cybsoc.org/electron.pdf">http://www.cybsoc.org/electron.pdf</a><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span>co-authored with John
Williamson.<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">As
regards electron
size, it’s field is
what it is. In<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital#Electron_properties" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">atomic orbitals</a><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span>electrons “exist as
standing waves”.
Standing wave,
standing field. We
can diffract
electrons. I think
the electron has
size like a seismic
wave has size. A
seismic wave might
have an amplitude of
1 metre, and a
wavelength of a
kilometre. But when
it travels from A to
B it isn’t just the
houses on top of the
AB line that shake.
Houses shake a
hundred miles away.
And that seismic
wave is still
detectable on the
other side f the
Earth. It’s not
totally different
for an ocean wave,
see<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334" target="_blank" href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Deep_water_wave.gif" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">this gif</a>. The
amplitude might be
1m, but that isn’t
the size of the
wave, nor is the
wavelength. The red
test particles are
still circulating
deep below the
water.<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Try to
imagine a wave going
round and round, in
a double loop, then
make it a tighter
loop. Then have a
look at<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_knot_theory" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">some knots</a>. Photon
momentum is a
measure of
resistance to
change-in-motion for
a wave propagating
linearly at c. When
it’s a 511keV wave
going round and
round at c, we don’t
call it a photon any
more. But it still
exhibits resistance
to change-in-motion.
Only we don’t call
it a momentum any
more. We call it
mass. Make sure you
read<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334" target="_blank" href="http://www.tardyon.de/mirror/hooft/hooft.htm" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">this</a>. It’s not the
Nobel ‘t Hooft.<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Regards</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">John
Duffield</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(225, 225, 225);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;">
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><b class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:windowtext;">From:</span></b><span class="yiv0505623334" lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:windowtext;"><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="yiv0505623334">On
Behalf Of<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dr. Albrecht
Giese<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">Sent:</b><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span>26 September 2015
15:46<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">To:</b><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">Subject:</b><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General]
research papers</span></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">Hi
Martin, Al, and all,<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
thank you all for your
contributions.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<u class="yiv0505623334">Regarding
the size of the
electron:</u><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
As Al argued in his
example of the sun: If
the scattered object
is passing by without
touching, the angular
distribution is
independent of the
size of the object
(for the 1/r^2 case).
But that changes if
the scattered particle
hits the body of the
"ball". In a last
experiment in 2004 at
DESY there was an
experiment performed
in which electrons
were scattered against
quarks (of a proton).
The "common" size of
both particles
resulted in a bit less
than 10^-18 m. This
limit is given by the
ratio of scattered
events which react
different from the
1/r^2 rule. - In this
experiment it was also
found that the
electron is not only
subject to the
electric interaction
but also to the strong
interaction. I think
that this is also
important for
assessing electron
models.<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
This result of the
size seems in clear
conflict with the
evaluation of
Schrödinger and
Wilczek using the
uncertainty relation.
Schroedinger made the
following statement to
it: "Here I have got
the following result
for the size of the
electron (i.e. the
Compton radius). But
we know that the
electron is
point-like. So, I must
have an error in my
evaluation. However, I
do not find this
error." So also for
Schrödinger this was
an unsolvable
conflict.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
I think that if the
electron would be
point like on the one
hand but oscillate far
enough so as to fill
the size of the
Compton wavelength,
this would be a
violation of the
conservation of
momentum. Very
clearly, a single
object cannot
oscillate. That was
also obvious for
Schrödinger and
clearly his reason to
call the internal
motion
"Zitterbewegung". This
is a word which does
not exist in the
German vocabulary of
physical terms. But
Schrödinger hesitated
(by good reason) to
use the German word
for "oscillation".<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
On the other hand, if
the electron is built
by two sub-particles,
this solves the
problem. The
sub-particle is
point-like (at least
with respect to its
charge), but both
sub-particles orbit
each other, which
reserves the momentum
law, and the orbital
radius is the reduced
Compton wavelength. -
The argument of Martin
that a model of two
sub-particles is
"refuted by the
experiment" is often
heart but not
applicable to my
model. The usual
argument is that a
sufficient effort has
been done to decompose
an electron by a
strong bombardment.
This was also done
here at DESY. But in
my model the
sub-particles have no
mass on their own (the
mass of the electron
is caused by the
dynamics of the
binding field). And in
such a case one of the
sub-particles may be
accelerated by an
arbitrary amount, the
other one can always
follow without any
force coming up. A
decomposition by
bombardment is
therefore never
possible. - I have
discussed this point
with the research
director of DESY who
was responsible for
such experiments, and
after at first
objecting it, he
admitted, that my
model is not in
conflict with these
experiments.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Martin: Where do I
find your paper of
1997?<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<u class="yiv0505623334">Regarding
dilation:</u><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
There is a lot of
clear indications for
dilation. Two
examples:<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
- The atomic clocks
in the GPS satellites
are slowed down which
has to be compensated
for<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
- In the Muon storage
ring at CERN the
lifetime of these
Muons was extended by
the great amount ca.
