<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
Hi David,<br>
<br>
thanks for your response. But, which kind of comments do you like?<br>
<br>
Regarding magnetism: There are no magnetic particles. For magnetism
there is a nice video from veritasium. I recommend to anyone who is
interested in magnetism to view this video. It is very much
entertaining and even though physically correct.<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKSfAkWWN0">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKSfAkWWN0</a><br>
<br>
As far as I know, the electron theory of Paul Dirac which magnetic
monopoles. (That is what I have read.) That confuses me a lot
because at the time of Dirac the origin of magnetism was already
understood. <br>
<br>
Where do you see a requirement for the generation of magnetic
particles? There are electric particles (like the electron) and when
such particle has an internal motion / oscillation, it has
necessarily magnetism as a consequence of special relativity.<br>
<br>
I do not see any connection to dark matter or dark energy. According
to my model, dark matter are in fact photons. This can be
quantitatively confirmed if we assume that gravity is not caused by
mass. (Look at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ag-physics.org/gravity">www.ag-physics.org/gravity</a> ).<br>
<br>
Dark energy is in my view a very simple phenomenon. If we accept
that in former times the speed of light c did have a slightly
greater value, then the result of Doppler evaluation is that the old
supernovae did have a higher speed, and there is no acceleration to
be assumed.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
Albrecht<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.11.2015 um 19:12 schrieb
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a>:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:1131621447.3383246.1447265552357.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com"
type="cite">
<div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff;
font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px">
<div><span>Albrecht</span></div>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19583"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19582">Having read your
papers, I like the particle model comments! </span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19824">As to the second, I'm
wondering in what context or universe magnetic particles might
emerge. Perhaps these are not fundamental particles at
present. Could they be part of dark matter or energy...not
likely.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19824"><br>
</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19824">So if there is no
elementary monopole, Dirac's symmetric approach to charge
falls apart. I'm wondering what Dirac would have thought of
today's asymmetries, asymptotic freedom and CP violations. </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19824"><br>
</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19824">Best</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19824"><br>
</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19824">David</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19824"><br>
</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19824"><br>
</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19818"><br>
</div>
<br>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);
margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19523">
<div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue,
Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size:
16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19522">
<div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue,
Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size:
16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19521">
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19532">
<hr size="1"> <font
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19531" size="2"
face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
Dr. Albrecht Giese <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Wednesday, November 11, 2015 2:54 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [General] Reply of comments from what a model…<br>
</font> </div>
<div class="y_msg_container"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19520"><br>
<div id="yiv5012810035">
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19533"> Hi,<br
clear="none">
<br clear="none">
some few comments from my side.<font
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19816"
color="#003300"> <font
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19817"
color="#006600">In green. </font></font><br
clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<div class="yiv5012810035moz-cite-prefix"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19534">Am
09.11.2015 um 19:36 schrieb <a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
shape="rect"
class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a></a>:<br
clear="none">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19537">
<div
style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande,
sans-serif;font-size:16px;"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19536">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4945"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_20045">John H</span></div>
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4982"><span><br
clear="none">
</span></div>
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4341"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4341">Since
some folks see red when I write, I'll use red
for comments below</div>
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4341"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4402">David</div>
<br clear="none">
<blockquote
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4340"
style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16,
255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4339">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4338">
<div dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4337"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial,
'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
<hr size="1"> <font
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4426"
size="2" face="Arial"> <b
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19635"><span
style="font-weight:bold;"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19634">From:</span></b>
Hodge John <a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
ymailto="mailto:jchodge@frontier.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:jchodge@frontier.com"><jchodge@frontier.com></a><br
clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19636">"davidmathes8@yahoo.com"</a> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"><davidmathes8@yahoo.com></a></a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">"general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a>
<br clear="none">
<b
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19638"><span
style="font-weight:bold;"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19637">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, November 9, 2015 9:28 AM<br
clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [General] Reply of comments from
what a model…<br clear="none">
</font> </div>
<div class="yiv5012810035y_msg_container"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4427"><br clear="none">
<div id="yiv5012810035">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4429">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4428"
style="background-color:rgb(255,
255, 255);">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7694"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);"> </div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7711"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);">Dave</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7711"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);"><br clear="none">
</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7709"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);">I’ve been thinking of
the next layer for a while now.
I think I’ve gone as far a my
model will allow for the photon.
