<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>Albrecht,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28565"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28563">While the current research focus is on getting photonic-based electron theory correct, an obvious goal would be to extend a building-block theory to all elementary particles, both simple (electron) and complex (proton, neutron, meson, etc)</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28562"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28562"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28810">To that end, one needs to address and parse some seemingly "what is it?" moments. Is it a particle or a wave? Is it mass or energy? Is it moving or not? Is there a reference frame </span>dependency?</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28562"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28562" dir="ltr">As to relativistic contraction, the general physics assumption is that charge is invariant especially in flat space. So, the charge to mass ratio for various particles is rather fixed. This leads me to a question everyone has been walking around...</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28562" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28562" dir="ltr">If mass = E/c^2, and we convert mass completely to energy - say a photon, then where did all the charge go?</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28561"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28561"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28561"><span>D</span></div><br> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28315"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28314"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28313"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28312"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28557"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28558"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Dr. Albrecht Giese <genmail@a-giese.de><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> davidmathes8@yahoo.com; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 19, 2015 8:29 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Strong Force Modeling<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28559"><br><div id="yiv1312190783"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28560">
David,<br clear="none">
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you have given here some criteria or properties which have to be
fulfilled by a particle model. I shall try to answer this by listing
some points which make up my model following your topics.<br clear="none">
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The particle model which I propose is not restricted to the electron
but is assumed to be valid for all leptons and as well for all
quarks.<br clear="none">
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To your challenges:<br clear="none">
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In this model a charge is an elementary entity, a kind of an "atom"
in the real sense which causes a force onto a similar object. There
a two kinds of charges in the model: the electric one and the strong
one. The weak one is in fact the strong one but with a reduced
coupling constant, caused by a different shape of the configurations
having these charges. - Maybe that in the future development of
particle physics we will find a more fundamental cause of charges.
At present I do not see any, and in the present situation it seems
not to be an urgent question.<br clear="none">
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The case of 8 gluons: We know that elementary particles react with
certain others, but not with all. Particle physicists have made an
ad-hoc assumption to "explain", or better to order this situation by
assigning further quantum numbers to elementary particles, like
isospin, strangeness, lepton number, quark number. The colour of
gluons seems to be a similar category. These are in my case further
properties of the "basic" particles, which are not described by the
model as they do not influence the properties of the particles which
I presently care about, like the inertial mass and momentum, which
is explained by this model, as well as the conservation of energy,
which is also explained (not only used!) by this model.<br clear="none">
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Leptoquarks have been an ad-hoc assumption to explain interactions
between leptons and quarks. This assumption was not successful and
is in fact not needed if the assumption of my model, that leptons
are also subject to the strong force, is accepted. <br clear="none">
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From this model follows gravitation as I have explained earlier. The
exchange particles interact with light-like particles (photons and
"basic" particles) and cause them to reduce their speed below c.
From this all aspects of gravitation can be quantitatively deduced,
Newton' gravity as well the results of Einstein's GRT.<br clear="none">
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Inertia is the direct consequence of this model. An elementary
particle is, according to this model, extended, and any extended
object has inevitably an inertial behaviour. I have shown (and show
it in my web site) that with reference to this mechanism the mass of
the electron can be determined with an accuracy of almost 1 : 1
million. <br clear="none">
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I am using exchange particles as mediators for the forces in a
particle, which are the electric force and the strong force. The
main advantage for the use in my model is that they provide a good
physical explanation for the relativistic contraction.<br clear="none">
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Best regards<br clear="none">
Albrecht<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1312190783moz-cite-prefix">Am 16.10.2015 um 17:41 schrieb
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv1312190783moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a>:<br clear="none">
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<div id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3000">Albrecht</div>
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<div class="yiv1312190783" id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3000">If the
electron modeling is to succeed and gain wide acceptance, then
the modeling needs to become a foundation that can be built on
to develop other Elementary Particles. While photonic electron
theories may be that foundation, there are three challenges.
First, explaining charge and the source of charge. Second,
modeling the eight gluons - one would usually be enough, but
eight...? Third, modeling the transitory nature of quarks and
leptoquarks.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3000">Modeling the
electron to satisfy the leptoquark theory may involve
force-bound states. If so, then in order for a lepton-quark
interaction, given the E&M nature of the electron or even
electroweak, no matter how transiently a leptoquark may
require an electron with the addition of the strong nuclear
force. Modeling a fully loaded electron with E&M, weak and
strong forces may prove challenging. However, this path may
lead towards explaining gravitation and inertia.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3000">For the
experts in electron modeling, perhaps the key to unlocking
what's inside elementary is gluons. Glueballs (gluonium) may
be worth the effort of modeling. </div>
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<div id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3000">David</div>
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could be so-called “glueball” particle made purely of
nuclear force</a><br clear="none" class="yiv1312190783" id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3497">
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3000">"<span class="yiv1312190783" id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3483" style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51);font-family:ProximaNova, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial;font-size:18px;">Elementary
particles come in two kinds: those that carry force (</span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv1312190783" id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3485" target="_blank" href="http://www.gizmag.com/tag/boson/" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);border:0px;font-family:ProximaNova, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial;font-size:18px;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(30, 141, 215);text-decoration:none;">bosons</a><span class="yiv1312190783" id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3487" style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51);font-family:ProximaNova, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial;font-size:18px;">), such as
photons, and those that make up matter (</span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv1312190783" id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3489" target="_blank" href="http://www.gizmag.com/tag/fermions/" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);border:0px;font-family:ProximaNova, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial;font-size:18px;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(30, 141, 215);text-decoration:none;">fermions</a><span class="yiv1312190783" id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3491" style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51);font-family:ProximaNova, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial;font-size:18px;">), such as
electrons. In this context, gluons may be viewed as more
complex forms of the photon. However, as photons are the
force carriers for electromagnetism, gluons exhibit a
similar role for the strong nuclear force. The major
difference between the two, however, is that <span id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_4209"><i id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_4208">gluons are able to
be influenced by their own forces, whereas photons are
not.</i></span> <b id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_4207"><i id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_4206">As a result,
photons cannot exist in force-bound states, though
gluons, which are attracted by force to each other, make
a particle of pure (strong) nuclear force possible."</i></b></span></div>
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enhancement of scalar glueball decay in the
Witten-Sakai-Sugimoto model</a></div>
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