250, which was in
precise agreement with
special relativity.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Contraction, on the
other hand, is in so
far more a point of
interpretation as it
cannot be directly
measured - in contrast
to dilation.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Best wishes<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Albrecht<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">Am
26.09.2015 um 01:48
schrieb<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>:</div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Well!
The water I
was trying to
offer was:
might it not
be a good idea
to distinguish
clearly and
specifically
between the
size of a
point and the
size of the
volumn in
which this
point is
insessently
moving about.
If your 97
paper does
that, my
appologies.
Does it?
Forgive me, I
have over a
couple hundred
papers I'd
like to have
read and
digested
laying about,
I do my best
but still
can't get to
them all. The
chances are
better,
however, if a
paper attracts
lots of
attention
because it
predicted
something new
to be observed
empirically.
Did it? </span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">BTW,
I did not
imply that the
work I refered
to is better.
But, it (in
Rowland's
avantar) is
certainly as
extensive as
yours. In any
case, it
potentially
undermines
your
"shot-from-the-hip"
criticism of
Albrecht's
program by
introducing a
feature to
which neither
you nor John
refered to, in
my best
memory, at San
Diego. My
comment was
not intended
ad hominum,
but made on
the presumtion
that you too
have hundreds
of unread
papers
available. </span></div>
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Al</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><b class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Gesendet:</span></b><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;"> Freitag,
25. September
2015 um 19:56
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<b class="yiv0505623334">Von:</b> "Mark,
Martin van
der"<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com"><martin.van.der.mark@philips.com></a><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">An:</b> "Nature
of Light and
Particles -
General
Discussion"<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">Betreff:</b> Re:
[General]
research
papers</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Al,
just read what
i wrote. It is
not shooting
from the hip.
I am refering
to actual
experiments,
all cited in
the paper i
refered to.
Further, you
are just
repeating what
i said
already. I can
only bring you
to the water,
i cannot make
you drink. And
then you refer
to other
doubtfull
work, as id it
were better.
Good luck.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Regards,
Martin<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Verstuurd
vanaf mijn
iPhone</span></div>
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Op 25 sep.
2015 om 19:16
heeft "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>> het
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Dear
Martin,</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Perhaps
it's my Texas
background,
but I think I
sense some
"shoot'n from
the hip."</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">You
have not done
an experiment,
but (at best)
a calculation
based on some
hypothtical
input of your
choise. Maybe
it's good,
maybe not. </span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">The
Sun scatters
as a point
only those
projectiles
that don't get
close. So
far, no
scattering off
electons has
gotten close
enough to
engage any
internal
structure,
"they" say
(I#ll defer to
experts
up-to-date).
Nevertheless,
electrons are
in constant
motion at or
near the speed
of light
(Zitterbewegung)
and therefore
at the time
scales of the
projectiles
buzz around
(zittern) in a
certain amout
of space,
which seems to
me must
manifest
itself as if
there were
spacially
exteneded
structure
within the
scattering
cross-section.
Why not?</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Not
to defend
Albrecht's
model as he
describes it,
but many folks
(say Peter
Rowlands at
Liverpool, for
example) model
elemtary
particles in
terms of the
partiicle
itself
interacting
with its
induced
virtual image
(denoted by
Peter as the
"rest of the
universe").
This
"inducement"
is a kind of
polarization
effect. Every
charge repells
all other like
charges and
attracts all
other unlike
charges
resulting in
what can be
modeled as a
virtual charge
of the
opposite
gender
superimposed
on itself in
the static
approximation.
But, because
the real
situation is
fluid, the
virtual
charge's
motion is
delayed as
caused by
finite light
speed, so that
the two chase
each other.
Etc. Looks
something like
Albrecht's
pairs.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">I
too havn't
read your 97
paper yet, but
I bet it's
unlikely that
you all took
such
consideration
into account.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Best,
Al </span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><b class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Gesendet:</span></b><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;"> Freitag,
25. September
2015 um 18:44
Uhr<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">Von:</b> "Mark,
Martin van
der" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com">martin.van.der.mark@philips.com</a>><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">An:</b> "Nature
of Light and
Particles -
General
Discussion"
<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>>,
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<b class="yiv0505623334">Betreff:</b> Re:
[General]
research
papers</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dear
Al, dear
Albrecht, dear
all,</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">In
the paper John
W and I
published in
1997, the
situation is
explained
briefly but
adequately.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Clearly
Albrecht has
not read it
or, perhaps he
did but does
not want to
understand it
because it
really
destroys his
work. This is
a double pity,
of course, but
we are talking
science, not
sentiment, and
I do not want
to take away
anything from
the person you
are Albrecht.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">The
electron has a
finite size,
of the oder of
the Compton
wavelength,
but the
Coulomb
interaction is
perfectly
matched in ANY
experiment,
which means
there are no
internal bits
to the
electron and
that it
behaves as a
point-LIKE
scatterer, not
a to be
mistaken by a
POINT as is
done most of
the time. Note
that even the
sun has
point-like
scattering for
all comets
that go round
it, its
gravitational
field seems to
come from the
centre of the
sun. Until you
hit other
bits. There
are no other
bits for the
electron, but
at very high
energy the
4-momentum
exchange
combined with
the resolving
power at that
high energy
make that a
Compton-size
object CANNOT
be resolved in
principle, if
and only if it
is of
electromagnetic
origin.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">The
electron is a
single thing,
of
electromagnetic
origin only,
there is NO
OTHER WAY to
fit the
experimental
results.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Well,
maybe there is
another way,
but I cannot
see it.
