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    Hello Richard,<br>
    <br>
    the following sounds interesting. But of course I have comments.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 13.11.2015 um 14:54 schrieb Richard
      Gauthier:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:F8DBBF2F-032C-44B5-A014-EE3D2CBEC172@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="">Hello Albrecht,</div>
      <div class="">   Of your 5 listed points that you said form the
        basis of your 2-circling-massless-particles electron model, 4
        can be covered by a model (I am not proposing this as a viable
        model but there are a few doubts about your model also) of two
        circling charged photons, each with energy E = 1/2 mc^2  where m
        is the electron’s rest mass, and each has electric charge -1/2 e
        . They could get their charge by circling each other.</div>
    </blockquote>
    Questions: 1.) How do you explain the energy of the photon? Where
    does the equation come from?   2.) How can a charge be generated by
    motion? How is motion defined in this case, motion with respect to
    what?<br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:F8DBBF2F-032C-44B5-A014-EE3D2CBEC172@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="">1) There is permanent motion with c since both
        photons move at c.</div>
    </blockquote>
    ok.<br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:F8DBBF2F-032C-44B5-A014-EE3D2CBEC172@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="">2) There are 2 sub-particles (though experiment so
        far rules this out as with your model) since the sub-particles
        are two circling photons.</div>
    </blockquote>
    2 sub-particles are NOT ruled out. All those experiments have
    assumed that constituents of an electron, if any, have an individual
    mass. That is in fact falsified. But with mass-less constituents no
    problem. Was confirmed by the research director of DESY.<br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:F8DBBF2F-032C-44B5-A014-EE3D2CBEC172@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="">3) Each photon is massless since a single photon
        having energy E = 1/2 mc^2 = hf  normally has no rest mass (as
        commonly understood).</div>
    </blockquote>
    This is commonly understood, true, but never deduced. (My model BTW
    deduces it.)<br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:F8DBBF2F-032C-44B5-A014-EE3D2CBEC172@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="">4) The 2-photon system has rest mass m even though
        the sub particles are massless. This is because the two photons
        together, each of energy E = 1/2 mc^2 and moving in opposite
        directions, have zero total momentum, (i.e. p total = 0) so by
        the relativistic energy-momentum equation E^2 = p^2  c^2 + m^2
        c^4  this means m = Etotal/c^2  so the system of 2 photons has a
        total rest mass and inertia m .</div>
    </blockquote>
    If the photon has energy it also has mass. That is in fact the
    general understanding. But why follows mass from energy? I know that
    Einstein has stated it and I have no doubts that it is correct in
    the general case. But it was never deduced up to now. Physical
    understanding means that everything can be deduced except some very
    fundamental facts. I do not see this as a very fundamental fact, as
    can be deduced. I have shown how this can be done. <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:F8DBBF2F-032C-44B5-A014-EE3D2CBEC172@gmail.com"
      type="cite"><br>
      <div class="">5) There is no clear binding force for the two
        circling charged photons. You invoke the strong nuclear force
        for binding your two particles into an electron, but there is no
        experimental evidence that the strong force acts on electrons. </div>
    </blockquote>
    There IS experimental evidence, which was discussed here earlier. In
    the 1990ies it was found at DESY that the electron reacts to the
    strong force. - I go a step further and assume that the strong force
    is the universal one, also acting on photons.<br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:F8DBBF2F-032C-44B5-A014-EE3D2CBEC172@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="">But you could also invoke the strong nuclear force
        to hold these two circling charged photons together. Perhaps
        they are not circling charged photons but circling charged
        gluons (which are also light-speed particles) and so your point
        5 will also be covered in this model!. So I think that this
        two-looping-charged-photons-or-charged-gluons model of the
        electron is just as good a model as your electron model, or even
        better since photons and gluons are known particles while your
        two circling particles are purely hypothetical. You’re welcome.</div>
    </blockquote>
    I also think that gluons and my basic particle are the same. But we
    may shock the community by saying that gluons are in the electron. -
    How can the photons circle in opposite directions without causing
    problems (collisions etc)?<br>
    <br>
    Yes, we are getting closer. <br>
    <br>
    Albrecht<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:F8DBBF2F-032C-44B5-A014-EE3D2CBEC172@gmail.com"
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      <div class="">      Richard</div>