Like you, my current speculation
is that there is a more
elementary particle (I call it a
hod). Because photons have
different energy levels, photons
are assemblies of hods. As I
mention before, elementary
particles should be assemblies
of photons. I’m finding I have
to do some (a lot) of research
on elementary particles. An
electron may have the same
number of hods (energy) in a
different structure.</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7709"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);"><br clear="none">
</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7709"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4341"><font
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4921" color="#9d1811">On a
personal note, I worked a
few summers to pay for
college as a hod carrier
supporting brick layers and
concrete finishers in the
dry desert climate of
Arizona where during August,
the temperature cools off to
95F (35C) and peaks at 115F
(46.1 C). </font></div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4902"
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br
clear="none">
</div>
</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7714"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);">The analogy is the
periodic table. Initially the
periodic table was derived from
organizing chemical properties.
Later the reason for the
organization was modeled aby the
nuclear structure and particle
properties. Likewise, we can
classify the meson octet, the
baryon octet and the triangular
decuplet and the substructure of
the triancle relationships. What
kind of hod structure (better
photon structure) can produce
these relations? That is I’m
looking for “structure” as in
building blocks for the
elementary particles. </div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7716"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);"><br clear="none">
</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7716"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);">
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7718">Any
suggestions? As the periodic
table suggests, we don’t have
to know all the essentials of
elementary particles - only
enough to get started.</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_29794"><br
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_29796"
clear="none">
</div>
</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7716"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><font
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_7740" color="#9d1811">I like
the two particle electron
model (Albrecht?) I have
wondered how to modify the one
particle models (or wave
models) using two particles. </font></div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7716"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><font
color="#9d1811"><br
clear="none">
</font></div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7716"><font
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_28687" color="#9d1811">Three
particle structures
are difficult to think about..
That is only the beginning of
issues though. </font><span
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_28686"
style="color:rgb(157, 24,
17);">The eightfold way or
sixtet structure of triangle
like particles might find a
home in SUSY and E8 which at
least provide some
mathematical basis. Dark
matter/energy solutions need
to be read...</span></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
<font color="#006600">A model with three particles
is not possible. It was thoroughly attempted to
decompose particles like the electron by
bombardment. It was not possible. It would have
been possible for a particle built by three
constituents. It would also be possible for
particles built by two constituents in the case
that the constituents would have individual mass
(in contrast to my model).<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
A model with only one particle is in my view also
not possible as it violates the conservation of
momentum. A single object can never oscillate.<br
clear="none">
</font>
<blockquote type="cite"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19641">
<div
style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande,
sans-serif;font-size:16px;"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447260730724_19640">
<blockquote
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4340"
style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16,
255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4339">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4338">
<div class="yiv5012810035y_msg_container"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4427">
<div id="yiv5012810035">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4429">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4428"
style="background-color:rgb(255,
255, 255);">
<div class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7716"><span
style="color:rgb(157, 24,
17);"><br clear="none">
</span></div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7716"><font
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_28688" color="#9d1811">A
theory of quantum gravitation
is of no help. No evidence of
gravitational waves so far, so
nature is more subtle than we
can measure. </font></div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7716"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);"><br clear="none">
</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7722"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);">I’m unsure I’m taking
your comment correctly. I think
the standard scientists approach
is to try to “fit” the
observations to the theory
rather than to find a model to
explain the observations. As I
mentioned, this results in some
weird ad hoc thinking (dark
matter, Huygens-Fresnel, etc.).
The good news for physicists,
the need then is to expand
(cost) the equipment and the
testing. So the mainstream has a
fear of anything with a speed
> <i class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7724">c.</i>
Whereas, thinking of new model
involves thinking which requires
less funding. Indeed, we are
doing that now. Maybe that is
why Einstein in 1905 was a
patent clerk (outside the
mainstream). </div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7726"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);"> </div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7726"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><font
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_29808" color="#9d1811">I'm
unsure of some of my comments
as well. </font></div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7726"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);"><br clear="none">
</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7726"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4341"><font
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4821" color="#9d1811">The
scientist or research
engineer does try to fit
observation to theory.
However, there seems to be
no shortage of theories
these days. Given numerous
theories for the same set of
observations, one could do a
bit of reverse science or
reverse engineering and see
what theory - with attendant
modeling and simulation -
fits observation. Even if a
number of models fit, like a
suit, some models will feel
comfortable and other will
need tailoring. </font></div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4687"
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br
clear="none">
</div>
</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7728"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);">I think the hod carries
electric field. I don’t have a
model for magnetism except it
must be some action by free hods
(bound hods are photons and
particles). Indeed, why are
there only 2 charges (+ and -)?