Certainly it
is not two
parts rotating
about each
other, because
that is
refuted by
experiment,
all those
models can go
in the bin and
are a waste of
time and
energy.</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Regards,
Martin</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><b class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="yiv0505623334">On
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<b class="yiv0505623334">Sent:</b><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span>vrijdag 25 september
2015 18:05<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">To:</b><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:phys@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:phys@a-giese.de"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:phys@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:phys@a-giese.de">phys@a-giese.de</a>;<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">Cc:</b><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of Light and
Particles -
General
Discussion<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">Subject:</b><span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General]
research
papers</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Shouldn't
a clear and
explicit
distinction
between the
"size" of the
electron and
the "extent"
of its
Zitterbewegung
be made. My
best info,
perhaps not
up-to-date, is
that although
scattering
experiments
put an upper
limit on the
size
(10^-19m),
there exists
in fact no
evidence that
the electron
has any finite
size
whatsoever.
This is in
contrast to
the space it
consumes with
its
Zitter-motion,
which is what
would be
calculated
using QM
(Heisenberg
uncertanty
mostly).
Seems to me
that most of
what folks
theorize about
is the latter,
without saying
so, and
perhaps often
without even
recognizing
it. However,
since the
Zitter volumn
will cause
electrons to
be moving
targets, it
must also have
some effect on
its scatering
cross-section
too. I don't
know how this
is sorted out
in scattering
calculations---if
at all.
(Albrectht?)</span></div>
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me if I'm
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Al</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><b class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Gesendet:</span></b><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;"> Freitag,
25. September
2015 um 15:06
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<b class="yiv0505623334">Von:</b> "Dr.
Albrecht
Giese" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">An:</b> "Richard
Gauthier" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>>,<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:phys@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:phys@a-giese.de"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:phys@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:phys@a-giese.de">phys@a-giese.de</a><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">Cc:</b> "Nature
of Light and
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<b class="yiv0505623334">Betreff:</b> Re:
[General]
research
papers</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Hello
Richard,<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
according to
present
mainstream
physics the
size of the
electron is
not more than
10^-19 m. This
is concluded
from
scattering
experiments
where the size
of the
electric
charge is the
quantity of
influence.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
As present
mainstream
physics
(including the
QED of
Feynman)
assume that
the electron
has no
internal
structure and
that the
electric force
is the only
one effective,
this size is
identified
with the size
of the whole
electron. This
is in severe
conflict with
the
calculations
of Schrödinger
and of Wilczek
based on QM.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
I have the
impression
that several
of us
(including me)
have models of
the electron
which assume
some extension
roughly
compatible
with the QM
calculations.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Some details
of my model
related to
this question:
Here the
electron is
built by 2
sub-particles
("basic
particles")
which orbit
each other at
c. The
electric force
is not the
only force
inside. The
radius
following from
the magnetic
moment is the
reduced
Compton
wavelength,
and the mass
of the
electron
follows with
high precision
from this
radius. At
motion the
size decreases
by the
relativistic
factor gamma,
and so the
mass increases
by this
factor. -
However there
was always a
point of a
certain
weakness in my
model: I could
not prove that
the electron
is built by
just 2
sub-particles
carrying 1/2
elementary
charge each.
Now Wilczek
writes in his
article that
in certain
circumstances
-
superconductivity
in the
presence of a
magnetic field
- the electron
is decomposed
into two
halves. This
is the result
of
measurements.
How can this
happen with a
point-like
particle? This
is a mystery
for Wilczek.
But in the
view of my
model it is no
mystery but
quite
plausible. It
only needs now
a quantitative
calculation of
this process
which I
presently do
not have.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
All the best
to you<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Albrecht<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Am
23.09.2015 um
19:02 schrieb
Richard
Gauthier:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Hello
Albrecht,</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">
Yes, all of
our electron
models here
have a radius
related to the
Compton
wavelength.
Dirac’s
zitterbewegung
amplitude is
1/2 of the
reduced
Compton
wavelength, or
hbar/2mc ,
which is the
radius of the
generic
circulating
charged
photon’s
trajectory in
my circulating
spin 1/2
charged photon
model for a
resting
electron. That
radius
decreases by a
factor of
gamma^2 in a
moving
electron. Does
yours?
