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Hello Richard,<br>
<br>
those uncertainties which are typical for the Copenhagen version of
QM occur as single events for a short time. (In my personal
understanding they are uncertainties of measurement and not
uncertainties of reality.) So, if the conservation of momentum would
be permanently violated in a particle with a specific tendency, this
seems not covered by any assumption of QM.<br>
<br>
And, if you assume a violation of spatial symmetry in the electron,
which position in space would permanently deviate from the rest of
space if looking into the electron? The electron would then have to
permanently alter space at a specific place inside. Do you have an
idea about a mechanism which can cause that?<br>
<br>
To have evidence for my particle model in a high energy experiment
is a problem because the sub-particles are mass-less. So the
particle cannot be decomposed by elastic scattering, that is a
problem, true. But as I have mentioned in my last comment to Al
Kracklauer, Frank Wilczek has mentioned an experiment where in a
situation of superconductivity and high pressure half-electrons were
observed. Again the article:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Another topic which we have discussed
earlier: In San Diego you asked me for this apparent problem that
at motion the internal frequency of a particle has to be dilated
on the one hand, but on the other hand must be increased to
reflect the increased energy. How is this treated in my model? I
am sorry that I have given you an incorrect answer (Doppler). In
this context I misunderstood relativistic dilation. There is in
fact no such conflict. - I am going to explain this in a separate
paper as it needs some more words and mathematics.<br>
<br>
Albrecht<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 12.11.2015 um 16:04 schrieb Richard Gauthier:<br>
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<div class="">Hello Albrecht,</div>
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<div class=""> There is a very well-known paper by Bohr, Kramers
and Slater (the BKS paper) in 1924 that challenged conservation
of energy and momentum in individual electron-photon reactions
except on a statistical level. That hypothesis was disproved
experimentally by more detailed Compton-type experiments. Bohr
admitted that experiments had proved their hypothesis wrong.
Obviously I am not proposing going against accepted experimental
evidence. But no one has done such experiments at the
sub-particle level for an electron that am aware of, since
electrons are not even supposed in standard model physics to
have a sub-particle structure (except for a cloud of e-p pairs
surround a bare charge). But high energy experiments DO show no
evidence for a 2-particle structure of the electron as in your
model.</div>
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<div class="">In the double-loop photon model the value of delta x
delta p (i.e. Xrms x Prms) for the circulating photon moving in
a radius hbar/2mc with circulating momentum mc falls (as I
recall) below the Heisenberg uncertainty principle cutoff value
of hbar/2 . Perhaps this means that such a possible “violation”
of conservation of momentum by a single quantum particle at this
level is permitted since such a violation cannot (at least
theoretically according to Heisenberg) be detected. And yes,
perhaps this spatial symmetry rule doesn’t apply at this level. </div>
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<div class="">Richard</div>
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<div class="">On Nov 12, 2015, at 6:20 AM, Dr. Albrecht Giese
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Richard,<br class="">
<br class="">
of course you are right, physicists have to be prepared to
question anything which is currently believed in physics.
However:<br class="">
<br class="">
Before we give up a physical law which is very
fundamental, we should be aware of the price we have to
pay. If we give up the conservation of momentum, then we
give up the symmetry of space (and also Newton's 3rd law)
which are the causes of this conservation. And if we give
up those fundamentals, then more than 99% of what our
present view of the physical world is, will be void. Is
this a price you are willing to pay?<br class="">
<br class="">
So again, you are clearly right from the fundamental view,
but I think that the requirement for a single-particle
model is not strong enough to give up something like
spacial symmetry. - Acceptable?<br class="">
<br class="">
Albrecht<br class="">
<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.11.2015 um 23:09
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Hello Albrecht,
<div class=""> If conservation of momentum was "never
ever" questioned in physics, then physicists haven’t
been doing their job, which (among other things) is to
continually question everything about physical laws.
Physical laws (including quantum mechanics) are just a
summary of what is physically believed to be the case
in the physical world, based on current and past
evidence. No physical law is a sacred cow and
unquestionable, because it could be disproved or
modified tomorrow, or later today, by new evidence to
the contrary. </div>
<div class=""> Richard</div>
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<div class="">On Nov 11, 2015, at 1:39 PM, Dr.
Albrecht Giese <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Hello Richard,<br class="">
<br class="">
I think that the conservation of momentum is
one of the most fundamental laws in physics.
It is even more fundamental than the
conservation of energy. If now an object is
made to move on a circuit there must be a
force or something else which causes the
acceleration. A second object solves this
problem. - So there is in my understanding no
need for an experiment as the conservation of
momentum was never ever questioned in physics
(to my knowledge).<br class="">
<br class="">
You mention a <i class="">double </i>loop.
Does this mean any difference?<br class="">
<br class="">
Albrecht<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.11.2015 um
17:44 schrieb Richard Gauthier:<br class="">
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Hello Albrecht,
<div class=""> Also, who has ever
experimentally tested the conservation of
momentum law for a single photon
circulating in a double-loop at light
speed in a circle of radius hbar/2mc? I
think nobody.</div>
<div class=""> Richard</div>
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8:27 AM, <a
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11. November 2015 um
11:54 Uhr<br class="">
<b class="">Von:</b> "Dr.
Albrecht Giese" <<a
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<b class="">An:</b> <a
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<b class="">Betreff:</b> Re:
[General] Reply of
comments from what a
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<div class="">Hi
Albrecht:</div>
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<div class=""><font
class=""
color="#006600">You
said: A model
with only one
particle is in
my view also not
possible as it
violates the
conservation of
momentum. A
single object
can never
oscillate.</font></div>
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<div class=""><font
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color="#006600">I
ask: </font><span
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class=""> Why
can't a single
particle
oscillate
against, or in
consort with,
its own virtual
image.
(Presuming there
is charge
complex
around---mirror
in 2d, negative
sphere (I think)
in 3d)? </span></div>
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Al</span></div>
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