It may imply something about the
structure of hods.</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7730"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);"> </div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7730"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><font
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_33125" color="#9d1811">Why
only two charges...don't know.
Push and pull on a geodesic
with any off-geodesic not
within the light cone...?</font></div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7730"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><font
color="#9d1811"><br
clear="none">
</font></div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7730"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><font
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_37542" color="#9d1811">Magnetism
is probably more interesting.
It's everywhere and yet
ignored. We have the B-field
in the photon, the electron
moves and induces a B-field,
and then there are quarks...? </font><span
style="color:rgb(157, 24,
17);">An electron, proton or
neutron has a magnetic moment.
One would expect a quark to
have one simply based on
charge...does it? Do
sub-elementary particles have
E or B charge?</span></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
<font color="#006600">We do not have to care about
magnetism when we think about particle models.
Nature has electric charges but no magnetic
charges. I have explained it earlier that
magnetism is a relativistic side effect of the
electric field, so only a perspective of the
electric field seen from a certain state of
motion. It is a bit analogue to the Coriolis
force. <br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
So, if there is magnetism possible, it appears by
itself. We do not have to model it.<br
clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Best<br clear="none">
Albrecht</font><br clear="none">
<blockquote type="cite">
<div
style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande,
sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
<blockquote
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4340"
style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16,
255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4339">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4338">
<div class="yiv5012810035y_msg_container"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4427">
<div id="yiv5012810035">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4429">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4428"
style="background-color:rgb(255,
255, 255);">
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7730"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><font
color="#9d1811"><br
clear="none">
</font></div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7730"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><font
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_67439" color="#9d1811"> In
the case of the spherical cow,
er, electron, a sub-elementary
particle may be traversing a
spacetime volume within a
spacetime( various torus
models also). </font><span
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_72959"
style="color:rgb(157, 24,
17);">So charge might arise
from the the change in
pressure between two
spacetimes.</span></div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7730"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);"><br clear="none">
</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7732"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);">Whatever the philosophy
of science, the place science
has in our society must be
useful to help humans survive.
This implies prediction of
observations must take center
stage. This means humans must be
able to model nature. Therefore,
the simpler and more inclusive
model is better. </div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7734"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);"> </div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7734"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><font
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_61930" color="#9d1811">Whether
one's philosophy of mankind is
to survive or thrive, simple
often means approximating to
the minimum point where
engineers can do something
(corollary to Occam's razor)</font></div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7734"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7736"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);">Hodge</div>
<div class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447083269911_7738"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);"> </div>
<div dir="ltr"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> </div>
<font color="#9d1811">Best</font></div>
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4428"
style="background-color:rgb(255,
255, 255);"><font color="#9d1811"><br
clear="none">
</font></div>
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_4428"
style="background-color:rgb(255,
255, 255);"><font
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_81771"
color="#9d1811">David</font><br
clear="none">
<div
class="yiv5012810035qtdSeparateBR"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_7716"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);"><br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035yqt0776120805"
id="yiv5012810035yqt42550"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);">
<div
class="yiv5012810035yahoo_quoted"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_57472"
style="display:block;">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_57471"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica,
Arial, Lucida Grande,
sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_57470"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica,
Arial, Lucida Grande,
sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
<div dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_57469">
<font
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447090257809_57468"
size="2" face="Arial">
On Sunday, November 8,
2015 6:01 PM, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
shape="rect"
class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">"davidmathes8@yahoo.com"</a></a>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
shape="rect"
class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"><davidmathes8@yahoo.com></a></a>
wrote:<br clear="none">
</font> </div>
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<div
class="yiv5012810035y_msg_container">
<div id="yiv5012810035">
<div>
<div
style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,
Helvetica Neue,
Helvetica, Arial,
Lucida Grande,
sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12685"><span>John
H</span></div>
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12527"><span><br
clear="none">
</span></div>
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12527"><span
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_13840">For the walking
drops, I agree
that if EM is
not part of
the solution,
there most
likely will be
major issues. </span></div>
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12527"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12527">Yes,
there appears to
be another level
to the
particle-wave
universe
underneath the
elementary
particle layer.