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          <div class="">On Nov 13, 2015, at 3:35 AM, John Williamson
            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk" class="">John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk</a>>
            wrote:</div>
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              font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;" class="">Dear
              Albrecht,<br class="">
              <br class="">
              You asked, so I will answer. I think you are managing to
              fool yourself. You have had to, to keep your initial
              postulate, invent several rules not found in other
              physics. Comments below.<br class="">
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                    class="" size="2" face="Tahoma"><b class="">From:</b><span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a
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                    on behalf of Dr. Albrecht Giese [<a
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                      class="">
                    <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
                    November 13, 2015 11:11 AM<br class="">
                    <b class="">To:</b><span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                    <b class="">Cc:</b><span
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                      class="">
                    <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                    [General] Reply of comments from what a model…<br
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                  </font><br class="">
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                <div class="">Hi Al,<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  if we look to charges you mention the law 1/r<sup
                    class="">2</sup>. Now we can perform a simple
                  physical experiment having an electrically charged
                  object and using it to measure the electric field
                  around us. I say: it is very weak. Now look to the
                  distance of the two half-charges within the particle
                  having a distance of 4*10<sup class="">-13</sup><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>m. This means
                  an increase of force of about 25 orders of magnitude
                  compared to what we do in a lab. And the difference is
                  much greater if we refer to charges acting from the
                  universe. So I think we do not make a big mistake
                  assuming that there is nothing outside the particle.<br
                    class="">
                  <br class="">
                  Regarding my model, the logic of deduction was very
                  simple for me:<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  1.) We have dilation, so there must be a permanent
                  motion with c<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  <font class="" color="0000FF">ok</font><br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  2.) There must be 2 sub-particles otherwise the
                  momentum law is violated; 3 are not possible as in
                  conflict with experiments.<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  <font class="" color="0000FF">Not so .. there must be
                    at least two elements for a wave, indeed, but it
                    does not need to be two "particles". In ordinary
                    textbook EM for example,there are six field
                    components. Six is enough!<br class="">
                    <br class="">
                    Also 2 particles are just as much in conflict with
                    experiment as are 3! As I have said before.</font><br
                    class="">
                  <br class="">
                  3.) The sub-particles must be mass-less, otherwise c
                  is not possible<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  <font class="" color="0000FF">Mass-less means they
                    must be made of something other than "particles".
                    No? What then?<br class="">
                  </font><br class="">
                  4.) The whole particle has mass even though the
                  sub-particles are mass-less. So there must be a
                  mechanism to cause inertia. It was immediately clear
                  for me that inertia is a consequence of extension.
                  Another reason to assume a particle which is composed
                  of parts. (There is no other working mechanism of
                  inertia known until today.)<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  <font class="" color="0000FF">This is absolutely
                    right. So you can either invent a mechanism to give
                    inertia (outside of physics) - or reject the initial
                    hypothesis that there are two particles.</font><br
                    class="">
                  <br class="">
                  5.) I had to find the binding field for the
                  sub-particles. I have taken the simplest one which I
                  could find which has a potential minimum at some
                  distance. And my first attempt worked.<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  <font class="" color="0000FF">You need a force,
                    indeed, to confine your postulate of two particles.
