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Dear David, dear Martin:<br>
<br>
Mass<i> IS</i> energy??? How that?<br>
<br>
What is mass? Mass is the resistance against a change of the motion
state. <br>
What is energy? Energy is the ability to do work.<br>
<br>
What does it help us if we unify notions which are clearly
independently defined and have a different meaning?<br>
<br>
If we look into an elementary particle (like my model) it is easy to
show that if a particle accepts additional energy, then the mass
will increase. But that is a specific process (a conversion). It can
be deduced from basics, and that is then physics. Or take an
exchange particle of e.g. the electric field. Or, better, an
exchange particle of the strong field which is a gluon. A gluon has
no mass but can transport energy, so it has energy intrinsically,
but no mass.<br>
<br>
It was Einstein's idea that energy is the same as mass, and that was
a bad "egg" which he has put into the nest.<br>
<br>
Very similar Einstein's idea that gravity and acceleration are two
words for the same thing, No, they are not the same. I have
explained this in a previous comment. If a charged object is
accelerated, it radiates. If a charged object is at rest in a
gravitational field, it does not radiate. So, both are different.
Another aspect: In a gravitational field we have dilation, at
acceleration there is no dilation. - It is interesting that this
(wrong) equalization of gravity and acceleration has let Einstein to
his assumption of a 'curved' space. So. please forget the curved
space. One of the big errors of the 20th century. <br>
<br>
It is true that these facts are used to be ignored in physical
discussions, but that doesn't make things better.<br>
<br>
Best wishes<br>
Albrecht<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 19.10.2015 um 20:34 schrieb Mark,
Martin van der:<br>
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<div>Dear David,</div>
<div>First: Mass cannot be concerted to energy, never under any
circumstances! </div>
<div>Rather mass IS energy, see "light is heavy" for explanation.</div>
<div>Second: Whenever matter is converted to radiation (this what
you meat, right), charge is (and must be) conserved, always. An
electron and positron covert to photons, for example, and there
is no net charge at any time.</div>
<div>Cheers, Martin</div>
<div><br>
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone</div>
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Op 19 okt. 2015 om 20:20 heeft "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div><span>Albrecht,</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28565"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28563">While the current
research focus is on getting photonic-based electron
theory correct, an obvious goal would be to extend a
building-block theory to all elementary particles, both
simple (electron) and complex (proton, neutron, meson,
etc)</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28562"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28562"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28810">To that end, one
needs to address and parse some seemingly "what is it?"
moments. Is it a particle or a wave? Is it mass or
energy? Is it moving or not? Is there a reference frame </span>dependency?</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28562"><br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28562" dir="ltr">As to
relativistic contraction, the general physics assumption
is that charge is invariant especially in flat space. So,
the charge to mass ratio for various particles is rather
fixed. This leads me to a question everyone has been
walking around...</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28562" dir="ltr"><br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28562" dir="ltr">If mass
= E/c^2, and we convert mass completely to energy - say a
photon, then where did all the charge go?</div>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, October 19, 2015 8:29 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: Strong Force Modeling<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1445268100742_28560">David,<br
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you have given here some criteria or properties
which have to be fulfilled by a particle model.
I shall try to answer this by listing some
points which make up my model following your
topics.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
The particle model which I propose is not
restricted to the electron but is assumed to be
valid for all leptons and as well for all
quarks.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
To your challenges:<br clear="none">
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In this model a charge is an elementary entity,
a kind of an "atom" in the real sense which
causes a force onto a similar object. There a
two kinds of charges in the model: the electric
one and the strong one. The weak one is in fact
the strong one but with a reduced coupling
constant, caused by a different shape of the
configurations having these charges. - Maybe
that in the future development of particle
physics we will find a more fundamental cause of
charges. At present I do not see any, and in the
present situation it seems not to be an urgent
question.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
The case of 8 gluons: We know that elementary
particles react with certain others, but not
with all. Particle physicists have made an
ad-hoc assumption to "explain", or better to
order this situation by assigning further
quantum numbers to elementary particles, like
isospin, strangeness, lepton number, quark
number. The colour of gluons seems to be a
similar category. These are in my case further
properties of the "basic" particles, which are
not described by the model as they do not
influence the properties of the particles which
I presently care about, like the inertial mass
and momentum, which is explained by this model,
as well as the conservation of energy, which is
also explained (not only used!) by this model.<br
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Leptoquarks have been an ad-hoc assumption to
explain interactions between leptons and quarks.
This assumption was not successful and is in
fact not needed if the assumption of my model,
that leptons are also subject to the strong
force, is accepted.
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>From this model follows gravitation as I
have explained earlier. The exchange particles
interact with light-like particles (photons and
"basic" particles) and cause them to reduce
their speed below c. From this all aspects of
gravitation can be quantitatively deduced,
Newton' gravity as well the results of
Einstein's GRT.<br clear="none">
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Inertia is the direct consequence of this model.
An elementary particle is, according to this
model, extended, and any extended object has
inevitably an inertial behaviour. I have shown
(and show it in my web site) that with reference
to this mechanism the mass of the electron can
be determined with an accuracy of almost 1 : 1
million.
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I am using exchange particles as mediators for
the forces in a particle, which are the electric
force and the strong force. The main advantage
for the use in my model is that they provide a
good physical explanation for the relativistic
contraction.<br clear="none">
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Best regards<br clear="none">
Albrecht<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1312190783moz-cite-prefix">Am
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<div
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id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3000">If
the electron modeling is to succeed and
gain wide acceptance, then the modeling
needs to become a foundation that can be
built on to develop other Elementary
Particles. While photonic electron
theories may be that foundation, there
are three challenges. First, explaining
charge and the source of charge. Second,
modeling the eight gluons - one would
usually be enough, but eight...? Third,
modeling the transitory nature of quarks
and leptoquarks.</div>
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id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3000">Modeling
the electron to satisfy the leptoquark
theory may involve force-bound states.
If so, then in order for a lepton-quark
interaction, given the E&M nature of
the electron or even electroweak, no
matter how transiently a leptoquark may
require an electron with the addition of
the strong nuclear force. Modeling a
fully loaded electron with E&M, weak
and strong forces may prove challenging.
However, this path may lead towards
explaining gravitation and inertia.</div>
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id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_3000">For
the experts in electron modeling,
perhaps the key to unlocking what's
inside elementary is gluons. Glueballs
(gluonium) may be worth the effort of
modeling. </div>
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f0(1710) could be so-called glueball
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electrons. In this context, gluons may
be viewed as more complex forms of the
photon. However, as photons are the
force carriers for electromagnetism,
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strong nuclear force. The major
difference between the two, however,
is that <span
id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_4209"><i
id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_4208">gluons are able to be
influenced by their own forces,
whereas photons are not.</i></span>
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id="yiv1312190783yui_3_16_0_1_1445008406969_4206">As a result, photons
cannot exist in force-bound
states, though gluons, which are
attracted by force to each other,
make a particle of pure (strong)
nuclear force possible."</i></b></span></div>
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Nonchiral enhancement of scalar
glueball decay in the
Witten-Sakai-Sugimoto model</a></div>
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