Incorporating
a more
detailed spin
1/2 charged
photon model
with the
generic model
could bring
the model's
radius up to
the reduced
Compton
wavelength
hbar/mc.</span></div>
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all the
best,</span></div>
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Richard</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">On
Sep 22, 2015,
at 11:13 AM,
Dr. Albrecht
Giese <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>> wrote:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;"> <span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Dear
Richard,<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
thank you for
this reference
to the article
of Frank
Wilczek.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
He has a
quantum
mechanical
argument to
determine a
size for the
electron. It
is the
application of
the
uncertainty
relation to
the magnetic
moment of the
electron. The
result is as
you write: 2.4
x 10^-12 m,
which is the
Compton
wavelength of
the electron.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
This is a bit
similar to the
way as Erwin
Schrödinger
has determined
the size of
the electron
using the
Dirac function
in 1930. There
Schrödinger
determined the
"amplitude of
the
zitterbewegung"
also applying
the
uncertainty
relation to
the rest
energy of the
electron. It
was "roughly"
10^-13 m,
which also
meant in his
words the
Compton
wavelength of
the electron.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
In my electron
model its
radius is 3.86
x 10^-13 m,
which is
exactly the
"reduced"
Compton
wavelength.
But here it is
not an
expectation
value as in
the cases of
Wilczek and
Schrödinger
but the exact
radius of the
orbits of the
basic
particles.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Thank you
again and best
wishes<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Albrecht<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">Am
21.09.2015 um
05:01 schrieb
Richard
Gauthier:</span></div>
</div>
<blockquote class="yiv0505623334" type="cite" style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;">
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">This
2013 Nature
comment “The
enigmatic
electron” by
Frank Wilczek
at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com">http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com</a> is
worth a look.
He states that
due to QM
effects, the
size of the
electron is
about 2.4 x
10^-12 m,
which is
roughly in the
range of some
of our
electron
models.</span></div>
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Richard</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;">On
Sep 16, 2015,
at 12:59 PM,
Wolfgang Baer
<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com">wolf@nascentinc.com</a>> wrote:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;"> <span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:white;">I
should add you
sent me
Main-2014.pdf
and that may
be the one not
available on
the web sight.</span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:white;">I was looking for a similar one that
included the
other topics
as well.</span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<span class="yiv0505623334" style="background-color:white;">If you do not have it, its OK, I just
like reading
from paper.</span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
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<span class="yiv0505623334" style="background-color:white;">best wishes,</span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<span class="yiv0505623334" style="background-color:white;">Wolf</span></span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;"> <span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
<pre class="yiv0505623334" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:'Courier New';background-color:white;">Dr. Wolfgang Baer</pre>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">On
9/14/2015
12:45 PM, Dr.
Albrecht Giese
wrote:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">John,<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
You wrote a
long text, so
I will enter
my answers
within your
text.</span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> <span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Am
14.09.2015 um
02:54 schrieb
John Macken:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Hello
David and
Albrecht,</span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">It was
through the
contact with
this group
that I was
finally able
to understand
the disconnect
that existed
between my
idea of vacuum
energy and the
picture that
others were
obtaining from
my use of the
term
“energy”.
Many of the
mysteries of
quantum
mechanics and
general
relativity can
be traced to
the fact that
fields exist
and yet we do
not have a
clear idea of
what they
are. My
answer is that
we live within
a sea of
vacuum
activity which
is the
physical basis
of the
mysterious
fields. I
combine all
fields into a
single
“spacetime
field” which
is the basis
of all
particles,
fields and
forces.<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><b class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">David</span></b><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">, you
asked about
the words<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>quantum, quantifying
and
quantizing. I
did a word
search and I
did not use
the word
“quantizing”
in either the
email or the
attachment to
my last post.
However, the
paper<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="yiv0505623334">Energetic Spacetime: The New Aether</i><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>submitted
to SPIE as
part of the
conference
presentation,
used and
defines the
word
“quantization”.
This paper was
attached to
previous
posts, and is
available at
my website: <span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://onlyspacetime.com/"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://onlyspacetime.com/">http://onlyspacetime.com/</a></span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><b class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Albrecht</span></b><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">: I can
combine my
answer to you
with the
clarification
for David of
the word
“quantify” and
its
derivatives.