Can we
distinguish
whether the
electron is
photonc or
quanta, or did
the photon
morph, transmute
or transform
into something
other than a
photon. My gut
says all of us
should be
hammering on
building another
layer. At the
same time, this
won't happen
from the
photonic
electron but
require an
understanding of
quarks and
perhaps
neutrinos and
gluons. And that
conjecture is
based on the
assumption that
we know the
essentials of
elementary
particles to do
so. </div>
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12527"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12528">As
a useful tool
for physicists,
Popper
falsification
allows some
heavy filtering
of ideas,
conjectures and
musings. My view
is that
falsification by
one experiment
raises the bar
fairly high but
does not
permanently
block that line
of reasoning no
matter how ill
conceived,
conjectured or
even fantasized
which is more of
a mathematicians
approach. A lot
more rigorous
work will be
required to
refute
falsification of
an experiment.</div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12528"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12528">Statistically,
if the
experiment has
been done
correctly and
not
misinterpreted,
the odds and
therefore the
risk of
repeating the
experiment go up
if only for
research budget
purposes. In
order to
challenge a
falsification,
the history and
context of
assumptions, and
boundary
conditions need
to be clearly
understood for
the experiment,
the theory the
experiment is
testing, and the
equipment being
used.</div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12528"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12529">Can
we falsify
whether it's EM
or E&M? The
physicists seem
to say EM while
the engineer
says E&M.
The simple fact
is that under
certain
conditions E and
M are closely
coupled. There
are two views
that are
possible: EM and
E&M. EM is
one, united and
inseparable. The
other is that
E&M are to
be treated as
separable and
closely coupled
under certain
conditions
(photon) . Now,
both views rely
on the same
equations
whether they be
the Maxwell 20
(original),
Maxwell
Heaviside (4),
Dirac symmetric
version- or
Barrett
extensions -
SU(N). Each can
be expressed
mathematically
by in vector,
tensor,
differential or
quaternion
forms. </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12529"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12529">Given
that a
mainstream
approach
seriously limits
inquiry by a
fear of
exceeding the
speed of light,
the uncertainty
of measurement,
and the strong
doubt cast by
the shadow of
Popper
falsifiability,
one is left to
wonder if
physicists have
painted
themselves and
the rest of
science into a
corner. </div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12529"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12529">What
is puzzling to
me is that Dirac
equations
predicted
successfully
antimatter
(positron) but
to date, the
monopole has not
emerged in
experiments. Can
the monopole be
falsified? Can
the quark?</div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12529"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12529">Then
again, despite
various
theories, for
elementary
particles there
remains one key
question..."what
is the source of
charge". </div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12529"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12528">Essentially,
an experimenter
"...has got to
know their
limits." (Clint
Eastwood, Dirty
Harry). </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_13778"><br
class="yiv5012810035" id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_13780"
clear="none">
</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_13778">"Subtle
is the Lrd." A
Einstein<br
clear="none">
</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_13778"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_13778">YMMV</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_13778"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_13778">Best
regards</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_13778"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_13778">David</div>
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12496"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<br clear="none">
<blockquote
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12454"
style="border-left:2px
solid rgb(16,
16,
255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12453"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
Helvetica
Neue,
Helvetica,
Arial, Lucida
Grande,
sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12452"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
Helvetica
Neue,
Helvetica,
Arial, Lucida
Grande,
sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
<div
class="yiv5012810035yqt5142129093"
id="yiv5012810035yqt92455">
<div dir="ltr"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12451">
<hr
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12450"
size="1"> <font
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12455" size="2" face="Arial">
<b
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12538"><span
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12537"
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
Hodge John <a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
ymailto="mailto:jchodge@frontier.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:jchodge@frontier.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jchodge@frontier.com"><jchodge@frontier.com></a></a><br
clear="none">
<b
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12540"><span
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12539"
style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
shape="rect"
class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">"general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"</a></a>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
shape="rect"
class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a></a>
<br
clear="none">
<b><span
style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Sunday,
November 8,
2015 11:05 AM<br
clear="none">
<b
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12536"><span
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12535"
style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
[General]
Reply of
comments from
what a model…<br
clear="none">
</font> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035y_msg_container"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12532"><br clear="none">
<div
id="yiv5012810035">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12534">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447019841125_12533"
style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,
Helvetica
Neue,
Helvetica,
Arial, Lucida
Grande,
sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
<div
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2496">
</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2562">David</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2564">Thanks for the
thought.</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2566">You seem to be more
familiar with
Popper than I.
I thought
Popper dealt
with
“refutation”
in connection
with models
and ability to
be falsified
as being a
requirement
for a model to
be a
“scientific”.
