<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hello Albrecht,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> There is a very well-known paper by Bohr, Kramers and Slater (the BKS paper) in 1924 that challenged conservation of energy and momentum in individual electron-photon reactions except on a statistical level. That hypothesis was disproved experimentally by more detailed Compton-type experiments. Bohr admitted that experiments had proved their hypothesis wrong. Obviously I am not proposing going against accepted experimental evidence. But no one has done such experiments at the sub-particle level for an electron that am aware of, since electrons are not even supposed in standard model physics to have a sub-particle structure (except for a cloud of e-p pairs surround a bare charge). But high energy experiments DO show no evidence for a 2-particle structure of the electron as in your model.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In the double-loop photon model the value of delta x delta p (i.e. Xrms x Prms) for the circulating photon moving in a radius hbar/2mc with circulating momentum mc falls (as I recall) below the Heisenberg uncertainty principle cutoff value of hbar/2 . Perhaps this means that such a possible “violation” of conservation of momentum by a single quantum particle at this level is permitted since such a violation cannot (at least theoretically according to Heisenberg) be detected. And yes, perhaps this spatial symmetry rule doesn’t apply at this level. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Richard</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 12, 2015, at 6:20 AM, Dr. Albrecht Giese <<a href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" class="">genmail@a-giese.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Hello Richard,<br class="">
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of course you are right, physicists have to be prepared to question
anything which is currently believed in physics. However:<br class="">
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Before we give up a physical law which is very fundamental, we
should be aware of the price we have to pay. If we give up the
conservation of momentum, then we give up the symmetry of space (and
also Newton's 3rd law) which are the causes of this conservation.
And if we give up those fundamentals, then more than 99% of what our
present view of the physical world is, will be void. Is this a price
you are willing to pay?<br class="">
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So again, you are clearly right from the fundamental view, but I
think that the requirement for a single-particle model is not strong
enough to give up something like spacial symmetry. - Acceptable?<br class="">
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Albrecht<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.11.2015 um 23:09 schrieb Richard
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Hello Albrecht,
<div class=""> If conservation of momentum was "never ever"
questioned in physics, then physicists haven’t been doing their
job, which (among other things) is to continually question
everything about physical laws. Physical laws (including quantum
mechanics) are just a summary of what is physically believed to
be the case in the physical world, based on current and past
evidence. No physical law is a sacred cow and unquestionable,
because it could be disproved or modified tomorrow, or later
today, by new evidence to the contrary. </div>
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Richard,<br class="">
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I think that the conservation of momentum is one of the
most fundamental laws in physics. It is even more
fundamental than the conservation of energy. If now an
object is made to move on a circuit there must be a
force or something else which causes the acceleration. A
second object solves this problem. - So there is in my
understanding no need for an experiment as the
conservation of momentum was never ever questioned in
physics (to my knowledge).<br class="">
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You mention a <i class="">double </i>loop. Does this
mean any difference?<br class="">
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Albrecht<br class="">
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Hello Albrecht,
<div class=""> Also, who has ever experimentally
tested the conservation of momentum law for a single
photon circulating in a double-loop at light speed
in a circle of radius hbar/2mc? I think nobody.</div>
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11. November 2015 um 11:54 Uhr<br class="">
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<div class=""><font class="" color="#006600">You said:
A model with only one
particle is in my view
also not possible as it
violates the conservation
of momentum. A single
object can never
oscillate.</font></div>
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<div class=""><font class="" color="#006600">I ask: </font><span style="color: rgb(0, 102,
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19.200000762939453px;" class=""> Why can't a
single particle oscillate
against, or in consort
with, its own virtual
image. (Presuming there is
charge complex
around---mirror in 2d,
negative sphere (I think)
in 3d)? </span></div>
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