I claim that
my model of
the universe
“quantifies”
particles and
fields. I
will start my
explanation of
this concept
by giving
examples of
models which
do not
“quantify”
particles and
fields. There
have been
numerous
particle
models from
this group and
others which
show an
electron model
as two balls
orbiting
around a
center of
mass. Most of
the group
identifies
these balls as
photons but
Albrecht names
the two balls
“charges of
the strong
force”. Both
photons and
charges of
strong force
are just
words. To be
quantifiable,
it is
necessary to
describe the
model of the
universe which
gives the
strong force
or the
electromagnetic
force. What
exactly are
these? How
much energy
and energy
density does
one charge of
strong force
have? Can a
photon occupy
a volume
smaller than a
reduced
Compton
wavelength in
radius? Does a
muon have the
same basic
strong force
charge but
just rotate
faster? Are
the charges of
strong force
or photons
made of any
other more
basic
component?</span></div>
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<span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Regarding
charge: This
is a basic
entity in my
model. At some
point a
physical
theory has to
start. My
model starts
with the
assumption
that a charge
is an "atomic"
entity, so
possibly
point-like,
which emits
exchange
particles (in
this point I
follow the
general
understanding
of QM). There
are two types
of charges:
the electric
ones which we
are very
familiar with,
having two
signs, and the
strong ones,
which are not
so obvious in
everyday
physics; they
also have two
signs. In the
physical
nature we find
the charges of
the strong
force only in
configurations
made of those
different
signs, never
isolated. This
is in contrast
to the
electric
charges.<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
The basic
particles are
composed of a
collection of
charges of the
strong force
so that both
basic
particles are
bound to each
other in a way
that they keep
a certain
distance. This
distance
characterizes
an elementary
particle. In
several (or
most) cases
there is
additionally
an electric
charge in the
basic
particle.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
The two
parameters I
have to set -
or to find -
are the shape
of the strong
field in the
elementary
particle. Here
I have defined
an equation
describing a
minimum
multi-pole
field to make
the elementary
particle
stable. The
other setting
is the
strength of
this field.
This strength
can be found
e.g. using the
electron
because the
electron is
well known and
precisely
measured. This
field is then
applicable for
all leptons as
well as for
all quarks. It
is also
applicable for
the photon
with the
restriction
that there may
be a
correction
factor caused
by the fact
that the
photon is not
fundamental in
the sense of
this model but
composed of
(maybe) two
other
particles.<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
The size of
the photon is
(at least
roughly)
described by
its
wavelength.
This follows
from the mass
formula
resulting from
my model, as
with this
assumption the
(dynamic) mass
of the photon
is the correct
result.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
As I wrote,
the results of
this model are
very precise,
the prove is
in practice
only limited
by limitations
of the
measurement
processes.</span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">I could
go on with
more questions
until it is
possible to
calculate the
properties of
an electron
from the
answers. So
far both
models lack
any
quantifiable
details except
perhaps a
connection to
the particle’s
Compton
frequency. I
am not
demanding
anything more
than I have
already done.
For example, I
cannot
calculate the
electron’s
Compton
frequency or
the fine
structure
constant.
However, once
I install
these into the
model that I
create, and
combine this
with the
properties of
the spacetime
field, then I
get an
electron.
Installing a
muon’s Compton
frequency
generates a
muon with the
correct
electric
field,
electrostatic
force,
curvature of
spacetime,
gravitational
force and de
Broglie
waves. I am
able to
quantify the
distortion of
spacetime
produced by a
charged
particle, an
electric field
and a photon.
I am able to
test these
models and
show that they
generate both
the correct
energy density
and generate a
black hole
when we reach
the distortion
limits of the
spacetime
field.<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">In
my model the
Compton
frequency of
the electron
(and of the
other leptons)
follows
directly from
the size of
the particle
and the fact
that the basic
particle move
with c. The
fine structure
constant tells
us the
relation of
the electric
force to the
strong force.
This
explanation
follows very
directly from
this model,
however was
also found by
other
theorists
using algebra
of particle
physics.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Another result
of the model
is that
Planck's
constant -
multiplied by
c - is the
field constant
of the strong
force. Also
this is the
result of
other models
(however not
of mainstream
physics).<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">My model
starts with a
quantifiable
description of
the properties
of spacetime.
The spacetime
model has a
specific
impedance
which
describes the
properties of
waves that can
exist in
spacetime.
Then the
amplitude and
frequency of
the waves in
spacetime is
quantified.
This
combination
allows the
energy density
of spacetime
to be
calculated and
this agrees
with the
energy density
of zero point
energy. The
particle
models are
then defined
as ½<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>ħ<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>units of quantized
angular
momentum
existing in
the spacetime
field. This
model is
quantifiable
as to size,
structure,
energy, etc.
Also the fact
that the rate
of time and
proper volume
is being
modulated, it
is possible to
calculate the
effect that
such a
structure
would have on
the
surrounding
volume of
spacetime. It
is possible to
calculate the
effect if the
spacetime-based
particle model
would have if
the coupling
constant was
equal to 1
(Planck
charge), To
get charge<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="yiv0505623334">e</i>,
it is
necessary to
manually
install the
fine structure
constant. <span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">How
do you get the
value<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">½<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>ħ</span><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">for
the angular
momentum? What
is the
calculation
behind it? - I
understand
that in your
model the
electric
charge is a
parameter
deduced from
other facts.
Which ones?
From alpha?
How do you
then get
alpha?<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
I personally
have in so far
a problem with
all
considerations
using
spacetime as I
have quite
thoroughly
investigated
how Einstein
came to the
idea of this
4-dimentional
construct. His
main
motivation was
that he wanted
in any case to
avoid an
ether. And in
his
discussions
with Ernst
Mach he had to
realize that
he was running
into a lot of
problems with
this
assumption. He
could solve
these problems
in general by
his "curved
spacetime".
