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Hi Al,<br>
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I share your concern about continuous emission. But I think that
this concern does not apply to a simple model of charged particles
not being photons. If e.g. two charges or two charged objects orbit
each other in free space where there is no else interaction, this
configuration does not consume any energy, so it should orbit
forever. If these two charges would be at rest, there would be a
static field around this configuration. If the charges circle around
each other, then this field is a changing field. The field is
generally able to interact with other charges (however it will not
interact as long as this configuration is alone in space). As this
field propagates into all directions (normally with c) it will cause
an alternating field which looks like a wave. Of course this field
can interact with other charges which react back to the particle
configuration. In this way a guiding effect is possible. And when
this happens, there can be of course an exchange of energy. <br>
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Do you have any problems with this view?<br>
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Regards, Albrecht<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.11.2015 um 17:35 schrieb
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>:<br>
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<div>Hi Albrecht:</div>
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<div>You are qutie correct, when focusing on the historically
pure story. What deBroglie himself did was too "huristic"
to make real good sense---I seem to recall reading somewhere
that he himself said as much. The deBroglie wave I tend to
ralk about is the version I used to rationalize QM. It's
different from the origional deBroglie wave, but I can't get
myself to call it the Kracklauer wave (although I am unaware
of any competing priority claims). Further, the
modifications actually pertain virtually exclusively to the
palaver and not the math involved. In the mean time,
others, including yourself, have come up with similar
explantions (not really new models) for the original form. </div>
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<div>In any case, I find serious fault only with those models
that require continious emission as they don't explain where
the energy for such a process comes from. Upon reflection,
it seems im fact that this objection pertains to all photon
and wave models of light in general. </div>
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<div>regards, Al</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch,
04. November 2015 um 16:52 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Albrecht Giese" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:phys@a-giese.de"><phys@a-giese.de></a><br>
<b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "Richard Gauthier"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><richgauthier@gmail.com></a>, "Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a>,
"Joakim Pettersson" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joakimbits@gmail.com"><joakimbits@gmail.com></a>,
"Ariane Mandray" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ariane.mandray@wanadoo.fr"><ariane.mandray@wanadoo.fr></a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: Aw: Re: [General] research papers</div>
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<div>Hi Al,</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">I think that you meet the
point quite well. However, the restriction which we
both see on the de Broglie wave does not follow from
the deduction done by de Broglie. For him this
"ficticious wave" is not related to an interaction
but accompanies the particle all the time. And
otherwise it would not have been logical for
Schrödinger to incorporate de Broglie's Ansatz into
his wave function.</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Tschüß</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">Albrecht</div>
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Von meinem iPad gesendet</div>
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Am 04.11.2015 um 07:33 schrieb <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="af.kracklauer@web.de"
target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:<br>
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<div>Hi Albrecht & readers:</div>
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<div>Seems to me that your resolution
(proposed) for the problem you have with
deBroglie waves actually points at the
reason there is no problem. The key:
deBroglie waves are a characteristic of the
interaction of the particle with other
particles, not an intrinsic property of only
the particle. In this sense it "worls" in
(better put: with respct to) in all frames,
as the "other" particles can be in any
frame. There is no reason to demand that it
be Lorentz invariant. Doing so is
mechanically applying a notion without
regard for its originor or function.</div>
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<div>The drawback (as I see it) to your
"reflection-conception" is that it requires
the primary particle to be continiously
emmiting waves (to get reflected) without
providing (so far at least) an energy source
for this continious emission.</div>
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<div>Tuschss, Al</div>
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<div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag,
03. November 2015 um 17:58 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Albrecht Giese" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="phys@a-giese.de"
target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:phys@a-giese.de">phys@a-giese.de</a></a>><br>
<b>An:</b> "Richard Gauthier" <<a
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href="richgauthier@gmail.com"
target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a></a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="af.kracklauer@web.de"
target="_parent">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>)"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="af.kracklauer@web.de"
target="_parent">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>>,
"Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a></a>>,
"Joakim Pettersson" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="joakimbits@gmail.com"
target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joakimbits@gmail.com">joakimbits@gmail.com</a></a>>,
"Ariane Mandray" &</div>
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