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    Hi Al,<br>
    <br>
    I share your concern about continuous emission. But I think that
    this concern does not apply to a simple model of charged particles
    not being photons. If e.g. two charges or two charged objects orbit
    each other in free space where there is no else interaction, this
    configuration does not consume any energy, so it should orbit
    forever. If these two charges would be at rest, there would be a
    static field around this configuration. If the charges circle around
    each other, then this field is a changing field. The field is
    generally able to interact with other charges (however it will not
    interact as long as this configuration is alone in space). As this
    field propagates into all directions (normally with c) it will cause
    an alternating field which looks like a wave. Of course this field
    can interact with other charges which react back to the particle
    configuration. In this way a guiding effect is possible. And when
    this happens, there can be of course an exchange of energy. <br>
    <br>
    Do you have any problems with this view?<br>
    <br>
    Regards, Albrecht<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.11.2015 um 17:35 schrieb
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>:<br>
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          <div>Hi Albrecht:</div>
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          <div>You are qutie correct, when focusing on the historically
            pure story.  What deBroglie himself did was  too "huristic"
            to make real good sense---I seem to recall reading somewhere
            that he himself said as much. The deBroglie wave I tend to
            ralk about is the version I used to rationalize QM.  It's
            different from the origional deBroglie wave, but I can't get
            myself to call it the Kracklauer wave (although I am unaware
            of any competing priority claims).  Further, the
            modifications actually pertain virtually exclusively to the
            palaver and not the math involved.  In the mean time,
            others, including yourself, have come up with similar
            explantions (not really new models) for the original form. </div>
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          <div>In any case, I find serious fault only with those models
            that require continious emission as they don't explain where
            the energy for such a process comes from. Upon reflection,
            it seems im fact that this objection pertains to all photon
            and wave models of light in general. </div>
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          <div>regards,  Al</div>
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              <div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch,
                04. November 2015 um 16:52 Uhr<br>
                <b>Von:</b> "Albrecht Giese" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:phys@a-giese.de"><phys@a-giese.de></a><br>
                <b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> "Richard Gauthier"
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><richgauthier@gmail.com></a>, "Nature of Light and
                Particles - General Discussion"
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a>,
                "Joakim Pettersson" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joakimbits@gmail.com"><joakimbits@gmail.com></a>,
                "Ariane Mandray" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ariane.mandray@wanadoo.fr"><ariane.mandray@wanadoo.fr></a><br>
                <b>Betreff:</b> Re: Aw: Re: [General] research papers</div>
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                  <div>Hi Al,</div>
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                  <div id="AppleMailSignature">I think that you meet the
                    point quite well. However, the restriction which we
                    both see on the de Broglie wave does not follow from
                    the deduction done by de Broglie. For him this
                    "ficticious wave" is not related to an interaction
                    but accompanies the particle all the time. And
                    otherwise it would not have been logical for
                    Schrödinger to incorporate de Broglie's Ansatz into
                    his wave function.</div>
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                  <div id="AppleMailSignature">Tschüß</div>
                  <div id="AppleMailSignature">Albrecht</div>
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                    Von meinem iPad gesendet</div>
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                    Am 04.11.2015 um 07:33 schrieb <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true" href="af.kracklauer@web.de"
                      target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:<br>
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                          <div>Hi Albrecht & readers:</div>
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                          <div>Seems to me that your resolution
                            (proposed) for the problem you have with
                            deBroglie waves actually points at the
                            reason there is no problem.  The key:
                            deBroglie waves are a characteristic of the
                            interaction of the particle with other
                            particles, not an intrinsic property of only
                            the particle.  In this sense it "worls" in
                            (better put: with respct to) in all frames,
                            as the "other" particles can be in any
                            frame.  There is no reason to demand that it
                            be Lorentz invariant.  Doing so is
                            mechanically applying a notion without
                            regard for its originor or function.</div>
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                          <div>The drawback (as I see it) to your
                            "reflection-conception" is that it requires
                            the primary particle to be continiously
                            emmiting waves (to get reflected) without
                            providing (so far at least) an energy source
                            for this continious emission.</div>
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                          <div>Tuschss,  Al</div>
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                              <div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag,
                                03. November 2015 um 17:58 Uhr<br>
                                <b>Von:</b> "Albrecht Giese" <<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="phys@a-giese.de"
                                  target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:phys@a-giese.de">phys@a-giese.de</a></a>><br>
                                <b>An:</b> "Richard Gauthier" <<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="richgauthier@gmail.com"
                                  target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a></a>><br>
                                <b>Cc:</b> "(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="af.kracklauer@web.de"
                                  target="_parent">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>)"
                                <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="af.kracklauer@web.de"
                                  target="_parent">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>>,
                                "Nature of Light and Particles - General
                                Discussion" <<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                                  target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a></a>>,
                                "Joakim Pettersson" <<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="joakimbits@gmail.com"
                                  target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joakimbits@gmail.com">joakimbits@gmail.com</a></a>>,
                                "Ariane Mandray" &</div>
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