                    So you can either invent a<span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font
                      class="" color="0000FF">new<span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font
                        class="" color="0000FF">force</font></font><span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(outside of
                    physics) - or reject the initial hypothesis that
                    there are two particles.</font><br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  That is all, and I do not see any possibility to
                  change one of the points 1.) thru 5.) without getting
                  in conflict with fundamental physical rules. And I do
                  not invent new facts or rules beyond those already
                  known in physics.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                    class="">
                  <br class="">
                  So, where do you see any kind of arbitrariness or
                  missing justification?<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  <font class="" color="0000FF">The point you go into
                    the mist is the initial step of demanding the only
                    way to conserve momentum is to have two objects
                    (true) and that the only kind of object allowed is a
                    particle (not true in my view). I think even if it
                    were true one is still just left with the problem of
                    explaining just what the (<font class=""
                      color="0000FF">now two) particles a<font class=""
                        color="0000FF">re.</font></font><span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                  </font><br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  Tschüß!<br class="">
                  Albrecht<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  <font class="" color="0000FF">Regards, John.</font><br
                    class="">
                  <br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 12.11.2015 um 17:51
                    schrieb<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                      href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:<br
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                        <div class="">Hi Albrect:</div>
                        <div class=""> </div>
                        <div class="">We are making some progress.  </div>
                        <div class=""> </div>
                        <div class="">To your remark that Swinger &
                          Feynman introduced virtual charges, I note
                          that they used the same term: "virtual
                          charge/particle," in spite of the much older
                          meaning in accord with the charge and mirror
                          example.  In the finest of quantum traditions,
                          they too ignored the rest of the universe and
                          instead tried to vest its effect in the
                          "vacuum."  This idea was suitably mystical to
                          allow them to introduce the associated plaver
                          into the folk lore of QM, given the sociology
                          of the day.  Even in spite of this BS, the
                          idea still has merit. Your objection on the
                          basis of the 1/r² fall-off is true but not
                          conclusive.  This fall-off is matched by a r²
                          increase in muber of charges, so the
                          integrated total interaction can be expected
                          to have at least some effect, no matter what.
                           Think of the universe to 1st order as a
                          neutral, low-density plasma. <span class="">I
                            (and some others) hold that this interaction
                            is responcible for all quantum effects.  In
                            any case, no particle is a universe unto
                            itself, the rest have the poulation and time
                            to take a toll!  </span></div>
                        <div class=""> </div>
                        <div class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana,
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                            class="">BTW, this is history repeating
                            itself.  Once upon a time there was theory
                            of Brownian motion that posited an internal
                            cause known as "elan vital" to dust specks
                            observed hopping about like Mexican jumping
                            beans.  Ultimately this nonsense was
                            displaced by the observation that the dust
                            spots were not alone in their immediate
                            universe but imbededded in a slurry of other
                            particles, also in motion, to which they
                            were reacting.  Nowadays atoms are analysed
                            in QM text books as if they were the only
                            object in the universe---all others being
                            too far away (so it is argued, anyway).  </span></div>
                        <div class=""> </div>
                        <div class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana,
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                            class="">Your model, as it stands, can be
                            free of contradiction and still
                            unstatisfying because the inputs seem to be
                            just what is needed to make the conclusions
                            you aim to make.  Fine, but what most
                            critics will expect is that these inputs
                            have to have some kind of justification or
                            motivation.  This is what the second
                            particle lacks.  Where is it when one really
                            looks for it?  It has no empirical
                            motivation.   Thus, this theory then has
                            about the same ultimate structure, and
                            pursuasiveness, as saying: 'don't worry
                            about it, God did it; go home, open a beer,
                            pop your feet up, and forget about it---a
                            theory which explains absolutely everything!</span></div>
                        <div class=""> </div>
                        <div class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana,
                            sans-serif, Arial, 'Trebuchet MS';
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                            class="">Tschuß,  Al</span></div>
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                                class="">Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 12.