But this
concept still
causes logical
conflicts
which are
eagerly
neglected by
the followers
of Einstein's
relativity
(and which do
not exist in
the Lorentzian
way of
relativity).<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">The
quantifiable
properties of
spacetime
imply that
there should
be boundary
conditions
which imply
that the waves
in spacetime
should be
nonlinear.
When the
nonlinear
component is
calculated and
treated as
separate
waves, the
characteristics
of the
particle’s
gravitational
field are
obtained
(correct:
curvature,
effect on the
rate of time,
force and
energy
density).</span></div>
</div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">In my
last post I
have given an
answer about
the factor of
10<sup class="yiv0505623334">120</sup><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>difference between
the observable
energy density
of the
universe and
the
non-observable
energy of the
universe.
This
non-observable
energy density
is absolutely
necessary for
QED
calculations,
zero point
energy, the
uncertainty
principle,
Lamb shift,
spontaneous
emission and
quantum
mechanics in
general. This
non-observable
energy density
is responsible
for the
tremendously
large
impedance of
spacetime c<sup class="yiv0505623334">3</sup>/G. Since I can also show how this
non-observable
energy density
is obtainable
from
gravitational
wave
equations, it
is necessary
for<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="yiv0505623334">you</b><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>to
show how all
these effects
can be
achieved
without
spacetime
being a single
field with
this
non-observable
energy
density. In
fact, the name
non-observable
only applied
to direct
observation.
The indirect
evidence is
everywhere.
It forms the
basis of the
universe and
therefore is
the
“background
noise” of the
universe. For
this reason it
is not
directly
observable
because we can
only detect
differences in
energy. The
constants<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="yiv0505623334">c,</i><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="yiv0505623334">G</i>,<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="yiv0505623334">ħ</i><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="yiv0505623334">ε<sub class="yiv0505623334">o</sub></i><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>testify
that spacetime
is not an
empty void. <span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Up
to now I did
not find any
necessity for
zero-point
energy. And I
find it a
dangerous way
to assume
physical facts
which cannot
be observed.
The greatest
argument in
favour of this
energy is its
use in Feynman
diagrams. But
is there
really no
other way? I
have a lecture
of Feynman
here where he
states that
his formalism
has good
results. But
that he has no
physical
understanding
why it is
successful. In
my
understanding
of the
development of
physics this
is a weak
point.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
The
discrepancy of
10^120 between
assumed and
observed
energy is
taken as a
great and
unresolved
problem by
present main
stream
physics. Those
representatives
would have all
reason to find
a solution to
keep present
QM clean. But
they are not
able to. This
causes me some
concern.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
The constants
you have
listed: c is
the speed of
light what
ever the
reason for it
is. (I have a
model, but it
is a bit
speculative.)
But it has
nothing to do
with energy. G
is the
gravitational
constant which
is as little
understood as
gravity
itself.
Planck's
constant I
have
explained, it
is (with c)
the field
constant of
the strong
force (any
force has to
be described
by a field
constant); and<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">ε<sub class="yiv0505623334">o</sub></span></i><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">is
the field
constant of
the electric
force with a
similar
background.<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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</div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
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<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">If
spacetime was
an empty void,
why should
particles have
a speed limit
of<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="yiv0505623334">c</i>? For a thought experiment, suppose that two
spaceships
leave earth
going opposite
directions and
accelerate
until they
reach a speed
of 0.75<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="yiv0505623334">c</i><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>relative
to the earth.
The earth
bound observer
sees them
separating at
1.5<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="yiv0505623334">c</i><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>but
the rules of
relativistic
addition of
velocity has a
spaceship
observer
seeing the
other
spaceship
moving away at
only 0.96<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="yiv0505623334">c</i>.
How is this
possible if
spacetime is
an empty
void. My
model of the
universe
answers this
because all
particles,
fields and
forces are
also made of
the spacetime
field and they
combine to
achieve
Lorentz
transformations
which affects
ruler length
and clocks.
None of this
can happen
unless
spacetime is
filled with
dipole waves
in spacetime
and everything
is made of the
single
component.
The universe
is only
spacetime.<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">If
two spaceships
move at 0.75 c
in opposite
direction, the
observer at
rest may add
these speeds
and may get
1.5 c as a
result. Why
not? If an
observer in
one of the
spaceships
measures the
relative speed
of the other
spaceship, the
result will be
less then c
(as you write
it). The
reason is the
well known
fact that the
measurement
tools
accessible for
the observer
in the ship
are changed
and run
differently at
this high
speed. The
reason for
these changes
is for time
dilation the
internal speed
c in
elementary
particles. For
contraction it
is the
contraction of
fields at
motion which
is a fact
independent of
relativity
(and which was
already known
before
Einstein). In
addition when
the speed of
another object
is to be
measured
several clocks
are to be used
positioned
along the
measurement
section. These
clocks are
de-synchronized
in relation to
the clocks of
the observer
at rest. These
phenomena
together cause
the
measurement
result < c.
