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<font size="-1">Hi Al,<br>
<br>
I have gotten a different understanding of what a virtual particle
or a virtual charge is. This phenomenon was invented by Julian
Schwinger and Richard Feynman. They thought to need it in order to
explain certain reactions in particle physics. In the case of
Schwinger it was the Landé factor, where I have shown that this
assumption is not necessary.<br>
<br>
If there is a charge then of course this charge is subject to
interactions with all other charges in the universe. That is
correct. But because of the normal distribution of these other
charges in the universe, which cause a good compensation of the
effects, and because of the distance law we can think about models
without reference to those. And also there is the problem with
virtual particles and vacuum polarization (which is equivalent),
in that we have this huge problem that the integrated energy of it
over the universe is by a factor of 10^120 higher than the energy
measured. I think this is a really big argument against virtual
effects. <br>
<br>
Your example of the virtual image of a charge in a conducting
surface is a different case. It is, as you write, the
rearrangement of charges in the conducting surface. So the partner
of the charge is physically the mirror, not the picture behind it.
But which mirror can cause the second particle in a model if the
second particle is not assumed to be real?<br>
<br>
And what in general is the problem with a two particle model? It
fulfils the momentum law. And it does not cause further conflicts.
It also explains why an accelerated electron sometimes radiates,
sometimes not. For an experimental evidence I refer again to the
article of Frank Wilczek in "Nature" which was mentioned here
earlier:<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com">http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com</a>:
<br>
<br>
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<font size="-1">For Wilczek this is a mysterious result, in view of
my model it is not, on the contrary it is kind of a proof. <br>
<br>
Grüße<br>
Albrecht<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="-1">Am 12.11.2015 um 03:06
schrieb <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>:</font><br>
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cite="mid:trinity-af9720c9-20d0-419e-b9ab-3d9b301ebd28-1447294017031@3capp-webde-bap02"
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<div>Hi Albrecht:</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Virtual particles are proxys for an ensemble of real
particles. There is nothing folly-lolly about them! They
simply summarize the total effect of particles that cannot
be ignored. To ignore the remainder of the universe becasue
it is inconvenient for theory formulation is for certain
leading to error. "No man is an island," and no single
particle is a universe! Thus, it can be argued that, to
reject the concept of virtual particles is to reject a facit
of reality that must be essential for an explantion of the
material world.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>For example, if a positive charge is placed near a
conducting surface, the charges in that surface will respond
to the positive charge by rearranging themselves so as to
give a total field on the surface of zero strength as if
there were a negative charge (virtual) behind the mirror.
Without the real charges on the mirror surface, the concept
of "virtual" negative charge would not be necessary or even
useful. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>The concept of virtual charge as the second particle in
your model seems to me to be not just a wild supposition,
but an absolute necessity. Every charge is, without choice,
in constant interaction with every other charge in the
universe, has been so since the big bang (if such were) and
will remain so till the big crunch (if such is to be)! The
universe cannot be ignored. If you reject including the
universe by means of virtual charges, them you have a lot
more work to do to make your theory reasonable some how
else. In particular in view of the fact that the second
particles in your model have never ever been seen or even
suspected in the various experiments resulting in the
disasssmbly of whatever targert was used. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>MfG, Al</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch,
11. November 2015 um 22:37 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Dr. Albrecht Giese" <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br>
<b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General] Reply of comments from
what a model…</div>
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<div style="background-color: rgb(255,255,255);">Hi Al,<br>
<br>
if we think in categories of a virtual image, then we
are in my understanding fully on the path of present
main stream QM. I have understood that we all want to
do something better than that.<br>
<br>
Regarding virtual phenomena I would like to remind you
again of the history of such ideas. In the 1940ies
Julian Schwinger has introduced vacuum polarization
(which is equivalent to virtual particles according to
Feynman) to determine the Landé factor for refining
the Bohr magneton. This was the birth of it.<br>
<br>
On the other hand I have shown that I can deduce the
Bohr magneton as well as the Landé factor in a
classical way if I use my particle model. And that is
possible and was done on a pure classical way. For me
this is a good example that we can do things better
than by QM. In particular I try to have correct
results without using any virtual objects.<br>
<br>
Back to your question: If we build a particle model on
a classical basis then there is no place for a virtual
image, and so I see the need for two sub-particles.<br>
<br>
Ciao, Albrecht<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.11.2015 um 17:27
schrieb <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="af.kracklauer@web.de" target="_parent">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch,
11. November 2015 um 11:54 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Dr. Albrecht Giese" <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br>
<b>An:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
target="_parent">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General] Reply of
comments from what a model…</div>
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rgb(255,255,255);">
<div>Hi Albrecht:</div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#006600">You said: A
model with only one particle is in
my view also not possible as it
violates the conservation of
momentum. A single object can never
oscillate.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#006600">I ask: </font><span
style="color:
rgb(0,102,0);font-family:
Verdana;font-size:
12.0px;line-height: 19.2px;"> Why
can't a single particle oscillate
against, or in consort with, its own
virtual image. (Presuming there is
charge complex around---mirror in
2d, negative sphere (I think) in
3d)? </span></div>
<div> </div>
<div><span style="color:
rgb(0,102,0);font-family:
Verdana;font-size:
12.0px;line-height: 19.2px;">ciao,
Al</span></div>
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