                              November 2015 um 16:18 Uhr<br class="">
                              <b class="">Von:</b> "Dr. Albrecht Giese"<span
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                              <b class="">Betreff:</b> Re: [General]
                              Reply of comments from what a model…</div>
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                                  size="-1">Hi Al,<br class="">
                                  <br class="">
                                  I have gotten a different
                                  understanding of what a virtual
                                  particle or a virtual charge is. This
                                  phenomenon was invented by Julian
                                  Schwinger and Richard Feynman. They
                                  thought to need it in order to explain
                                  certain reactions in particle physics.
                                  In the case of Schwinger it was the
                                  Landé factor, where I have shown that
                                  this assumption is not necessary.<br
                                    class="">
                                  <br class="">
                                  If there is a charge then of course
                                  this charge is subject to interactions
                                  with all other charges in the
                                  universe. That is correct. But because
                                  of the normal distribution of these
                                  other charges in the universe, which
                                  cause a good compensation of the
                                  effects, and because of the distance
                                  law we can think about models without
                                  reference to those. And also there is
                                  the problem with virtual particles and
                                  vacuum polarization (which is
                                  equivalent), in that we have this huge
                                  problem that the integrated energy of
                                  it over the universe is by a factor of
                                  10^120 higher than the energy
                                  measured. I think this is a really big
                                  argument against virtual effects.<br
                                    class="">
                                  <br class="">
                                  Your example of the virtual image of a
                                  charge in a conducting surface is a
                                  different case. It is, as you write,
                                  the rearrangement of charges in the
                                  conducting surface. So the partner of
                                  the charge is physically the mirror,
                                  not the picture behind it. But which
                                  mirror can cause the second particle
                                  in a model if the second particle is
                                  not assumed to be real?<br class="">
                                  <br class="">
                                  And what in general is the problem
                                  with a two particle model? It fulfils
                                  the momentum law. And it does not
                                  cause further conflicts. It also
                                  explains why an accelerated electron
                                  sometimes radiates, sometimes not. For
                                  an experimental evidence I refer again
                                  to the article of Frank Wilczek in
                                  "Nature" which was mentioned here
                                  earlier:<br class="">
                                  <br class="">
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                                <font class="" size="-1">For Wilczek
                                  this is a mysterious result, in view
                                  of my model it is not, on the contrary
                                  it is kind of a proof.<br class="">
                                  <br class="">
                                  Grüße<br class="">
                                  Albrecht</font><br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                 
                                <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font
                                    class="" size="-1">Am 12.11.2015 um
                                    03:06 schrieb<span
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                                      target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:</font></div>
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                                      <div class="">Hi Albrecht:</div>
                                      <div class=""> </div>
                                      <div class="">Virtual particles
                                        are proxys for an ensemble of
                                        real particles.  There is
                                        nothing folly-lolly about them!
                                         They simply summarize the total
                                        effect of particles that cannot
                                        be ignored.  To ignore the
                                        remainder of the universe
                                        becasue it is inconvenient for
                                        theory formulation is for
                                        certain leading to error.  "No
                                        man is an island,"  and no
                                        single particle is a universe!
                                         Thus, it can be argued that, to
                                        reject the concept of virtual
                                        particles is to reject a facit
                                        of reality that must be
                                        essential for an explantion of
                                        the material world.</div>
                                      <div class=""> </div>
                                      <div class="">For example, if a
                                        positive charge is placed near a
                                        conducting surface, the charges
                                        in that surface will respond to
                                        the positive charge by
                                        rearranging themselves so as to
                                        give a total field on the
                                        surface of zero strength as if
                                        there were a negative charge
                                        (virtual) behind the mirror.
                                         Without the real charges on the
                                        mirror surface, the concept of
                                        "virtual" negative charge would
                                        not be necessary or even useful.