If evolution
cannot be
falsified,
then wouldn’t
Popper
consider it
not a science?
But evolution
did predict
fossils of
evolving
species would
be found. </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2568">A single experiment is
enough to
reject a
(hypothesis)
theory within
some domain.
Both quantum
mechanics and
cosmology
reject each
other in the
domain of a
ToE. The
comment was
trying to
suggest that
the inability
of a model to
explain an
experiment
within the
domain that
the model is
supposed to
apply is cause
for rejection.
A “null”
result is a
“no test” done
result. For
example,
Galileo tried
to find
parallax in
stars to
support the
heliocentric
model. He had
a null result
that resulted
in some
trouble with
the Church.
More accurate
equipment in
the 1830s
finally saw
parallax and
heliocentricism
was accepted.
The same is
true in the
case of the
Michelson–Morley<b
class="yiv5012810035" id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2570">
</b>experiment.
</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2572"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2574">(see also John W
comment where
he agrees with
David) The
deviations
from
expectaion in
experiments
have lead to
finding
several
emergent
properties of
nature.
Indeed,
deviation for
expectation
causes the
postulate of
hidden
variables
rather than
suggesting
lack of a
proper model.
Further, the
finding of
data that is
poorly
explained is
an indication
of the need
for a new
model.
Sometime the
new data is so
radical, a
complete
rethink is
needed. Until
that is done,
ad hoc
additions are
made such as
Dark Energy,
Dark Mass,
inflation, etc
and models
become very
complex. So, I
suggest,
simplification
is needed but
simplification
usually
requires
redefinition
of what is
basic. </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2576"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2578">I’m unsure of your
interpretation
of the
Uncertainty
Principle as
an
experimental
error. I had
understood the
photoelectric
effect
measurement of
energy vs
frequency
(slope <i
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2580">h</i>) to have steps
in the linear
relationship.
The idea of
steps suggests
the quanta and
the
non-existence
of an
inbetween
state. The
measurement
was well
within the
experimental
error. That is
it’s not so
much a tool
limit as a
fundamental
existence
limit.</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2582"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2584"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2586">Richard</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2588">Thanks</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2590">In my opinion, our
instruments
detect matter
not the waves.
The waves in
the fluid is
the fluid of
the underlying
tension of the
molecules. </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2592"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2594">I think the matter
photon is
guided by the
pilot wave. If
you are you
using “wave
function” to
mean the
probability
energy
density,
probability
functions
don’t “guide”.
However, I
suggest (and I
think Bohm
does, too) the
the pilot wave
is real and
the \Psi ^*
\Psi is a
characteristic
of the pilot
wave and not a
probability
function. The
nest step is
to suggest
what the
\Psi^* is in
reality.
Photons need a
property of
coherence for
diffraction to
occur. The
nature of
coherence is
unknown. I
suggest the
Bohm
interpretation
is suggesting
photons do
require
guidance to
the screen if
an
interference
pattern is
noted. At
least in my
model pilot
waves exist
(are real) for
both electrons
and photons. </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2596"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2598"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2600">John W</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2602"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2604">The Bohm Interpretaion
was under
discussion a
bit ago. The
statement
about source
was directed
to the Bohm
model.
Certainly,
other models
have similar
problem with
the source of
their action
and
particularity
where is the
energy for the
interaction
coming from or
does the
interaction
involve no net
gain or loss.
</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2606"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2608">I like the idea of a
single entity
in an
experiment at
a time or, at
least, one
entity beyond
the mask.
However, I
allow the
possibility
that the
determination
of one entity
in the
experiment at
a time could
be the result
of averaging
of a pulse
with fewer
pulses. </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2610"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2612">I think you are using
“dimension” to
mean
mathematical
parameters. I
use
“dimension” to
mean real
special
extents (limit
3). I’m unsure
how to
classify time.
At any special
point there
could be
scalar or
vector or
tensor values
mathematically.
However, I
like the
scalar model
because the
forces can be
vectors
(tensor)
through
divergence.
The
electromagnetic
comments beg
the question
“What are the
basic
constituents
of the
universe?
Simpler but
yet complete
is better. I
suggest a
continuous and
matter like
Bohm. What are
your basic?
I’m left with
explaining
electromagnetism
with the
interaction of
the 2
components.<span
class="yiv5012810035" id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2614"
style=""> </span></div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2616"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2618">Although the walking
drop analogy
is limited, it
does produce
the
interference
pattern. So
the question
becomes what
characteristics
of the walking
drop
observations
produce
diffraction -
energy input
need not be
one of them.