You find these
considerations
in papers and
books about
the Lorentzian
interpretation
of relativity.
So, following
Lorentz, there
is no reason
to assume
Einstein's
spacetime.</span><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"></span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">John M.</span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Perhaps
I should read
your book. But
that chould
take a lot of
time, I am
afraid.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Albrecht<span class="yiv0505623334Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(225, 225, 225);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;">
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><b class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Dr.
Albrecht Giese
[<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" ymailto="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" ymailto="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">mailto:genmail@a-giese.de</a>]<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">Sent:</b><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, September 13,
2015 1:43 PM<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">To:</b><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>John Macken<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:john@macken.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:john@macken.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:john@macken.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:john@macken.com"><john@macken.com></a>;
'Nature of
Light and
Particles -
General
Discussion'<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">Subject:</b><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General]
research
papers</span></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Hello
John,<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
great that you
have looked so
deeply into
the model
which I have
presented.
Thank you.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
There are some
questions
which I can
answer quite
easily. I
think that
this model in
fact explains
several points
just in
contrast to
main stream
physics. In
standard
physics the
electron (just
as an example)
is a
point-like
object without
any internal
structure. So,
how can a
magnetic
moment be
explained? How
can the spin
be explained?
How can the
mass be
explained? The
position of
main stream
physics is:
That cannot be
explained but
is subject to
quantum
mechanics. And
the fact that
it cannot be
explained
shows how
necessary QM
is.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
In contrast,
if the
electron is
assumed to
have a
structure like
in the model
presented,
these
parameters can
be explained
in a classical
way, and this
explanation is
not merely a
qualitative
one but has
precise
quantitative
results.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
To your
questions in
detail:<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
The fact of
two basic
particles is
necessary to
explain the
fact of an
oscillation
and to fulfil
the
conservation
of momentum. A
single object
(as
point-like)
cannot
oscillate. The
basic
particles are
composed of
charges of the
strong force.
In this model
the strong
force is
assumed to be
the universal
force in our
world
effective on
all particles.
A charge is a
fundamental
object in the
scope of this
model. There
are two kinds
of charges
according to
the two kinds
of forces in
our world, the
strong one and
the electric
one. The weak
force is in
fact the
strong force
but has a
smaller
coupling
constant
caused by
geometric
circumstances.
And gravity is
not a force at
all but a
refraction
process, which
is so a side
effect of the
other forces.
And, by the
way, gravity
is not curved
spacetime.
This is not
necessary, and
besides of
this,
Einstein's
spacetime
leads to
logical
conflicts.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
The forces
(i.e. strong
force) inside
an elementary
particle are
configured in
a way that at
a certain
distance there
is a potential
minimum and in
this way the
distance
between the
basic
particles is
enforced. So,
this field has
attracting and
repulsive
components.
Outside the
elementary
particle the
attracting
forces
dominate to
make the
particle a
stable one.
And those
field parts
outside have
an opposite
sign. Now, as
the basic
particles are
orbiting each
other, the
outside field
is an
alternating
field (of the
strong forth).
If this field
propagates, it
is builds a
wave. This
wave is
described by
the
Schrödinger
equation and
fulfils the
assumptions of
de Broglie.<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
With the
assumption of
two basic
particles
orbiting at c
and subject to
strong force,
the parameters
mass, magnetic
moment, spin
result from it
numerically
correctly
without
further
assumptions.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
This model
does not need
any vacuum
energy or
virtual
particles.
Those are
simply not
necessary and
they are
anyway very
speculative
because not
directly
observable.
And in the
case of the
vacuum energy
of the
universe we
are confronted
with the
discrepancy of
10^120 which
you also
mention in
your paper
attached to
your mail.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
The Coulomb
law can be
easily
explained by
the assumption
(standard at
quantum
mechanics)
that a force
is realized by
exchange
particles. The
density of
exchange
particles and
so the
strength of
the field
diminishes by
1/r^2, which
is simple
geometry.<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
So John, this
is my
position. Now
I am curious
about your
objections of
further
questions.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Best regards<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Albrecht<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Am
11.09.2015 um
23:51 schrieb
John Macken:</span></div>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote class="yiv0505623334" type="cite" style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;">
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Hello
Albrecht and
All,</span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">I have
attached a one
page addition
that I will
make to my
book. It is a
preliminary
explanation of
my model of
the spacetime
field. It has
been very
helpful to me
to interact
with this
group because
I now
understand
better the key
stumbling
block for some
scientists to
accept my
thesis.
Therefore I
have written
the attached
introduction
to ease the
reader of my
book into my
model. <span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><b class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Albrecht:</span></b><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> <span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>I
appreciate
your email.
We agree on
several points
which include
the size of
the electron
and there is a
similarity in
the
explanation of
gravity. The
key points of
disagreement
are the same
as I have with
the rest of
the group.