                                         </div>
                                      <div class=""> </div>
                                      <div class="">The concept of
                                        virtual charge as the second
                                        particle in your model seems to
                                        me to be not just a wild
                                        supposition, but an absolute
                                        necessity.  Every charge is,
                                        without choice, in constant
                                        interaction with every other
                                        charge in the universe, has been
                                        so since the big bang (if such
                                        were) and will remain so till
                                        the big crunch (if such is to
                                        be)!  The universe cannot be
                                        ignored. If you reject including
                                        the universe by means of virtual
                                        charges, them you have a lot
                                        more work to do to make your
                                        theory reasonable some how else.
                                         In particular in view of the
                                        fact that the second particles
                                        in your model have never ever
                                        been seen or even suspected in
                                        the various experiments
                                        resulting in the disasssmbly of
                                        whatever targert was used.  </div>
                                      <div class=""> </div>
                                      <div class="">MfG,  Al</div>
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                                          <div style="margin: 0px 0px
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                                            11. November 2015 um 22:37
                                            Uhr<br class="">
                                            <b class="">Von:</b> "Dr.
                                            Albrecht Giese"<span
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                                              class="">
                                            <b class="">Betreff:</b> Re:
                                            [General] Reply of comments
                                            from what a model…</div>
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                                              class="">Hi Al,<br
                                                class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                              if we think in categories
                                              of a virtual image, then
                                              we are in my understanding
                                              fully on the path of
                                              present main stream QM. I
                                              have understood that we
                                              all want to do something
                                              better than that.<br
                                                class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                              Regarding virtual
                                              phenomena I would like to
                                              remind you again of the
                                              history of such ideas. In
                                              the 1940ies Julian
                                              Schwinger has introduced
                                              vacuum polarization (which
                                              is equivalent to virtual
                                              particles according to
                                              Feynman) to determine the
                                              Landé factor for refining
                                              the Bohr magneton. This
                                              was the birth of it.<br
                                                class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                              On the other hand I have
                                              shown that I can deduce
                                              the Bohr magneton as well
                                              as the Landé factor in a
                                              classical way if I use my
                                              particle model. And that
                                              is possible and was done
                                              on a pure classical way.
                                              For me this is a good
                                              example that we can do
                                              things better than by QM.
                                              In particular I try to
                                              have correct results
                                              without using any virtual
                                              objects.<br class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                              Back to your question: If
                                              we build a particle model
                                              on a classical basis then
                                              there is no place for a
                                              virtual image, and so I
                                              see the need for two
                                              sub-particles.<br class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                              Ciao, Albrecht<br class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                               
                                              <div
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                                                11.11.2015 um 17:27
                                                schrieb<span
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                                                          class="">Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch,
                                                          11. November
                                                          2015 um 11:54
                                                          Uhr<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <b class="">Von:</b> "Dr.
                                                          Albrecht
                                                          Giese"<span
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target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br class="">
                                                          <b class="">An:</b> <a
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                                                          <b class="">Betreff:</b> Re:
                                                          [General]
                                                          Reply of
                                                          comments from
                                                          what a model…</div>
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                                                          <div class="">Hi
                                                           Albrecht:</div>
                                                          <div class=""> </div>
                                                          <div class=""><font
                                                          class=""
                                                          color="#006600">You

                                                          said:  A model
                                                          with only one
                                                          particle is in
                                                          my view also
                                                          not possible
                                                          as it violates
                                                          the
                                                          conservation
                                                          of momentum. A
                                                          single object
                                                          can never
                                                          oscillate.</font></div>
                                                          <div class=""> </div>
                                                          <div class=""><font
                                                          class=""
                                                          color="#006600">I
                                                          ask:<span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><span
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                                                          class="">  Why
                                                          can't a single
                                                          particle
                                                          oscillate
                                                          against, or in
                                                          consort with,
                                                          its own
                                                          virtual image.
                                                          (Presuming
                                                          there is
                                                          charge complex
                                                          around---mirror
                                                          in 2d,
                                                          negative
                                                          sphere (I
                                                          think) in
                                                          3d)? </span></div>
                                                          <div class=""> </div>
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                                                          class="">ciao,
                                                           Al</span></div>
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