If the walking
drop doesn’t
involve
electromagnetism,
I think a
model based on
electromagnetism
has
difficulty. </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2620"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2622">“Space” can have no
mass - the
boat and water
were analogies
in the
classical
realm.</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2624"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2626">The y and y* were
translated
incorrectly.
They were
meant to be
\Psi and
\Psi*.
However, You
hit on the
same
realization I
did - that the
\Psi* is just
the part of a
standing wave
in the
Transaction
Interpretation
of the wave
returning to
the source
(the particle)
rather than
the future
wave manifest
in the
present. This
could provide
the Bohm
requirement of
“reality” to
the \Psi. </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2628"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2630">Please provide a
reference for
your /
Martin’s paper
to which you
are referring.</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2632"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2634">Although I haven’t
read you
paper, perhaps
my experiment
in my last
paper is such
an example. It
is if it
relies upon
Huygens-Fresnel.</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2636"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2638">Thanks for your
comments. </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2640"> </div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2642">Hodge</div>
<div
class="yiv5012810035"
id="yiv5012810035yui_3_16_0_1_1447009445155_2644"> </div>
<div dir="ltr">
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br
clear="none">
_______________________________________________<br clear="none">
If you no
longer wish to
receive
communication
from the
Nature of
Light and
Particles
General
Discussion
List at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
shape="rect"
class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a></a><br
clear="none">
<a href="<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-freetext"
target="_blank"
href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a></a>"><br
clear="none">
Click here to
unsubscribe<br
clear="none">
</a><br
clear="none">
<br
clear="none">
<br
clear="none">
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br clear="none">
<div class="yiv5012810035yqt0776120805"
id="yiv5012810035yqt63951"
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial,
'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;font-size:16px;">_______________________________________________<br
clear="none">
If you no longer wish to receive
communication from the Nature of Light
and Particles General Discussion List
at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a><br
clear="none">
<a href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
target="_blank"
href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a>"><br
clear="none">
Click here to unsubscribe<br
clear="none">
</a><br clear="none">
</div>
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br clear="none">
<fieldset
class="yiv5012810035mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br clear="none">
<pre>_______________________________________________
If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:phys@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:phys@a-giese.de">phys@a-giese.de</a>
<a href=<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv5012810035moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/phys%40a-giese.de?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1">"http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/phys%40a-giese.de?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1"</a>>
Click here to unsubscribe
</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<hr
style="border:none;color:#909090;background-color:#B0B0B0;height:1px;width:99%;">
<table style="border-collapse:collapse;border:none;">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td colspan="1" rowspan="1"
style="border:none;padding:0px 15px 0px
8px;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
target="_blank"
href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus"> <img
moz-do-not-send="true"
src="http://static.avast.com/emails/avast-mail-stamp.png"
alt="Avast logo"
data-id="ae180c1c-d63c-5431-63ec-f2c2cd1ee886"
border="0"> </a> </td>
<td colspan="1" rowspan="1">
<div style="color:#3d4d5a;"> Diese E-Mail
wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf
Viren geprüft. <br clear="none">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus">www.avast.com</a></div>
<div class="yiv5012810035yqt6712849544"
id="yiv5012810035yqtfd20514"> </div>
<div class="yiv5012810035yqt6712849544"
id="yiv5012810035yqtfd54265"> </div>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<div class="yiv5012810035yqt6712849544"
id="yiv5012810035yqtfd44649">
<br clear="none">
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="yqt6712849544" id="yqtfd93722">_______________________________________________<br
clear="none">
If you no longer wish to receive communication from
the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion
List at <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"
href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a><br
clear="none">
<a href="<a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1"
target="_blank">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a>"><br
clear="none">
Click here to unsubscribe<br clear="none">
</a><br clear="none">
</div>
<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br /><br />
<hr style='border:none; color:#909090; background-color:#B0B0B0; height: 1px; width: 99%;' />
<table style='border-collapse:collapse;border:none;'>
<tr>
<td style='border:none;padding:0px 15px 0px 8px'>
<a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus">
<img border=0 src="http://static.avast.com/emails/avast-mail-stamp.png" alt="Avast logo" />
</a>
</td>
<td>
<p style='color:#3d4d5a; font-family:"Calibri","Verdana","Arial","Helvetica"; font-size:12pt;'>
Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft.
<br><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus">www.avast.com</a>
</p>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
<br />
</body>
</html>