Your
explanation of
a fundamental
particle is
not really an
explanation.
You substitute
a fundamental
particle such
as an electron
with two
“basic
particles”.
Have we made
any progress
or did we just
double the
problem? What
is your basic
particles made
of? What is
the physics
behind the
force of
attraction
between the
particles?
What is the
physics behind
an electric
field? How
does your
model create
de Broglie
waves? How
does your
model create a
gravitational
field (curved
spacetime)?
Can you derive
the Coulomb
law and
Newtonian
gravitational
equation from
your model? <span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">These
might seem
like unfair
questions, but
my model does
all of these
things. All it
requires is
the reader
accept the
fact that the
vacuum
possesses
activity which
can be
characterized
as a type of
energy density
that is not
observable (no
rest mass or
momentum).
This is no
different that
accepting that
QED
calculations
should be
believed when
they assume
vacuum energy
or that zero
point energy
really
exists. <span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><b class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Albrecht</span></b><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">, perhaps
I have come on
too strong,
but I have
decided to
take a firmer
stand. You
just happen to
be the first
person that I
contrast to my
model. I am
actually happy
to discuss the
scientific
details in a
less
confrontational
way. I just
wanted to make
an initial
point.</span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">John M.</span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334" style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(225, 225, 225);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;">
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><b class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">General
[</span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:purple;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-freetext" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a></span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">]<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="yiv0505623334">On
Behalf Of<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dr. Albrecht
Giese<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">Sent:</b><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, September 11,
2015 9:52 AM<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">To:</b><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<b class="yiv0505623334">Subject:</b><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General]
research
papers</span></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Dear
John Macken,<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
I would like
to answer a
specific topic
in your mail
below. You
write "...
would have
particular
relevance to
the concept
that the Higgs
field is
needed to give
inertia to
fermions".<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
We should not
overlook that
even
mainstream
physicists
working on
elementary
particles
admit that the
Higgs theory
is not able to
explain
inertia. I
give you as a
reference:<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">>Steven
D. Brass, The
cosmological
constant
puzzle,
Journal of
Physics G,
Nuclear and
Particle
Physics 38,
4(2011)
43201< ,</span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria;"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">which has
the result
that the Higgs
field, which
causes inertia
according to
the theory, is
by at least 56
orders of
magnitude too
small to
explain the
mass of the
elementary
particles.
(Another
weakness is
the fact that
the Higgs
theory does
not tell us
the mass of
any elementary
particle even
if all other
parameters are
known.)<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
As you may
remember, in
our meeting I
have presented
a model
explaining
inertia which
does not only
work as a
general idea
but provides
very precise
results for
the mass of
leptons. The
mass is
classically
deduced from
the size of a
particle. It
also explains
the mass of
quarks, but
here the
verification
is more
difficult, due
to the lack of
measurements.
In addition I
have shown
that the model
also explains
the (dynamic)
mass of
photons, if
the size of a
photon is
related to its
wavelength.<span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
You may find
details in the
proceedings of
our San Diego
meeting, but
also on the
following web
sites:<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
</span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:purple;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" href="http://www.ag-physics.org/rmass">www.ag-physics.org/rmass</a></span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
</span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:purple;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0505623334moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" href="http://www.ag-physics.org/electron">www.ag-physics.org/electron</a></span><span class="yiv0505623334apple-converted-space"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></span><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
You may also
find the sites
by Google
search
entering the
string "origin
of mass". You
will find it
on position 1
or 2 of the
list, where it
has constantly
been during
the past 12
years.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
If you have
any questions
about it,
please ask me.
I will be
happy about
any
discussion.<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
With best
regards<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
Albrecht Giese</span><br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<br clear="none" class="yiv0505623334">
<span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Am
04.09.2015 um
18:40 schrieb
John Macken:</span></div>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote class="yiv0505623334" type="cite" style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;">
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Martin,</span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv0505623334">
<div class="yiv0505623334"><span class="yiv0505623334" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">I wanted
to remind you
that I think
that you
should update
your article
“Light Is
Heavy” to
include the
mathematical
proof that
confined light
has exactly
the same
inertia as
particles with
equal energy.
Accelerating a
reflecting box
causes
different
photon
pressure which
results in a
net inertial
force. I
already
reference your
Light Is Heavy
article in my
book, but
expanding the
article would
be even
better. An
expanded
article would
have
particular
relevance to
the concept
that the Higgs
field is
needed to give
inertia to
fermions. The
Higgs field is
not needed to
give inertia
to confined
light.
Furthermore,
confined light
exerts exactly
the correct
inertia and
kinetic
energy, even
at
relativistic
conditions. I
have not seen
a proof that
the Higgs
field gives
exactly the
correct amount
of inertia or
kinetic energy
to fermions.
Any particle
model that
includes
either a
confined
photon or
confined waves
in spacetime
propagating at
the speed of
light gets
inertia and
kinetic energy
from the same
principles as
confined light
in a
reflecting
box.</span></div>
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