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    Hello Richard,<br>
    <br>
    those uncertainties which are typical for the Copenhagen version of
    QM occur as single events for a short time. (In my personal
    understanding they are uncertainties of measurement and not
    uncertainties of reality.) So, if the conservation of momentum would
    be permanently violated in a particle with a specific tendency, this
    seems not covered by any assumption of QM.<br>
    <br>
    And, if you assume a violation of spatial symmetry in the electron,
    which position in space would permanently deviate from the rest of
    space if looking into the electron? The electron would then have to
    permanently alter space at a specific place inside. Do you have an
    idea about a mechanism which can cause that?<br>
    <br>
    To have evidence for my particle model in a high energy experiment
    is a problem because the sub-particles are mass-less. So the
    particle cannot be decomposed by elastic scattering, that is a
    problem, true. But as I have mentioned in my last comment to Al
    Kracklauer, Frank Wilczek has mentioned an experiment where in a
    situation of superconductivity and high pressure half-electrons were
    observed. Again the article:<br>
    <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Another topic which we have discussed
      earlier: In San Diego you asked me for this apparent problem that
      at motion the internal frequency of a particle has to be dilated
      on the one hand, but on the other hand must be increased to
      reflect the increased energy. How is this treated in my model? I
      am sorry that I have given you an incorrect answer (Doppler). In
      this context I misunderstood relativistic dilation. There is in
      fact no such conflict. - I am going to explain this in a separate
      paper as it needs some more words and mathematics.<br>
      <br>
      Albrecht<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Am 12.11.2015 um 16:04 schrieb Richard Gauthier:<br>
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      <div class="">Hello Albrecht,</div>
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      <div class="">   There is a very well-known paper by Bohr, Kramers
        and Slater (the BKS paper) in 1924 that challenged conservation
        of energy and momentum in individual electron-photon reactions
        except on a statistical level. That hypothesis was disproved
        experimentally by more detailed Compton-type experiments. Bohr
        admitted that experiments had proved their hypothesis wrong.
        Obviously I am not proposing going against accepted experimental
        evidence. But no one has done such experiments at the
        sub-particle level for an electron that  am aware of, since
        electrons are not even supposed in standard model physics to
        have a sub-particle structure (except for a cloud of e-p pairs
        surround a bare charge). But high energy experiments DO show no
        evidence for a 2-particle structure of the electron as in your
        model.</div>
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      </div>
      <div class="">In the double-loop photon model the value of delta x
        delta p (i.e. Xrms x Prms) for the circulating photon moving in
        a radius hbar/2mc with circulating momentum mc falls (as I
        recall) below the Heisenberg uncertainty principle cutoff value
        of hbar/2 . Perhaps this means that such a possible “violation”
        of conservation of momentum by a single quantum particle at this
        level is permitted since such a violation cannot (at least
        theoretically according to Heisenberg) be detected. And yes,
        perhaps this spatial symmetry rule doesn’t apply at this level. </div>
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      </div>
      <div class="">Richard</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <br class="">
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          <div class="">On Nov 12, 2015, at 6:20 AM, Dr. Albrecht Giese
            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            wrote:</div>
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            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""> Hello
              Richard,<br class="">
              <br class="">
              of course you are right, physicists have to be prepared to
              question anything which is currently believed in physics.
              However:<br class="">
              <br class="">
              Before we give up a physical law which is very
              fundamental, we should be aware of the price we have to
              pay. If we give up the conservation of momentum, then we
              give up the symmetry of space (and also Newton's 3rd law)
              which are the causes of this conservation. And if we give
              up those fundamentals, then more than 99% of what our
              present view of the physical world is, will be void. Is
              this a price you are willing to pay?<br class="">
              <br class="">
              So again, you are clearly right from the fundamental view,
              but I think that the requirement for a single-particle
              model is not strong enough to give up something like
              spacial symmetry.  - Acceptable?<br class="">
              <br class="">
              Albrecht<br class="">
              <br class="">
              <br class="">
              <br class="">
              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.11.2015 um 23:09
                schrieb Richard Gauthier:<br class="">
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                Hello Albrecht,
                <div class="">    If conservation of momentum was "never
                  ever" questioned in physics, then physicists haven’t
                  been doing their job, which (among other things) is to
                  continually question everything about physical laws.
                  Physical laws (including quantum mechanics) are just a
                  summary of what is physically believed to be the case
                  in the physical world, based on current and past
                  evidence. No physical law is a sacred cow and
                  unquestionable, because it could be disproved or
                  modified tomorrow, or later today, by new evidence to
                  the contrary. </div>
                <div class="">       Richard</div>
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                  <div class="">
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                      <div class="">On Nov 11, 2015, at 1:39 PM, Dr.
                        Albrecht Giese <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" class="">genmail@a-giese.de</a>>

                        wrote:</div>
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                          Hello Richard,<br class="">
                          <br class="">
                          I think that the conservation of momentum is
                          one of the most fundamental laws in physics.
                          It is even more fundamental than the
                          conservation of energy. If now an object is
                          made to move on a circuit there must be a
                          force or something else which causes the
                          acceleration. A second object solves this
                          problem. - So there is in my understanding no
                          need for an experiment as the conservation of
                          momentum was never ever questioned in physics
                          (to my knowledge).<br class="">
                          <br class="">
                          You mention a <i class="">double </i>loop.
                          Does this mean any difference?<br class="">
                          <br class="">
                          Albrecht<br class="">
                          <br class="">
                          <br class="">
                          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.11.2015 um
                            17:44 schrieb Richard Gauthier:<br class="">
                          </div>
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                            cite="mid:E70ED7A3-B5C7-4CCE-8BA5-D9A665B67FDD@gmail.com"
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                            Hello Albrecht,
                            <div class="">   Also, who has ever
                              experimentally tested the conservation of
                              momentum law for a single photon
                              circulating in a double-loop at light
                              speed in a circle of radius hbar/2mc? I
                              think nobody.</div>
                            <div class="">       Richard</div>
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                                                    class="">Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch,

                                                  11. November 2015 um
                                                  11:54 Uhr<br class="">
                                                  <b class="">Von:</b> "Dr.

                                                  Albrecht Giese" <<a
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                                                  <b class="">Betreff:</b> Re:

                                                  [General] Reply of
                                                  comments from what a
                                                  model…</div>
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                                                    <div class="">Hi
                                                       Albrecht:</div>
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                                                    <div class=""><font
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                                                        color="#006600">You
                                                        said:  A model
                                                        with only one
                                                        particle is in
                                                        my view also not
                                                        possible as it
                                                        violates the
                                                        conservation of
                                                        momentum. A
                                                        single object
                                                        can never
                                                        oscillate.</font></div>
                                                    <div class=""> </div>
                                                    <div class=""><font
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                                                        ask: </font><span
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                                                        class="">  Why
                                                        can't a single
                                                        particle
                                                        oscillate
                                                        against, or in
                                                        consort with,
                                                        its own virtual
                                                        image.
                                                        (Presuming there
                                                        is charge
                                                        complex
                                                        around---mirror
                                                        in 2d, negative
                                                        sphere (I think)
                                                        in 3d)? </span></div>
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                          src="http://static.avast.com/emails/avast-mail-stamp.png"
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                        font-size:12pt;" class=""> Diese E-Mail wurde
                        von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft.
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                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus"
                          class="">www.avast.com</a> </p>
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                                Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft.
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